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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Lori Brady on Saturday 11 January 14 22:13 GMT (UK)
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Hey all,
Does anyone have any family information on Andrew Gorman b. 1866 whom married a Catherine Brannan. They had a daughter Catherine Gorman whom married into the Coyle family (Particularly James Coyle).
Unique as Andrew Gorman's mother is Elizabeth Brady (Braidy/Bready) my Great- Grand Aunt married a WILLIAM GORMAN IN LANARKSHIRE( AIRDRIE?) and James Coyle is a cousin on my Gran Coyle's side ( Agnes nee Coyle Vallely) WHOM LIVED IN Bathgate WEST LOTHIAN.
I have found an Andrew Gorman whom died in 1915 WWI in Gallipoli, Canakkale, Turkey and I am wondering if this is the same Andrew.
Any assistance appreciated,
Lorianne
Cheers from Canada
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Hi Lorraine
CWGC:
http://www.cwgc.org
Andrew GORMAN
Royal Scots Fusiliers, 1st/4th Bn.
Private #6128
KIA: 12 July 1915
Another database (but it doesn't state the source of the info) adds this soldier was:
Born Irvine, Ayrshire
There was an Andrew GORMAN born abt 1885 Irvine, who in 1901 was age 16 and a Brickwork Labourer living at 27 Glasgow Vennel in Irvine with his parents, James & Mary GORMAN, plus younger brothers James 14, David 10, Daniel 7
So if the man who died is proved to be the same fellow on the 1901 - does that mean you're looking for what became of your Andrew?
Cheers
AMBLY
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I have Andrew Gorman birth abt 1886 in Longrigg. His father William was born Campsie, Dunbartonshire abt 1860 died abt.1920. Elizabeth Brady (Bready) b. 1864-1924. They married
1882 New Monkland Parish, Lanarkshire Co., Scotland.
I know he married Catherine Brannan 1889-1980.
If he did was not killed in Greece WWI on July 12 1915- where did he go??? Or when did he die???
Cheers,
Lorianne
Canada
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Does anyone have any family information on Andrew Gorman b. 1866
Ahhh.... I do believe, the year of birth 1866 is a typo and you meant 1886? ;)
Found on Family Search:
Elizabeth GORMAN born 22 Dec 1890, Airdrie
Parents: Elizabeth Brady GORMAN and William GORMAN
CENSUS 1891: 41 Airdriehill Sq, New Monkland, Lamarkshire (in the Airdrie district)
Ref: 651/1, ED 53, HS 41
Head: William GORMAN 29, Ironstone Miner, b Campsie, Stirlingshire
Wife: Elizabeth GORMAN 29, b New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Dau: Catherine GORMAN 7, b New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Son: Andrew GORMAN 5, b New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Dau: Ann GORMAN 3, b New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Dau: Elizabeth GORMAN 3 mths. b New Monkland, Lanarkshire
Boarder: Michael ROBINSON 32, Coal Miner, b Ireland
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Lorraine,
When and where was the last definite 'sighting' you have of your Andrew?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Lorraine
From the Scotland's People Index searches:
A Catherine GORMAN other surname BRANNAN age 68, died 1957, Registered New Monkland
An Andrew GORMAN age 51, died 1938, Lanarkshire
It's your Andrew who died 1938 - registered in Dalziel. I had some credits left over on SP, they'd been there a while getting stale ;D so had a look at the cert for you!
PM me, with your email addy and I'll send it
He died in hospital, but their usual address was 46 Airdriehill Square, Whiterigg - overall, he didn't stray far from the where he was born (and family at 41 Airdriehill in 1891!)
Cheers
AMBLY
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I was raised in this area and know the families concerned, Gorman, Brady, Brannan.
Oddly enough Airdriehill Square is not in Airdrie, Airdriehill Sq is actually the village of Whiterigg.
William Gorman Jnr. was in my class at Whiterigg school, his father William Gorman Snr. worked beside my father. I have a photo of Airdriehill Sq. a photo of the young men of the Sq. to include Gorman & Brannan in the 1930s plus a photo of the Tenants list of the Sq. including 3 Gorman families. A photo of Airdriehill Shamrock Football team who won the Scottish Juvenile Cup in 1912.
with Willie Gorman playing that day.
The Square and all of Whiterigg was demolished and all tenants moved to the nearby village of Plains where descendants still live today.
If this is of interest I will scan them and send tomorrow.
James.
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Would love a copy of those pictures james
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Would love a copy of those pictures james
Give me a little time to scan, I'm going Motor Racing this weekend.
James.
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Its a year ago Jim, but I promise to do it tomorrow.
JK.
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CENSUS 1891: 41 Airdriehill Sq, New Monkland, Lamarkshire (in the Airdrie district) Ref: 651/1, ED 53, HS 41
Just a wee bit of interpretation from the quoted transcript, which has actually scrambled the information.
The county is the largest unit. This is Lanarkshire, or the County of Lanark. (In Scotland we don't use 'Lanarkshire Co' or 'Co Lanarkshire')
Then comes the parish. In this case the parish of New Monkland.
Then comes the town, in this case Airdrie.
So the full address of this household would be 41 Airdriehill Square, Airdrie, New Monkland, Lanarkshire, and not the other way about as implied by the transcription.
651 is the number assigned to the parish of New Monkland. In some record sets New Monkland is subdivided into the burgh (not district) of Airdrie (651/1) and the landward (rural) areas that make up the rest of the parish (651/2).
53 is the number of the enumeration district (ED) within the parish of New Monkland.
41 is the Household Schedule number. This means that it is the 41st house listed in ED53 in 1891. It is not the street number of the house.
If I were you I would look at the original of this entry on the SP web site to make sure that the house number genuinely is listed as No 41 as well as the household schedule being 41.
The SP index contains the parish number, ED number and page. It does not list the household schedule number.
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I'm sure everything you say may be relevant, but in the case of Airdriehill Square I used to pass the place every day going to school and have a printed record of the Houses & Tenants dated 1936.
Front Row is numbered from 1 to 16, Top Row is numbered from 17 to 26, Back Row is numbered from 27 to 39 and Bottom Row is numbered from 40 to 49. There are Gorman families listed as occupying numbers.....20 - 28 - 46. The Brady Families were in numbers 25 and 37.
James Kerr.
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Hi Lori,
I have only just discovered this site so I think I am a bit late to the conversation The Andrew Gorman you are trying to find out sbout is my great grandfather on my maternal grandmother's side.
My maternal grandfather was the James Coyle you mention.
The family were indeed from Whiterigg near Airdrie. I believe Andrew was a coal miner and that the family originally came from Ireland. Sadly my mum died so it is hard to find out more, but her sister, Andrew's grandaughter, is still alive and lives in Spain. If there is anything else I can help you with just ask.
Angela
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Thanks for responding Angela,
I think your Aunt in Spain maybe Margret Coyle. She is my Mom's cousin. Her granny Margaret Robertson Coyle was my Great- Granny Helen nee Robertson Coyle Murdoch's sister and my Mom Agnes Vallely nee Brady's Grandmother and her (Mother's Agnes Coyle Valley) Mom. I have been in contact with Margaret for a few years now online. She has been very helpful with family information. The Gorman connection is interesting as my Dad's Great Aunt Elizabeth Brady married William Gorman and they had a son Andrew whom married Catherine Brannan. Their daughter Catherine Gorman married James Coyle whom died in 1977. So indirectly my dad is connected to the Coyle's. I have been trying to figure out if there are any old photo's of the senior members or a marriage certificate with the dates on it for the older Gorman/Brady side. I have been trying to get a lot of information as of late as senior family members are passing on or have been ill and cannot help with the genealogy now. If you can help with any thing can you respond back. :) I can give you some back ground to Elizabeth Brady's family if you don't have it. Cheers, Lorraine In Canada x