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Over the past year I have focussed intensely upon the Barron Family of Hexham and wish to share my research.
I have traced my ancestry back to my gggg grandparents David Barron & Frances Forster who were married at Hexham, Northumberland in January 1807. The witnesses at the marriage were William Barron and William Thompson.
In February of that year David & Frances later had their marriage vows at the Cockshaw, RC Chapel, Hexham, they had 13 children who were baptised in the various RC Chapels at Hexham as well as Cheeseburn Grange RC, St Andrew's RC, Newcastle upon Tyne and Ministeracres RC.Their children are:
George Barron 1808-1871, Chief of Police at North Shields 1840-49, married 1844 Ellen Brewis.
Ann Barron 1809-1869, married 1834 Michael Young.
Thomas Barron 1811-1865, Police Constable & Brewer, married 1839 Isabella Guthrie.
William Barron 1813-1892, Police Constable & Farmer, married 1840 Margaret Crosier.
David Barron 1814-1876, Beer House Keeper & Career Criminal, married 3 times.
Mary Barron 1816-1841.
Margaret Barron 1818-1903, married 1841 Henry Forrest.
Anthony Forster Barron 1819-1880, Cabinet Maker, married twice.
John Barron 1821-1868, Cabinet Maker, married 1845 Ellen Murphy.
Frances Barron 1822-1862, married 1845 George Hepper.
Elizabeth Barron 1824-?
Joseph Thompson Barron 1826-1849, Cabinet Maker.
Robert Barron 1830, infant.
David Barron died at Newcastle upon Tyne in April 1846, however due to the limitations of the 1841 census his birthplace is not listed. However, his marriage, the baptisms of his children and his own burial suggest a Catholic background.
It may be recalled that a witness at David's wedding in 1807 was William Barron, throughout the baptism of his children this name occurs as well as that of George Barron, Mary Barron and Ann Baty.
At Hexham in 1813, William Barron married Ann Baty, their 9 children were baptised in the Catholic chapels in Hexham; their children were:
George Barron 1814-1853, Innkeeper, married 1835 Jane Scott.
John Barron 1816-? Innkeeper.
Edward Barron 1818-1846, Draper. Married.
David Barron 1820-1884, Police Constable, married 1840 Catherine Davison.
William Barron 1822-1833.
Mary Ann Barron 1824-1841.
Margery Barron 1826-1835.
Thomas Barron 1828-1846.
Jane Barron 1830-?
The registers tell us that David & Frances Barron and William & Ann Barron, lived at Hexham, Haltwhistle, Ponteland and Newbrough, before migrating to Newcastle upon Tyne. The burial register of Westgate Hill Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne clearly shows a close relationship between the two families as the records state that both families are buried with the other in 13 different graves, side by side with each other during the period 1841-1880.
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It is possible to find further evidence of the kinship of David & William Barron and go further back into the family history.
David Barron & Frances Forster were married at Hexham in January 1807. However the Tyne Mercury newspaper of that month gives a very important piece of evidence in the marriage announcements that takes us further back:
‘..at Hexham, Mr David Barron, farmer, of the Snape to Miss Forster of Watch Currock’.
A trip to Northumberland Archives and a look at the Land Tax records tell us that from 1805-1813 the occupier of Snape Farm at Hexham is George Barron.
Cheeseburn Grange RC baptism register tells us that his son David was baptised there 13/3/1785:
‘..David Barron, the legitimate son of George & Mary Barron’.
The sponsors were David Barron of Dodley Farm and Ann Barron.
In exploring this further we find that George Barron 1750-1828, married in Falstone, Northumberland in 1784 to Mary Thompson, the witnesses were John Kell and his brother, William Barron 1756-1833. Mary Thompson was most likely a widow, slightly older with her own family. George & Mary had two sons in quick succesion David b1785 and William b1786. Afterwards George is traceable through the Land Tax records. The surviving records are fragmentary but we do know (roughly) that George was the occupier of Low Moralee Farm, Wark, parish of Simonburn. Between 1779-1781. There is a gap in the records, then from 1784-1791 he is ocuppier of Birks Farm, Falstone, parish of Simonburn (the owner was John Kell, who was the second witness at George's marriage in 1784). Another gap, then from 1805-1813 he is occupier of Snape Farm at Hexham. A gap, then from 1817-1827 he is occupier of farmland at Newbrough, which is just outside of Hexham. With old age now descending, from 1822-1827 his 2nd son William is listed at joint occupier. I have been unable to trace a burial for George, (his wife Mary died at Newbrough in 1824 aged 81) but the 1827 Land Tax is his last recorded appearance, 1828 is missing. In 1829 his son William Barron is sole occupier at Newbrough.
William Barron died at Newcastle upon Tyne in 1847 and is buried in Westgate Hill Cemetery in a grave next to his brother David.
The strong kinship between the families of David & William Barron can be explained further.
Frances Barron (Forster) was baptised at The Dominican Chapel, Hexham in 1786, the daughter of Thomas & Ann Forster of Watch Currock Farm. Thomas Forster of Watch Currock died at Hexham in 1804 his wife Ann died in 1813 and left a Will at York in which she mentions daughters Ann Armstrong, Elizabeth Forster (married woman), Mary Hutchinson, MARGERY BATY, Jane Kirsopp, Dorothy Hall, Margaret Forster and FRANCES BARRON.
The names of the above people and their spouses and children are listed as sponsors throughout the baptisms of the children of both David & Frances Barron and William & Ann Barron (Baty). Furthermore, Ann Barron died at Newbrough in September 1832 aged 38 years making her clearly identifiable as the Ann Baty baptised at Hexham in 1794, daughter of John Baty. John married Margery Forster (1771-1835), elder sister of Frances Barron (Forster) at Hexham in 1790.
In short David Barron's brother, William married his sister in law's niece. Both families are 1st cousins through David & William Barron. Both families are descended from Thomas & Ann Forster of Watch Currock Farm, David & Frances Barron's children are grandchildren whilst William & Ann Barron's children are great grandchildren.
Look forward to hearing any comments.
Regards
Patrick B
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The appearance of William Barron 1756-1833 in Simonburn is an important piece of evidence. William Barron emigrated to the USA in 1800 with his wife Margery and children. The History of Ontario County: Lewis Cass Aldrich 1893, has a biography of William & Margery’s son David Barron (1800-1895) in which it states:
‘David Barron, Seneca was born in Northumberland County, England, August 15 1800, came to the United States with his parents in 1801, being less than a year old...Mr Barron’s father, William, was born at the old home in England, March 25 1756, and married Margery Wilkinson, of Newcastle in his native country...The father died July 14, 1833, and the mother June 6 1855.’
This information clearly links William Barron baptised March 25 1756 to the same William Barron of Cheeseburn Grange (same date), Stamfordham son of David & Mary Barron. Furthermore the marriage of William Barron to Margery Wilkinson, St Mungo’s, Simonburn 2/6/1785, staes that William was resident at Birks Farm, Chapelry of Falstone, his brother George’s Farm.
The location of Simonburn appears not to be uncommon for the Barron Family of Stamfordham at this time and they may have had deeper roots there. The 1784 marriage licence of David Barron (1753-1834) to Mary Usher (1757-1832) at Ovingham states that his residence is Low Moralee Farm, Simonburn. The Land Tax tells us that he took over the proprietorship of this farm from his brother, George Barron in 1781, but prior to that he was occupier of Billerley Farm, Simonburn from 1779-1780. It seems upon his marriage in 1784 that he moved back to Stamfordham to Dodley Farm. Interestingly the baptisms register of St Mary the Virgin, Stamfordham 8/4/1790 states
‘...John son of David Barron and Mary his wife, was born at Moralee 15/5/1785 and baptised by a Minister near that place’.
For the record I believe that this chapel ‘near that place was Tone Hall RC, a small chapel 5 miles from Bellingham, Simonburn Parish. It was amalgamated with St Oswalds RC, Bellingham in 1794, and no records have survived for it, but this would account for there being no trace of the above John Barron b1785, it could also account for there being no baptism record of George & Mary Barron’s second son William b1786, and for no baptism records of any of the children of William & Margery Barron, all of which were resident in Simonburn at that time.
Anyway, just wanted to post the discovery of George Barron 1750-1828 and his descendents. Hope this helps. Look forward to any comments
Patrick
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David Barron (1714-1796) remarried at Stamfordham in 1773 to Eleanor Holmes. She died in 1814 aged 84 and is buried at Stamfordham.
Just some comments on the other children of David (1714-1796) & Mary (1722-1769) Barron of Stamfordham.
The eldest, John Barron 1746-1819 was born, married and died at Stamfordham and farmed his whole life within sight of Cheeseburn Grange Manor. At various times he is listed as farmer, land agent and even butler (I think more likely some kind of right hand man for Ralph Riddell and not the black suited type).
Margaret Barron 1748-? married John Neavings, a mason, at Stamfordham in 1774. Their children (thus far traced) were John b1775, William b1777 and Margaret b1783. After 1783 I have found no trace of John & Margaret Neavings or any of their children. My theory is that like her brother William they too may have emigrated?
David Barron 1753-1834, returned to Stamfordham from Simonburn before 1788 and therein farmed for the remainder of his life at Dodley Farm, his children's baptisms are detailed throughout Cheeseburn Grange R.C.
Joseph Barron 1759-1828 is still something of a mystery. After his baptism there is nothing until his burial at Stamfordham which states he was of Edington Farm, Mitford.
Likewise for Mary Barron 1761-1825 she married William Chicken of Corbridge, Northumberland at Stamfordham in 1794. She is buried at Stamfordham, residence is listed as Gateshead. Interestingly when George Barron was occupier of Newbrough Farm 1817-1828, the Land Tax states William Chicken is listed as the owner, however it is not clear at this stage if this William Chicken is the same.
Thomas Barron 1763-1846 married age 42 to Mary Moody who was near 20 years younger, on 22/4/1805 St Andrew's Church of England, Hexham, Northumberland. One of the two witnesses was a George Bannannan(sic) which is a surname that doesn't exist and is most likely his brother, George Barron, certainly as we know George was resident at Snape Farm, Hexham at this time, which suggests that Thomas may have farmed with George before he married. In any event Thomas' children are throughout Cheeseburn Grange R.C, the Land Tax records him from 1813 as farming at Ouston, Stamfordham, possibly as joint occupier with his brother Matthew. He is buried at Stamfordham.
Finally Matthew Barron 1767-1847 appears to have farmed with his father David Barron 1714-1796 (now in his old age) at Nesbitt Hill Head Farm, Stamfordham, before becoming sole occupier himself upon his father's death. In 1802 he married Hannah Walton at Newcastle upon Tyne. His children's baptisms (between 1802-1812) at Cheeseburn Grange R.C reveal that he is resident at Hill Head until (roughly) 1812. He then moved to Ouston, Stamfordham possibly as joint occupier with his brother Thomas. At some point between 1830-1841 he relocated to Backworth, Northumberland, where he died, he is buried at Stamfordham.
Regards
Patrick
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My personal view is that the Barron's did not move far and are originally from the Ovingham, Corbridge, Bywell, Stamfordham area of Northumberland. Up to the mid 18th century the vast majority of Barron birth, marriages and deaths are in this area, I believe that our Barron's were probably a Catholic offshoot of these families.
At Northumberland Archives, the volume 'Return of Papists 1767' states that Cheeseburn Grange was owned at this time by the Catholic Ralph Riddell Esq (and was passed through his family), the document includes Ralph Riddell at the top and mentions 9 other families and individuals including 'David Barron and his 7 sons', 'John Barron his wife and 3 sons', and 'Matthew Barron', then states 'the above are all employed in country buisness, the greater part were born in the parish and educated papists'.
Records for John Barron and his sons can be found in Cheeseburn Grange baptisms and are clearly related to our David Barron. Likewise Matthew Barron married at Ponteland in 1767, one of the witnesses was David Barron. It seems likely that David, John & Matthew were brothers.
Unfortunately because of the recuscant laws, Catholic records always begin late, at Cheeseburn Grange they only begin from 1746, but the chapel was in existence with unrecorded baptisms etc long before then. I have found no Barron burials in the register at Stamfordham which seem to fit the family, however I did notice on an ordanance survey map of Cheeseburn Grange that it had adjoining it an old burial ground, so who knows who used to be buried there?
Regards
Patrick
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There are 3 David Barron's in Northumberland on the 1841 census, aged between 55 and 49.
1) David Barron, Gardener, age 55, residing at Postern, Newcastle upon Tyne with his wife Frances age 55.
This is David Barron baptised 13th March 1785 Cheeseburn Grange, son of George & Mary Barron. He married Frances Forster 7th February 1807 at Hexham. He died April 1846, Newcastle upon Tyne and is buried in Westgate Hill Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne. Frances died in March 1863.
2) David Barron, Farmer, age 50, Stob Hill, Cheeseburn Grange, Stamfordham.
More information can be found on the 1851 census:
David Barron, Farmer age 65, Stot Hill (Stob Hill, next to Grange Hall) born Stott Houses (Street Houses, next to Grange Hall).
He has now acquired a wife called Ann age 50.
David Barron, Farmer, of Stamfordham married Ann Acorn 1843, St Andrew's Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. His father was John Barron, agent.
This is David Barron baptised 14th March 1786, Cheeseburn Grange, son of John & Ann Barron.
The Newcastle Courant November 1792, informs us that John Barron was agent for Ralph Riddell at Cheeseburn Grange.
The Newcastle Courant April 1855 informs us that David Barron of Stob Hill was declining of farming and sold his interests at auction. He died August 1859 at Newcastle upon Tyne and is buried in St John's Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne. His wife Ann died at Newcastle upon Tyne in 1879 and is buried with him.
3) David Barron, Farmer, age 49, residing at Coldside, Nesbitt, Stamfordham with his wife Mary age 45.
More information can be found on the 1851 census:
David Barron, Farmer, age 60, Ouston, Stamfordham, born Dodley. Mary, his wife age 53.
This is David Barron baptised 15th June 1788, Cheeseburn Grange, born at Dodley, son of David & Mary Barron. He married Mary Cram, their children were baptised at Cheeseburn Grange and are clearly identifiable on the 1841 census. David died in December 1851 and Mary in May 1853. Both are buried at Stamfordham.
Hopes this helps
Patrick
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So much information. Forgot to mention one small item.
Just to conform that there is more than one source (not just the Land Tax) that George Barron was occupier of Birks Farm, Falstone, parish of Simonburn. George Barron & Mary Thompson were married at St Peter's Chapel, Falstone, Northumberland 2nd June 1784, the register (Northumberland Archives) states:
'Banns of Marriage between George Barron of Birks and Mary Thompson both in this chapelry were published on May 11th, 21st, 28th.'
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'George Barron and Mary Thompson of Birks in the chapelry of Falstone were married in this chapel by Banns this 2nd day of June 1784'.
Finally as we know from the Land Tax that George was occupier of Birks Farm at least from 1784-1791, and we know that George's two sons David & William were born in 1785 & 1786 respectively, we can assume that both David & William were both born at Falstone (despite the fact that David was baptised at Cheeseburn Grange, Stamfordham).
Patrick
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Hi Patrick
Over the past few years I have been looking at the Ancestry for my family and for my partner's. A couple of years ago I discovered a few pieces of interesting info about the direct link with his great grandfather's mother and his great grandfather and two of your family members - George Barron and Anthony Forster Barron.
I just want to give you this information and ask you some questions if I may, just to see if you know or have heard anything about this info or if you could confirm it or not.
As this info may be of a sensitive nature to the Barron family, you may not wish it to be discussed openly on this site - my partner's family has no problem with it as it was such a long time ago.
I would appreciate it if you could let me know.
Regards
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Hi
When tracing one's ancestry one often discovers that their ancestors were less than savoury characters.
From what I have discovered so far my gggg uncle Anthony Forster Barron was in court or gaoled a total of 7 seven times, most notoriously in September 1844.
What is it you want to discuss and I will try to help you if I can.
Best wishes
Patrick
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Yes, I did know about a couple of these with AFB - one of them was with my partner's Great Grandfather - John Lancelot Crozier. John Crozier was living with his Uncle Anthony - George Barron's brother and Anthony's then wife Ann Pearson. John was not charged with the robbery even though he admitted he was the one who actually helped with the theft. His uncle Anthony was arrested but also not charged but Ann was convicted and imprisoned - John Crozier was about 14 at the time - around 1852 - we have newspaper evidence about all of this including confirmation that AFB was John Crozier's uncle
John 'Crozier' married in 1859 and on his marriage cert he names George Barron - Gentleman as his father. John married in the Cathedral of St Mary - Clayton Street West. John also named his first son, John 'George'.
John Crozier's mother, Janet Crosier/Crozier was never married and died 1850.
We believe George Barron to be John's father- most likely the police superintendent - with the link of Anthony Foster Barron being his uncle or George Barron - Farmer/Cattle Market Inn Proprietor - although he was already married to Jane at this time.
Janet Crosier lived in very close proximity to this George at the time of John's birth.
We just wondered if you knew or had heard anything about this?
Yesterday, I put Antony Forster Barron into a web search and your postings about your Barron family appeared linking exactly with our research.
Regards
Ray
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Hi Ray
This is extraordinary! I really was pleased to read your reply.
I have to say I knew nothing of this. I did know the robbery case that you refer to in 1852 where AFB is mentioned as John Crozier's uncle, however I wrongly assumed it was by marriage on his wife's side.
George Barron, Police Superintendent, was given a pension pay off when North Shields Police became Tynemouth Borough Constabulary in 1849, afterwards he is referred to in most documentation as a Gentleman, even as far back in 1844 his marriage certificate lists him as such. Bearing this in mind seems that you are probably right in assuming him to be the father especially as AFB is referred to as his uncle.
George Barron 1808-71 was one the first Newcastle Policeman upon its formation in 1836, afterwhich he became a Police Sergeant in Sunderland upon it's formation in 1837, before becoming Chief at North Shields in 1840 (it seems he was the only applicant). I don't know how much you know about him but I have seen the Police records form both Newcastle and Sunderland which give a fairly detailed account of his activitys. But these Barron's are a strange lot, forever skirting between the law and crime. David Barron 1815-76 was also one of the first Sunderland Policeman in 1837 before he was sacked after 3 weeks for neglect of duty.
That's all for now
Patrick
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Thanks for a swift reply and what you have to say is very interesting.
Now to extend this 'history' a little further.
John Crozier moved from Newcastle to Islington with his family, so by the1871 census he is living there and becomes more and more affluent. Bearing in mind he is a House Painter when he moved to Islington, where does he get the money to buy more and more properties? Did he get an inheritance from George Barron, remembering GB died in 1871? I see that George Barron, in his final census, is a 'ship owner'? However, looking at GB's Will there doesn't seem to be that much money and he leaves it all to his wife.
Bearing in mind that in the 1881 census John Crozier is now a 'Gentleman' living on his 'Own Means' living in a very large house - Halton House - in Islington and he owns MANY houses in Islington - in his will he left almost £4000 to his son, Arthur Alexander Crozier who is my partner's grandfather. I think this was a fortune then wasn't it and he owned many houses in the area!
Over the next 10 years John 'Lancelot' Crozier - which by the way, 'Lancelot', he never uses again after his marriage cert. It seems to be a 'Barron' name - even now!
Where the other George lived - the 'Cattle Market Inn' proprietor - was very near to where John's mother - Jane Crozier lived - she ran her own grocery shop and was part of, 'Crozier Corner' in this area - have you ever heard of it?
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Hello Ray
This is certainly very interesting, I would like to know more. I have had some thoughts of my own on this?
You mentioned that John Crozier was born in 1838, Newcastle. I checked George Barron 1814-53 (Innkeeper) on the 1851 census, his daughter Margery aged 12 was born in Newbrough, Northumberland in 1839; it seems likely that George farmed at Newbrough with his father William 1786-1847, because this links in with a Letting advertisement in the Newcastle Courant, December 1839, whereupon William is ending his tenancy of Newbrough and Nunbush Farm before the family moved to Newcastle. What all this seems to mean is that John Crozier's father could not have been George Barron the Innkeeper as neither he nor his family were in Newcastle in 1838, so his father must have been George Barron the Police Superintendent.
Something else I happened upon. George Barron's brother, William 1813-1892 was also a Newcastle Policeman, he married 1840, Margaret Crosier (a relative? The father was John Crosier (dec) Miller, one of the witnesses was a James Crosier). In any event William quit the police in 1841 when he refused to accede to the terms a misconduct hearing; apparantly a certain Jane Crosier reported him for entering her house and removing certain household items, the whole thing was settled in her favour when it turned out the matter was a family dispute
That's all for now. I can't easily answer your question on Crozier's Corner, I do know that many of these tenement yards etc were often ad hoc named after the occupants, maybe that was the case.
Best wishes
Patrick
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Jane Crosier/Crozier was John's mother so it may of been her - I may have said Janet was John's mother but it wasn't - sorry but that was John's eldest daughter who died in Islington - she was abt 28. A little confusing. They also had a complicated life - and so it goes on .....
I hope we can keep in touch - have you got the 1841 Census for George Barron the Policeman?
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Forgot to mention.
John Crozier's mother, Jane, did have a brother John and a niece Margaret born abt 1831, they lived at 12 Fenkle Street, St John in the 1851 Census but the year dates don't match with yours.
Jane by this time had died in 1850 and John Lancelot Crozier was in a Workhouse.
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Hi Ray
Sorry about the delay in replying.
1841 census: George Barron age 34, is resident with 6 other Policemenat Norfolk St Police Station, North Shields, Tynemouth.
Just some thoughts about George Barron's Will in 1871. I happened upon an article in The Morpeth Herald dated Feb 1866, headlined 'MONEY TO BE LENT' 'between £300 & £1000 ready to be lent on Freehold House Property at 5%, apply to Mr George Barron of Crofton, Blyth'
Like you stated earlier, I think there was definitely more money about at some point than what was left in 1871, it seems that George and his wife Ellen had no children, and maybe as you suggested it got to John Crozier somehow, presumably before 1871.
I mentioned in an earlier message that most of the Barron's are buried at Westgate Hill Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne; the majority are buried in graves C242-252, George Barron and his wife Eleanor are buried further along in a purchased grave, C286, Anthony Forster Barron is buried in grave C287, I wonder now if this close proximity of the two brothers gives us a hint of a close filial relationship between the two in life, particularly in light of what we know from the newspaper article from 1852 where George's son, John Crozier, is mentioned living with his uncle, AFB.
A few other things you may not know about George Barron (1808-71).
George Barron (1808-71) seems to have been something of a policing pioneer. He appears to have been a Newcastle Night Watchman, enrolling with his brother Thomas (1811-1865) in September 1835, before joining the newly formed Newcastle Police Force in March 1836 in the first wave of volunteers. Thomas Barron (1811-1865) is my ggg grandfather he joined Newcastle Police along with his brother William (1813-1892) in September 1836. Thomas disappears from the Police records at this stage, whilst William remained with the Force as Constable until May 1841 before resigning. The Police Minutes at this time state that they are looking for strong, healthy recruits it seems that the Barron boys were just the type of raw material wanted (which probably meant mean and tough)
Upon the formation of Sunderland Police in November 1837, George Barron was appointed Sergeant in the newly formed unit, many of the Police Officers were poached from Newcastle (or maybe George was running away from something?). His Police enrolment details describe him as 6 foot 1 inch in height, born in Hexham, and previously served with Newcastle Police. He resigned in July 1840 to become Superintendent of Police at North Shields. The records for North Shields are fragmentary, however were you aware of the silver snuff box that George Barron was presented with from a grateful client in March 1846 inscribed Presented to George Barron, for his efficient services as Chief Officer of the North Shields Police, March 7th 1846
I would like to know more about John Lancelot Crozier? I find this an amazing twist to the Barron Family tale! When was he born? Was he baptised? When did he marry? Die?
Jane Crosier? How old was she when she died? Margaret Crosier, wife of William Barron (1813-1892) was born about 1816, the 1851 census states she was born in Morpeth, but I haven't been able to trace a baptism. Do we know anything of Jane Crosier's background?
Best wishes
Patrick
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Thanks Patrick for your very detailed reply. Later, I shall go through and answer your questions in detail.
Just quickly, I too have the 1841 census for George Barron 1808-1871. Is the place where he was living very far from Jane Crosier 1805-1850, and where she was living with John and her sister Ann, Lower Friar St., St john, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. George Barron the Innkeeper, in the 1841 census is living very near in Thornton - that's why I was convined he was the father, although married with children. However, you explained that when John Crozier was born c1838, this George Barron was not living there.
I have found a John 'Barron' born in Hexham in 1838 - but there are so many Crozier's and Barron's in this area it becomes quite crazy!
John's birth year is listed as 1838 in the 1841 census - aged 3 but on his Marriage Cert - 6th August 1859 to Janet Maria Gray his age is listed as 23 - suggesting he was born 1836. I think he and his wife possibly did not tell the truth here making themselves older because she had not reached age of consent. I need to check with other family members if we do know for sure the correct birth date. However in all other evidence the year is either 1838 or 1839. They married at St Mary's Catholic Church, Clayton St West Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
Regards
Ray
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Hi Ray
Norfolk Street at North Shields was about 6 miles from Newcastle. North Shields in 1841 was probably the main sea port in the north east, it was everything you could imagine a rowdy sea port to be, full of sailors, crime ridden and dirty. George Barron would have had his work cut out.
Low Friar Street was more or less the street connecting Newgate Street to Westgate Road in the west of the town. I mentioned in an earlier message the close link between the family's of David Barron (1785-1846) and his brother William (1786-1847), and most of the Barron's from both family's lived in this area in 1841. Margaret Barron (1818-1903) lived on Low Friar St prior to her marriage to Henry Forrest. Ann Young (1809-1869) formerly Barron lived on Newgate St with her family. William Barron (1813-1892) and his wife Margaret also lived on Newgate St. Whilst George Barron the innkeeper, son of William Barron (1786-1847) lived on Thornton St, which was a street off Westgate Road, along with his wife and younger siblings.
I do know that Slaley, Northumberland, which comes under Hexham registration district had a large Barron presence in 1838, I reckon that John Barron born there probably belonged to those Barron's.
That's all for now
Patrick
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Hi Patrick
Isn't it frustrating when we really don't know the absolute truth!
I don't know too much about John Crozier's mother Jane. She is in the 1841 census with her sister Ann and her son John aged 3 but by 1850 she is dead and her son, John, is in the workhouse. In 1852 John Crozier/Barron is living with his uncle AFB and with AFB's wife committing a crime - I personally believe AFB had full knowledge of this crime.
Family history suggests Jane Crosier was illiterate and her family was Scottish but the info for her and her brother in the 1841 census and beyond suggests she/they were born in Northumberland.
Jane's brother John and family are also in the 1841 and '51 census. I will give you more details about this
Apart from the 1852 incident with Ann Pearson the wife of AFB there was also a later incident with John Crozier abd his brother-in-law - Grey/Gray where John was found guilty and imprisoned for 6 months for fraud.
I believe that in 1852 there was a higher influence which stopped John Crozier being prosecuted - could it have been GB I wonder?
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Hi there .My first time on this site .Looking for the Barron family in Northumberland
I can see that Patrick B has done a great deal of work . Anthony Barron & Ann Pearson are my G G Grand parents.
Look forward to hearing from you . regards Janet Spence nee Barron
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Welcome to RootsChat! ;D
Is this them in 1851?
Class: HO107; Piece: 2406; Folio: 193; Page: 48
26 Clayton Street West, St John, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Barron, Anthony F Head M 31 Cabinet Maker Master employing 4 men & 5 boys b Haltwistle, Durham
Barron, Ann Wife F 27 b Yarmouth Roads, Durham
Barron, David Son M 3 b County of Newcastle
Barron, George Son M 1 County of Newcastle
And a link to the previous thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=517624.
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Possible marriage
Anthony Forster Barron and Ann Pearson, Newcastle, 1842
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Found this on Ancestry
1852
Ann Barron, 'Accessary before the fact in felony' - 8 months imprisonment
Anthony Forster Barron, 'No Bill', Acquitted and Discharged
1844
Anthony was given 12 months for assault
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Hi Janet
Welcome to rootschat :)
This is Patrick B's post on the Barron family it might be an idea to post on the end of it and they should then see your post
Rosie
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Hi Janet,
Welcome to RootsChat, I have just attached your reply ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Anthony Forster Barron and Anne Pearson
Yes Patrick has done a lot of work re the Barron Family.
John Lancelot Crozier whose father was George Barron - Anthony's brother, was my partner's great grandfather. John Crozier's mother was a Crozier and his father was a Barron. When John married in a Catholic Church in Newcastle he listed his father as a George Barron - Gentleman.
John's mother died in 1850 when he was about 13 and in 1851 he is listed in a workhouse.
By the following year, 1852, he is out of the workhouse and living with his Uncle - Anthony Barron and his wife Anne. There are several newspaper articles concerning a robbery in which John along with Anne stole china from a nearby warehouse. The articles refer to Anthony Barron as John's uncle.
Both Anthony and Anne were arrested. Anne was sentenced to 6 months and Anthony was acquitted. Amazingly John was never put on trial even though he was seen stealling the objects and admitted doing so. It was even suggested in the reports that John suggested stealing the china in the first place.
Anthony Barron did not remain with Anne and remarried.
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Hi folks
If it's any help to anybody this is what I have on Anthony Forster Barron so far. (another colourful character in the Barron family)
Baptised 28th December 1819 at Cockshaw RC Chapel, Hexham. Son of David & Frances Barron, his Godparents were his cousins Edward Baty & Ann Forster. His baptism entry states that he was born 3 months earlier. We also know that his father, David Barron, was tenant farmer at Spittal Farm, Haltwhistle at this time.
21st May 1841 Newcastle Courant. The partnership between Thomas Oyston and Anthony Forster Barron, Cabinet Makers, Joiners & Furniture Dealers is dissolved by mutual consent. All debts by the firm of Oyston & Barron will be received and paid by Anthony Forster Barron. Premises were on Pilgrim Street.
AFB was married 12th September 1842, St John the Baptist Church of England, Newcastle upon Tyne to Ann Pearson, daughter of Thomas Pearson (dec) Master Mariner.
September 1844. AFB was sentenced to 1 years hard labour for assault and attempted rape upon Hannah McNess.
6th February 1847, Newcastle Journal. AFB is listed as an insolvent debtor, out of business, and living with his mother, Frances Barron.
19th June 1847, Newcastle Guardian. AFB is remanded, but discharged at Newcastle Police Court, on the charge of stealing a silver watch.
29th September 1848, Newcastle Courant. AFB is advertised as being in business with either his brother John or brother Joseph, (probably Joseph as he died in 1849 after which from 1850-1860 AFB is advertised alone) as a Cabinet Maker, Joiner & Furniture Dealer at 26 West Clayton St, Newcastle.
1850. Newspaper advertisements at this time regularly advertise Anthony Forster Barron's well stocked showrooms including a fine selection of goods from London.
7th August 1852, Newcastle Guardian. AFB, his wife Ann and nephew John Crosier are charged with the theft of a large number of chinaware from the premises adjoining.
11th January 1856, Newcastle Courant. AFB appears as a witness in the manslaughter trial of a Mr Beardsmore.
17th May 1856, Newcastle Guardian. AFB appears in Court for drunk and disorderly. He is described as of respectable appearance, and draws mocking laughter from the public gallery when he asks the press not to report his trial in the local newspapers.
11th April 1857, Newcastle Guardian. AFB is charged at Newcastle Police Court for assaulting his apprentice, William Gordon.
2nd January 1858, Newcastle Journal. AFB hands over his estate to the creditor William Wanless.
24th August 1858, Newcastle Courant. AFB appears a prosecutor at Newcastle Police Court, against Henry Hardy, who stole a mirror from his store.
c1863-66. AFB is trading as a Cabinet Maker, Joiner & Furniture Dealer at Elswick East Terrace, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne.
25th May 1866, Newcastle Courant. AFB appears as a witness at the coroners inquest of Agnes Laidler (recently killed by a tram) AFB states that the married woman lived with him in the capacity of housekeeper (mistress).
c1866-69. AFB is trading a Cabinet Maker, Joiner & Furniture Dealer at Temple Lane, Thornton St, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne.
23rd May 1868, Newcastle Guardian. Whilst acting in the capacity of bailiff, AFB is charged at Newcastle Police Court for disorderly conduct whilst entering premises on Percy Street, Newcastle. His brother David 1814-1876, had recently been charged with running an illegal distillery on these premises.
29th May 1869, Newcastle Guardian. AFB is declared bankrupt at Newcastle County Court.
21st May 1878. AFB age 58 married Elizabeth Simmons age 39 at Holy Trinity Church of England, South Shields, County Durham.
January 1880. Death of AFB age 60 at King Street, South Shields, he is buried at Westgate Hill Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne Ward C No 287.
Thus far I have been unable to trace the deaths of AFB'S 1st wife, Ann or 2nd wife Elizabeth . At the moment the number of children that he seems to have had were
Mary Elizabeth born 1843
David born 1847
George born 1849
Ann born 1862
But there were probably other's. If anybody has more info I would like to hear.
Thanks
Patrick
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Thank you Patrick - excellent info - what a person!
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Thank you Ray, nice to speak to you again.
Regards
Patrick
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I mentioned in an earlier post the Barron Family of Stamfordham. I may have assumed that people would automatically read it with a knowledge of the family, therefore I just want to make absolutely clear that George Barron 1750-1828 is the son of David & Mary Barron baptised at Cheeseburn Grange R.C, Stamfordham, Northumberland 25th June 1750. Details of baptism for the other aforementioned children:
1) John 1746-1819 baptised 27th July 1746.
2) Margaret 1748-? baptised 18th July 1748.
3) GEORGE
4) David 1753-1834 baptised 25th December 1753.
5) William 1756-1833 baptised 25th March 1756
6) Joseph 1759-1828 baptised 18th January 1759.
7) Mary 1761-1825 baptised 23rd August 1761.
Thomas 1763-1846 baptised 25th October 1763.
9) Matthew 1767-1847 baptised 12th March 1767.
Occasionally when researching the Barron's we find that in a very few earlier records the surname is written as Barn, for example
Joseph Thompson Barn baptised 12th September 1826 Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham, son of David & Frances Barn.
We know this is actually Joseph Thompson Barron because his sponsors are Thomas Forster and his aunt Mary Hutchinson. We also have his apprenticeship record, death certificate, burial entry and grave record.
Also, my gg grandfather, David James Barron 1846-1893. He died under tragic circumstances which was reported in the local newspapers, however in one he is described not as David Barron but as David Barnes
With this in mind George Barron 1750-1828 is most likely the George Barn, from The Grange who was confirmed at Kirkwhelpington R.C, Northumberland in May 1764 along with John Barn (his brother) and another John Barn (probably his cousin John Barron, who is listed in later records as John Barron Jnr)
Hope this helps.
Patrick
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I made reference in a previous posting to David Barron 1814-1876, Career Criminal; I have recently uncovered some new information upon which I would like to share. I have composed a timeline of his life below, which includes as a list of his crimes, assault, counterfeit money, prostitution, bootlegging and bigamy.
Born at Haltwhistle, Northumberland 1814. His father David Barron was occupier of Spittal Farm, Haltwhistle at this time, however one census return lists his birthplace as Hexham, if this is true then he was probably born at his grandparents, George & Mary Barron’s farm at Hexham.
Baptised 30th March 1815 at Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham, son of David & Frances Barron (nee: Forster). The baptism register stated that he was born 10 weeks ago. The sponsors were Martin Dobson and Mary Barron (probably his grandmother) in the place of Margery Baty (his aunt).
7th July 1836. Married Jane Cowley (or Cully) at St John the Baptist Church of England, Newcastle upon Tyne.
24th September 1837. Birth of his daughter Jane, she appears to have been his only child, she was later baptised at St Andrew’s R.C Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. This is also the last recorded mention of his wife Jane.
11th November 1837. DB is in the very first wave of recruits to join the newly formed Sunderland Police Force. His enrolment record lists him as 23 years old, 5 feet 9 inches in height, resident of Newcastle, born in Haltwhistle, a farmer, and conspicuously as a single man and no children.
28th November 1837. DB is sacked as a Constable from Sunderland Police Force after only 17 days on the job, after having been absent on his round of duty the day before for 1 ½ hrs.
1841 census. DB Is living alone at Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland and listed as a brickmaker.
circa 1846. DB is (probable) licensee of The White Swan, Castle Street, Newcastle upon Tyne.
May, 1846. The Newcastle Courant. DB is charged at Durham for having assaulted John Norrie at Durham Races the week previous.
December 1846. Newcastle Courant. DB applies to the Brewster Sessions, Newcastle upon Tyne for a transfer from his premises on Queen Street, Newcastle upon Tyne to Westgate Street. Decision on the licence is deferred.
June 1849. The Newcastle Guardian. DB along with Mary Sordy and Isabella Forster (married woman) is arrested by Police for being in possession of an illegal whiskey distillery and mass whiskey manufacturing, after a raid on their premises in Melbourne Street, Newcastle. Sordy & Forster are discharged whilst DB is gaoled for 3 months after attempting to feign ignorance of the whole operation.
February 1850. The Newcastle Guardian. Thomas & Elizabeth Greener who live in a house of ill fame (brothel, see April 1854 for more information) kept by David Barron, at Library Place, Newcastle upon Tyne, are charged with having in their possession counterfeit coins.
October 1850. Aris Birmingham Gazette. DB is examined as an Insolvent Debtor at Newcastle County Court; he is described as late a Brickmaker and Contractor, now an assistant to a Beer Shop Keeper.
circa 1851-1855.DB is listed as a Beer House Keeper and Eating House proprietor at 15 High Bridge Street, Newcastle upon Tyne.
1851 census. DB is living at 15 High Bridge Street, Newcastle upon Tyne with his daughter Jane and wife Mary Barron (this Mary Barron is later revealed not to be his wife but is in fact the aforementioned Mary Sordy)
April 1852. Newcastle Courant. DB is charged with selling spirits without a licence; the case collapses when lawyers argue that DB should have been charged under the Beer House Act and not as a retailer of spirits.
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7th February 1854. Register Office, Newcastle upon Tyne. DB marries Sarah Hodgson, a widow with a young son.
April 1854. Newcastle Guardian. DB is gaoled for 3 months after assaulting his wife and then throwing her and her child down the stairs. DB is described in newspaper reports as a big powerful man and a big burly fellow.
Importantly Sarah Barron gave evidence in court that a number of girls came to the house, and his girls and housekeeper (mistress, probably Mary Sordy) had used her very ill. Also another young man who claimed to be a lodger in the house stated that prior to the assault Barron had lighted him to bed. It is reasonable to assume that DB’s Beer House at High Bridge Street was also a front for a house of ill-repute, with DB himself as the Master.
Sarah Barron did not stay with DB after this claiming to be so terrified of him that she feared for her life! She went on to have a son called Henry Dyer in 1856 with a man called George Dyer. She died in 1873 aged 45 years. A copy of documents held at Northumberland Archives relating to property she owned at The Side, Newcastle upon Tyne, reveal her marriage certificate to DB, her death certificate and her Will (which unsurprisingly has no mention of DB). Her two sons were also sometimes known as Thomas Hodgson Barron & Henry Dyer Barron, although neither was DB's.
April 1856. The Durham County Advertiser. DB and his wife Mary Barron (revealed in court as not his wife but Mary Sordy) are charged with selling spirits without a licence in a marquee at Durham Races. DB is well known to the Police but the case against him is dismissed when it is revealed that he was not present when Police raided the tent. Sordy first claimed that she had a licence to sell spirits belonging to DB’s cousin of The Cattle Market Inn, Newcastle (Jane Barron widow of George Barron 1814-1853), when this was denied Sordy then claimed that the tent belonged to DB’s daughter Jane Barron, and that she was merely a servant, Willy Barron! (William Barron? 1813-1892) Stood up in court to confirm this. In any event the court did not believe Sordy and she was Fined.
1857. Trades Directory. DB is probably the David Barron who is landlord of The Black Bull at Union Lane, Sunderland. It is possible that with his continued violation of the liquor laws in Newcastle he was refused a licence there and switched his activities back to Sunderland.
1861 census. DB is listed as residing with his wife Isabella and her children (surnamed Grey) on High Street, Sunderland.
September 1867. The Shields Daily Gazette. Sunderland. Police raid premises belonging to DB and find one of the largest and complete whiskey distilleries they have ever seen, in full operation. DB was not present during the raid but reports mention the fact that he is in possession of a horse and cart which he uses to travel the country. His wife Isabella Barron (Isabella Grey) was on site and arrested as well as a boy named William Snowden. DB beats charges again when the defence states that the premises although being occupied by DB were in fact legally rented by an individual in Newcastle. The prisoners were Fined.
March 1868. The Newcastle Courant. DB along with Henry Reed and George Armstrong is arrested when Police raid premises on Percy Street, Newcastle and find another illegal whiskey distillery! Reports state that DB coloured up to the eyes when arrested. DB is gaoled for 2 months pending trial and then Fined in Court.
15th March 1869. St Michael’s Church of England, Sunderland. DB marries his mistress Isabella Grey. This marriage is proven to be bigamous as DB’s second wife Sarah Barron was still living at this time.
October 1870. The Morpeth Herald. DB is gaoled for six months with hard labour at Morpeth Gaol, Northumberland, for using counterfeit coins.
1871 census. DB is identifiable by his age, intitials and place of birth, in Morpeth Gaol, Northumberland.
28th June 1876. Covent Garden Street, Sunderland. Death of DB aged 62 years. He is buried in Sunderland Cemetery, consecrated ground, Sec A No 6700.
Look forward to any comments.
Patrick
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Some updated information on John Barron 1821-1868, Cabinet Maker
He had a second marriage. 6th August 1860, St Andrew's Church of England, Newcastle upon Tyne to Alice Hill. I have found no record of the death of John's first wife Ellen, on his second marriage he lists his condition as bachelor (hope it's not another bigamous marriage).
Some extra information on John Barron
Born 13th July 1821, Kirkley Thorn Farm, Ponteland, Northumberland, son of David Barron & Frances Forster.
Baptised 1st January 1822, Cheeseburn Grange R.C, Stamfordham. His sponsors were David Barron (one of his father's cousins, David Barron 1786-1859 or David Barron 1788-1851, or even a long shot, his father's uncle, David Barron 1753-1834) and Margaret Forster (his aunt).
1841 census. JB is resident with his parents, sister Mary and brother Joseph at Postern, St John's Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne.
25th August 1845, St Nicholas Church of England, Newcastle upon Tyne. JB married Ellen Murphy.
May 1849. Death of daughter, Isabella, aged 1 year.
February 1851. Death of son, David Joseph, aged 4 days.
1851 census. JB is resident with his wife Ellen at Side, All Saints Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne.
January 1852. Newcastle Guardian. After returning from a works New Year Party, JB is assaulted by four other men outside his own home. Three are acquitted the fourth is Fined.
February 1854. Newcastle Guardian. JB is Fined for accosting then assaulting a young lady whilst returning home drunk.
1854. Birth of son, David. He appears to be JB's only child to reach adulthood.
February 1856. Death of son, George, aged 1 day.
6th August 1860. JB married Alice Hill.
1861 census. JB is resident with his wife Alice and son David at Pilgrim Street, All Saints Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne.
October 1868. Castle Street, Newcastle upon Tyne. Death of JB aged 47 years. Buried in Westgate Hill Cemetery Ward C No 242.
JB's son David Barron born 1854 followed his father's trade of Cabinet Maker; in 1873 he married Margaret Karse at St Mary's Church, Gateshead and had children. David however was also a serial offender in life and was gaoled several times. There is actually a police photograph of him aged 19 in Tyne & Wear Archives.
Patrick
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Hi there Patrick
I see you are still working hard!
Interesting to read the latest on the Barron family, particularly David who was George's brother. George being the father of John Lancelot Crozier as listed on his marriage cert 1859.
The main thing which interests me in your latest info is that DB married a Grey/Gray - this being the maiden name of John Crozier's wife Janet Marie Grey/Gray whom he married in 1859 - so must be a relative.
Do you know what happenened to George Barron - the police superintendent's wife - after he died in 1871? And I wonder if his wife left a will.
Regards
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Hello again
In regards to Ellen Barron widow of George Barron she died at Crofton, Blyth in April 1877. She is buried with George Barron in Westgate Hill Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne Ward C No 286. Her death certificate lists her age as 86, but this is about 10 years out. She left a Will Proved at Newcastle in 1877, but I have to admit I haven't seen it yet, in light of John Lancelot Crozier it might be worth looking at just to see what was left to who?
I personally wouldn't be too hasty taking on Isabella Grey as a relative, bearing in mind that Grey is a very common surname in the North and also that this Isabella came from Sunderland, but if you have any comments it would be great to hear.
Thanks
Patrick
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Thanks for your swift reply Patrick - yes I agree with you about delving into Grey/Gray - for another time maybe.
I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be on the wrong side of David Barron the 'Career Criminal' - but I suppose if you were part of the 'family' you were looked after - although he did throw his wife down the stairs! These Barron Brothers remind me of a Mafia family or the Krays involved in all areas of the criminal world. John Lancelot Crozier's father, George Barron, seemed to keep his nose clean and out of the way, with his wife Ellen. I wonder if he was the 'father' of the gang. The criminal side seemed to have carried on in the family genes with both George's son, John Lancelot Crozier and later John's only son both serving time in prison - the latter in 1910 for fraud.
Just out of interest, you mentioned that David James Barron came to a bit of a gruesome end - can you expand on this a little please?
Regards
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Hello Ray
That’s the Barron’s! I really don’t want to offend anybody with all these revelations but the way I see it is, this information is already out there so it’s useless to pretend it’s not. I’m quite sure that none of this stuff was funny at the time, but for me all this information on Anthony Forster Barron, David Barron and anybody else, happened so long ago it’s now nothing except a good story.
You’re quite right about David Barron, Career Criminal, not pleasant. I only included information that was definitely him. For example, he may have been the David Barron of Newcastle who enlisted in Gateshead Police Force in September 1840, and he may have been the David Barron who resigned from Newcastle Police Force in May 1845; there is a good chance he is at least one of these, but we can’t prove anything. Cousins, David Barron 1820-1884 of Newcastle, son of William Barron 1786-1847 later became a long serving Constable in Sunderland Police Force, and David Barron 1805-1868, son of Thomas Barron 1763-1846, later resided in Gateshead, so either of these could be candidates?
With this in mind it does beg the question of how David Barron continually kept one step ahead of the law for so long on so many things? How he never seemed to be present when Police raided his premises? How often the premises were never registered in his name? How often he avoided a prison sentence and escaped with a Fine? Did he have contacts tipping him off? The Police? And what about his bootlegging activities? I’m no expert, but I would imagine an operation that big, distribution etc would require manpower, was David Barron actually in charge of a mass criminal gang? The mind could run wild with such speculation.
But there are other incidents that may involve other family members that cannot be absolutely proved.
Ann Young (nee:Barron) 1809-1869, may have been the Ann Young who was gaoled for 6 weeks in March 1866 for theft from a pawnshop.
Mary Barron 1841-1866, daughter of Thomas Barron 1811-1865, (she married John Waller in 1859), may have been the juvenile Mary Barron who was in court for stealing items from a circus in July 1854.
My gg grandfather David Barron 1846-1893, may have been the 19 year old David Barron who was in court for street robbery in March 1866. The only other candidate is Anthony Forster Barron’s son, David Barron born 1847, however I may have found evidence that he was present in London at this time, if there are any descendants of Anthony Forster Barron who are out there it would be great to confirm this (Janet?).
Just to answer your question on David Barron 1846-1893, son of Thomas Barron 1811-1865 and Isabella Barron (nee: Guthrie) 1819-1887.
Thomas Barron 1811-1865 spent a couple of years as a Beer House Keeper in Durham City, David was the only one of his children who was born there, he was baptised in the local Catholic Church. He worked all his life as a riveter in the shipyards. In 1868 he married Margaret Anderson in Newcastle, when she died in 1890 David was left with the children and seems to have had a mental breakdown. In May 1893 he committed suicide by cutting his throat with a razor!
Just an aside from that, Thomas Barron's wife Isabella Barron seems to have slowly drifted into obscurity after he died in 1865, becoming estranged from her family and becoming a permanent inmate in Newcastle Workhouse. David was her only surviving child when she died in 1887, her body was given to the local Medical College for study and then what was left of her was buried in a mass grave in the local cemetery two months later!
These Barron’s are not dull.
Patrick
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In view of the last post, I thought it may be of interest to post the rest of the info on Thomas Barron 1811-1865. All these small pieces may help unlock a mystery for somebody.
Baptised 5th September 1811, Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham. The register states that he was born around about the middle of July, the son of David and Frances Barron. His father, David Barron was occupier of Spittal Farm, Haltwhistle at this time. His sponsors were his aunt, Margery Baty and Thomas Barron (either his father’s uncle, Thomas Barron 1763-1846, or his father’s cousin, Thomas Barron 1793-1880, who later became a successful Newcastle butcher).
18th September 1835. Along with his brother George (1808-1871) he becomes a Newcastle Night Watchman.
6th September 1836. Along with brother William (1813-1892) he enlists as a Police Constable in Newcastle Police Force (there is no further mention of Thomas in the records after this).
5th May 1839. All Saints Church of England, Newcastle upon Tyne, marries Isabella Guthrie, daughter of James Guthrie, a Keelman. Their children were:
1 Frances 1839. Infant.
2 Isabella 1841. Infant.
3 Mary 1841-1866. Married 1859 John Waller.
4 Ann 1843-1863.
5 David James 1846-1893. Shipyard Boiler Riveter. Married 1868 Margaret Anderson.
6 Frances 1848-1886. Married 1865 Robert Scorer.
7 Elizabeth Dorothy 1850-1852. Infant.
8 Thomas 1852-1874. Labourer.
1839. Resident with family at Newgate Street, St Andrews Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne.
June 1839. Newcastle Courant. May have been the Thomas Barron who was assaulted whilst on his way home through Castle Garth, Newcastle upon Tyne.
1841 census. Resident with family at Pudding Chare, St Johns Parish, Newcastle upon Tyne. Is listed in documentation this year as a Publican/Brewer.
circa1845-47. Resident with family at Crossgate, Durham City, County Durham. His son’s birth certificate lists him as a Brewer and he is probably the J Barron (mis-spelling) who is listed as a Brewer at Crossgate in Durham Trades Directory.
1851 census. Resident with family at Chapel Lane, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne. Listed as a Brewer.
1861 census. Resident with family at Back of George Street, Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne. Now listed as a Contractor for a Cutting Foundation.
circa1863-65. Upon the death of his mother, Frances Barron in 1863. Thomas is listed in the Trades Directory as being the Lodging House Keeper at her old address of St John's Lane, Newcastle upon Tyne.
7th June 1865. Died aged 54 years. Requiem Mass at St Mary’s R.C Church, Newcastle upon Tyne. Buried at Westgate Hill Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne Sec C No 246.
Upon his death in 1865, Thomas’ youngest son, Thomas Barron (1852-1874) was sentenced for 3 years to Newcastle Ragged School in November 1865 for stealing. The records on Thomas’ character state that he is known for associating with thieves, whilst the information on his family background states, the family is poor, but decent and industrious. Remarks attached to his record state that after his release in 1868 Thomas was doing well and working for Messrs Black, Howe & Thomas of Gateshead. By 1871 Thomas was back living with his mother, Isabella, but died a single man three years later aged 22 years.
Isabella Barron died in February 1887, her death certificate records her age as 78 but this is 10 years out. She was buried in St John’s Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne, two months after her death.
Patrick
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Hi Patrick
When you say Isabella's age is '10 years out' - is that for or against her?
Just out of interest, how did you discover her body was given to a 'Local Medical College' for 'study'?
Might her body have been sold to the college?
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Hello Ray
Good question. You may be right! Maybe the body was sold.
Tyne & Wear Archives is the key.
Isabella Barron died 1st February 1887 of old age at Newcastle Workhouse, the age of 78 years is against her, she was actually 68. The death was registered by a non-family member.
She was buried 30th March 1887 at St John’s Cemetery, Newcastle upon Tyne, consecrated ground Sec M No 54. Address is listed as Newcastle Workhouse.
Next to her name in the remarks column for the burial register it say’s Medical College.
A look at the Grave Indexes for Sec M No 54 tells us that between the dates of 22nd March 1887 and 13th May 1887 there were seven other bodies from Newcastle Workhouse buried in that same grave, all seven have in the remarks column Medical College.
It would seem that these individuals, (as well as Isabella Barron) all seemed to die in the Workhouse with no dependents and the bodies were sold to the Medical College before being interred later.
Cheers
Patrick
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Hi Ray
As I said earlier every little piece could be the missing piece of the jigsaw. On that note I was thinking that it would be useful if this forum developed into a forum for information on descendants of David (1714-1796) & Mary Barron (1722-1769) of Stamfordham, Northumberland. This of course means all the Stamfordham Barron's as well as the USA Barron's and of course our Hexham/Haltwhistle/Newbrough Barron's. Even if people posted to say they were descended.
As it just seems to be you and I discussing at the moment, I was wondering how you felt about starting the ball rolling with some information on John Lancelot Crozier, I know that sometimes there is only census information etc on these characters, but as much or as little as you like would be helpful.
Let me know what you think.
Cheers
Patrick
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Hi Patrick
I understand what you are saying but I don't think the Barron family ancestry will glean anything from it.
As for the Crozier/Barron family I would really like to know. What happened with the Jane Crosier and George Barron situation - will probably never be answered and how did John Lancelot Crozier acquire his money to purchase so many houses in Islington, North London and what, if any, was the connection with his father George Barron who died in 1871 - again will probably never be answered.
I really can't see too many people looking for ancestry re John Crozier. Perhaps the only relatives researching, apart from the relatives I know, will be the relatives of Charles Maple and Janet Maria Crozier and their children.
You see, after John Lancelot Crozier and his wife Janet Maria Crozier and one child, also Janet, moved from Newcastle to Islington, North London, they had more children but only two survived and got married - Jessie Marie Crozier and Arthur Alexander Crozier. However, at some stage, before the 1891 Census, Janet Marie Crozier decided to leave John Crozier and begin a new life with Charles Maple, who according to family history had either been living with the family as a lodger or had been decorating the Crozier house - Halton House - still there but now converted into flats.
However, Janet never divorced John Crozier and never married Charles Maple but she did have 4 children with Charles, Adelaide b1877, Annie b1878, Charles b1880 and Rose b1894. Janet Maria Crozier died in 1896 and how she survived that long after having so many children by both men, I don't know!
So any descendants out there from Charles Maple and children - 1856-1935 please get in touch.
What a tangled web we weave but isn't it interesting - and as Patrick says, it becomes a story after all this time!
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Thanks for that.
Just a couple of thoughts
I think you speculated on one posting that the Barron's may have been more actively involved in crime than we know, if this is true you may have your answer there as to where the money the came from.
I mentioned on one post how the descendants of Anthony Forster Barron may have moved to London (circa 1860's). I wonder if this was the same time John L Crozier moved south. Again another connection? Remember, John L Crozier did live with AFB for a time. I would like to see a descendent of Anthony Forster Barron come up with the answer though rather than fly off in the wrong direction.
Just one question. When did John L Crozier die?
Patrick
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Patrick
I hear what you say - that would be interesting if AFB's descendents came forward.
As you say, it is a story, and my story, until proved differently, is that George Barron, John L Crozier's father, was the 'Godfather' and he controlled the money and them! He was a shipowner! Do you know anything more about that?
JLC died in 1906 aged 68 leaving over £4000 in money to his only son, apart from everything else. His son A A Crozier had an excellent education and attracted his 1st wife - an actress called Minnie Jeffs - famous for her day - as a Stage Door Johnny!
Will give some thought about the greater possibilities.
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That's great!!!
That certainly paints a bigger picture of John L Crozier and his descendants, they seemed quite a flamboyant bunch.
I have a fair amount of information on George Barron (1808-1871), but for a man like him there must be so much more out there, in particular his shipping affairs, that definitely needs to be looked into.
Patrick
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I'm doing the Barron family tree for a friend. I have a Matthew Barron b 1789 Stamfordham d 1867 Stamfordham. He married Mary Robson b 1804 Bywell d 1854 Stamforham. They were married 1827 Morpeth, Northumberland and are buried at St Mary's Church yard Stamforhamhttp Matthews parents were David b 1765 Stamforham d 1832 Stamfordham and Mary usher. Can you help with how they fit in with your Barron's Patrick.
Dianne
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Hello Dianne
Definitely related.
Matthew Barron 1789-1867, born at Dodley Farm, Stamfordham 4th October 1789, baptised at Cheeseburn Grange RC Chapel, Stamfordham 8th April 1790. Son of David Barron 1753-1834 & Mary his wife.
David Barron Married Mary Usher 14th February 1784, St Mary the Virgin Church, Ovingham.
Matthew was 1st cousin to my gggg grandfather David Barron 1785-1846, son of George Barron 1750-1827.
George Barron 1750-1827 & David Barron 1753-1834 were brothers.
Their parents were David Barron c1714-1796 and his first wife Mary c1722-1769. The headstone for David and Mary can still be seen in St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Stamfordham, not far from Matthew's grave.
Let me know if I can help further?
Thanks
Patrick
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Thanks for the information Patrick, it all make sense now. 👍🏼
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Don't know if anybody has this, some updated info on the above individual.
I recently obtained the birth certificate for his son, Anthony Forster Barron, who was born and died in 1865. The mother turned out to be Agnes Laidler, who was the same Agnes Laidler who was listed as AFB's 'housekeeper', at whose inquest he appeared when she was hit and killed by a tram in May 1866 (see my previous post 3/11/2014). It is possible that Ann Barron age 9, who is listed as AFB's daughter on the 1871 census is also from this union. In total then, the number of AFB's partners and children reads thus:
with Ann Pearson Married 1842
Mary Elizabeth born 1843
David born 1847
George born 1849
with Agnes Laidler
Ann? born 1862
Anthony Forster born 1865
Married Elizabeth Simmons 1878
If anybody is searching for the death of AFB's 1st wife, Ann Barron (nee Pearson), I think it likely to be South (ie: not the North East) before 1878, unless of course AFB bigamously married his 2nd wife Elizabeth Simmons.
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Hi Patrick. I came across this post only yesterday when doing a random search via google and was gobsmacked and what you and others have found out about our family.
I am a direct descendant of Anthony Forster Barron (1819-1880) who is my GGGF. My GGF was David Pearson Barron (1848 - ?) who moved to London as you had suggested but not sure if this coincided with any large sums of money that appears to have come with John L Crozier - if it did I have found no evidence it came David Pearson Barron's way. David had a housekeeper called Charlotte (Lottie) Elizabeth Fuller and had 3 children John David Barron (1877 - 1950), Arthur Percy Barron (1882 - ?) and Beatrice Maud Barron (1886 -1975) my GM. Beatrice married John Thomas Wood (1867 - 1932) and had 1 child my dad Dennis John Wood (1926 - 2014). My grandparents and parents lived around the Hendon, Marylebone and Kensal Rise areas of London from the 1840 onwards.
My interest in starting the family tree was based around a childhood story my dad told me of when he was on his honeymoon down in Devon. Him and mum where staying in a farmhouse and it was pouring with rain one evening and they decided to stay in for the night and after having been given a meal by the landlady she revealed that she was a palm reader. My dad handed over his dad's signet ring which led her to reveal that my dad had a brother – a bit of a shock as he was an only child. When the honeymoon was over he approached his mother who denied everything, become very upset and told him never to discuss it again with her. Unfortunately despite many years searching I have found no evidence of another child although there is suspicion that John Thomas Wood was previously married to Elizabeth Powell but alas I have no trace of children from that marriage either.
One notable thing I did discover was that John David Barron fought in WWI becoming injured in Belgium he was treated by a local nurse and although John had a wife back in England and had several children with her after the war he left her and set up a new life with the nurse. They moved to Western Australia in 1920 and took several of the children with them but not all. The interesting thing about the nurse was that she was closely related to the Belgium Royal Family by marriage.
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Hello Jon
Great to make contact with you. You'll certainly find lots about Anthony Forster Barron in this forum and more importantly if you need any help all of the info can be verified too.
I found your information about Beatrice Maud Barron and John David Barron absolutely fascinating, there seems no end to the colourful exploits of this family.
I wonder now what happened to Ann Barron (nee:Pearson)? Did she and Anthony split, and she moved south with the family whilst Anthony started again with Agnes Laidler? And what happened to Anthony and Ann's other son, George Barron, born 1849? Certainly interesting.
Thanks
Patrick
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Hello Patrick
Happy New Year - 2016!
Just read the latest involving Anthony Forster Barron - very interesting!
Didn't his wife Ann Pearson spend time - was it 6 months or 1 year - in prison for something which her husband Anthony - who most certainly knew about it and his nephew - John Crozier - who did the stealing - weren't even charged with the theft? Could we put this down to good old George Barron, John Lancelot Crozier's father and Anthony's brother? Didn't she also have to spend some of her time in prison doing hard labour?
So when she came out of prison would she stay in the area and would she stay with Anthony FB? I very much doubt it. So what did happen to her?
Regards
Ray
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Hello Ray
All speculation of course. We do know that at least from 1859 Anthony F Barron was living with his mother at her Lodging House at St John's Lane, Newcastle, so the split with his wife Ann must have occurred before then.
I still speculate that your family and that of Anthony F Barron were closer than we know. I don't know if you have this but I found a report in the London Gazette dated 4th October 1859 concerning an Insolvent Debtor hearing against Anthony Forster Barron, paraphrasing it reads:
"...A petition against Anthony Forster Barron of 23 St John's Lane in the Borough and County of Newcastle on Tyne...aforesaid as Manager for one John Lancelot Barrow(sic), of No 5 Clayton Street West aforesaid General Furniture Dealer.."
Cheers
Patrick
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Yes speculation.
Just out of interest from something you said about John Lancelot Barron (Crozier) and the Barron family being closer than we know also that some of them moved South.
John Lancelot got married in Newcastle, August 1859, in a Catholic Church. The marriage cert is the only time we see him use the name Lancelot and where his father, George Barron is named. Your article is Oct 1859 just a couple of months after his marriage. I wonder if he toyed with using his father's name for a while and then perhaps was warned against it.
Something else I find interesting is that when my partner's father died and we were moving various items out of a garage, we found a very large, heavy copper cooking pot, marked with the name of Barron and a shop address being in London. Investigating a little further, this Barron family owned a hardware shop or shops in London also selling Barron locks.
I'm sorry if I'm being a pest but can you explain the link of Ann Baty 1794 with David Barron 1786, or was there no link. For some reason I seem to have a relationship between them with children involved. Am I completely wrong because he was married to Frances Forster 1786 during the time I have listed. Hope you can put me on the correct road.
Thanks
Ray
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Hi Ray
Don't be silly, that's why we're here, because we love it.
Ann Baty or Batey was the niece of Frances Forster.
We can explore this further:
David Barron 1785-1846 married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1807, FRANCES FORSTER 1786-1863 (of Watch Currock-Tyne Mercury Newspaper Feb 1807). Witnesses: William Barron & William Thompson.
Thomas Forster 1729-1804 a Catholic yeoman farmer of Watch Currock Farm, Hexham married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1765, Ann Bell 1741-1813.
Thomas Forster 1729-1804 is a descendent of the Catholic Forster family listed in The County History of Northumberland (1897) who's ancestry can be traced back to Robert Forster, yeoman farmer of Upper Eshells Farm, Hexham (1670). Ann Bell 1741-1813 is a descendent of the extended Bell Family of Hexhamshire, both however are discussions for another forum.
Ann Forster, widow, of Watch Currock, Hexham died in 1813 and left a Will at York in which she mentions daughters, Ann Armstrong, Elizabeth Forster (married woman, wife of George Forster), Mary Hutchinson, MARGERY BATY, Jane Kirsopp, Dorothy Hall, Margaret Forster and FRANCES BARRON.
Despite all 8 daughters mentioned only baptismal records for 4 have survived. They are:
i) Ann Forster , baptised 1766 at Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham.
ii) Jane Forster, baptised 1775 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iii) Margaret Forster , baptised 1780 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iv) FRANCES FORSTER, baptised 1786 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
The daughters in Ann Forster's Will are all mentioned in order of age, MARGERY BATY (nee:Forster) was born between 1766 and 1775.
John Baty, a Slater 1766-1839 married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1790, MARGERY FORSTER 1771-1835.
Their children were:
i) Edward Baty, baptised St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1792.
ii) ANN BATY, baptised St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1794.
iii) Thomas Baty, baptised St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1796.
iv) Elizabeth Baty, baptised The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham 1800.
v) Jane Baty, baptised The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham 1801.
vi) John Baty, baptised St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1808.
vii) William Baty, baptised St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1812.
viii) Isaac Baty, baptised St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1815.
MARGERY BATY (nee: Forster) died age 64 at Hexham in 1835 which gives an approximate birth year of 1771.
William Barron 1786-1847 married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1813, ANN BATY 1794-1832. Witnesses: Robert Bell & John Brown.
William Barron 1786-1847 and David Barron 1785-1846 were brother's.
John Baty, Slater died age 73 at Hexham in 1839. He left Administration at Durham in which children, Edward Baty, Thomas Baty, Elizabeth Wilson, Jane Baty, John Baty, William Baty, and Issac Baty are mentioned.
ANN BARRON (nee:Baty) died age 38 at Newbrough in 1832 which gives an approximate birth year of 1794. (she is not mentioned in her father's Administration in 1839 because she had died)
William Barron and Ann Baty had 9 children together, the sponsors of their children at baptism help us further to link everything in.
i) George Barron baptised Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham 1814. Sponsors: George Barron (grandfather) and Margery Baty (grandmother)
ii) John Barron baptised Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham 1816. Sponsors: Christopher Hamilton and Ann Forster (mother's cousin)
iii) Edward Barron baptised Stonecroft R.C Chapel, Newbrough 1818. Sponsors: George Barron (grandfather) and Mary Barron (grandmother)
iv) David Barron baptised The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham 1820. Sponsors: Edward Dobson (relative) and Elizabeth Forster (great aunt)
v) William Barron baptised The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham 1822. Sponsors: Matthew Barker and Jane Baty (aunt)
vi) Mary Ann Barron baptised The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham 1824. Sponsors: George Taylor and Jane Baty (aunt)
vii) Margery Barron baptised Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham 1826. Sponsors: George Taylor and Elizabeth Forster (great aunt)
viii) Thomas Barron baptised Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham 1829. Sponsors: James Bell and Elizabeth Johnson.
ix) Jane Barron baptised Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham 1831. Sponsors: John Armstrong (relative) and Isabella Usher.
Hope all this helps.
I was also interested to hear about the hardware background of John Lancelot Crozier/Barron. His uncle, Anthony Forster Barron 1819-1880 was listed as a haberdasher in the last few years of his life. Another link?
Cheers
Patrick
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The problem is I'm hooked - it's like a drug - and I don't only look into one family - I have four on the go! Jack of all master of none!
Thanks for all of that Patrick - it makes it very much clearer and yes I was on the very wrong road, wasn't I? I don't know how I got Ann Baty/Batey linked up with David Barron 1785 when it should have been his brother William Barron 1786 - too much wine perhaps!
Please don't tell me you remembered all that!
I'm going to look a bit deeper into the John Crozier and Barron family relationship.
Regards and keep up the excellent work - you truly are a master of the Barron family!
Ray
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Hi Ray
Just some more thought's on George Barron, Anthony F Barron and John L Crozier
Assuming John's mother had died. George Barron as a retired Police Superintendent in receipt of a pension would probably cut a respectable figure in society, therefore to publicly acknowledge his illegitimate son by bringing him into his own home may have been considered 'outwardly' as something of a scandal, or an affront to his wife (despite the fact that everybody probably knew anyway). George's brother Anthony was doing well in trade at that time as a Cabinet Maker, Furniture Dealer (probably better than any of the other family members), and I wonder if George came to some form of arrangement with him (possibly financial) to take John in, raise him and instruct him in his trade. Or maybe, when John turned 14 his father simply sent him off to be apprenticed to his uncle Anthony to learn the trade of Cabinet Maker.
Patrick
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Interesting but nowhere on any census is John Crozier listed as a Cabinet Maker or an apprentice CM.
In 1841 Census, John Crosier is just 3 years old living with his mother Jane Crosier and his aunt Ann in Lower Friar Street, Newcastle.
1851 Census, age is listed as 12/13. He is in the Union Workhouse, Newcastle - his mother Jane having died in 1850.
We know from newspaper reports that by 1852 he is living with his Uncle Anthony Forster Barron and Anthony's wife Ann F B (nee Pearson). Am I correct in thinking that someone would have had to get him out of the workhouse or could he have left when reaching a certain age?
In August 1859 he married Janet Maria Gray at St. Mary's Catholic Church, Newcastle. Both did not give their correct age. No Barron family members were witnesses, these being a Susan Doyle and an Elizabeth Blight or Bright.
1861 Census, John Crozier is living with his wife Janet (Jessie) nee Gray/Grey and his first son John GEORGE Crozier who was 10 months old, at 2 West Clayton Street listed as a Boot & Shoe Shop & House. John's occupation is listed as a House & Sign Painter. His first son, John George was born 5th June 1860 and Baptised in St Mary's Catholic Church on 4th April 1861. He died the last quarter of 1862.
In 1863 his eldest daughter, Jane Maria Crozier was born in Newcastle.
January 1864, John Crozier, painter, is in court charged with stealing from the Theatre Royal, Newcastle, along with a relative of his wife, George Alexander Gray also a painter.
They both received prison sentences in March 1864, John 3 months and George 1 month, both with hard labour.
We know that John Crozier's next child, Julia Isabella Mary was born in London in 1865 so we can assume that he had made the move to London by this time.
1871 Census, John Crozier is still a House Painter living in Florence Street, Islington, London. George Barron - his father dies in August 1871 and by the 1881 Census, John Crozier is listed as a Gentleman. His wife, Janet Maria is not on this census as she is now living with a man named Charles Maple.
Over the years, John Crozier bought many leasehold properties in the area and rented them out. He died in 1906 leaving a considerable sum to his only son, Arthur Alexander Crozier, around £353 thousand in today's money.
He obviously learnt a lot from his his uncle Anthony but I don't think cabinet making was one of them.
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Hi Patrick
May I wish you a very Happy 2017!
Hope all is well. Any fantastic updates re the Barron's?
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Thanks
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Hi
I am researching my family tree and currently researching the Barron family.
My 4th great-grandfather is Anthony forster/foster Barron. I was shocked but also intrigued to learn about his past and the things he had gotten up to reading this forum. I can only seem to find two newspaper reports on him, one with the robbery with his wife Ann and the other where his mistress was ran over by a cart. I can also only find one criminal record of him that is labelled as ''assault with intent to
perish''.
If anyone could point me in the direction as to where I would find documentation of his criminal activity or newspaper reports I would be hugely grateful.
Many thanks
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Hi
Anthony F Barron certainly lived a well documented life.
I posted a chronology on page 3 of this forum concerning Anthony F Barron, including his criminal activities on 3/11/2014 14:46GMT. Next to each misdemeaner I referenced the date and newspaper source, you can find these newspapers in Newcastle City Library or on http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Hope this helps and good luck.
Patrick
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Thank you for the quick reply Patrick :)
And sorry I missed the references in your post!
I've searched the website you linked and I can only seem to find the two articles I stated in my previous post.
Is there any way of getting them without actually going to Newcastle?
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Hi
Try http://www.findmypast.co.uk/ go to Newspapers & Periodicals - go to filter by county - go to Tyne & Wear and tick box to apply filter - go to filter by newspaper and this will show you all the newspapers mentioned.
Hope this helps
Patrick
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Found this info not long ago, thought it may be useful.
On 21st May 1841 it was reported in the Newcastle Courant that the partnership between Thomas Oyston and Anthony Forster Barron, Cabinet Makers, Joiners & Furniture Dealers is dissolved by mutual consent. All debts by the firm of Oyston & Barron will be received and paid by Anthony Forster Barron.
The Court of Conscience, Newcastle upon Tyne was a debtors court where plaintiffs and defendants sued each other. The records held at Tyne & Wear Archives are fragmentary but they have survived for the years 1842-43, 1843-44 & 1844-47, they give another glimpse into the activities of Anthony Forster Barron.
31 May 1842 AFB was sued by David Cowan.
28 June 1842 AFB was again sued by David Cowan,
30 August 1842 AFB & Thomas Oyston were both sued by John George Ewart.
29 November 1842 AFB was sued by Thomas Clark.
29 November 1842 AFB was sued by John Brown Oyston.
31 January 1843 AFB sued John Owen Hogg, Robert Hetherington, Elizabeth Embleton, William Hills, Thomas Bruce and Thomas Charlton.
31 January 1843 AFB was sued by William Codling.
31 January 1843 AFB was sued by William Henzell.
31 January 1843 AFB was sued by Thomas Linsey.
28 March 1843 Thomas Oyston was sued by Emmerson Lee.
28 March 1843 AFB was sued by Thomas Oyston.
30 May 1843 AFB was again sued by Thomas Oyston.
29 August 1843 AFB was sued by David Cowan.
29 September 1843 AFB was sued by John Forster.
31 October 1843 AFB sued Abraham Levy, John Harrison, George Byers and John Gee.
28 November 1843 AFB sued George Peary, Thomas Scott, Mary Anderson, Philip Tinshard, Anthony Graham, Isabella Embleton, Thomas Bruce, Robert Errington, Henry Fairlamb and Joseph Pattison.
It is by anyone's standards a huge amount of Court appearances! In the middle of all this Anthony F Barron also found time to marry Ann Pearson on 12th September 1842. The Court appearances stop when AFB was gaoled for 1yr in September 1844 for crime against Hannah McNess. By February 1847 the Newcastle Journal lists him as an insolvent debtor, out of business, and living with his mother, Frances Barron, but then as we know his story did not end there and he was soon back in buisness..
Patrick
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Does anyone have any idea where the name Barron originated from or where the family came from?
I was talking to my Grandma and she said she remembers her father David Herbert Barron mentioning something about Scotland? just wondered if there was any truth in that or if anyone has any idea.
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The most common explanation I've come across for the origin of the surname is that of a minor landowner who held a certain amount of jurisdiction over the population of their lands. Many sources list it as an old surname of Angus, Scotland. The earliest our Barron's can be traced is of course to David Barron (c1714-1796) & his wife Mary (c1722-1769) of Stamfordham, Northumberland, David was most likely land steward to the Catholic Riddell Family who owned Cheeseburn Grange. David either was born a Catholic, married a Catholic or took on the religion of the Riddell Family.
At Northumberland Archives, the volume 'Return of Papists 1767' states that Cheeseburn Grange, Stamfordham was owned at this time by the Catholic Ralph Riddell Esq, the return mentions 9 other families and individuals including 'David Barron and his 7 sons', 'John Barron his wife and 3 sons', and 'Matthew Barron' then states 'the above are all employed in country business, the greater part were born in the parish and educated papists'.
Whether or not David was one of those who was born in Stamfordham is a question which cannot be answered, my personal view is that the Barron's did not move far and are originally from the surrounding Ovingham, Corbridge, Bywell, Stamfordham area of Northumberland. Up to the mid 18th century there is a sizeable number of Barron birth, marriages and deaths in this vicinity, I believe that our Barron's were probably an offshoot of these families.
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The most common explanation I've come across for the origin of the surname is that of a minor landowner who held a certain amount of jurisdiction over the population of their lands. Many sources list it as an old surname of Angus, Scotland. The earliest our Barron's can be traced is of course to David Barron (c1714-1796) & his wife Mary (c1722-1769) of Stamfordham, Northumberland, David was most likely land steward to the Catholic Riddell Family who owned Cheeseburn Grange. David either was born a Catholic, married a Catholic or took on the religion of the Riddell Family.
At Northumberland Archives, the volume 'Return of Papists 1767' states that Cheeseburn Grange, Stamfordham was owned at this time by the Catholic Ralph Riddell Esq, the return mentions 9 other families and individuals including 'David Barron and his 7 sons', 'John Barron his wife and 3 sons', and 'Matthew Barron' then states 'the above are all employed in country business, the greater part were born in the parish and educated papists'.
Whether or not David was one of those who was born in Stamfordham is a question which cannot be answered, my personal view is that the Barron's did not move far and are originally from the surrounding Ovingham, Corbridge, Bywell, Stamfordham area of Northumberland. Up to the mid 18th century there is a sizeable number of Barron birth, marriages and deaths in this vicinity, I believe that our Barron's were probably an offshoot of these families.
Thank you for the detailed answer Patrick, really helpful!
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Hi
I have been sent a passage from a book titled ''Victorian Villains''.
In this book there is a man called David Barron aged 19 at the time in 1872 from Newcastle Upon Tyne. He was sentenced to 6 months in jail. The only David Barron I have on my tree is a David Pearson Barron Birth 1848. Or a generation before him there is another David Barron born 1815. But looking at his prison picture in the book it couldn't be the David born 1815 as it states the David Barron in question was 19 at the time.
David Pearson Barron would've have been a couple of years older at the time having been born in 1848. I can't quite pinpoint who this David Barron is. If anyone has any idea I'd be hugely grateful.
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The person who has extensive knowledge about this Barron family and who started this particular chat is Patrick B, hopefully he will reply as soon as he can.
Also if you read through all the postings on this forum u might get an answer.
In the meantime it would be nice to see the picture of David Barron aged 19 in 1872. George Barron 1808-1871 was my partner's paternal great grandfather.
Good luck,
Ray
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This is what is in the book in question.
(http://i.imgur.com/UsI5md7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R6Y1lcO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CpApOVe.jpg)
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Very interesting!
I would suggest that this is David Pearson Barron but I could be wrong. I know there is an age difference but the person in the picture looks older than 19 and the fact he is a 'cabinet maker' suggests this David Barron is Anthony Forster Barron's son.
Patrick usually responds very quickly to posts and I know he will find this very interesting if he hasn't already seen it.
I can only think he hasn't seen your posting yet and may be on holiday.
However, thanks for posting the info. Out of interest, any mention of a person with surname Crozier in your book?
Regards
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Very interesting!
I would suggest that this is David Pearson Barron but I could be wrong. I know there is an age difference but the person in the picture looks older than 19 and the fact he is a 'cabinet maker' suggests this David Barron is Anthony Forster Barron's son.
Patrick usually responds very quickly to posts and I know he will find this very interesting if he hasn't already seen it.
I can only think he hasn't seen your posting yet and may be on holiday.
However, thanks for posting the info. Out of interest, any mention of a person with surname Crozier in your book?
Regards
Thank you for your help. I was thinking it was David Pearson Barron who is my 3x Great Grandfather. I was also thinking that the person looks a little older than 19 in the picture.
I don't actually own the book a woman randomly sent me a message on Ancestry who has no connection to the Barrons saying she had picked it up in a charity shop for £1 and would I like the info.
Regards
Will
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Suggest you have a look at the last post on page 4 of the thread- this would indicate he was the son of John Barron.
There are some criminal records on FindMyPast which are probably him (1872 and 1878) but showing under the surname Baron.
There is a census record for a John Barron of the right sort of age living in Bykerin 1881 with wife and children. His occupation is cabinet maker.
William
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Came across this marriage and am posting in case it helps Barron researchers:
Tynemouth parish (Christ Church):
7 April 1877 John Edward Barron, 20, Bachelor, Engineman, Wellington St, son of John Barron, Cartman, married Elizabeth Mary Westman, 19, Spinster, Wellington St, son of Robert Westman, Farmer, witnesses Robert Westman (X) & Henry Walton.
Will pop it into a postem on FreeBMD also.
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William, you are obviously correct and for pointing out that it is clearly set out toward the end of page 4 with a mention about this David Barron and the actual book.
Although this doesn't directly affect the Crozier tree it is all very interesting and good to see a pic of a Barron.
What would be really good for the Crozier tree is if anyone out there had a pic of George Barron 1808-1871. He married Eleanor Brewis and they had no children but he did have one child, John Crozier/Crosier with a Jane Crosier/Crozier. When Jane died in 1850, John went into a workhouse 1851, then lived with his Uncle, Anthony Forster Barron and his then wife, Anne Pearson in 1852.
George Barron was the brother of John 1821-1868 and therefore the uncle of David Barron.
So if anyone knows of a pic of George Barron would appreciate help.
Many thanks,
Ray
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William, you are obviously correct and for pointing out that it is clearly set out toward the end of page 4 with a mention about this David Barron and the actual book.
Although this doesn't directly affect the Crozier tree it is all very interesting and good to see a pic of a Barron.
What would be really good for the Crozier tree is if anyone out there had a pic of George Barron 1808-1871. He married Eleanor Brewis and they had no children but he did have one child, John Crozier/Crosier with a Jane Crosier/Crozier. When Jane died in 1850, John went into a workhouse 1851, then lived with his Uncle, Anthony Forster Barron and his then wife, Anne Pearson in 1852.
George Barron was the brother of John 1821-1868 and therefore the uncle of David Barron.
So if anyone knows of a pic of George Barron would appreciate help.
Many thanks,
Ray
I have struggled to find any pictures of the Barrons. The one from the book is the only one I have ever seen.
I only have 1 picture of my Great Grandfather who was David Herbert Barron. My Grandmothers Mother apparently destroyed all pictures of relatives before she died :-[ which my Grandmother said included lot's of photo's of the Barrons! :-X
If anyone has any I would also be hugely interested to see also!
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Suggest you have a look at the last post on page 4 of the thread- this would indicate he was the son of John Barron.
There are some criminal records on FindMyPast which are probably him (1872 and 1878) but showing under the surname Baron.
There is a census record for a John Barron of the right sort of age living in Bykerin 1881 with wife and children. His occupation is cabinet maker.
William
Thank you for the reply William. Looking into it further you are correct and the David Barron in the book is the one you have mentioned. Son of John Barron
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Hello all! I read these posts with great interest. My 6th greatgrandmother was Eizabeth Barran who was christened 4 Nov 1694 in Corbridge, the daughter of Thomas Baron. Elizabeth married Matthew Hall on 28 July 1717 in Whickham, Co Durham. I appears that Matthew was born in Low Hand area of Whickham, but I do not know when. I have found only one child, Margery Hall chr 27 Dec 1719 in Whickham who married Richard Harding who was also from Whickham. I would be delighted if anyone could shed more light on Elizabeth or Matthew or any additional children they may have had. Thank you kindly! Sincerely, patrexjax
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Hi Patrexjax
Good message. It seems that you are descended from the wider Barron family of the Ovingham/Corbridge/Stamfordham area. The Stamfordham Barron's can only be traced to 1746, which is a little late for you. There is probably a connection between this family and yours but we can't prove it.
Best of luck with your research.
Patrick
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Patrick!
Delighted to see you are still with us - I have worries at my age! I wondered where you were as you normally respond to all enquiries immediately. Anyway very pleased to see you here again!
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Hello Patrick! Thank you for the response, altho it wasn't what I was hoping for! I'll keep digging in hopes of finding out more about Elizabeth. If I find anything more, I'll post it here! Thanks. patrexjax
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Hello Patrick and a very happy 2019.
Just perusing records and noticed in the UK City & County Directories of 1858 there is a George Barron, Furniture Broker at 3 Clayton Street and Anthony Forster Barron at 5 Clayton Street.
I just wondered if this George Barron is Anthony's brother and therefore John Lancelot Crozier's father?
Hope all is well.
Regards
Ray
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Hello Ray
We know from various trade directories that Anthony F Barron was working out of 5-7 Clayton Street in 1858 before becoming insolvent in 1859 when he is mentioned in newspapers as the manager of John Lancelot Barrow(?), who was working from the same address.
From the records we have, John L Crozier's father, George Barron (1808-71), retired Police Superintendent, was residing at Crofton Cottage, Blyth, Northumberland, but this doesn't mean that he couldn't have had a business interest in a furniture store in Newcastle at 3 Clayton Street? Given the proximity and the family connection I don't see anybody else it could be other than John L Crozier's father?
It's another of those strange twists that we're getting used to.
Best wishes
Patrick B
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John,
I was only looking today at my Great Grandfather's will and wondering how he was industrious enough to bequeath the 33 properties in Islington to my Grandfather. So I googled him and found this link.
My father, also an Arthur Alexander turned 90 this year and because his father died when he was 6 (in 1935) he's only had second hand knowledge from the older of his 7 (that we know about) now deceased siblings about their dad.
My father has already handed down to me the title of the grave of John Lancelot Crozier which he bought in 1869 to bury the first of the other three daughters buried at Kensal Green cemetery with him.
Any questions about our side of the family I'm happy to answer, if I can; my Grandmother is the first cousin of Fly, as she was known, the musical 'star' (Arthur Alexander Crozier senior's first wife) who I met when a boy as they (strangely) lived in the same family house in Croxted Road, Herne Hill, South East London.
I've failed to attach the Proof of Purchase of the grave which has some intrinsic value as the cemetery recently raised the ground by 6 foot giving us a further two graves which are very sought after!
Greg.
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Hi Greg
Just got notification that you contacted this Roots Chat. Have been here for a few years now and have learnt a lot about your Barron family. As you are probably aware - you are really a Barron and NOT a Crozier - Patrick who created this chat knows a great deal about the Barrons.
I would suggest that you go right back to the beginning and read all the posts - by the way I am Ray - Ray from Rustington - Edward and Ray - Edward's your cousin. If you want I can help you quite a lot as have been doing this for several years. If you read through the posts you will learn quite a lot about the Crozier/Barron family.
I used John Lancelot Barron as a username as he never seemed to use it again after his marriage.
Take care
Ray x
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Also Greg
I must ask, why do you say 'strange' that Fly and Mabel lived in the same house, they were cousins, and Mabel was your grandfather's lover having several children out of wedlock - I will tell you the story if you want - surprised your own father hasn't.
There are some very sad stories in the Crozier family - ever heard of 'poor Jessie' who was your father's aunt?
Anyway take care Greg - love to Jane and family from us both.
Ray
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Ray,
Stupid of me I should have read the first page of the trail! Mum said you'd done some comprehensive digging around!
Just by chance I had a good read of the Will last night and when dad mentioned that Lancelot was his middle name I thought if there was any anything about him, it would come up in google.
Yes, I've heard about Jessie, the fourth daughter, who spent her life in the institution and died there in the 70's(?), buried in the grounds that no one spoke of.
Best wishes and hopefully catch up soon,
Greg.
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Hi Greg
You were asking a particular question about how your Great Grandfather suddenly went from a House Painter in 1871 to owning tons of properties in Islington and in the 1881 Census he is a Gentleman with loads of ackers! His wife by then had left him for a Charles Maple with whom she had more children so you have even more relatives.
If you have read through the posts here one can only speculate as to where all this money came from. His father, George Barron, became a Police Superintendent, after which in the 1871 he is retired and listed as being a Shipowner. We also know from newspaper advertising that George Barron gave mortgages to people to buy properties.
So John Lancelot Crozier is George's only son - he had no other children. We know for sure that John was George's son because in the early 1850s he is living with his uncle Anthony Forster Barron, George's younger brother and this is confirmed by newspaper reports when John along with his uncle and aunt were arrested and charged with stealing. John said that Anthony was his uncle.
John and his Uncle were found not guilty but his aunt, Anthony Forster Barron's wife was imprisoned with hard labour?
So the question is, when George Barron died how much did he leave and to whom did he leave it? There was very little in the Will which was left to his wife. We may wonder where did his 'real' money go? Supposedly he was a shipowner and a person offering mortgages to people to purchase properties. Might this, as I surmise, been given to his son John for them both to prosper at some time in the future, who knows for sure?
Jessie Prudence - Her husband and eldest son, both named Edward Robert, disappear from our lives after the 1901 Census although Senior is mentioned in Electoral lists until about 1902. In the 1911 Census Jessie writes - against her sons name, 'abroad'. Have searched forever for them both but have not been able to find them. Suspect they may have gone to South America as Edward Robert senior was a butcher. If you are willing to accept this assignment, your job is to find out what actually happened to them! :)
Hope all is well and your father is okay. We did speak to mum a little while ago.
All best wishes R & E
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Ray,
Great summary of Barron/ Crozier history over the past 150 years!
I know Peter Hession was also investigating the family tree, I wondered whether he has come to the same conclusions?
Is there a George Barron marriage certificate available, my father was asking if a copy exists?
Thanks again, Greg.
p.s. have we any idea how Arthur Alexander Crozier senior managed to squander the equivalent of 350K + the capital in 33 properties? My mother said he only eat Dover Sole for dinner which indicates a slightly extravagant if not eccentric diet. Jack, Fly's son, once said to my father when he asked about their dad, that it was best he didn't know!
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...it reminds me of a quote from George Best - 'I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered'.
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Hi Greg
Yes I think the Best quote is spot on! Apparently your Grandfather was a SDJ!
Email me. My first name plus surname, if you don't know my surname after almost 50 years then shame on you! So ray--------@aol.com. Some things don't need to be so open maybe - but I love this chat site - have learnt so much!
Get in touch
Ray
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Hi Greg
Your father asks about a George Barron marriage cert. Who is he talking about? Obviously there is no marriage cert between him and John's mother as they were never married but there is a marriage cert between George and Eleanor Kirsop/Brewis.
Interesting that one of John Crozier's daughter's was named Ellen KIRSOP Crozier.
Terri always mentioned that Jessie Prudence Gapp/Crozier - your father's aunt - was referred to as 'poor Jessie'. Your Uncle Billy also referred to her as 'Poor Jessie'. Apart from both her husband and eldest son 'disappearing' in the early 1900s, Jessie Prudence supposedly had another child, Elsie Irene, born in 1914.
On the birth cert it names the father as Harper but I don't believe this child was Jessie's - I believe it was her only daughter's baby but cannot prove it. Elsie Irene also disappears after 1914 - was she adopted?
Later Jessie's youngest son Arthur Alexander dies in a mental institution in the '20s after being in WW1 and her only daughter hitches up with a married man and has two children by him.
Anything else you might want to ask let me know.
Ray
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Hi
Fascinating information.
My 7th ggf is David Barron, Stamfordham, 1714.
I am of the David>William 1756>William 1785>John 1825 line that immigrated to the US in 1800. Eventually ending up in Michigan. In wondering if there has been any new information on David, and ancestors/family in the Stamfordham area?
Thanks!
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Hello Jzwolensky:
Most of the theories about David's origins are in the earlier posts. There is evidence that David's eldest son John Barron 1746-1819 was Land Steward at Cheeseburn Grange, the local Manor House owned by the Riddell Family - which basically means that he ran the estate. If we go back further to David, the birth entry's for his children at Stamfordham state that he resided at Grange House Farm. Today Grange House Farm is exactly where it's name suggests, at the entrance of Cheeseburn Grange. I would suggest that David occupied a position much like his son during that particular period 1740's-60's?
Take a drive to Stamfordham today and all of the old farms associated with the Barron's are still there, Grange House, Nesbitt Hill Head, Harlow Hill, Rudchester, Street Houses, Dodley, Ouston, the village is still untouched, the old houses and pubs are still there and of course St Mary's Church and churchyard.
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Hi Patrick
Hope all is well? Long time no chat - what an awful year!
Knowing your Barron family expertise, I wonder if you can help?
I have been in contact with a Barron family ancestor on the Ancestry site. He had a grandma who he thought was the daughter of David Pearson Barron 1848-1882. However DPB cannot be her father as she was born in 1886 some 4 years after DPB's death. The mother was one Lottie Fuller who was 'housekeeper' to David Barron in the 1881 Census along with his son John aged 3, Lottie was his mother.
This person has since found a Birth Cert for his gran with the name of William Barron for her father. His occupation was a Clerk. Have you any idea which William Barron this could be?
The person has been on here - if you look back to page 6 - jonwood.
Families still amaze me!
Anyway, take care and stay safe Patrick.
Regards,
Ray
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Hi Patrick/Ray
Just to add to what Ray has already mentioned in his post. I have the following records for Beatrice Maud Barron. The birth certificate states William Barron as the father but Beatrice's full name on the certificate is Beatrice Maud Atkins. Now to me Atkins suggests a surname and why would you have that name there unless it relates somehow to another person/family so I think there is another party involved here and I wonder if William allowed himself to be added to certificate to maintain some decency for Charlotte (Lottie). To add further to the confusion Beatrice's 1921 marriage certificate it states that her father is John David Barron (deceased) occupation Joiner. Now is this a simple mistake which I think is unlikely or is this the "true" father if so what is the name Atkins all about? As you can see I am truly confused about this and do you think that it is possible William Barron was a made up person?
The other records I have are of Arthur Pearson Barron who like Beatrice was born (March 1883) after David Pearson Barron's death (Aug 1882) but crucially within 9 month's of DPB death so it is possible he is the true father. I also have baptism records for APB and they also state DPB as the father, so to me Arthur's parentage is understood which just leaves Beatrice as the great unknown at this point.
Jon
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Hello Jon - It seems the only certainty that everyone can agree on is that David P Barron is not the father.
If David P Barron -joiner/cabinet maker and Lottie were living together as common-law husband and wife and John & Arthur both had their father's surname, it may be that Lottie stated that the father was William "Barron"- clerk when in fact the father may have been William "Atkins"- clerk. Maybe it was done to protect the father?
Growing up it's possible that Beatrice had no memory of a father and "assumed" she had the same father as her two brothers? Maybe all three siblings went through life not knowing that their mother had never been married? It's possible Beatrice may not have known the name "David Pearson Barron", but knew her mother's husband was a joiner? Having been brought up with the same surname as her brothers ,upon marriage Beatrice may have submitted her brother's full-name as a cover?
Speculation. Complicated.
Best of luck to you.
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Hi Patrick
Thank you for replying and off the back of your speculation I decided to try the search from William Atkins angle and boom a baptism record for Beatrice Maud Atkins-Barron parents William (occupation Clerk) and Lottie, location Kensal Rise, the date is May 4th 1890 but an additional record shows a birth date that matches my grandmother Beatrice - so the mystery is now solved!
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Well done Patrick for your suggestion and to Jon for taking it up and amazingly quickly finding out the 'truth' which for all those years had been tucked away for future generations to discover or not.
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Hello all, fascinating thread here. I’m a descendant of Thomas Forster (1729-1804) and Ann Bell (1741-1815) via their daughter Ann Forster who married Leonard Armstrong. I’d be interested to be signposted to any links regarding them and their ancestors - there was reference to another thread?
Thanks!
Christian
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Hello Christian
I've found your Forster forum on rootschat, I'll post a reply there shortly.
Patrick
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Hello Christian
I've found your Forster forum on rootschat, I'll post a reply there shortly.
Patrick
That’s great, I’ll look forward to it. Thank you
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Hello! My name is Emily Barron and I believe you are talking about my ancestors in this thread. My dad Christopher Barron is from Corbridge and his father’s side were Catholic and from Stamfordham. So interesting to read all this and would be so cool to meet some long lost relatives through this post! I’m 28 years old and don’t really know much about my Barron side of the family and neither does my Dad! If I could try and confirm this being my family further it would be great! Thank you! Also, the picture of David Barron who stole champagne looks very similar to my Dad and my Dad said he has the Barron forehead my Dad has and his Dad had! All the best, Emily Barron
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Hello Emily - That's great. Why don't you begin by telling us the earliest person that you go back to and then we can link you in?
Best Wishes
Patrick B
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The furthest I can go back is Francis Robert Barron who married an Anne. They’re my great grandparents, if I remember rightly he built his house in Stamfordham. He was a beekeeper. They had 3 children, Anthony, Peter and Paul.
Thank you,
Emily