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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: lorrainec on Friday 07 March 14 00:15 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone.
I am trying another angle regarding John Wallace.
I know for sure he died March 1942 in Govan.
What I don't know is where he is buried.
The last place of residence was Graham Street, Govan.
Can anyone help?
Thanks so much
Lorraine
Canada
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Could be the Southern Necropolis Lorraine, a couple of sites worth trying,
http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/index.htm
http://scottish-monumental-inscriptions.com/
Skoosh.
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The two main cemeteries for the area are
1) Craigton - (also the site of the crematorium) - in Berryknowes Road
2) Cardonald
although there are others nearby including the Southern Necropolis - If he was RC he might have gone elsewhere to a purely RC cemetery
Just as an aside - Graham Street Govan was renamed Garmouth Street sometime in the 1920's/30's
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Thank you!
I will do a bit of searching in all the spots you both mentioned!
Cheers
Lorraine
Canada
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Hello everyone!
I have managed to find out that John Wallace owned a lair at Craigton. His first wife, and second wife and daughter are all listed as buried there .... but he is NOT!!
Would anyone be able to check out if there is a headstone at this cemetery ? His is Lair Q362.
I have checked Lambhill and Cardonald but he's not listed there either ... argh!!
Any help is more than welcome!
Regards
Lorraine
Canada
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Most likely cremated! He's unlikely to be buried in a different cemetery.
Skoosh.
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Wouldn't his remains have been buried with the rest of his family? Especially as he owned a lair?
Regards
Lorraine
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Lorraine, there is a charge for putting ashes in a grave but sensible folks just scatter them on the grave themselves, doubtless there will be a bylaw to prevent this but, tough! ;D
Skoosh.
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What years did those who are in the lair die?
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Jane Sophia died in 1908, Janet died in 1929 and Harriet died in 1953
John himself died in 1942.
Would the records at the cemetery have missed John?
Anyone able to visit and take a peek?
Regards
Lorraine
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Where was the place of death for John?
There would have been room in the lair for him when he died
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yes, lots of room plus he is/was the lair owner.
The cemetery is Craigton in Govan.
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Where did he actually die?
What was the cause of death?
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There might be a newspaper funeral notice giving details.
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He died at home at Garmouth Street, Govan of pneumonia.
Its just odd to me that he is not listed yet his daughter died after him and was buried in the same lair and she is listed!
Is there a way I can see the lair registrations or paperwork? I am in Canada so if I need to visit, I will need to start saving my pennies!
Would a kind person be able to take a pic of the lair or what happens to be there? It is lair Q362
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;D
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Revisiting this again.
Can anyone help?
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Two thoughts .
1. He died and was buried (or cremated) in 1942 - A lot of things like records, memorial inscriptions etc. were not done during the War (my grandfather (d. 1943) is missing from his stone because of this). After the War no-one got around to it.
2. You could try a photo request on FINDAGRAVE - there are Wallaces in Craigton on their database, but not your forenames. A photo request may give you the inscription.
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Burial of Jane Sophia Wallace at Craigton, 22.2.1908.
Age 30
Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-F3ZJ-NK9T?i=760
Is in Q362
Proprietor John Wallace, 39 Elderpark Street
No certificate number, just a "P"
Without a cert number, how to find lair details? Any suggestions?
For a new grave in Feb 1908 it might have otherwise been about here in the register, as with Sarah Webster the proprietor above
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS54-39M5-2
Interments March '42 here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLH-BSS2-W?i=478
Can't find Harriet in 1953 interments.
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Great information, thank you!
Wonder what the "P" signifies and also what the different classes of burial? Jane has an "A" class.
Wonder still, where John is!! Would a cremation be noted somewhere else, in case he was cremated and not buried?
You help is always appreciated!
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Hi
Have now got the certificate number from the burial of Janet M Wallace in 1929
That was on 5 June, and she was 51 years old
Images here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-J3D4-7N1C?i=429&cat=1305975
So the certificate number is 17118
And we can find the lair details for that cert number in the register mentioned earlier.
Here it is!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS54-39MY-3?i=305
John Wallace was the owner
There are three burials noted
Jane S Wallace, Janet M Wallace, and Harriet J Paterick in 1958
Harriet's burial here, down towards the bottom, another two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS54-M3YD-Y?i=251&cat=1305975
So it appears that John is not in Q362? Sorry about that. Yes, I guess he might have been cremated somewhere perhaps, but we really need a Glasgow expert.
John
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WOW!!
This is fabulous - THANK YOU so much!
Lorraine
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Craigton is a Crematorium as well as a Cemetery, so he may well have been cremated there although I would have thought that if the remains were buried, that would have also been noted in the records. In Woodside Cemetery at Woodside Crematorium in Paisley, their historical records state whether cremated remains are buried.
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Just another mystery to solve about John Wallace!