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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: wilcoxon on Monday 11 August 14 12:46 BST (UK)
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I can find no trace of Mary and Elizabeth in 1871. Thomas dies in 1876
4 February 1876 Llangollen Advertiser.
Feb. 3rd, aged 47, Mr. Thomas Hornsby, Castle- street-square, Llangollen.
I also can`t find Mary before her marriage because I don`t know where she was from. Which parish was her father Thomas the clerk of ?
Llangollen: 15 May 1859 mar. by Banns . Llangollen, St Collen
Thomas HORNSBY (servant) ba/28 otp s/o Thomas (ostler)
Mary CORBETT (servant) sp/19 otp d/o Thomas (Parish Clerk)
They had 4 known children
Thomas. Birth 1860
Sarah. Birth 1862
Mary Anne. Birth 1866 ( Annie / Anne / Anny)
Elizabeth Birth: 1868 ( where is she in 1871 - no death in Wales)
1871 RG10; Piece: 5682; Folio: 90; Page: 19
4 Trevor Square . Trevor Ucha
Thomas Hornsby M 30 labourer b Evesham Worcestershire
Thomas Hornsby son 12 b Llangollen
Sarah Hornsby dau 8 b Llangollen
Anne Hornsby dau 6 b Llangollen (Mary Anne)
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That's a real sticky one :-\
Can't find anything - not even the family in 1861 with young Thomas.
Was hoping Mary & Elizabeth together in 1871 but ??? Maybe she left Thomas and took the baby with her.
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The birth of Mary is shown as Mary Anne in 1866 on North Wales BMD.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Do you have Thomas's birth cert with their address at the time he was born?
Kay
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Its the Mary Corbett that is missing!
regards
William Russell Jones.
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Everyone is missing ;D
Mary Corbett is missing prior to 1859 and missing as Mary Hornsby after 1859 far as I can see unless wilcoxon can enlighten us re 1861.
Birth address of Thomas in 1860 might help us find the family in 1861 just for info.
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Not found her so far. However, I think the Thomas Hornsby who died in 1876 was Thomas Hornsby senior. The GRO death index has him as 57 and not 47 (so b.c. 1819). The remainder of the newspaper clip says: " Deceased expired suddenly,.....He was for many years boots and driver at the Royal Hotel. " (see Welsh Newspapers online). I note that Thomas' jnr's father was down as an Ostler which fits.
I think I saw Ann(b.1866) in Oldham in 1881 as Anny, a boarder, b. Wales.
Gadget
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The ages seem very mixed up. The marriage cert has TH as 28 in 1859, yet he's 30 in 1871.
In 1881, Sarah, bc. 1863, is a servant (aged 20) at The Royal Hotel, Llangollen. Maybe a marriage for her would give some clues.
Gadget
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That's a real sticky one :-\
Can't find anything - not even the family in 1861 with young Thomas.
Was hoping Mary & Elizabeth together in 1871 but ??? Maybe she left Thomas and took the baby with her.
I think the 1861 is missing for the area.
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/miscellanea/missingcensusrecords.htm
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However, I think the Thomas Hornsby who died in 1876 was Thomas Hornsby senior. The GRO death index has him as 57 and not 47 (so b.c. 1819). The remainder of the newspaper clip says: " Deceased expired suddenly,.....He was for many years boots and driver at the Royal Hotel. " (see Welsh Newspapers online). I note that Thomas' jnr's father was down as an Ostler which fits.
I think I saw Ann(b.1866) in Oldham in 1881 as Anny, a boarder, b. Wales.
You are correct.
By 1881 Annie has moved to Oldham and in 1886 she marries Joshua W Hilton .
1881 RG11; Piece: 4075; Folio: 72; Page: 21; GSU (Edward Statham)
6 Sarah Street Kerneth, Oldham
Anny Hornsby boarder 16 Cotton Operative b Wales
14 February 1886.St James Oldham
Joshua William Hilton 22yrs Carter - 1 Platt Street father Edward Hilton carter
( Mary) Annie Hornby 21yrs c 1865 Reeler 1 Platt Street father Thomas Hornby butler.
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Do you have Thomas's birth cert with their address at the time he was born?
Kay
No and no baptisms on FindMyPast.
I have him in 1891 and 1901, but not 1881 ???
1891 RG12; Piece: 4618; Folio: 133; Page: 17
20 Farndon St, Wrexham
William S Piper 32 cab driver and groom b Totnes Devon.
Thomas Hornsby un lodger 29 out porter at Railway station b Llangollen
1901
1901 RG13; Piece: 5224; Folio: 108; Page: 17.
4 Temple Row, Wrexham
Head of the house is Thomas C Dodd,
Thomas Hornsby unm lodger 45 groom b Corwen.
I can`t find a trace of him after. Not it this area anyway.
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Mary Corbett could be from almost anywhere,Shropshire and Cheshire or even further afield.If she was born c 1840 she doesn't show up too readily in 1841.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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In 1881, Sarah, bc. 1863, is a servant (aged 20) at The Royal Hotel, Llangollen. Maybe a marriage for her would give some clues.
Gadget
There are no obvious marriages in this area, I found some further afield before 1892 but on checking for the married names in the matches none of them fit .
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Picking up that Mary Corbett was a servant when she married there is a 13 year old servant in Bromyard Herefordshire in 1851 called Mary Corbett.
Might be worth finding her if poss in 1841 to see if with father Thomas.
Birthplace down as Bromyard Herefordshire.
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I coudn't find any who have the info you gave in 1841 anywhere.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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the problem is that we have no idea where she was from.
it reminds of the song "Cotton eye Joe" - where did she come from - where did she go ;)
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I`ve spent hours looking to solve this puzzle. I think I have to give up on it now :(
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Hi,
I'm Annie Hornsbys great, great granddaughter and I'm confused about her birth.
The Llangollen birth records aren't transcribed yet; but I have found the birth of Mary Anne.
Is this the same person? Do you think she just 'forgot' her real name?
And did you solve the problem of mother Mary?
Thanks
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