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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: judb on Tuesday 07 October 14 08:26 BST (UK)
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I have a photo which has a handwritten notation stating that it is Frank GOULDBY, Hussars in Canada early 1900s. This notation is not correct as Frank was certainly in Canada from 1910 to his death in 1913 but the census, immigration and death records show his occupation as 'fish merchant' or 'labourer'. Frank was born 1879, Kessingland Suffolk, married in Lowestoft and went to Canada with his wife and children in 1910.
His older brother Edgar GOULDBY (1874-1950) also went to Canada with his wife and family, remaining there until his death. Perhaps this man in the photo is him?
There is another Frank GOULDBY (a cousin) who enlisted in UK in WW1.
Hopefully someone may be able to help identify the uniform which would help me fit it into the family.
Previous R'chat thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=345240.0
Judith
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Hello I had a look at Canadian Attestation Papers There is a Thomas Edgar Gouldby born 28th Aug 1874 born in Lowestoft Suffolk England. Next of kin wife Harriatt present address 13 Pape Ave. Trade or calling Stoker. Could this be your Edgar. If you Google Canadian Attestation papers you can search and see it for free . There is also an Edward Gouldby's Attestation Papers born 17th Nov 1897 13 Pape Ave Toronto. You already have this I should have read the other thread first. Take Care Lynette :)
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Thanks, Lynette.
I'll have another look at the Canadian attestation papers but, from memory, they don't give much of an indication of the army placement.
I have plenty about Edgar and Frank other than wondering who this chap is. The handwriting looks as though it's my husband's sister who helped her mother label family photos many years ago.
Judith
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Thought I'd bump this up in hopes that some fresh eyes might see it! Judith
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The photo is much too small to see uniform details, any chance of producing a better copy ?
The notation on it may not be wrong. Whilst you know that Frank was not a full-time soldier, have you considered that he might have been a part-timer in the reserves ( the equivalent of today's Territorial Army in the UK) ? There seem to have been several Hussar regiments in the Canadian Army about this time.
Maec
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Thanks for your reply, Maec Unfortunately I have only a photocopy of the original photo. I am thinking you may be right, or it may be a photo of his brother, Edgar.
Perhaps I might try the Canada board as someone there may recognise the uniform. As I said, I think the notation came from my husband"s mother who was born in 1899. Her father Frank GOULDBY died in 1913 when Mabel was 14 so it's highly probable that the notation is not correct.
Thanks again, Judith
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I’m Edgar Gouldby greatgrand daughter from Toronto Ontario Canada
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Hello Lilly09
You share some ancestors with my husband. Your great-grandfather Edgar was the sixth child of Edward GOULDBY (1835-1910) and his wife Mary (nee DODDINGTON). My husband is descended from the seventh child, Frank GOULDBY (1879-1913), younger brother of your Edgar.
I have been able to trace this family back as far as about 1800. They are almost all in the eastern part of the county of Suffolk (England). The GOULDBYs were in the fish trade and many of them stayed around Kessingland/Lowestoft. I have visited some of the churches where marriages, christenings and burials took place.
My husband's grandfather Frank (as above) went to Canada in 1910/1911 as well as Edgar but he died in hospital in Toronto aged only 34. Frank's wife, Jessie, who had also emigrated returned to England with their two children so I think Edgar may have been the only one left in Canada.
I am happy to share what I've found if you are interested. I have a public tree on Ancestry (Dwyer, Ballard) which you're welcome to look at.
Cheers, Judith
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I don’t know much about my great grand dad or his family in the uk I would like to know more or find some family in the uk
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Hello again Lilly09
My husband's mother moved to Wales in about 1920 and did not keep in close contact with the wider family so we don't know anyone who still lives there. There are still some people with the surname GOULDBY in Lowestoft.
Do you have access to Ancestry UK? Some public libraries have access for free which would be worth using. There's some information on my tree and another couple of trees about the GOULDBY family, much more than I can easily pass onto you.
Here's the links for some Rootschat threads mentioning the GOULDBYs
Re the emigration to Canada:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=345240.9
Re the father George GOULDBY:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=739111.9
Good luck with it. Judith
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Good afternoon,
The uniform is basically a copy of a British hussars uniform. The Canadian militia cavalry all used the British 13th hussars uniform as a pattern. They had run a training school in Canada between 1866 and 1869 to give the militia formal cavalry training.
The Canadian army at that time was nearly all part time, they still had only about 3000 full time troops when ww1 broke out.
There were 2 permanent units at the time in question and 36 militia cavalry. Of these 11 were hussars, some were named some only numbered. The following are the numbers of the hussars, 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 17, 21 and 33.
Those in the know will instantly recognise the numbering as being almost identical to the British light cavalry regts. Only the 1st, 6th, 17th, 21st and 33rd are not hussars in the British army. We had no 33rd, 1st and 6th were dragoons and 17th and 21st were lancers.
So no way of telling from the photo which Canadian regt they are.
John915
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Thank you, John, for that reply which at least lets me know that it was Hussar uniform. my husband's grandfather and great-uncle went to Canada from Lowestoft, England in about 1909 -1910.
Edgar GOULDBY b 1874 - possibly known as Thomas Edgar GOULDBY in Canada (see below)
Frank GOULDBY 1879-1913
Edgar is not my husband's direct ancestor so I've not research him very far, but I know he stayed in Canada. Seems likely the photo is Edgar, as the birthdate lyn22 found for the attestation for Thomas Edgar GOULDBY is the same as our Edgar.
Frank sadly died in Toronto in 1913. Are Canadian military records on-line? I don't have a world-wide subscription to Ancestry so can't take it much further.
Many thanks for your info, greatly appreciated.
Judith