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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Pat on Saturday 17 May 14 05:46 BST (UK)
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Charles James Grocock married Mary Ann Hall 14 May 1863 in Kirton, Lincs. Also John Hall married Eliza Grocock 26 Feb 1866 In Moulton, Lincs.
Both marriages state Grocock father as James Grocock also both Hall's have a father Thomas Hall. Unfortunately neither of these marriage show any witnesses which adds to the difficulty of knowing if I have the right Hall family which is my main interest.
My problem is I have been unable to find anything further on both these couples. No census after the marriages. I did find what may have been the right Charles Grocock boarding with a family in 1861. and also possibly Eliza boarding with another family in 1861.
I really need to find them at home with their father before their marriages to confirm I have the right people.
Any help with finding these couples after their marriages would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
Pat.
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Could you please give the full details from the marriage certificates.
Rosie
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MARRIAGES,
St Andrew, Moulton, with Father as JAMES Grocock;
MARY Grocock to Stephen WRIGHT, 13 Sept 1863
JOSEPH Grocock age 25 (Fathers Occp Publican) to Anne Maria HOLMAN, 14 Oct 1873
+ ELIZA Grocock to John HALL that you have.
(Source FreeREG)
1861 Census Josephs Father James is born c 1811 Silk Wikarty, Lincolnshire (sic) down as GROWCOCK. Mother Ann.
Children are;
Mary 1838
Catherine 1844
James 1846
Joseph 1848
Eliza 1849
Geo 1854
Henry 1856
Stephen 1859
I cant find the Family in 1851 but in 1841 they only have 3 Children;
James Grocock 30
Ann Grocock 25
Betsey Grocock 5
Mary Grocock 3
William Grocock 1
James GROCOCK of Silk Willoughby married Anne *ALKENCE of Askaby Parish, 15 May 1834, St Andrew, Asgarby by Sleaford
Witnesses, William and Marianne Taylor
(FreeREG)
As I cant find the 1851 Census it is hard to say if Joseph is a Brother of the Mary Ann and Charles Joseph Grocock you seek.
They are very elusive.
I cant find Stephen Wright with a Wife Mary in 1871 Census either.
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I Rosie,
This information comes from the Kirton parish register, not a certificate.
14 May 1863 Charles Grocock (21) labourer Kirton/Skeldyke - Father James - labourer
to Mary Ann Hall (24) Kirton/Skeldyke - Father Thomas - Fisherman
I have not recorded any witnesses. I did it too long ago to remember if there were witnesses and I couldn't read them or if there were none recorded. For some unknown reason I haven't detailed the problem.
The marriage of John Hall and Eliza Grocock was on free REG. Same fathers as the above previous marriage.
Cheers,
Pat
Could you please give the full details from the marriage certificates.
Rosie
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Hi Trish, Thank you for your help.
You are quite right about the family being very elusive. They sound very much like my Hall family but I really need to see a census to see where they were born.
Surely they couldn't have all died before the 1871 census, and I don't think it's likely both couples have had their names misspelt on every census.
Thank you once again,
Pat
MARRIAGES,
St Andrew, Moulton, with Father as JAMES Grocock;
MARY Grocock to Stephen WRIGHT, 13 Sept 1863
JOSEPH Grocock age 25 (Fathers Occp Publican) to Anne Maria HOLMAN, 14 Oct 1873
+ ELIZA Grocock to John HALL that you have.
(Source FreeREG)
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All the Children are born Swineshead except Stephen who is born Moulton.
Ann c 1814 Anwick, James c 1811 Silk Willoughby
RG9/2325/37/22
They all disappear also after 1861.
James prob Death Reg, March 1871, Spalding age 60
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Thats them, Eliza WALL (Hall) is with Mother Ann in 1871.
Back soon will type up, or do you have that?.
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1871 Census
Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire
RG10/3318/88/2
Ann GROCOCK, 54, Head, Widow, Ag Lab, born Anwick
Henry, 15, Son, Ag Lab,born Holbeach
Stephen, 18, ((image is 12),Son, Ag Lab, born Pinchbeck
Eliza WALL (image is Hall), 22, Widow, Ag Lab, born Holbeach
Annie D Grocock, 4mths (image is 4ys I think), Grand/Daug born Moulton
I think Annie should be Hall as she is dittoed from below Eliza but transcribed as Grocock
There is a Death Reg June 1866 Spalding for a John Hall age 22 and a Birth Reg June 1866 for a Annie Hall.
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You've been a great help Trish, thank you so much. This entry certainly adds up to me. I don't know how I can really prove it was the right John Hall though.
Hopefully I can somehow find Charles Grocock on a census with Mary Ann Hall and at least show she belongs to my Hall's.
Thanks to you it appears I have solved one half of my problem.
Cheers,Pat
1871 Census
Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire
RG10/3318/88/2
Ann GROCOCK, 54, Head, Widow, Ag Lab, born Anwick
Henry, 15, Son, Ag Lab,born Holbeach
Stephen, 18, ((image is 12),Son, Ag Lab, born Pinchbeck
Eliza WALL (image is Hall), 22, Widow, Ag Lab, born Holbeach
Annie D Grocock, 4mths (image is 4ys I think), Grand/Daug born Moulton
I think Annie should be Hall as she is dittoed from below Eliza but transcribed as Grocock
There is a Death Reg June 1866 Spalding for a John Hall age 22 and a Birth Reg June 1866 for a Annie Hall.
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You've been a great help Trish, thank you so much. This entry certainly adds up to me. I don't know how I can really prove it was the right John Hall though.
Hopefully I can somehow find Charles Grocock on a census with Mary Ann Hall and at least show she belongs to my Hall's.
Thanks to you it appears I have solved one half of my problem.
Cheers,Pat
1871 Census
Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire
RG10/3318/88/2
Ann GROCOCK, 54, Head, Widow, Ag Lab, born Anwick
Henry, 15, Son, Ag Lab,born Holbeach
Stephen, 18, ((image is 12),Son, Ag Lab, born Pinchbeck
Eliza WALL (image is Hall), 22, Widow, Ag Lab, born Holbeach
Annie D Grocock, 4mths (image is 4ys I think), Grand/Daug born Moulton
I think Annie should be Hall as she is dittoed from below Eliza but transcribed as Grocock
There is a Death Reg June 1866 Spalding for a John Hall age 22 and a Birth Reg June 1866 for a Annie Hall.
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Your welcome.
MMm, interesting, maybe just a coincidence but Anc has a Ann GROCOCK age 80, birth c 1815 Lincolnshire, dying in Sydney Australia 1895.
Coroners Report has that she died from injuries received after falling off a balony.
OOPS not her though has NSW BMD has her Father as William
I think this is Ann who married James Grocock;
Ann FAULKNER Christened 17 November 1814, Anwick, Lincoln, Mother ELIZABETH Faulkner
Eliza married George DIGBY;
1881 Census
George Digby 36
Eliza Digby 32
George H. Digby 7
Eliza A. Digby 6
William Digby 4
Katie E. Digby
Henry GASCOCK, 25, Brother, born Holbeach###
You can check this on Familysearch.Org
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I'll look at the Halls later or tomorrow if no one else can come up with something for you :)
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1861 census: Class: RG09; Piece: 2331; Folio: 9; Page: 14
Kirton, Lincolnshire
Hall, Thomas Head M 60 Fisherman b Kirton
Hall, Mary Wife F 51 b Louth
Hall, Thomas Son M 26 Fisherman b Kirton
Hall, Emma Daughter-in-Law F 23 b Leeds
Hall, Ann Daughter F 24 b Kirton
Hall, William Son M 21 b Kirton
Hall, John Son M 18 b Kirton
Hall, James Son M 14 b Kirton
Hall, Maria Daughter F 11 b Kirton
Hall, Edward Son M 6 b Kirton
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1851 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 2098; Folio: 89; Page: 16
Lea Bank (could be Sea Bank?), Kirton, Lincolnshire
(Name missing, but under Occupation is "In Gaol"!)
Hall, Mary Wife F 48 Farm Labourer's Wife b Louth
Hall, Samuel Son M 19 Labourer b Extra Parochial
Hall, Thomas Son M 15 Labourer b Extra Parochial
Hall, Ann Daughter F 13 House Servant b Extra Parochial
Hall, William Son M 11 Farm Labourer b Extra Parochial
Hall, John Son M 10 Farm Labourer b Kirton
Hall, Betsey Daughter F b Kirton
Hall, James Son M 3 b Kirton
Hall,Maria Daughter F 1 b Kirton
1841 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 608; Book: 6; Folio: 12; Page: 17
Bucklegate, Kirton
Thomas (35), Mary (25), Samuel (8 ), Thomas (6), Mary (4), William (1)
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Thanks again Trish, I'll look into this new info. Looks promising.
Your welcome.
I think this is Ann who married James Grocock;
Ann FAULKNER Christened 17 November 1814, Anwick, Lincoln, Mother ELIZABETH Faulkner
Eliza married George DIGBY;
1881 Census
George Digby 36
Eliza Digby 32
George H. Digby 7
Eliza A. Digby 6
William Digby 4
Katie E. Digby
Henry GASCOCK, 25, Brother, born Holbeach###
You can check this on Familysearch.Org
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Thank you for your help. I do have the info on the Hall family, have been researching it for a long time. It is really only the Charles Grocock and Mary Ann Hall family I am looking for at the moment.
1851 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 2098; Folio: 89; Page: 16
Lea Bank (could be Sea Bank?), Kirton, Lincolnshire
(Name missing, but under Occupation is "In Gaol"!)
Hall, Mary Wife F 48 Farm Labourer's Wife b Louth
Hall, Samuel Son M 19 Labourer b Extra Parochial
Hall, Thomas Son M 15 Labourer b Extra Parochial
Hall, Ann Daughter F 13 House Servant b Extra Parochial
Hall, William Son M 11 Farm Labourer b Extra Parochial
Hall, John Son M 10 Farm Labourer b Kirton
Hall, Betsey Daughter F b Kirton
Hall, James Son M 3 b Kirton
Hall,Maria Daughter F 1 b Kirton
1841 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 608; Book: 6; Folio: 12; Page: 17
Bucklegate, Kirton
Thomas (35), Mary (25), Samuel (8 ), Thomas (6), Mary (4), William (1)
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Hi, :)
Maybe nothing to do with your lot,
12th March 1888, at Grantham, Lincolnshire,
May Ann Grocock married William Edward Walker.
Eilleen.
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Thank you for taking the time to answer my query. No this is not mine.
I have found my Charles Grocock and Mary Ann Hall. They were on my doorstep here in Australia all the time. They left England soon after their marriage in 1863.
Unfortunately Mary Ann died in 1877. I have yet to trace what happened to Charles and their children after her death.
Cheers,
Pat.
Hi, :)
Maybe nothing to do with your lot,
12th March 1888, at Grantham, Lincolnshire,
May Ann Grocock married William Edward Walker.
Eilleen.
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For your info Trish I finally found them. They were on Anc. but not the one you mentioned. They were in Prahran, Victoria Australia all the time. They left England soon after their marriage. Unfortunately Mary Ann died in 1877. I was able to download her death Cert last night, so know it's definitely them. I have been unable to find anything on Charles Grocock and their children as yet.
There in another entry on Anc which links Charles Grocock with a Digby. I shall be able to check this out when I go to my local LDS centre.
Once again thank you for your help.
Pat.
Your welcome.
MMm, interesting, maybe just a coincidence but Anc has a Ann GROCOCK age 80, birth c 1815 Lincolnshire, dying in Sydney Australia 1895.
Coroners Report has that she died from injuries received after falling off a balony.
OOPS not her though has NSW BMD has her Father as William
I think this is Ann who married James Grocock;
Ann FAULKNER Christened 17 November 1814, Anwick, Lincoln, Mother ELIZABETH Faulkner
Eliza married George DIGBY;
1881 Census
George Digby 36
Eliza Digby 32
George H. Digby 7
Eliza A. Digby 6
William Digby 4
Katie E. Digby
Henry GASCOCK, 25, Brother, born Holbeach###
You can check this on Familysearch.Org
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Thank you to everyone who helped with this topic. Particularly Trish. I have finally found my Grocock family. They were in Prahran, Victoria Australia all the time. They left England soon after their marriage. Unfortunately Mary Ann died in 1877. I was able to download her death Cert last night, so know it's definitely them. I have been unable to find anything further on Charles Grocock and their children as yet.
Pat.
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hello my name is mark clement :) i am the great grandson of Gwendoline grocock and i would like to try and get to know my family from Lincolnshire if you could get back to me as soon as possible i would love to get in touch as i have never met my family from Lincoln and i would love to meet you all :)
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Hi Pat,
You lust have thought I was rude but for some reason never saw your last replies saying you had found the Grococks in Victoria.
I do apolgise and am very happy for you.
Welcome to Rootschat markclement :)
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thank you very much :)