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The Malacca left Valparaiso, Chile on 8/1/1855 and arrived Port Adelaide 26/2/1855. There were 14 Chilian natives (muleteers), their wives and families on board. The Malacca then sailed from Pt Adelaide arriving at Port Wakefield 3/3/1855. The Chilians and the cargo of mules then travelled to the copper mines at Burra.
I have been unsuccessful in locating a passenger list and wonder if anyone can assist please.
Bill
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Hullo Bill, Do you know if the voyage of the Malacca was a once only or was it a regular trip as there is one in 1853?
From SA Shipping
"1853 MALACCA from Montevideo 23 07 1853 R 70 day voyage; mules for Patent Copper Co. arrived Port Wakefield on 18-07-1853"
Neil
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Hi Neil. Thanks for replying. It would appear that the Malacca made a few voyages to Australia from Chile; the 1855 voyage details I obtained from the newspaper of the time. I have checked all the usual spots for a passenger list but no luck to date. I wonder what would have happened to shipping documents from Port Wakefield?
Bill.
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LOST, probably. Many shipping and passenger records are now non existant. Your lucky if you happen upon one for your ancestors. I was, fortunatly!! ;)
Even that one in 1853 has just a record of the voyage not the passenger list. Sometimes those on board travelled as crew and they were not listed as passengers anyway. Sort of work your way out!!.
I cannot see one for your ship. :-\
Maybe more experienced others can ;)
Neil
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Here's another link that, while not giving the information you are chasing, sheds a bit more light on the ship.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/59404276?searchTerm=malacca&searchLimits=l-title=174
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Here's the report of the arrival.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49306745?searchTerm=malacca&searchLimits=l-title=174
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It appears there was more than one ship "Malacca", which makes the searching a bit longer.
It seems the ship went straight back to Chile.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49310381?searchTerm=malacca&searchLimits=l-
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The Malacca left Valparaiso, Chile on 8/1/1855 and arrived Port Adelaide 26/2/1855. There were 14 Chilian natives (muleteers), their wives and families on board. The Malacca then sailed from Pt Adelaide arriving at Port Wakefield 3/3/1855. The Chilians and the cargo of mules then travelled to the copper mines at Burra.
I have been unsuccessful in locating a passenger list and wonder if anyone can assist please.
Bill
Cargo of the Malacca, from Valparaiso — 300 mules, 11 horses, 150 bags flour, Patent Copper Co.
I very much doubt any passenger list actually existed. Survival rate of passenger lists in SA is poor for ships which sailed from England let alone those which would be classed as from foreign ports. Only 90 kms or so north in the Gulf of St Vincent from Port Adelaide to Port Wakefield. The ships was possibly classed as a cargo ship and if any manifest existed would probably show x number of passengers in steerage. It appears you have taken your information from the notice of Ships' Arrivals in the Register. The Register is often the only source for many of the online passenger lists in South Australia.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you all for replying. I have resigned myself to the fact that I am not going to locate a Passenger List. Next step is to contact a local historical society at Burra to see if they have any old accounting records of the Patent Copper Co. The person I am looking for is Clement Bralla (one of the muleteers from Chile) and he is my wife's 2xggrandfather. He may appear on the payroll or some similar such record of the Company.
Cheers
Bill
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Some interesting articles...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/015hn/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/015ho/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/015hp/
"The Directors do not consider it desirable to have horse power, manual labor being quite as cheap at Burra." The first lot of mules for the Patent Copper Co. arrived at the Gulf (Port Wakefield) about the middle of July, 1853, but out of 180 shipped at Monte Video only 70 arrived alive in South Australia. The passage from America was an exceedingly rough one and the boat driven by gales right out of the ships' usual course.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/015hq/
15th October, 1851 — The chairman of Directors reported that everything W£s going along satisfactorily at mine, both quantity and quality of ore being well maintained. About this time the Victorian gold rush started which quickly reduced the employed men and boys, in 30th September, 1853 to 167 all told, and water was allowed to rise, flooding the lower levels.
18th April, 1854 — Men were re turning and the numbers increased steadily to 191 and upwards to 688 on April of 1855, and in March, 1856 to 773.
I very much doubt there would be individual records of miners from that period.
Good luck :).
Cando
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/015hs/
The Advertiser 26 Sep 1946
……….She was the daughter of Clement Bralla, who came to South Australia from Spain with the first lot of mules for the Burra copper mines. He subsequently worked for Mr. C. J. Ware, a sheep farmer at World's End, and was a great horseman, was never known to be thrown. A couple of years after the Blinman mine was opened, Mr. and Mrs. Bralla trekked up there from the Burra with their four children in a hooded waggon.
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/blinman.htm
A few snippets here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/015ht/
Cando
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This is a fascinating piece of SA history. Born and bred in SA, I had no idea that Chileans and their mule teams were brought over here to the copper mines. Some of my own ancestors lived and worked in the Copper Triangle.
Bill, did all of the Chileans settle here in SA, or end up going back to Chile?
Regarding any records, you might try any of the following:
http://www.burrahistory.info/BurraGeneral.htm#Contact%20Us
http://www.burrahistory.info/BurraResources.htm#Useful%20Links
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/contact.html
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Thankyou cando and pinefamily for the additional links/info etc; it all makes quite fascinating reading. I have lived in SA all my life (67yrs) and I too had virtually no knowledge of who were working in the early mines until I started taking an interest in my wife's family tree. pinefamily, I'm not sure how many of the chilean muleteers stayed in Australia; not sure that the authorities knew either! Burra is only 2-3 hours north of Adelaide so we will make a visit shortly - they have quite a good self tour of the old mines which I took many years ago, prior to having any knowledge of the relevance to my wife's family. Thank you once again.
Regards, Bill
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Hi everyone,
The following page on Community Trees has information about a Clement Bralla (born 1840 Coplapo, Alacema, Chile; died 4 Jun 1918 Port Augusta, South Australia) and his two marriages in SA and his children - https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I166670&tree=SouthAustralia.
You should be able to get BMD certificate numbers by using the following database - http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
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Hi, I too am looking for that list. My grt grt grandfather was Jose Pizzaro, a muleteer traveling without family.
There are many Pizaros in SA still and in VIC. All wanting more info...
Plz keep me posted if you come up with anything, ta.
Retta
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The Malacca left Valparaiso, Chile on 8/1/1855 and arrived Port Adelaide 26/2/1855. There were 14 Chilian natives (muleteers), their wives and families on board. The Malacca then sailed from Pt Adelaide arriving at Port Wakefield 3/3/1855. The Chilians and the cargo of mules then travelled to the copper mines at Burra.
I have been unsuccessful in locating a passenger list and wonder if anyone can assist please.
Bill
Hi, I too am looking for that list. My grt grt grandfather was Jose Pizzaro, a muleteer traveling without family.
There are many Pizaros in SA still and in VIC. All wanting more info...
Plz keep me posted if you come up with anything, ta.
Retta
As was mentioned previously I doubt there was ever a passenger list. Read all the previous posts on the thread please.
I found a newspaper report was a little different to that quoted by the OP.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207022036
Adelaide Times 18 Feb 1855
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVED.
Saturday, February 17—The ship Malacca, 589 tons,Coleman, from Valparaiso 8th January. English and Australian Copper Company, agents. Passengers—14 native Chilians, 2 women, and 2 children. Cargo—200 mules, 16 horses, 150 bags flour, E. and A. Copper Company.
Cando
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You have a public tree on Ancestry so have much information about your Joseph.
On his death certificate how many years in Australia and in each State?
Cando
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He was in SA 3 yrs and 54 yrs in Vic.
Yes I have begun paying extra for more info of them in Chile.
Retta
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I have an unconfirmed list of 13 Chilean Muleteers who worked for the copper mines.
One of them, Jose (Joseph) Pizarro is my Great Great Grandfather of whom I have a reasonable amount of detail.
Some of this information actually disputes much information that I have seen on the web. For example it has been stated that Jose spent 3 years in SA and 54 years in Vic. This is incorrect as I have a birth certificate for one of his children showing that the birth took place in 1869 in SA and the next child was born in Victoria in 1871. This places Jose in SA for 14 years, maybe 15.
Please contact me if you wish to exchange information.
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Oh you have struck gold! I would love to see this info please. :D :D :D
This was my great great grandfather, I stem from Elizabeth Mary born abt 1873 in Clunes VIC. All the others before her were born in SA. She married George Thomas who's family came from Wales.
Joseph was in SA until the mine ran out of copper. He arrived there in 1855. I have his naturalisation papers dated 1901 at the age of 66.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Retta Palmer
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Retta,
I am more than happy to share the information with you but I am unable to read your email address or send you mine using this forum. Once I can gain access to the Personal Messaging system I should be able to send you my email address and once we have shared our addresses I can start sending your the info that I have collated.
In the meantime I will send a separate message with some basic info - this should get me access to the PM system
Wayne
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Hello Wayne
I have been having computer problems so haven't replied earlier. Your list sounds very interesting and I am wondering if my wife's relative, CLEMENT BRALLA (or VARELA), appears on it?
Cheers, Bill
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Hello Bill,
Nice to hear from you.
Your wife's relative Clement BRALLA is definitely on my list of Muleteers employed by the Copper Mines.
There were supposedly a total of 26 muleteers at Burra (some reports indicate 22 or 20). Of these 26 I have a total of 15 names.
I too searched for my relative (Jose 'Joseph' Pizarro) on a ships list. During that research I discovered that the South Americans were not considered to be passengers and were never listed. Being stubborn like I am I decided to try to determine that names of the various muleteers and thus began my research into the muleteers. I have had some success and might suggest that there is still more information out there to be found.
Before I give details about Clement BRALLA, I will give you a little history of the Malacca and muleteers.
It seems that the Malacca made three trips from South America to Australia carrying mules and muleteers. These trips are:
18 Jul 1853: Arrived at Port Wakefield from London (23 Jan 1853) via Rio De Janeiro (21 Mar 1853) and Montevideo, Uruguay (19 May 1853)
The ship listed 70 mules and 6 muleteers (Names of the muleteers are: Hurtley, Moiraran, Lambert, Puire, Grasan, Bilart)
11 Apr 1854: Arrived in Adelaide from Valparaiso, Chile (6 Dec 1853) via Coquimbo, Chile (19 Dec 1853), Tahiti (15 Feb 1854) and Sydney Australia (17 Mar 1854). An Inwards Register in Sydney showed 210 mules and 6 muleteers on-board.
3 Mar 1855: Arrived at Port Wakefield from Valparaiso, Chile via Auckland (8 Jun 1854) and Adelaide (17 Feb 1855). The ship listed 200 mules and 14 Muleteers (Chilian Natives).
It would probably be best if I could email to you the various information that I have regarding Clement BRALLA - You can provide your email address by sending a Personal Message through this sites messaging system.
Regards
Wayne
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Hello Bill,
Due to a character limit per message I had to break the information into 2 parts. As I indicated in the first message it would be best if I could email the information to you as it does include some images (records and newspaper articles).
Here goes with the second part:
Since the three trips did not list any muleteers by name I have compiled a list of names based on various information I have obtained during my research. This includes ships records, newspaper articles and information given by other researchers (ie names of relatives who they thought were muleteers).
The names I have to date are listed below against the various trips:
18 Jul 1853 arrival:
Bilart
Grasan
Hurtley
Moiraran
Lambert
Puire
11 Apr 1854 arrival:
Clement Bralla
Martino Erindorff
Agustin Alderete
3 Mar 1855 arrival:
Pascual Benito
'Simon' Don Juan Ricardo Cornego
Santrajo (Santiago) 'James' Olivares
Juan Ortega
Juan 'John' Perez
Jose 'Joseph' Pizarro
Given that the information to hand indicates a total of 26 muleteers I have managed to obtain the names of 15 muleteers - 11 to go!!!
One thing of note is that the names of the first six muleteers is more English than Spanish, but this is not surprising as these six came from Montevideo, Uruguay which at that time had a large English influence due the British support that was provided during the siege of Montevideo. Whilst these muleteers most probably spoke Spanish there is a chance that their heritage was English/European. These muleteers were never mentioned as being Chilean until after the 14 muleteers from the third trip arrived.
The second six muleteers also have European like names rather than Spanish. Like Montevideo, Uruguay, Chilean cities also had a large European influence and it is possible that these 6 muleteers, whilst able to speak Spanish were of European descent. These muleteers were never mentioned as being Chilean until after the 14 muleteers from the third trip arrived.
The final 14 muleteers do appear to be Chilean, based on their Spanish type names. Newspaper reports also referred to them individually as being Chilean or Spanish.
You most probably have this information but I have included it in case there is some snippet of information that you are missing.
I am not 100% sure of the children as it would require further research based on birth, death and marriage certificates.
Clement BRALLA
Buried at Port Augusta Cemetery on 6 Jun 1918 (Reg 419/82) after passing away on 4 Jun 1918 – Block 21/Grave 12.
married Johanna BALEYS on 29 Dec 1861 in St Mary Church, Wallaroo Mine, Clare Reg 48/380
Johanna died in 1881 at Frome Reg 108/391
Married Martha DEDMAN in 1891 in Frome Reg 166/34
Children:
Mary Ann BRALLA
born 1863 in Burra Reg 28/280; Father Clement BRALLA; Mother Johanna BAILEY
Married John Henry REID in 1881 at Frome Reg 126/541
Died 1959 at Adelaide Reg 893/4403
Dolphenia BRALLA born 1864 in Burra Reg 34/47; Father Clement BRALLA; Mother Johanna BAILEY
Ruphina BRALLA
born 1866
Married James Clark PARSONS in 1885 at Frome Reg 144/781
William Emmanuel BRALLA
born 1871
Died in 1894 at Innaminka; interned at Innaminka Cemetery
Edgar BRALLA born 1873 at Blinman, South Australia
Died on 6 May 1917 in France. Buried at Grevillers British Cemetery, France
http://ww1sa.gravesecrets.net/br.html
Amos Clement BRALLA
Born 1875
Never married
Died in 1931 in Adelaide Reg 532/438
Louisa Victoria BRALLA
born 1876 in Frome Reg 176.108; Father Clement BRALLA; Mother Johanna BAILEY
Married Alfred Walker and had a child
- Martha May born in 1901 Reg 673/469
- Martha died in 1901 in Adelaide Reg 277/485
Married Thomas McKay McPHARLIN in 1913 at Frome Reg 257/455
Arthur BRALLA
born 4 Mar 1879 in Beltana, South Australia;
died: 11 Dec 1903 in Adelaide, South Australia Reg 298/428;
Father Clement BRALLA; Mother Johanna BAILEY
Amelia BRALLA
born 7 Jan 1881 in Beltana, South Australia (Reg 253/296);
died: 8 Jan 1881 in Beltana, South Australia Reg 108/232;
Father Clement BRALLA; Mother Juana QUALLOON|
I also have for BRALLA
Clement BRALLA's naturalization Papers for 1911
Clement BRALLA's naturalization papers for 1915
Military Records for Amos BRALLA
Military Records for Edgar BRALLA
Regards,
Wayne
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Thank you for the trouble that you have gone to Wayne; I will check all that info to our records to make sure that we have it all.
I have advised you of our email address by PM.
Thanks, Bill
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I too would very much like to gather more information about the passengers on the Malacca. My interest is John/Jacob Day/Dae/Dia who arrived from Valparaiso and Coquimba per Malacca according to his naturalisation papers. He was a Burra and surrounds.
Sue
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Hi wclutter (Wayne),
I'd love to see any information you've found on the 3 Mar 1855 arrivals! Juan Perez is my ancestor (3x GreatGrandfather), our family has information on how he lived, married and died since coming to Australia but nothing about his arrival or time before! He married a Welsh woman and moved to Menindee where he was killed in 1872 (only 43).
I'm unsure how to send you a message on here, so hope to get a reply from you soon!
Best,
Patrick
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CoL
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Thanks CoL,
I'll keep an eye out!
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Hi Wayne. I would also love any information you may have as he is also my great great grandfather. I have alot of things I have gotten from other sites. But still alot of gaps. I'm more than happy to compare to see if I might have things you don't. Or if anyone else wants anything