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I have the following children born Wragby area to Henry Chambers and Elizabeth Raby
Susannah Harwood Chambers b: 1794 in Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Henry Chambers b: 1798 in Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Robin Chambers b: 1799 in Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Rebecca Chambers b: 1804 in Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Chambers b: 1807 in Wragby, Lincolnshire, England
I also have a George Chambers b.1796, allegedly to the same couple but can't find a baptism. There is one for the right timeframe giving parents as Henry Chambers and Frances.
George married Sophia Espin in 1822, From freereg I found the marriage notes, witnesses are a James and Henry. This would support his parents as being Henry and Elizabeth and if true James would be a brother in law, Henry could be his brother or father.
County Lincolnshire
Place Wragby
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 33
MarriageDate 11 Feb 1822
GroomForename George
GroomSurname CHAMBERS
GroomParish Wragby
GroomCondition Bachelor
BrideForename Sophia
BrideSurname ESPIN
BrideCondition Spinster
WitnessOneForename James
WitnessOneSurname HARARTY
WitnessTwoForename Henry
WitnessTwoSurname CHAMBERS
Notes Groom signed X. Bride signed X.
FileNumber 1403
I just can't find a baptism proving his parentage although the census returns consistently show 1796-7 and Wragby for his birth.
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Hi
Have a look on Lincstothepast, Wragby registers are on there, including George's baptism. Most of the family give Elizabeths maiden name (Raby), bar Georges
Georges entry on 27 January 1796 simply says son of Henry Chambers (ratcatcher) and ?? his wife formerly Elizabeth Chambers.
All of the other childrens entries state father is a ratcatcher, so I think its probably be him.
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=560753&iid=130830
claire
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Thanks Claire
Lincstothepast is being a pain for me just now, nothing loading from the results page......again!! :'(
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George Chambers is my 4 x great grandfather. I have recently been helping my father do the family tree and have found a few interesting stories relating to 'Our George'. Did you know about his time stealing fowl, in court, in the lunatic asylum, life on the run, 'a wanted man', accused of murder or his time on prison hulks......? He sounds a very 'interesting' person.
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George Chambers is my 4 x great grandfather. I have recently been helping my father do the family tree and have found a few interesting stories relating to 'Our George'. Did you know about his time stealing fowl, in court, in the lunatic asylum, life on the run, 'a wanted man', accused of murder or his time on prison hulks......? He sounds a very 'interesting' person.
I know Sophia (nee Espin) had a little spell in court for handling stolen poultry (Lincs Chronicle Jan 22, 1841) and in the 1841 census she appears in the Kirton House of Correction.
The Henry Haggerty marriage witness is brother in law to George (being the husband of Susannah Harwood Chambers). The newspaper marriage announcement quotes George as a Fellow of the Royal Society. I haven't found much else about him though I have chased through a lot of Chambers names from the area as they are my direct line and I'm a direct descendant of George and Sophia.
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Most of our additional information has come from the newspapers, here is the first -
Stamford Mercury 27th November 1840 page 2
FOUR GUINEAS REWARD
WHEREAS GEORGE CHAMBERS, Brickmaker, being supposed to be guilty of a Felony, did leave his home, situate in Good-lane, Newport, in the City of Lincoln, on the morning of Saturday last:- the said George Chambers is about 40 years of age, and is about 5 feet 5 inches in height, has a light complexion, light brown hair and eyes, no whiskers, and turns out his toes in walking : he was dressed as a labouring man when he absconded, and had on a black hat and half boots : whoever will lodge the said George Chambers in any of her Majesty’s Gaols and give notice thereof to me, shall receive the above Reward.
JOHN WILLIAM DANBY, Solicitor to the Drinsey Nook Association for the Prosecution of Felons.
Lincoln, 19th November 1840
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I'm assuming a later article mentioning a George Chambers, lunatic, who escaped from the asylum is also connected?
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Correction to my earlier reply, I'm descended from Ann Chambers, abt 1798, (sister to George). She married a John Chambers who died in the Union Workhouse 25/11/1852.
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Bit more on George -
LINCOLNSHIRE CHRONICLE 27 January 1843 page 3
THE SAXILBY MURDER -
A man named Chambers, whose fimily resides in Lincoln, but who has been out of the way himself for some time past, has been apprehended at Kneesal, Nottinghamshire. About two years ago the premises of the late Mr. John Parker were broken into, and his fowls stolen ; two of the parties were apprehended and transported, but Chambers succeeded in escaping, and has kept out of the way until now. He will be committed on the charges of fowl stealing, and in the mean time inquiry will be made into the suspicions which attach to him as the murderer of Mr. Parker.
Of course it would not at present be proper to advert to the grounds for such suspicions.
STAMFORD MERCURY 27 January 1843 page 3
THE LATE MURDER -
Last Sunday night, a second attempt was made to break into the house of the murdered person, Mr. Parker, of Ingleby. There can be little doubt, from the satanic determination exercised in the murder, and the subsequent attempts upon the property, that the person or persons concerned live near the spot; and it is confidently believed that, if parties dare speak out, there are several in Saxilby who know to whom the instrument of the dreadful deed belonged; but into such a state of lawlessness have some of the population of Saxilby got, that fears for their own safety compel others to silence : there are 12 or 14 persons who have no means of living but from labour or dishonest courses, and who very seldom work. Last Friday, a man named Chambers was apprehended at Tuxford, and brought to Lincoln : he was implicated in a charge of fowl-stealing from the murdered man two or three years ago, and than escaped; an accomplice names Fieldsend was taken, tried, and transported. The wife of Chambers continued to reside at Lincoln, maintained by her son, who works in the brick-yard of Mr. Foster: it was discovered that Chambers sometimes came home in secret, and the son was apprehended and examined before the Magistrates, but was liberated again, having satisfactorily accounted for his absence from work during the last quarter of the day of the murder. At present there seems no ground for attaching any other charge to the father than that of the fowl-stealing. He was examined on Saturday, and remanded.
I also have his records from his time on Prison Hulks.
Can not be certain if 'George Chambers, Lunatic Asylum' is ours, I need to do more digging -
STAMFORD MERCURY 12 January 1844 page 2
Receipts
To Cash received of Treasurer of Lincoln Lunatic Asylum, balance in hand for maintaining George Chambers, a Lunatic, who escaped.......£ 8 6s 6d
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Thanks for those, I've finally tracked them down on the newspaper archive site.
The Nottingham Journal, Thurs 3 July 1879 has an article about a George Chambers of Worksop applying for relief for himself and his bed ridden wife. I know George was living in Union Street, Worksop in 1861 and 1871, returning to Lincoln prior to Sophia's death in 1880. I wonder if that article refers to him.
I've traced some descendants of George towards the present day but have several gaps still to work on, though I do know the following couple are different lines of the Chambers family tracing back to our rat catcher ancestor.
Arthur Henry Chambers was born 1914 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire and died 1962 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire. He married Louisa Chambers 05 Oct 1935 in St Faith`s, Lincoln, Lincolnshire. She was born 1910 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire and died 1990 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, daughter of George Henry Chambers and Sarah Jane Underwood.
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Thank you for the Worksop info. I knew that George was in Worksop, living with one of his daughters.
George Chambers was in court at Kirton, Lindsey, on 9th January 1835 for larceny...but this time was found 'Not Guilty'.
George was sent to the Prison Hulk in 1843.
Attested List of the 'Fortitude' Convict Hulk, Quarter ending the 30th Day of June 1843.
SB 8373 George Chambers age - 47 Stealing Ducks & Fowls Kirton 7 April 1843 7 years.
Attested List of the 'Stirling Castle' Convict Hulk, Quarter ending the 30th Day of June 1847.
SB 1972 Geo. Chambers age - 47 Stealing Ducks & Fowls Kirton 7 April 1843 7 years
Remarks - Paid 13 May 1847
This George (1796) had William, who had James...who then had Robert. This is the line we go down. How Robert Chambers worked as a Forman Fitter at Fosters, in Lincoln. Robert worked on the first tanks during WW1. His son, Christopher Robert Arthur Chambers, rode in the first prototype tank, on Lincoln Common.
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James and his siblings, together with my line had a bit of a stranglehold on houses in and around certain parts of Lincoln. They often come up almost as neighbours in the later census returns.
I have the will of my great grandmother, Martha Thorbon Palmer, (late Chambers, nee Elmer), in which she names a grandson Robert Chambers, b 1932, son of her late son Frederick. He is a complete dead end in my tree, his mother died in 1933 and his father in 1936. Martha was a Norfolk girl by birth, born in 1855 and became the oldest resident in Lincoln before she passed away in 1956.
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What I remember....from a long time ago, is meeting an 'Uncle Arthur'. He lived up the top end of Lincoln. He was a small chap and all I can remember is, he was really nice. I don't think I talked much, but he and Father did...! How, Father said that he was the youngest son of Robert (Forman - tanks). Another brother, Frank, he had two daughters who we called 'The Chambers Sisters'. I remember meeting them.
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I'm heading into new territory now as I haven't done much from James Grandfield Chambers, I have a number of children for him and marriages of a few but precious little more recent than that.
Names in blue are the children I have found a marriage for
Generation 1
1. James Granfield Chambers was born 1848 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire and died 1909 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire. He married Mary Jane Dale 12 Oct 1866 in St Mary Le Wigford, Lincoln, Lincolnshir. She was born 1849 in Revesby, Lincolnshire and died May 1931 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, daughter of John Dale and Sussannah Mason.
Children of James Granfield Chambers and Mary Jane Dale:
John Henry Chambers was born 1870 in Saint Mary Le Wigford, Lincoln, Lincolnshire
George Chambers was born ABT 1870 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire and died Jan 1874 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Robert Chambers was born 1873 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Chambers was born 1875 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Fred Chambers was born 1877 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire and died 1968 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Frank Chambers was born 1879 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire and died 1959 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Thomas Chambers was born 1881 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Margaret Ann Chambers was born 1884 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
George Edward? Chambers was born 16 Dec 1886 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Sussanna Chambers was born 1889 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Arthur Chambers was born 1893 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire
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What I remember....from a long time ago, is meeting an 'Uncle Arthur'. He lived up the top end of Lincoln. He was a small chap and all I can remember is, he was really nice. I don't think I talked much, but he and Father did...! How, Father said that he was the youngest son of Robert (Forman - tanks). Another brother, Frank, he had two daughters who we called 'The Chambers Sisters'. I remember meeting them.
I wonder if the Arthur you mentioned here would be Arthur Henry 1914-1962? (son of Fred b1877). Arthur married Louisa Chambers who traces back through my line to Henry Chambers/Elizabeth Raby.
The burial register for Arthur shows his address at the time of his death to be 8 Tower Avenue in Lincoln.
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My Uncle Arthur is this one -
Born 8 December 1892, baptised 12 March 1893 at St Mary Le Wigford, Lincoln.
Son of James Granfield Chambers and Mary Jane Dale.
He married Maria Ann Elwick in 1918
Lived just off Riseholme Road, Lincoln
Died 1987
Have you heard of the half brother to Christopher Robert Arthur Chambers?
Our Uncle Jim, who used to live in Canada? Same Father, different Mother.
James William Chambers was born on 4 April 1923 in Lincoln
Died in Vancouver, 2007
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That's all new information to me
I'm guessing Bertha Sharp and Edith Brown are the two names mixed in there?
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Yes ... that's our lot.
We have been looking at some more of the Chambers....not good news I'm afraid. Another story with violence and prison...!
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You must be pulling out a lot that I'm missing. I have a few news articles relating to my grt grandfather George Chambers (1842-1901) and his b-i-l George Graby, mostly surrounding their poaching antics though the article detailing how George took his own life is also amongst them.
I have a tribal pages site and some family photos on Flickr, if you would like an invite to the TP site send me your email address in a private message.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/50125734@N06/albums/72157623982423279
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Charlotte Chambers - born 11 June 1848, to John and Anne Chambers, baptised at St. Nicholas, Lincoln. Charlotte had a rocky life, she had two children before meeting he husband, George Andrew Bescoby, who she married on 5 February 1872.
George Bescoby appears in several newspaper articles. One of them is taken from
LINCOLNSHIRE CHRONICLE 25 December 1868
'......George Bescoby, a well known thief....'
They both appear in the following newspaper -
LINCOLNSHIRE CHRONICLE 14 June 1878 page 6
BRACEBRIDGE - Geo. Andrew Bescoby was sent down to prison for one month without the option of a fine, for assaulting his wife, Charlotte Bescoby. Defendant said in Court that when he came out of prison he would kill his wife, if he went to the gallows for it.
George went to prison, then died soon after his release.
The widow Charlotte then appears three more times -
16 January 1880 - assaulting Emma Foster
24 July 1896 - assaulting Elizabeth Bellamy ( a neighbour, over a wash tub )
7 October 1904 - hit a hawker on the head with a bottle of stout. The argument was about a rabbit the hawker had sold to Charlotte.
Charlotte died in 1923, at the age of 73.
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She was a nightmare to trace in the census, the youngest of the children to John and Ann from what I can tell. Buried at Canwick Road, Grave reference K/451
I haven't been able to trace John back at all but the two census returns he appears on don't give much away. It appears that Ann had 3 children before she married though the last one (Elizabeth) was not that long before the marriage.
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Charlotte had a grand daughter Louisa (b1910), she married Arthur Henry Chambers 5/10/1935 at St Faith's (they were neighbours in Newland St West on the m/c).
Arthur Henry (b1914) >> Fred Chambers(b1877)>>James Grandfield Chambers (1848)>>Henry William Chambers (1822)>>George Chambers (1796)
George 1796 married Sophia Espin who was convicted of receiving stolen birds in 1841, she gave birth to a son Uriah John Chambers in the Kirton House of Correction and both of them appear in the 1841 census there.
Uriah John did the trip to Sheffield with the family, appears to have married in the 1860's and there is a death of a Uriah John aged 34 in 1874 at Durham.
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I must admit to not visiting this forum for several months at least, but this caught my eye as George Chambers is my wife's 3 x Great Grandfather. My tree had his mother as Frances (surname unknown).
Checking why, I see it was from Ancestry births & christenings (which they got from FamilySearch I assume). The names match, but without dates & places then seems I probably took a wrong turn here. Probably one of those entries which have been in the tree for some time but have never followed up. I shall read the remainder of this page with interest now !
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Now I've had chance to have a look, I can see on Lincolnshire Baptisms it has mother as Frances or Elizabeth Chambers although the image looks clearly to be Elizabeth so I guess that's where I picked up Frances but not clear how it was transcribed thus.
Talking to my sister-in law, her father ( son of Kate Chambers who was d of William Henry who was s of George Thomas) there was always a family story about someone being tried for manslaughter. I don't know if that links into the suspicions around George and the Saxilby murder or not.
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The name George Chambers is a bit of a nightmare, I think I have around a dozen or so that I keep looking at from time to time and a few more that I haven't bothered with for a long time.
Chambers, George (1796 - 1881)
Chambers, George (1842 - 1901)
Chambers, George (1861 - 1861)
Chambers, George (1870 - 1874)
Chambers, George (1917 - 1917)
Chambers, George Edward (b.1860)
Chambers, George Edward (1886 - 1892)
Chambers, George Graby (1896 - 1897)
Chambers, George Henry (1868 - 1932)
Chambers, George Henry (1908 - 1909)
Chambers, George Robert (b.1884)
Chambers, George Thomas (b.1829)
Chambers, George William (1875 - 1941)
Chambers, George William (b.1885)
Chambers, George William (b.1905)
Chambers, George William (b.1908)
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Talking to my sister-in law, her father ( son of Kate Chambers who was d of William Henry who was s of George Thomas) there was always a family story about someone being tried for manslaughter. I don't know if that links into the suspicions around George and the Saxilby murder or not.
I have those names as listed down to Kate though nothing for her beyond baptism details, 30 Dec 1888, St Mark`s, Lincoln.
Edit to say I've just found the original marriage register on findmypast. I may go missing in the bmd for a day or two now ;D