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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: moirclan on Thursday 02 January 14 15:54 GMT (UK)
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i was wondering if any one can help me as ive been researching for months and have got no where ,
my mother inlaw maureen clarke 1939 died 1971 in perth australia . born in namtu burma , with twin colleen , sister dagmar , adrian and louline mother was alexia thurston born around 1915 and her father was a station master in burma i cant find any records for her birth in the uk so im thinking she was born in burma and cant find any info .
she married a capt james arthur clarke who was in the burma intelligence corps they managed to get out of burma into india around 1942 i think ,
, i found a obit in the bangalore times 10th april 1945 about her death naming her husband , her brother roland , and her mother [ no name ] and thats all the info i have been able to find ,
her children were all very young when she died and when they got to australia their father remarried and the past wasnt spoken about ,
i cant even seem to find any info about their father capt james arthur clarke except he died in bunbury western australia some where in the late sixties early seventies .
any help would be appreciated as i am completely at a loss what to do
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
Possibly her brother Roland :-\
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=7915360
She married James Arthur Clarke under the name Lexie Undine Thurston in 1934.
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000048479
Mo
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hi and my welcome to rootschat .
found this passenger record for a james Clarke , departure date 25 nov 1919 destination Bombay , his age 22 occupation captain [ he,s travelling with 5 other officers and some wives ] ship name gurna .
also tried to find a birth for Alexia Thurston but so far nothing in overseas births for definite but there is this one for a female Thurston born fyzabad 1922 page 327 in gro army births 1881 - 1965 .
have you anymore detail on alexias parents names occ and such .
regards
trevor
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thankyou all so much lexie undine thurston was her name.
in the death obit i found her under alexia , , i know her brother roland richard thurston died in 1981 in perth australia ,
i have no idea of her parents names only that her father was a station master , i beleive her mother had family [ sisters ] who died in the hands of the japanese , but again its only rumours .
again i cant thank you enough, ive written to the anglo burmese society ,ive written to the indian records office etc etc and found nothing , so your info is greatly appreciated
reagrds Helen
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i have found out that lexies mother was callled myrtle thurston she got out of burma with her daughter lexie and son in law james son roland and the 5 female grandchildren , they went bangalore , and then on to western australia with out lexie who died 10th april 1945
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Hi,heres another shipping record,which may be your guy.Do you know which part of UK he came from,see the India Office marriage info gives his fathers name as Alfred.
Arthur James Clarke age 25, Draughtsman,London to Bombay 21 Oct 1921.ship Macedonia,no marital status,travelling alone.Previously residing Scotland.for permanent residence India
Address,82,Clifton Rd Darlington.
The transcription shows another female Clarke with him,but in fact the image shows her as not with him at all.Misleading unless image checked.
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thank you for looking for me , but mine is called james arthur clarke , i know he went into the forces young , i dont know where he was born other than the uk , some one mentioned surry or suffolk but i think its guess work on their part , some one posted about the gurna in 1919 to bombay ive rang one of his daughters [ they are getting on in age now ] and she says that sounds familiar ,
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When James Arthur Clarke married Lexie he was in the 1st Battalion The Buffs which is the Royal East Kent regiment. Not that it helps much.
Mo
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Yes Mo.the India Office record gives James Arthur Clarke as a Pte,,,,,,which is an Army Private.
The fact that christian names are not in the correct format can happen ie my shipping record,,,especially as his marriage was an Indian overseas record.and not a British Army one.
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1911 Census.This may be him,a possible.
James Arthur Clarke age 12 b Todmorden Yorks ,part time teacher in a school,living with his family.
1901 James Arthur age 2 b Todmorden,parents Henry Clarke iron turner b Bradford,mother Clara.b Kidderminster.with other children.
Obviously articulate,James went to India circa age 22 in 1919.
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i have seen this tree on ancestry that may match part of mine , i have sent two emails to the owner of the tree but they havnt answered ,
i wondered what your opinion of it would be im doing my best to check it but i find i get no where with the indian records .
lexie [ alexia had two brothers one being dudley [ i know nothing about him and was told he may have died as a child ]
on the tree dudley thurston appears and has birth date 3rd march no year and death due to beating in prisoner of war camp by japanese in burma ,the boxes on the tree show the right amount of siblings and the correct sex but are private .
the mother is called myrtle ann hall and was born on 13th aug , no year and died in northcliffe in west australia now i know lexie and the boys mother was called myrtle thurston and died in northcliffe , its a small place , coincidence ??? the husband is private so there is nothing to help me there , but i do know he didnt go to bangalore in 1942 and on to australia in 1947.
myrtles mother is named as ida louisa grealy born in 1876 and married john richard hall in 1894 at st johns church vellore madas [ madras?]she died of strangulation of the bowel [ poor woman {
john richard hall her husband was born and baptised in trinity church banglaore in 1868.
johns father was called richard hall he was born in london and married to annie murphy at st johns church in bangalore in 1864 he died in 1871
now myrtle had brothers and sisters all born in burma and they emigrated to perth WA how many myrtle thurstons [ was hall ] could be in northcliffe as its a small place with a son called dudley and from burma ??
any opinions on this ? how would i start to check on this info , would lexie and myrtle be anglo bumese do you think ?
thanks helen
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This would appear to be Myrtles marriage to George Richard Thurston:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGJJ-PKK
Mo
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You may already have this, but I will post it anyway. Myrtle Ann Thurston died 27th April, 1966 aged 72 and was buried on the 29th. at Manjimup Old Cemetery. She was Catholic which may explain why there are so little records online for the family.
Mo
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Found this GRO British Army marriage ref,
Mary Thurston married a Robert Law in 1948 Rangoon Burma,page [18]23.
May be of help to you.I appreciate this is recent info as far as Rootschat is concerned,but in this case you are working in the dark,and need to look at all avenues.
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thanks for the help , the names i found on the other tree i traced back , [ its easier checking names than finding them in the first place lol] i went back to annie murphy b 1841 who married richard hall b 1838 and on the other side jane mcclay born1811 who married charles bennett [marriage: 18 July 1825 Poonamallee, Madras, India ] so really happy with that, this is all on lexie and myrtles side ,
lexies hubby james arthur clarke capt born in 1906 i found their marriage , and his father was called alfred , but im stuck there ,
i was wondering though dudley thurston [ lexies brother myrtles son ] according to the other tree i found died in a japanese camp beaten to death , i cant find any info to back this up and they havnt answered my request for where they got their info , have you got any ideas what i could do to find out if this is correct or not ?
thanks again for spending the time to help me , its appreciated
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ive done really well with your help , there is a couple of things i could do with some extra help . lexie undina thurston born in 1915 to george richard thurston and myrtle annie hall i cant find lexies [alexia ] birth any where , her parents married 7th june 1911 at toungoo bengal india , lexie married james arthur clarke 14th nov 1934 at maymyo bengal , she died 10th april 1945 at bangalore [ found this in an obit in a newspaper , but i cant actually find the birth or death records ,
and im looking for george richard thurston her father he was born in 1877 and i dont know if it was bengal burma he married as above 1911 in toungoo and he was a rail way guard he died 4th july 1937 of a heart attack [found these details at the anglo burmese library , any ideas how to try and find more info ?
thanks helen
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Hi, I have been searching for weeks for the maiden name of my ggg grandmother Jane McClay who was a widow when she married my ggg grandfather Charles Bennett. Can you help at all?
Also looking for Nazeer Bee Mafsul who was concubine of Abraham Goultchman, they had a son Samuel in 1832.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Norma-Lynne Bennett
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Another topic looking for Jane McClay-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782349.msg6368162#msg6368162
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Name
Charles Bennett
Gender
Male
Marriage Date
18 Jul 1825
Marriage Place
Poonamallee, Madras, India
Spouse
Jane Mcclay
FHL Film Number
521838
Household Members
Name
Age
Jane Mcclay
Charles Bennett
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Spouse & Children
Charles Bennett
1793–1845
Amelia Bennett 1826–
John Bennett 1829–
Charles Bennett 1830–
Thomas William Bennett 1831–
Agnes Bennett 1839–1861
Mary Anne Bennett 1842–1866
Elizabeth Charity Bennett 1844–1930
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India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
View Record
Name
Jane Bennett
Gender
Female
Marital Status
Widowed
Age
45
Birth Date
1811
Death Date
14 Jun 1856
Burial Date
15 Jun 1856
Burial Place
Madras, Madras, India
Spouse
Charles Bennett
FHL Film Number
463298
Household Members
Name
Age
Charles Bennett
Jane Bennett
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Jane McCloy: Jane was the widow of Private McCloy (died in Australia) of HM 46th Foot who was in the same regiment as Charles (stationed in Van Diemens Land, and New South Wales in early 19
that's about all the info I have on Charles and jane I thought I would pass it on xC).
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Thank you so much for going to so much trouble, I knew most of this but what I really needed to know is her maiden name which is impossible to find as we don't know the Christian name of the Private McCloy who died. I did check and there was a Stephen and William McCoy with Charles in the 46th of foot but none of them fit the bill. Is there any way to find out his name or her maiden name?
Thank you again.
Norma-Lynne
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I'm sorry I looked for ages a few years ago and could not find anything so my trail stopped there , if I happen to find any more info ill let you know xx
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Thank you, I have become quite obsessed! I will also let you know as I am not giving up yet. Have a good week-end.
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Hi, I am throwing myself into this research too and wondered you guys had turned up anything. After cross-referencing ancestry, fibis, and family search I ended up wanting to delete everying before the marriage of CHarles John Bennett and Anna Jordan, because working backwards that was my last best known good configuration - lol.
There are a couple questions. If Jane McCay was born in 1811 and was already a widow when she married John Bennet in 1825 she would have been 14 and already widowed. There is another Jane and John Bennet wedding listed too which had me confused. I think in the second case the Jane was born in England. I see a death for one Charles in India and another later in Scotland.
I am at w i l d l o r at g m a i l dot com if either of you want to talk off the web stream. Also am online via my D'Fini tree (Millicent Clarissa Bennet (daughter of Charles John Bennett and Ellen Grace Goultchman Clarke was my mom's grandmother)) She married into the Finch family.
Name: Charles Bennett
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 Jul 1825
Marriage Place: Poonamallee, Madras, India
Spouse: Jane Mcclay
Her death record shows 1811 as approx birth year.
The second marriage I was confused by is:
NAME: Charles Bennett
GENDER: Male
MARRIAGE DATE: 31 May 1825
MARRIAGE PLACE: Calcutta, Bengal, India
SPOUSE: Jane Lumsdeine Or Lumsdaine
FHL FILM NUMBER: 498955
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS
NAME
Charles Bennett
Jane Lumsdeine Or Lumsdaine
marriages two months apart both Charles's and Jane's
Interestingly Jane had a sister Francis and both married Bennetts about four years apart (probably brothers, both in Calcutta - John and Charles Bennett). Their birth years make more sense but I don't have enough family history to know which Jane and Bennett combo are "my"pair.
I think it is the Madras Charles and Jane McClay - so I am probably in the same lane as you are Normalynne. I'll keep plugging away