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Title: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Thursday 26 June 14 14:23 BST (UK)
Hi, I am looking for information on John Hodgson born Nth Watlington (Kings Lynn), Norfolk about 1884. Also his wife Agnes Hodgson her maiden name may have been Fendley. uncertain if they were actually married.  I understand he was a blacksmith labourer in 1901 as a 13/15 year old.
Maz
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 26 June 14 15:01 BST (UK)

Hi

 he married Agnes Mary Elizabeth Tullett in Kings Lynn reg distr in 1908.
 He uses the name Fendley when he marries and in 1911 census as it is his birth surname.
 His mother Isabella did not marry John Hodgson until 1887

Tazzie
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Thursday 26 June 14 15:47 BST (UK)
Hi Tazzie,  do you have any info of where Agnes Tullet was born etc. I would just like more info. About them both.
Maz
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 26 June 14 15:59 BST (UK)

 Hi

 Agnes Mary Elizabeth Tullett was registered 1888 Jan/Feb/Mar in Kings Lynn

 In 1901 her father is listed as Walter W Tullett and mother Rebecca both born Kings Lynn
 RG13/1889 F 78 P27

 Tazzie
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: janfurness on Thursday 26 June 14 16:46 BST (UK)
John seems to have used both Hodgson and Fendley. His birth was registered in Downham June 1885 as John William Fendley, The 1891 and 1901 censuses both give his name as Hodgson but in adult life he seems to have reverted to Fendley. 
 In 1911 John William and Agnes Mary Fendley were living in Terrington St Clement Cambridgeshire with 2 children Arthur John and Florence Rebecca Fendley.
John William's death was registered under both surnames his actual birth date was 15th April 1885, his death was registered in Kings Lynn Sept 1980 aged 95.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: candrjm on Friday 27 June 14 16:14 BST (UK)
Baptism for Agnes:

County   Norfolk
Place   South Lynn
Church   All Saints
RegisterNumber   316
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   25 Jan 1888
Forename   Agnes Mary Elizabeth
Sex   F
FatherForename   Walter William
MotherForename   Rebecca
FatherSurname   TULLETT
MotherSurname   
Abode   Clough Lane
FatherOccupation   Labourer
Notes   
FileNumber   21902

and link original entry:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12150-46013-98?cc=1416598&wc=92BP-7MC:30223301,29359202,30355201


Marriage for parents:

Surname     First name(s)          District     Vol     Page
Marriages Dec 1879   (>99%)
GITTENS    Rebecca        King's L.    4b   1027     <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hardy    Robert         Kings L    4b   1027    
OGBORN    Sarah         King's L.    4b   1027    
TULLETT    Walter William         King's L.    4b   1027     <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: candrjm on Friday 27 June 14 16:34 BST (UK)
1871 census for Rebecca:




Name:    Rebecca Gittens
Event Type:    Census
Event Date:    1871
Gender:    Female
Age:    18
Relationship to Head of Household:    Daughter
Birthplace:    Lynn, Norfolk
Schedule Type:    Household
Registration District:    Kings Lynn
Sub-District:    Kings Lynn, Middle
Parish:    St Margaret
County:    Norfolk
Household    Role    Gender    Age    Birthplace
William Gittens    Self    M    66    Lynn, Norfolk
Ann Gittens    Wife    F    59    Gayton, Norfolk
Rebecca Gittens    Daughter    F    18    Lynn, Norfolk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Gittens    Son    M    15    Lynn, Norfolk
Walter Gittens    Son    M    10    Lynn, Norfolk



    and in 1861 census:
Piece: RG9/1256 Place: Kings Lynn Middle -Norfolk Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: St Margarets Ecclesiastical Parish: St Margarets
Folio: 7 Page: 7 Schedule: 42
Address: -

        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        GITTONS       William       Head       M       M       56       Boot & Shoe Maker        Norfolk - Lynn           
        GITTONS       Ann       Wife       M       F       48               Norfolk - Lynn           
        GITTONS       Rebecca       Dau       -       F       8       Scholar        Norfolk - Lynn           
        GITTONS       James       Son       -       M       5       Scholar        Norfolk - Lynn           
        GITTONS       Walter       Son       -       M       17m               Norfolk - Lynn           
    

William  married Ann Fenn in 1850, link for marriage certificate:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11106-15677-80?cc=1416598&wc=92BF-HZN:29842101,29373001,30583201
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: candrjm on Friday 27 June 14 16:43 BST (UK)
This looks like Walter with parents in 1861 census:

        
        
   
Piece: RG9/1257 Place: Kings Lynn South -Norfolk Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: South Lynn Ecclesiastical Parish: South Lynn
Folio: 153 Page: 24 Schedule: 148
Address: 10 Thomas Street

        Surname       First name(s)       Rel       Status       Sex       Age       Occupation       Where Born       Remarks   
        TULLETT       Edward       Head       M       M       34       Deal Porter        Norfolk - South Lynn           
        TULLETT       Elizabeth       Wife       M       F       35               Norfolk - Downham           
        TULLETT       Rosamond       Dau       U       F       10               Norfolk - Lynn           
        TULLETT       Walter       Son       U       M       8       Scholar        Norfolk - Lynn           
        TULLETT       Agnes       Dau       U       F       4       Scholar        Norfolk - Lynn           
        TULLETT       Florence       Dau       U       F       2       Scholar        Norfolk - Lynn           
    
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 29 June 14 17:07 BST (UK)
Edward Tullettt married Elizabeth Barrack in 1846

Link to the marriage cert:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11673-151932-58?cc=1416598&wc=92BN-2JC:30223301,29373001,29407601

Baptism for Elizabeth Barrack:

Search Record Details
County   Norfolk
Place   Downham Market
Church   St Edmund Tr
RegisterNumber   731
DateOfBirth   
BaptismDate   26 Sep 1825
Forename   Elizabeth
Sex   -
FatherForename   William
MotherForename   Charlotte
FatherSurname   BARRACK
MotherSurname   
Abode   
FatherOccupation   Bricklayer
Notes   
FileNumber   8585

This looks like Edward's baptism:

County   Norfolk
Place   Kings Lynn
Church   St Margaret
RegisterNumber   757
DateOfBirth   14 Mar 1827
BaptismDate   26 Mar 1827
Forename   Edward
Sex   M
FatherForename   Edward
MotherForename   Margaret
FatherSurname   TULLETT
MotherSurname   
Abode   London Road Lynn
FatherOccupation   Labourer
Notes   
FileNumber   2320

father's occ says Labourer but this couple have this daughter baptised in 1829:

Search Record Details
County   Norfolk
Place   South Lynn
Church   All Saints Tr
RegisterNumber   732
DateOfBirth   02 Nov 1829
BaptismDate   06 Dec 1829
Forename   Margaret
Sex   -
FatherForename   Edward
MotherForename   Margaret
FatherSurname   TULLETT
MotherSurname   
Abode   
FatherOccupation   Sawyer
Notes   
FileNumber   8463


and the father is recorded as a Sawyer which matches with Edward Tullett and Elizabeth Barrack marriage cert.

Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Sunday 17 December 17 13:08 GMT (UK)
In which year did John Fendley Hodgson start his own blacksmith business?
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Wednesday 11 April 18 16:06 BST (UK)
Hi, can you tell me what Florence Rebecca Fendley died of. She was born 1910 and died in 1913.(July to Sept register).  Her death was registered in the district of Wisbeach but born in Kings Lynn. Her parents were John William Fendley(or Hodgson?) and Agnes Mary Fendley(Or Hodgson)?

Also is it possible to find out when Barry Roger Plowright died? I think he as born in 1941, in the first quarter, and may have lived only a very short time. His parents were Ralph and Agnes Plowright and lived in Kings Lynn, Norfolk.

Many many thanks. Maz.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 April 18 16:15 BST (UK)
You would have to buy the death certificate of Florence Rebecca Fendley to find out her cause of death.

Barry R Plowright died in infancy -

From freebmd
Birth Mar qtr 1941   
Plowright    Barry R    mmn Hodgson   
King's L.    4b   750    

Death Mar qtr 1941 
Plowright    Barry R   age 0   
King's L.    4b   821   
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Wednesday 11 April 18 17:02 BST (UK)
Many thanks for very quick reply, good work.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Wednesday 11 April 18 17:05 BST (UK)
Is it true that years ago, when a baby died, probably at birth, they were buried in a coffin with another person who had also died?

Thank you, Maz
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 11 April 18 17:13 BST (UK)
I believe that happened quite a bit
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Thursday 12 April 18 15:46 BST (UK)
Hi,
Please could you tell me or direct me to find out if John William Hodgson, often referred to as John William Fendley, was ever actually adopted by into the Hodgson family or did he assume the Hodgson surname?

John William Hodgson of Terrington St. Clement, Norfolk. Born 1885, registered  in Downham Market June 1885. Died Sept. 1990.
Cheers Marion
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 12 April 18 16:18 BST (UK)
Formal adoption in England & Wales did not start until 1927
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/adoptions/



Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Sunday 15 April 18 14:30 BST (UK)
I am confused. Could anyone years ago just use any surname they wanted to without officially changing it?  My grandfather, John William Hodgson(Fendley) appears to have done this!!  Can I find out if my grandfather officially ever changed his name? Many thanks.   

 Marion
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 April 18 15:16 BST (UK)
In the UK you can use whatever names you like (even now) unless it is for fraudulent purposes.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Monday 16 April 18 12:23 BST (UK)
Wow, I did not know that.  Thank you.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Saturday 04 August 18 14:49 BST (UK)
Hi, please you inform me when exactly John William Hodgson left the army. Do you call it demobbed?  Alison Di he serve in Verdun, France during WW1?  His MIC was T4/244484 A/S/Sjt.
Cheers
Marion Haynes
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: amondg on Sunday 05 August 18 07:47 BST (UK)
He was in the Army Service Corp/ Norfolk and Suffolk Territorials
26 January 1915- 6 August 1918 he was at home
7 August 1918-25 March 1919 France
26 March 1919-23 April 1919 he was at home.

Officially his last day was 23 April 1919
No mention of Verdun
He signed up as John Fendley Hodgson.


Among the papers is his marriage date 13 July 1908

children
Arthur John born 19 September 1908 Kings Lynn
Thomas Walter  born 26 October 1911 Wisbeach
Gertrude Elizabeth
Beatrice Mary

The ink has faded re birth dates for the girls.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: Marion Haynes on Sunday 05 August 18 14:43 BST (UK)
Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 05 August 18 15:20 BST (UK)
It is hard to know if John Hodgson was John William Fendleys Father or not as he was born a few years before the Marriage of John to Isabella.

Illegitimate children often used their birth surname or Mothers new Husbands surname in records.
They often switched between them as John William did.
Title: Re: John Hodgson and wife Agnes
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 05 August 18 16:11 BST (UK)
If you dont know Isabellas Parents names they were William and Jane Fendley, Mother was Jane Ann Walker and their Marriage is reg FreeBMD 1858.

ISABELLA Fendley Bapt 15 Jun 1862 Watlington to WILLIAM/JANE
(FreeREG)

GRO Birth Reg;
FENDLY, ISABELLA, Mothers mn WALKER***
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION  Volume 04B  Page 369


JANE ANN Walker was Bapt 19 Sep 1833, St Margaret, Kings Lynn to HENRY/JANE
Fathers occp Shoemaker
Abode Broad Street Lynn

They are in Gaywood in 1841;
Henry Walker   30 Shoemaker
Jane Walker   35
Sarah Walker   10
Frances Walker   8
JANE Walker   7*******
Henry Walker   5
William Walker   3

1851 in Kings Lynn;
Henry Walker   42 Shoemaker
Jane Walker   48
Henry C Walker   13
Mary Walker   9
Elizabeth Walker 6

1851 Jane is living away from home as a Servant.

GRO Birth Regs;
WALKER, MARY, Mothers mn SMITH****
GRO Reference: 1841  D Quarter in FREEBRIDGE LYNN UNION  Volume 13  Page 129
WALKER, ELIZABETH, Mothers mn SMITH ***
GRO Reference: 1845  M Quarter in FREEBRIDGE LYNN UNION  Volume 13  Page 143

Which leads to;

Marriage Date:   7 Aug 1828
Marriage Place:   King´s Lynn, St Margaret with St Nicholas, Norfolk
Henry WALKER to Jane SMITH
(Anc.. also on FreeREG but has Ajne Smith (must have been hard to read)