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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: mr goggomobile on Monday 09 December 13 23:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I am seeking any info on John Stewart and Isabella Edwards (my 4x great grandparents) and the start of my line in Lossie. A gravestone at Kineddar shows a John Stuart b1778 d 1848 and Isabella Edward near to my other relatives graves. Are these the same people? Can anyone provide family tree beyond this. My great grandparents Joseph Stewart and Christina Mitchell and family left for Sydney, Australia in 1926.
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ScotlandsPeople has a marriage for a John Stuart and Isobel Edward in 1798 in the parish of Drainie which includes Kineddar and Lossiemouth. They also have 2 John Stuarts born in Drainie, one in 1775 and one in 1778 plus an Isobel Edward born in 1769. The marriage entry should tell you if they both came from the parish and, occasionally, more detail on the family which may help determine if they are your family.
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Hi , welcome to RootsChat :)
Found this -
1841 Census - Lossiemouth , Drainie , Morayshire(all born Morayshire)
Jno Stewart 60 fisher
Isabella Stewart 60
Isabella Stewart 15
Janet Stewart 10
(FreeCen transcription)
ev
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Hi
Suggest you search the Libindx site as there is information about John Stewart there. The biographical details there state he was b c 1778 and was a fisherman and seaman who lived in Lossiemouth. It states he married Isabella Isobel Edward 21 June 1798 in Drainie and was the father of John Stewart. In the miscellaneous section it says that there are details of descendents in Lossie Fisher Folk part 1.
William
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Hello
Probably not quite what you are after, but maybe worthy of consideration…
The Royal High Stewart DNA group on www.familytreedna.com is currently looking for Stewart male participants who can trace their ancestors back to the UK and they are currently offering free/subsidised tests. Stewart DNA is fascinating and it would be well worth checking out.
Best wishes
Valerie
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PM re DNA if I can help further
Valerie
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Thanks for the input everyone. My great uncle always claimed we were decendants of Alexander Stewart (the Wolf of Badenoch), but never was anything known to back his claims, and others in the family thought him eccentric. He is now long gone as is any information as to why he thought this was part of the family tree. Thanks again all for the encouragement and I'll dig to find further generations and hopefully answer some questions.
Bruce.
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Hi
The Stewart DNA project would love you and your anecdotal tale of descent from Alexander Stewart! I've had my brother's DNA tested this year and the outcome is that we are probably descended from Alexander's father, Robert II of Scotland.
Valerie
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Hello Bruce, John Stewart and Isabella Edwards are my 4th Great Grandparents also. I live in Queensland Australia. My line is through their son John and his wife Janet, their son William and his wife Ann, their son William and his wife Isabella and their son George. George left Commerce Street, Lossiemouth and came to Australia in 1912 and married my grandmother Jean Gartshore Macdonald. Their only son Donald Stewart was my father. My information also is that John was born in 1778, died 29 May 1848 and is buried in Kinneddar Cemetery - possibly stone no. 423. Isabella Edwards married John on 21 Jun 1798. Nice to come across another relative - albeit very distant. Happy to share anything more I may find along the way.
Anne Keys (nee Stewart)
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Hi Anne, thanks for the message. Looking for a John Stuart (Stewart) and Isobel (Isabella) Edward (Edwards) earlier ancestors is a needle in a haystack in a field full of haystacks at the moment. Will let you know if I can find further. Very interested to know from which area they came from prior to Lossiemouth. The possiblity was Aberfeldy as both their birthplaces with John's father being a Charles Stuart, but as Charles isn't used in following generations as a name again I'm doubtful.
Bruce.
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Very interested to know from which area they came from prior to Lossiemouth. The possiblity was Aberfeldy as both their birthplaces with John's father being a Charles Stuart, but as Charles isn't used in following generations as a name again I'm doubtful.
If that census is correct, they were certainly not from Aberfeldy ;)
There are in fact only two Stewarts and two Stuarts in Drainie in 1841 who were not born in Moray.
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Thanks Forfarian, assuming the 1841 census is correct I can't see how they were from anywhere but the Moray area. family search shows Stuarts born in the Drainie parish as early as 1686 but as yet I can find no connection to these Stuarts as yet so the search goes on.
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Bruce I had an email saying there was a personal message from you but there is an error on the site and it says I have no personal messages
Anne
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Anne, have sent the pm again. Nothing too exciting just a contact email and some info.
Bruce
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hi bruce,
i'm from the john Stewart and Isabella Edwards line , if you haven't discovered it already try this site http://www.lossiefowk.co.uk/high.htm hope it helps :) it would be nice to hear if you've found anything about where they came from prior to lossie?:)
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Hi Vicky, thanks for saying hello. Have been onto the Lossiefowk website for a few years now and it is quite helpful. My line is through John and isabella's son William, his son John (Jock Willichan) and his son Joseph (my great grandfather). Still have nothing further than John and Isabella, however based on the Scottish naming principles, (how they named their children) I expect John parents to be John and Janet, and Isabella's parents to be William and Isabella. In the Stotfield fishing disaster on 25 December, 1806 a number of the Edward family were lost, among them a William Edward and his son, the widow was named Isabella.
Family search indicates that Robert, John and Alexander Stuart were born Drainie, 1686, 1687 and 1690 respectively however Lossiefowk recollections indicate no Stewart / Stuart prior to the arrival of James "press gang" Stewart just after the Stotfield tragedy of 1806. So still searching! Happy to share any info I can find.
Will send you a pm.
Bruce
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Hi all, just to fill you in on where I have got to, still searching for my ancestors path to Lossiemouth, but have a few more clues.
Recently had DNA tested and the outcome was we are descendants of the Ancient Stewarts, James the 5th high Steward of Scotland being the most closely matched individual. As James was the great grandfather of Alexander Stewart, The Earl of Buchan, the Wolf of Badenoch is now makes the family folklore quite accurate.
Assuming that this is correct, the majority of TWOB's descendants appear to have come through the Atholl area.
My closest match through DNA is a gentleman by the surname Robertson, with a Perthshire history. The Robertson surname originated in the Atholl area following the assasination of King James 1. Numerous marriages between Stewarts and Robertsons in the Atholl areas, so both families appear quite closely linked and extended families could mean a surname change.
A number of my other closest DNA matches have a Perthshire connection.
i can also locate a record of a birth of an Alexander Stewart in Drainie in 1690, parents being a John Stewart and Jean Robertson.
Also in Seatown, a Athole Place existed at least to 1881, yet no other streets seem to be named after distant regions, so some connection between the areas must exist. I can't seem to locate it on the maps now.
I have family information that a John Stewart (Stuart) was indeed born in Aberfeldy, (with a father, Charles) however I think he may be a few generations further back than my original John Stuart b 1778, perhaps the John Stewart married to Jean Robertson, ie married in Aberfeldy (or thereabouts) before 1690 and moved to Seatown / Lossiemouth. Just a perhaps.
All is speculation without some documentation to support it unfortunately.
Any ideas would be appreciated of course.
And if anyone else has a Atholl to Lossie family link, around this time, I'd be interested.
Bruce
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Anne
I believe we are related through our great grandfather William Stewart and I have read your details and also compared this with my cousins research which shows the family line leading to you in Australia. My cousins are Robert MacDonald and his sister Sheila Webster.
I have tried in the past to trace the Austrian side of our family and had an address but was unable to further the search.
It would be great to hear from you and I am happy to photograph any family sites and send as I stay 30 miles from Lossiemouth.
Ronnie MacDonald
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Ronnie, I am so excited to have heard from you. I am in fairly constant touch with Sheila and Bob, after Bob contacted my brother Robert a few years ago - from an initial link made years before between Robert and Sheila's daughter Katy. Would love to chat more - and share photos/documents. I will private message you my email address etc.
Your Aussie cousin,
Anne Keys nee Stewart
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Thank you and will await your E.mail address.
I have photos of Willam and Isabella as well as a painting of him with his boat. Also he received an award for saving fisherman's lives off of Lossiemouth and I have the scroll mounted on our wall.
We also photographed his father's grave in Lossiemouth but require do this again. I have many of the death and birth certificates including uncle Robert who was in America and appears to have had a dentist practise according to the certificate.
It would be good to fill information about these people to understand more about their lives.
I will tell Sheila we have contacted each other.
Ronnie MacDonald
Ronnie MacDonald
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Ronnie thats marvellous to know. We didnt even know our granddad George - well neither did dad- but to hear this about Gr Granddad William is terrific. I have told my brothers you have made contact. Donald loves Scotch whiskey and Bob had told me you work inthe industry. You will have to tell me which one or ones you work with. Hope you got my personal mesage with email addresses
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Recently had DNA tested and the outcome was we are descendants of the Ancient Stewarts, James the 5th high Steward of Scotland being the most closely matched individual. As James was the great grandfather of Alexander Stewart, The Earl of Buchan, the Wolf of Badenoch is now makes the family folklore quite accurate.
Assuming that this is correct, the majority of TWOB's descendants appear to have come through the Atholl area.
Interesting stuff. But don't forget that TWoB had a stronghold at Lochindorb, between Forres and Grantown, and that he was notorious for attacking, pillaging and destroying things, including churches in Elgin and Forres. Maybe there was a bit of rape involved too while he was about it?
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My grandfather's sister Jane Crockett married George( Dogger) Stewart in 1902 I think he was a son of Peter Stewart. I think this is the same line of Stewarts. I remember visiting them at Shamrock, in Lossiemouth when I was a child
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Hi i saw christina mitchell is my 2nd great aunt. Her sister catherine is my line. My mum has met some of your family. In
Australia. I think my grandmother travelled from lossiemouth to Australia with them when her mother died....Cathypod....
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Hi i saw christina mitchell is my 2nd great aunt. Her sister catherine is my line. My mum has met some of your family. In
Australia. I think my grandmother travelled from lossiemouth to Australia with them when her mother died....Cathypod....
Cathy I have recently discovered that when my grandmother took my father to Scotland from Australia when he was 5 - an Isabella Stewart was on the same boat also going to Lossiemouth. I thought it odd at the time but Isabella was from Brisbane. However recently I found the same Isabella Stewart coming back on the same boat with my grandmother and father and have found they were connected through both her husband, John Stewart, and her family, Smith. When did your grandmother travel from Lossie to Australia?
Anne Stewart