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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Emsworthy on Sunday 12 January 14 13:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
After some research recently fell into place, I have gathered that
Richard Blake (born 1813, Lambeth) married Elizabeth Egan (born c.1815, Ireland) on 18/11/1838 at St Mark's, Kennington.
Elizabeth died Q Dec 1839 in Lambeth.
I have found baptism records for some children belonging to Richard and Elizabeth Blake:
Elizabeth (born 6th December 1839)
Charles William
Richard Thomas
Jane
all baptised on 19th January 1840. There is no mention of mother being deceased, but the family were living at 9 Salutation Place, Lambeth. On the 1841 census, Richard Blake is listed as living with the Egan family in Salutation Place, but there are no Blake children there. (HO107/1060/2)
I'm somewhat confused!! Can anyone help please?!
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Burial at Lambeth St John
23 August 1840
Elizabeth Blake aged 1 Salutation Place
I can't see Richard or Charles there, however. Have you found them in a later census?
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Perhaps the children were cared for by maternal grandparents back in Ireland?
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I was about to say the same as Lizdb - the chances are that as the children were so young they were taken in by family or friends and may be listed on the census under that family's name rather than their own. They may be some where as nurse children as well.
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Thanks all. I've had a little look around on the census records from time to time...still looking! Richard was living with his 'in-laws' in 1841, so if the children were sent to Ireland, they would have gone to someone outside the direct family. Typical, eh?! However, I'm still living in hope that they remained in England...or that I can find out what happened to them.
Thank you Galium! This is a new discovery for me. I'd known that Richard was a widow when he married my 3xGt Grandmother, but it is only recently that I've discovered who his first wife was. The children were only discovered today - I had assumed (tut, tut!) that they hadn't had children as there were none living with Richard in 1841.
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There are possibles for Jane in the 1851 census 14 yr Serv. & 1861 24 Helper St.Guys Hospital?
Jennifer
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Great, Jennifer, thank you! :)
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These guys are still confusing me...if anyone could shed any further light on them, I'd be most grateful!
Regards,
Emma ;)
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Hi all,
Am bumping this one up again. Still not really any the wiser! :-\
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Ooo kkk, colour me thick, but all these children are confusing me too.
Richard and Elizabeth marry in November 1838, and daughter Elizabeth is born December 1839, at which point mother Elizabeth dies, yes? Then, in 1840, little Elizabeth plus three others are all baptised. Who is the mother of the other three? How old are they? Where did you find their baptismal entries and have you seen the actual page or just a transcript?
Four possibilities:
1) Richard Sr has been married before (possibly to an Elizabeth?)
2) Elizabeth has been married before (possibly in Ireland) and the other three are hers but not his, just taking their "new" father's name for the sake of simplicity/ whatever.
3) He has remarried (to another Elizabeth?), and the other three are hers but not his, surname change as above.
4) The other three were born before the marriage.
Have you got a copy of the marriage certificate, and what does that tell us? What about Little Elizabeth's birth and certificates? They could be illuminating too.
Elizabeth dies aged 27, so 2) and 4) are both a possibility.
Regarding the other three children in 1841, they could be with his parents or siblings perhaps? With their birth father's family? With some other Egans somewhere? If they aren't biologically his they may no longer even be calling themselves Blake. Not to mention them possibly being parked somewhere as "nurse" children as suggested, or being in an orphanage of some sort.
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply...yes to all of the above!
The baptisms are taken from the original image.
(https://scontent.flhr3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28795107_10156160099993810_9168871255510614016_n.jpg?oh=039d698f64995d92bc2c8fadde97feae&oe=5B4A7A42)
I've not got the marriage certificate for Richard Blake and Elizabeth Egan, but the date is from a transcription.
The only record of any of the children I have is from the baptism record above. Other than the reference to Jane Blake earlier, working at Guy's Hospital in 1861, I can't trace any of the listed children.
It is a distinct mystery and is a long standing brick wall!
Regards,
Emma
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Does Richard remarry, online tree has him marrying Martha Tungate?
Jennifer
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Yes, he does, which is where I spring from!
He and Martha were married on 12th January 1845 at St Mary Lambeth. He is marked down as widow.
They had the following children:
Richard William 1847
Elizabeth Cumber 1849
Sarah 1851
Martha Ann 1853
Robert James 1856
George Thomas 1858
William Henry 1860
Frances 1862-1862
Benjamin William 1864-1864
William Benjamin 1868
I don't hold out much hope for anyone called William. Also, my 2xGt Grandfather was Richard William Blake b.1847, so would assume that Richard Thomas on the 1840 baptisms passed away sometime before then. ???
It's all a very tangled web!