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Title: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 11 August 14 12:46 BST (UK)
 I can find no trace of Mary and Elizabeth in 1871. Thomas dies in 1876
4 February 1876 Llangollen Advertiser.
Feb. 3rd, aged 47, Mr. Thomas Hornsby, Castle- street-square, Llangollen.

 I also can`t find Mary before her marriage because I don`t know where she was from. Which parish was her father Thomas the clerk of ?

Llangollen: 15 May 1859 mar. by Banns . Llangollen, St Collen
Thomas HORNSBY (servant) ba/28 otp s/o Thomas (ostler)
Mary CORBETT (servant) sp/19 otp d/o Thomas (Parish Clerk)

They had 4 known children
Thomas.  Birth 1860
Sarah.  Birth 1862
Mary Anne. Birth 1866 ( Annie / Anne / Anny)
Elizabeth Birth: 1868  ( where is she in 1871 - no death in Wales)

1871 RG10; Piece: 5682; Folio: 90; Page: 19
4 Trevor Square . Trevor Ucha
Thomas Hornsby M  30 labourer  b Evesham Worcestershire
Thomas Hornsby  son 12 b Llangollen
Sarah Hornsby dau 8 b Llangollen
Anne Hornsby dau  6 b Llangollen (Mary Anne)

Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 11 August 14 14:05 BST (UK)
That's a real sticky one  :-\

Can't find anything - not even the family in 1861 with young Thomas. 
Was hoping Mary & Elizabeth together in 1871 but  ???  Maybe she left Thomas and took the baby with her. 
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wrjones on Monday 11 August 14 14:10 BST (UK)
The birth of Mary is shown as Mary Anne in 1866 on North Wales BMD.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 11 August 14 14:22 BST (UK)
Do you have Thomas's birth cert with their address at the time he was born?

Kay
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wrjones on Monday 11 August 14 15:26 BST (UK)
Its the Mary Corbett that is missing!

regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 11 August 14 15:32 BST (UK)
Everyone is missing  ;D

Mary Corbett is missing prior to 1859 and missing as Mary Hornsby after 1859 far as I can see unless wilcoxon can enlighten us re 1861.

Birth address of Thomas in 1860 might help us find the family in 1861 just for info.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 11 August 14 15:32 BST (UK)
Not found her so far. However, I think the Thomas Hornsby who died in 1876 was  Thomas  Hornsby senior. The GRO death index has him as 57 and not 47 (so b.c. 1819). The remainder of the newspaper clip says: " Deceased expired suddenly,.....He was for many years boots and driver at the Royal Hotel. "  (see Welsh Newspapers online). I note that Thomas' jnr's father was down as an Ostler which fits.

I think I saw Ann(b.1866) in Oldham in 1881 as Anny,  a boarder, b. Wales.


Gadget
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Gadget on Monday 11 August 14 15:50 BST (UK)
The ages seem very mixed up. The marriage cert has TH as 28 in 1859, yet he's 30 in 1871.

In 1881, Sarah, bc. 1863,  is a servant (aged 20) at The Royal Hotel, Llangollen. Maybe a marriage for her would give some clues.

Gadget
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 11 August 14 16:44 BST (UK)
That's a real sticky one  :-\

Can't find anything - not even the family in 1861 with young Thomas. 
Was hoping Mary & Elizabeth together in 1871 but  ???  Maybe she left Thomas and took the baby with her.

I  think the 1861 is missing for the area.
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/miscellanea/missingcensusrecords.htm
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 11 August 14 16:48 BST (UK)

However, I think the Thomas Hornsby who died in 1876 was  Thomas  Hornsby senior. The GRO death index has him as 57 and not 47 (so b.c. 1819). The remainder of the newspaper clip says: " Deceased expired suddenly,.....He was for many years boots and driver at the Royal Hotel. "  (see Welsh Newspapers online). I note that Thomas' jnr's father was down as an Ostler which fits.
I think I saw Ann(b.1866) in Oldham in 1881 as Anny,  a boarder, b. Wales.



You are correct.
By 1881 Annie has moved to Oldham and in 1886 she marries Joshua W Hilton .
1881 RG11; Piece: 4075; Folio: 72; Page: 21; GSU (Edward Statham)
6 Sarah Street Kerneth, Oldham
 Anny Hornsby boarder  16 Cotton Operative b Wales

14 February 1886.St James Oldham
Joshua William Hilton 22yrs Carter - 1 Platt Street father Edward Hilton carter
( Mary) Annie Hornby 21yrs  c 1865 Reeler 1 Platt Street father Thomas Hornby  butler.


Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 11 August 14 16:51 BST (UK)
Do you have Thomas's birth cert with their address at the time he was born?
Kay

No and no baptisms on FindMyPast.
I have him in 1891 and 1901, but not 1881  ???

1891 RG12; Piece: 4618; Folio: 133; Page: 17
20 Farndon St, Wrexham
William S Piper  32 cab driver and groom b Totnes Devon.
 Thomas Hornsby  un lodger  29 out porter at Railway station b Llangollen

 1901
1901 RG13; Piece: 5224; Folio: 108; Page: 17.
4 Temple Row, Wrexham
Head of the house is Thomas C Dodd,
Thomas Hornsby  unm  lodger 45 groom b Corwen.

I can`t find a trace of him after. Not it this area anyway.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wrjones on Monday 11 August 14 16:59 BST (UK)
Mary Corbett could be from almost anywhere,Shropshire and Cheshire or even further afield.If she was born c 1840 she doesn't show up too readily in 1841.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 11 August 14 17:18 BST (UK)
In 1881, Sarah, bc. 1863,  is a servant (aged 20) at The Royal Hotel, Llangollen. Maybe a marriage for her would give some clues.

Gadget

There are no obvious marriages in this area,  I found some further afield before 1892 but on checking for the married names in the matches none of them fit . 
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 11 August 14 20:25 BST (UK)
Picking up that Mary Corbett was a servant when she married there is a 13 year old servant in Bromyard Herefordshire in 1851 called Mary Corbett.

Might be worth finding her if poss in 1841 to see if with father Thomas. 
Birthplace down as Bromyard Herefordshire.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wrjones on Monday 11 August 14 22:52 BST (UK)
I coudn't find any who have the info you gave in 1841 anywhere.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 12 August 14 07:15 BST (UK)
the problem is that we have no idea where she was from.
it reminds of the song "Cotton eye Joe"  - where did  she come from - where did she go  ;)
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 08 October 14 22:29 BST (UK)
I`ve spent hours looking to solve this puzzle. I think I have to give up on it now  :(
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: Nicky_j_r on Wednesday 02 August 17 23:36 BST (UK)
Hi,

I'm Annie Hornsbys great, great granddaughter and I'm confused about her birth.

The Llangollen birth records aren't transcribed yet; but I have found the birth of Mary Anne.

Is this the same person? Do you think she just 'forgot' her real name?

And did you solve the problem of mother Mary?

Thanks
Title: Re: Mary Hornsby, where did she go ?
Post by: wilcoxon on Tuesday 15 August 17 18:08 BST (UK)
I`m sending you a personal message.