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Title: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 19 November 14 17:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Forum Members,
Looking for documents in Italy, then send me a note.
Sometimes I have success and sometimes no.  No harm in trying.
I've lived in Italy now for 20 odd years.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 11 February 15 11:41 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am after a marriage for a Lorenzo Maganetti and Maria Corvi between 1810 and 1820 in Tirano, Sondrio, Lombardia, Italy. I am particularly interested in the names of Maria's parents if you have access to these records. Family Search has lots of Tirano records on line but they only start from 1866 and Maria had died before 1866.

Any help greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 11 February 15 13:51 GMT (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
The records for Tirano should be held by the State Archives of Sondrio.
Tomorrow morning when the office opens (half-day) will have a word to make sure they have the records for those years and if not who has. It could be only the parrochial records at the diocese.
The marriage certificate should have the parents name mentioned.
Let you know tomorrow what is happening and keep you informed.
If I manage to get hold of it I can send it and translate for you.

Steve :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 11 February 15 22:23 GMT (UK)
That would be great Steve. I know Maria was born 1795 and the first child I have for their marriage was born in Feb 1820 so the marriage would have been before 1820.

Look forward to hearing what you have found.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Thursday 12 February 15 00:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

I'm after the marriage of Angelo Marino Minni (b ca. 1846) and Emilia de Vita (b ca. 1847). I think they could have been married in Bagnoli del Trigno, Campobasso in the 1860's.

Angelo was born in Bagnoli del Trigno, Campobasso. They lived in Bagnoli and the first of their children that I know of - Costanzi Minni - was born in Bagnoli in 1869.

I would be delighted if I could find their parents names.

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 12 February 15 13:28 GMT (UK)
Hi sami,
This is a bit easier as the records will be held by the local town hall.  All being well the records have not been transmitted to the Archives.
Have e-mailed info and requested a copy of the marriage certificate.
For curiosity Bagnoli del Trigno  is in the Province of Isernia and the Region is Molise.
As soon as I hear will let you have a copy and translation. 
Will keep you informed.

Steve
 :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Thursday 12 February 15 17:32 GMT (UK)
This is a bit easier as the records will be held by the local town hall.

Hi Steve

Fingers crossed at this end.

A recurring story in my family is about a fire at the Bagnoli town hall which destroyed quite a few records.

Look forward to hearing from you  :)

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 13 February 15 10:34 GMT (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
Made a few phone calls.  The Archives do not have the records.  The Town Hall records start from 1866.
Parrochial Records ;  have sent e-mail to the three churches where they could have married.
Let you know as soon as I hear.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 27 February 15 17:52 GMT (UK)
Hi mixedupmob and sami
Not forgotten.  Still waiting and have sent a reminder to both.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Saturday 28 February 15 00:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the update Steve  :)

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mazzie74 on Thursday 12 March 15 20:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

There is a gap of birth records on the antenati.san.beniculturi site for the hamlet of Alpe di Stazzema, in the town of Stazzema, Lucca Province, Tuscany, Italy, for the years 1818-1822.

I have ancestors born in those years.

The missing years are held at the Archivio di Stato di Firenze.

They sent me one ancestors details but aren't very helpful in sending me more details.

I think they see me as a bit of a pest as I've contacted them loads of times.

I am looking for details of the births of children of:

Iacopo Mazzei and (Maria) Rosa Guazzelli (married before 1818);

Pietro (Gaetano) Mazzei and Giovanna Catelani (married September 1819);

(Giovanni) Lorenzo Bertellotti and Rosa Angela Mazzei (married January 1821);

Lorenzo Barsi and Lucrezia Mazzei (married October 1819).

Can you help?

If you can't supply the relevant pages, the transcriptions would be fine.

Thanks

Darin  (England).

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Saturday 21 March 15 00:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

My gg grandfather came from Liverpool to Australia in 1856 on the ship "Sir W F Williams" so he says, there is no record of him as a passenger, he was a mariner so he could have been a crew member, no record of that either. He said that he came from Trieste, Italy on his ship manifests when he worked in Tasmania on boats going from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia to Melbourne or Sydney, Australia. He was born 25/12/1832 and his name was Nicholas Bonachi or with a t Bonachit or it could be Bonniccia when pronounced sounds like my name now which is Bonnitcha with a silent t (Bonni cha). He also said on his nationalised papers that he came from Ragusa, Austria and that his parents were Marcello and Catarina no last name on either of them, it also says that Marcello was a seaman.
Any information on Nicholas or his parents would be greatly appreciated as I have also asked other people, but they seem to come up with what I already have. I know there could be some variations in the name but I don't know where he actually came from. I have had some relations who thought he came from Croatia and went to Croatia but they came up with nothing, so I am thinking he is Italian as lot of my Italian friends have said, but as they live in Australia they can't help me with anything.

Hope you can help me.

Thank You
Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Crazywelshgal on Thursday 09 April 15 23:42 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
Not sure if you can help in the slightest as I have no definate details - just info that we have been told. We are trying to figure out the mystery of my late nan's father ( BC States unknown) we have been told her sisters ( born 1942 & also deceased) has a Reginald Juggins who was italian and came over to hereford and/or Wales and died during the war. To be honest it sounds a cover story to me as I don't think reg juggins sounds italian in the slightest and we don't have copy of her BC yet. Just wondered if there was a way to find out if he actually was a real person & a serving soldier in Italy etc. I don't have any other details on him except that and not expecting a miracle ;-)
 Thank you
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Saturday 11 April 15 11:22 BST (UK)
Hi, l have been searching for anything on my Gt Grandfather in Italy all records he has only put Italy as place of birth, l have no date of him coming to Uk but he was married in 1882 but they already had 2 children my grandfather Francis 1877  and his brother Charles 1879 but have found no records of either of these births all other children of the marriage where registered .
His name was Francesco Travi born 1858 and he was a wire worker, his best man came from Como Italy and the boss of the firm which l think my Gt Grandfather worked for Peter Licari died whilst on holiday or retired back to Italy at Ville Albese   Prov Como Italy  so maybe my Gt Grandfather came from there , so to have rattled off and hoping you can work a miracle for me.
Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 24 April 15 13:30 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,
Sorry being late in replying, but here goes to all.
mixedupmob:  Church records are not digitised and very old.  Seems will take years for someone to sort it out.  Sorry that seems a no no.

sami: Short answer to my question from Bagnoli del Trigno - No records.  Again seems a no no.

mazzie74 : Probally because they would need a d.o.b.  Do the ancestor records have anything to do with them?  Let me know if yes or no.  Will then try and sort out even without d.o.b.

stephenbonn : First the surname would'nt be Bonachit, thats not italian.  Will try Archives under the name of Nicola Bonachi/Bonniccia.

crazywelshgirl : Juggins is'nt italian, but could have anglitised his surname.  Leave that with me and see what I can find UK/Italy.

reflector : It could well be Como for your Francesco Travi 1858.  Will write to the Archives and see.

As you can see sometimes it is easy and sometimes not.  Depends if the records are in handwriten volumes or have been digitilised.  I am still waiting after three months from Messina and several follow ups and telephone calls.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Friday 24 April 15 17:37 BST (UK)
Hi, Thankyou for giving it a try, l forgot to say that on Francesco's wedding cert he states his father is Francis a Tailor  dont know if this will help.
Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Friday 24 April 15 18:18 BST (UK)
sami: Short answer to my question from Bagnoli del Trigno - No records.  Again seems a no no.

Hi Steve:

Thanks very much for trying. Perhaps there's some truth to the family story about the town hall records being destroyed in a fire after all.

If you are still willing to search some more I've got a couple of other names and towns for you to try.

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 24 April 15 20:47 BST (UK)
Reflector:  Sandra lets see what we get from the Archives and take it from there.

Sami :  Must have been the fire.   Yes give me the names and I will try for you.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Friday 24 April 15 23:33 BST (UK)
Hi Steve:

Here are a couple more names to try:

Anna Maria Di Giacomo
born Sept 1872
Castiglione di Caroviglio, Campobasso
married Constanzi Minni ca. 1900

Her Father's name was Vincenzo Di Giacomo and she had 2 sisters that I know of - Brigita Di Giacomo and Maria Di Giacomo (those 2 emigrated to the US and became nuns).

Wondering if you can find out anything about Vincenzo, his wife or any other siblings.

Thank you again

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Crazywelshgal on Saturday 25 April 15 17:30 BST (UK)
Really appreciate that Steve thank you! Know it's a long shot and am convinced it's all nonsense but there's always that what if!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: slippery on Monday 27 April 15 12:14 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
My wife's ancestor was John Lando born 1836ish in Genoa he was British by birth according to all the Scottish Census's. He first appeared in Scotland age 15 in 1851. The family story was he escaped from Italy on a vessel which was crewed by a family member.
I have found a Giovanni Battista Lando born in 1831 in Moneglia near Genoa, parents Simone and Petronilla Marengo.

I have ship info where a Angelo Marengo and Giovanni Lando were crew.  It appears that he may had escaped while the Siege of Genoa was on in April 1849.
I have looked through the film on British Births in Genoa at the local Family Search with no luck.

Can you help please

Peter
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 28 April 15 11:35 BST (UK)
Hi Peter,
 I used to live in Rapallo 30 kms from Genoa on the coast.  Moneglia is in the Province of Genoa. The Birth records should be with the Archives.  Will send e-mail for Giovanni Lando 1831/1836.
See what I can find.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 28 April 15 12:58 BST (UK)
sami,
A bit of confusion here.
Campobasso is the capital of the Province of Campobasso, region of Molise.  There is no Castiglione di Caroviglio.
There is  a Castiglione part of the town of CAROVILLI in the province of Isernia, region of Molise.
Could be a mis-transcription in your records.  Where did you get the town from.
Please let me know and if it is as you say I will write to the Campobasso Archives and the Molise region Archives.  Btw. its not a problem for me, so don't worry.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 28 April 15 13:07 BST (UK)
stephenbonn,
Have written to Archives for Trieste and Archives of Ragusa under the name Nicola Bonachi/Bonnaccia b. 25/12/1832.
Mention Ragusa as it is a Province of Sicily.  Assuming "Austria" is a mis-transcription and maybe a town in Prov. of Ragusa.  Someone may have transcribed what they heard and spelt it wrong.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: slippery on Tuesday 28 April 15 14:16 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

My Wife appreciates what you are doing for us as we have been searching for over 15 years now.

I have all the Lando surnames Baptised between 1817 and 1837 at the Parracchia Santa Croce which were sent to me by the Pastor.

My John Lando died in Scotland in 1917. The crew member Giovanni B Lando was drowned when he was Master of a ship named Austerlitz which sank in 1871.

As my ancestor was British would he be Baptised John rather than the Italian Giovanni?

Peter

 
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 29 April 15 11:32 BST (UK)
stephenbonn,

Hi Stephen,
Just got a reply from the Trieste Archives. They do have these documents and suggested I write to the Historical Diocesan  Archives in Trieste.  Have sent them an e-mail.
Still waiting to hear from the Archives in Ragusa.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 29 April 15 11:35 BST (UK)
reflector

Hi Sandra,
Got a "clipped" reply from Como Archives this morning.  Must be someones "bad day".
Asked for my full address and fiscal code before they will research.
Replied with the details.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 29 April 15 11:53 BST (UK)
sami,

Have written to the Archives for Campobasso with the info. Hopefully if there has been a mis-transcription, they will pick up on it.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 29 April 15 13:05 BST (UK)
crazywelshgal,

Cannot find an equivelant in Italian for "Juggins". 
Checked the site for Commonwealth War Graves Committee to see if he died/casualty in WWI/II.
Only two are:-
James Herbert Juggins (RN) d. 14/07/40 and George Douglas Juggins (RN) d. 07/05/41.
So I would say he did'nt die in the War.
Checked Ancestry / Familysearch and only one coming up is Reginald William Juggins b.1915 and died  1973 in Herefordshire.
If you get hold of one of the Birth certificates that mentions him, it should have his trade.
Do you have any info on your nan's mother?
Do you have your nan's marriage certificate as that would give father and trade.
Do you have any other documents that relate to him?
Sorry not been more helpful, but any scrap you can think of let me know whether it be Italy or the UK will try and help.

Steve
(modified.  Forgot the surname Juggins originally Breton or Cornish)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Wednesday 29 April 15 13:53 BST (UK)
Hi, we all have bad days l suppose but lets hope it leads to some good news,
thankyou
sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Wednesday 29 April 15 15:51 BST (UK)
Campobasso is the capital of the Province of Campobasso, region of Molise.  There is no Castiglione di Caroviglio.
There is  a Castiglione part of the town of CAROVILLI in the province of Isernia, region of Molise.
Could be a mis-transcription in your records.  Where did you get the town from.
Please let me know and if it is as you say I will write to the Campobasso Archives and the Molise region Archives.  Btw. its not a problem for me, so don't worry.

Hi Steve:

I got the name of the town from my Dad and Uncle on a rare day when they were both happy to sit down together and talk about their family history. They knew very little about their Mother's family and I may have written things down incorrectly.

So it could very well be the town of CAROVILLI in the province of Isernia, region of Molise rather than Campobasso.

I really appreciate your efforts Steve, thanks again  :)

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: GingerVicky on Saturday 02 May 15 20:12 BST (UK)
Hi there,  my great great grandfather James whitehead worked in Italy in the 1800s.  He worked for a marine engineering company called Maudsley Field and son. One of his sons was born in palermo scilly.  I would love to find out more about what he did out there.  Are there any records that would tell me where they lived and what he did? Also I found a death record for a james whitehead in 1858 in Trieste which I kmow isn't near palermo but was wondering whether it was him as I know he died around that time. Do you have accessto that death record?  James was born in 1821 in Lambeth and was married to Mary. He had 5 children and also worked in spain.  Thanks in advance for any help.
Vicky
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Crazywelshgal on Wednesday 06 May 15 18:46 BST (UK)
Thank you ever so much Steve for looking into this for me. We have my nana's birth certificate which has no father named and have just ordered her sisters to confirm if this is true name or if it is also blank for father.
I have come across the Reginald Juggins in Hereford from a previous search and he is a possible for us as there is a story involving their mother going to Hereford to be with said mystery man and being turned away. It's either him or the name is made up completely for some reason. Hunt for the truth goes on!

Really appreciate your efforts - pretty sure the Italian soldier story is all fabricated!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 21 May 15 07:11 BST (UK)
UPDATE TO ALL REQUESTS
Have received one reply for "reflector".  Regards all others have sent reminders and still waiting for the info, so no one is forgotten. 

reflector:  Sandra received a reply from the Archives.  Suggested I write to  Diocese Records in Como.  Have done.  The Archives have no record of Francesco Travi b. 1858 as he born before the unification of Italy.  They have checked the military records they hold and no mention.  They say he may have served Military Service elswhere in Italy.  Let you know as soon as I hear anything.
As a matter of interest for your records have attached the letter and not translated as mentioned above the contents.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Friday 22 May 15 17:04 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, thanks for that but l wonder if Francesco came to UK to get out of military as  he would have been in his late teens early 20,s from the dates l have and could you explain what the unification of Italy was?















Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 23 May 15 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,
Its possible he fled Italy so as not to do military service. But how the system worked before the Unification of Italy in regard to military service I don't know.
Now the various little kingdoms or realms in Italy became unified on the 17th. March 1861 into one country - Italy.   So when researching it is neccersary to write for Church records prior to that date.  Some records are held by the various regional State Archives.   Not all Church records are held at the Parrochial Archives, so it you need to write to an actual church.  Thats why Italian research is complicated and difficult at times.  After 1861 BMD are held at the various town registry offices.  Do they always reply to requests?  Sometimes and sometimes no.  There is very little that has been transcribed and put on the internet.  Familysearch is doing their best to transcribe records at the moment, but it will take a long time.   
Hope that puts you in the picture a bit better now.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Saturday 23 May 15 10:54 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Steve, l did not know about the Unification.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 10 June 15 16:43 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,
Just got a reply from the Diocese Records of Como, not good news I'm afraid.
All records prior to 1929 are held by the Church in question.  At the moment there are 338, but up until the mid 1800's there were 494.
Born in Como could mean the Town of Como or in the Province of Como.  Latter meaning there are more churches. 
The surname Travi can be found throughout the Province of Como.
They suggested I contact the "Archivo Storico Diocesano of Milan" as they may have some records.  I telephoned them and they have no records.
They also say the only way to find any records is to contact every Church. Obviously not knowing the actual town at least, that is going to be a very long drawn out process and take sometime.  It could end up unfruitful.

What would like me to do?

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 13 June 15 21:08 BST (UK)
Hi Steve:

Thank you for the kind offer.  My ancestors were Irish and English; I just started researching for a friend - I don't know where to begin when it comes to Italian records.

I do not yet have full details, but I hope to try to eventually find a marriage in Italy (I know - it's a big place)  :-[ for a Simone Gimelli and Mary/Maria Durarte/Duarte c1901.  My research is early, but there is a possibility that Simone was born in Genoa, possibly "Loano, Genoa".  Simone was born in 1878 and Mary/Maria was born c1878.  We don't yet know where in Italy Mary/Maria was born.

Would you be able to find their marriage without knowing the exact date, or without knowing any location?  Thank you for reading my post.  Any feedback would be very much appreciated; thank you.  Lisa

PS  Simone was also known as Samuel when he lived in the states.
     Update:  According to the California Death Index, Maria Durante was born in 1878.
     We are now wondering if his name might actually be Gimelli Simone.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Friday 19 June 15 15:33 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, thankyou so much but l think that is asking just to much to search that lot, at least we can assume he came from Como as it was only a guess putting the other factors together, we think Francesco may have left under a cloud as apart from him saying he came from there nothing was ever said or not passed down which was very unusual from an Italian, we have never been able to find my grandfather or his brothers birth in London as they were born before marriage of Francesco and Sarah ( even as it was 30 years after birthregistration came into force) and even Sarah was a puzzle but we finally found her not born in London as stated and her name was Matilda Sarah it had taken us 5 years to find her so l think Francesco is a brick wall l will have to sit behind. I do hope to come to Italy next year and go to Como just to see where he came from.
Thank you once again for all your hard work.
Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Friday 19 June 15 15:36 BST (UK)
Just another little note no other Travi came to UK and all those named Travi   in UK are from my Great Grandad so thats something !!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou
Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: spades on Sunday 21 June 15 02:19 BST (UK)
Hi Steve62,

I am trying to help a friend trace her ancestor, Luigi Guiseppe BERRETTI, who was born in Italy (possibly Pesaro) in 1856 to Gysonon and Letitia (nee GALONE?) Berretti.

He was the eldest child of six. His siblings were; Giuseppe, Cesare, Assumpta, Isola and Teresina.

Luigi emigrated to New Zealand about the 1870’s, married in 1888 and had several children.

Any help you can give would be appreciated as the family knows nothing about Luigi's life or family in Italy.

Spades
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 18 July 15 17:56 BST (UK)
TO ALL WAITING A REPLY FROM ME.

I am still waiting for replies after sending reminders and apologise.  I have not forgotten.  Now is Italian holidays, so more waiting!!
Some news which might help in the future.
There is a Petition and  Consultation for Italy to have a "Freedom of Information Act".  This should enhance the current law.  Hopefully it will make it easier to obtain records.  Time span? Have to wait and see. 

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Monday 20 July 15 03:29 BST (UK)
Thanks for keeping us posted Steve  :)

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Lisa in California on Wednesday 22 July 15 06:35 BST (UK)
Thank you for letting us know, Steve.   :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 29 July 15 07:13 BST (UK)
GIOVANNI LANDO

Hi Peter

Just got this morning an e-mail from the State Archives of Genova.  There records are 1796-1812.
Suggested I write to Town Hall in Moneglia.  Have sent them an e-mail.
Being Italian Holidays it might take some time.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: slippery on Thursday 30 July 15 17:12 BST (UK)
Thank you very much Steve for taking the trouble helping us in the Lando search.

I obtained the baptism certificate from the Parish of the Holy Cross in Moneglia for
Gianandrea Baptist Lando
Simon's son
and Petronilla Marengo
legitimate spouses
born September 7, 1831was baptized on September 8, 1831

They had no further births. Lets hope the Town Hall comes up with information.

Peter
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 07 October 15 12:10 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

Thank you for attempting to find the information for me. Sorry, I have not replied before but I have not been keeping up with Rootschat posts.

Just one other question - where or to whom do I contact to find out about deaths after 1910 for someone who died in Tirano? I know I can access deaths from 1866-1910 as they have been digitalised by family search and are available for browsing on their web site.

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 07 October 15 12:54 BST (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
Italy was unified in 1861 and so all records after that date are held in the local town halls and or the Church records.
For 1910+  I would go for the Town Hall in Tirano.  They may not search if they do not have a date and or month to check.

Ufficio Anagrafe,
Comune di Tirano,
Piazza Cavour, 18,
23037  - Tirano(SO)
Italy

te: +39.342 708326   e.mail:  servizio.demografici[at]comune.tirano.so.it

If you want and send me some details I can try and get the info for you.  Its not a problem for me.


Steve

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Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Thursday 08 October 15 12:09 BST (UK)
Steve, thank you for your kind offer. The death registrations I am after are for the following people:-

Giovanni Pietro MAGANETTI died about 9 May 1932
Antonia GANDINI died about 6 June 1937
Pietro MAGANETTI died about 23 June 1932

I would like to confirm the actual date of death, parents and/or spouse of each. If the information I have been given is correct then Pietro and Antonia are husband and wife and Giovanni is their son.

Any information you can get will be greatly appreciated and I thank you for your kindness in assisting me.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 08 October 15 13:44 BST (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
Just sent an e-mail to the Town.  They should be able to find them given the dates more or less.
Don't know how long it will take.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Friday 09 October 15 11:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Steve.

I look forward to their reply in due course.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 02 November 15 14:52 GMT (UK)
mixedupmob,
Just got a letter from Tirano and have the 3 Death Certificates:-

MAGANETTI, Giovanni died 09/05/1932 at Tirano. Husband of IMPERIAL, Caterina
MAGANETTI , Pietro died 23/06/1932 at Tirano. Husband of GANDINI, Antonia
GANDINI, Antonia died 06/06/1937 at Tirano. Widow of MAGANETTI, Pietro

If you would like the Death Certificates I can scan them and attach here.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Monday 02 November 15 23:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

Thank you so much for getting that information and yes I would like a copy of the death certificates please.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 03 November 15 18:11 GMT (UK)
mixedupmob,
Hope I have attached the Death Certificates correctly.  Not translated as they seem self explanatary, but if you wish will do.
Should have mentioned:-

MAGANETTI,  Giovanni - died aged 46
MAGANETTI, Pietro - died aged 73
GANDINI, Antonia - died aged 77

Steve
Just tried and files are too big.  Send me PM with your e-mail.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Tuesday 03 November 15 19:51 GMT (UK)
Anna Maria Di Giacomo
born Sept 1872
Castiglione di Caroviglio, Campobasso
married Constanzi Minni ca. 1900

Her Father's name was Vincenzo Di Giacomo and she had 2 sisters that I know of - Brigita Di Giacomo and Maria Di Giacomo (those 2 emigrated to the US and became nuns).

Wondering if you can find out anything about Vincenzo, his wife or any other siblings.

sami,

Have written to the Archives for Campobasso with the info. Hopefully if there has been a mis-transcription, they will pick up on it.

Steve

Hi Steve:

Just wondering if you have had any response from Campobasso?

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 04 November 15 16:35 GMT (UK)
Sami,
 How embarrassing after all this time.
It slipped my mind to re-contact them.  Please accept my sincere apologies.

Tomorrow will telephone and see what has happened.   Once I have the B.C. of Anna Maria DI GIACOMO I should be able to find out about her parents as it will give their details and hopefully(usually) their year of Birth.

Will write you tomorrow and let you know what they have to say.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 26 November 15 18:10 GMT (UK)
Sami,
After a telephone call the other week and a promise to look, I received an e-mail yesturday.
They will write as soon as pratical, but they have a big workload on at the moment.

So looks like we are going to have a bit patience.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Thursday 26 November 15 18:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve:

Thank you for letting me know.

I don't mind having "a bit of patience" especially if it produces some results.

Thanks again for all of your efforts  :)

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 02 December 15 13:42 GMT (UK)
Sami,
ANNAMARIA  DI GIACOMO

Good news!!  Just got a letter with the BC from Isernia:-

The Birth on the 06/09/1871 at 8 o'clock in the morning of DI GIACOMO Annamaria in Carovilli, Isernia.  Daughter of  DI GIACOMO Vincenzo and RICCI Donata.

Footnote: DI GIACOMO Annamaria died on the 15/09/1958  at Bagnoli del Trigno.

If you would like a copy of the original document I will scan it and send it to you.

Steve :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Wednesday 02 December 15 15:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve:

Thank you so much for this - and yes, a scan of the original document would be wonderful  :)

Can hardly believe another name has been added to my tree - ranks right up there with one of the best Christmas presents I've ever had  :)

Thank you again for all your efforts.

Buon natale  :-*

sami
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 03 December 15 14:17 GMT (UK)
Sami,
Hope the certificate is attached.

Vincenzo & Donato when married and their parents.  A needle in a haystack.
I would need to know month and year they were married and where, otherwise the town hall will not check their records. 

Let me know if you have any dates and places.

Steve

PS. Just got a message "the file is too large".  Send PM with your e-mail.

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sami on Thursday 03 December 15 16:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve:

Just sent you a PM with my email.

I'll do some looking and see if I can dig up some information on the month and year Vicenzo & Donato were married.

sami  :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Ninatoo on Thursday 24 December 15 04:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

I know it's a busy time of year, so I will try to be patient awaiting a reply.  ;)

I would love to find out more about my Granelli family. My great grandfather Camillo Francesco Granelli was born about 1878 in Santa Maria Del Taro. His brother Agostino born about 1874 in Bedonia.  Their parents were Francisco Granelli and Maria De Lucchi (sp) and both were deceased before 1908. I would like any information on any of them, and of course it would be great to go back a generation too.

Fingers crossed!

ninatoo
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Fogmoose on Tuesday 29 December 15 06:03 GMT (UK)
 :)

Steve;

Just want to say Happy Holidays! And thank you for all the help you provide here! Where in Italy do you live?

My ancestors came from Toritto and Grumo Appula, two small towns very nearby each other about 15 Minutes inland from the coast of Bari.

I would love to find some information on the death of my great-grandfather, Vito Antonio Silecchia. I think he died in Grumo sometime between 1910 and 1915, but I am not sure. He was born ~1854 so I cannot find his birth records, but I have found lots of brothers and sisters. The Silecchias had large family's....my father is the youngest of 12 children.

Again, thank you for taking the time to help people with there searches! May you have a great year in 2016 for you and your family!


Richard Florio
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Fogmoose on Monday 04 January 16 07:05 GMT (UK)
Forget about my request Steve, I located the death records online! Happy New Year!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 04 March 16 08:50 GMT (UK)
ninatoo,

My apologies for the late reply!!

Will get back to you later on today.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 04 March 16 13:18 GMT (UK)
ninatoo,

Before I do anything I telephoned the Comune di Bedonia.  They are now charging euro.14.00 per certificate. 
Are you looking for the BC's of Camillo and Agostino?  Regards MC of Francesco and Maria - do you have a date for which they can search?  If you want certificates I can ask the Comune to search and let me know if they have them and the total cost.  I can then pass it on to you with details of how to pay.

I have never paid for certificates before in other Comune.

Let me know what you want to do or if there is any ther help I can give you.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Relsearcher on Saturday 12 March 16 08:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve - just wondering if you could help me as I'm not having much luck myself!

I'm looking for the marriage of my distant cousin - as there is no record of it in the UK registers I am thinking they got married in Italy. 

Her name was Kathleen Marie Short and his name was Giulio Silvio Grizi (Conte apparantely).  The marriage was in 1926 and I'm guessing Rome as their address when she died in 1968 was Via Emanuele Gianturco 5, Rome.  Her mother's name was Margaret Short nee Moore (died 1960 in Rome) and her father's name was Henry George Howell Short (died 1917 London).

If you can help at all that would be great!

Thanks so much, Nina
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 12 March 16 14:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Nina,
There are 15 Town Halls in Rome and as we do not know which one I have written to the main one.  Have supplied all the info you gave and asked where I might find the info ie. which  Town Hall - given the address you gave me on death in 1968.

Will let you know the prgress as soon as I hear something.

Steve
 :)

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Relsearcher on Saturday 12 March 16 18:12 GMT (UK)
Steve - that's fabulous and so kind of you!  Wow - 15 Town Halls!  I had no idea!  I look forward to hearing from you when you have some news - thanks again, Nina
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Fogmoose on Wednesday 16 March 16 04:34 GMT (UK)
Steve;

I have a question that perhaps you can answer. I have been researching for some time now and I have found several of my families marriage certificates. In some of the older ones, there is a listing of documents that the spouses and parents provided such as BC and Death certificates if a parent was deceased. What I am wondering is, are the details of these documents recorded and filed with the marriage certificates? I know I have not found any images of them. Perhaps they were not allowed to be micro-filmed? Is it possible to write to the communes and request this information? Or can they be searched in person at the Provincial Archives in Italy? Or maybe they were not saved and were discarded?

Hope you are having a nice year and Thanks for all the help you provide!

Richard Florio
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 21 March 16 12:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard,
Sorry for the late reply - don't seem to be getting alerts when someone makes a posting on "Italian Research".

If there are any dates on the MC of the parents, such as Birth or Death I can probally obtain them from the "Comune" as long as they are after the Unification of Italy in 1870.  Prior to this some Provincial Offices may have the records.  If not it would be Church records.

Let me have some dates or a scanned copy of one of the MC. 

Steve

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Fogmoose on Wednesday 23 March 16 00:48 GMT (UK)
OK Steve No Problem, Let me see which ones I need the most...there are a few but I don't expect you to spend too much time with it, So I need to prioritize.

Unfortunately, I am dealing with lots of family issues right now and also this is Easter week, so we will have to put this aside for now. I will get back to you in a few weeks. Thanks and Have a nice Holiday!


Rich

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Ross2014 on Wednesday 23 March 16 12:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the opportunity to ask for advice/assistance.

I'm looking for two possible Italian ancestors and don't know where to start finding Italian records. They married and had children in Losone, Ticino, Switzerland, but the Church records state they came from the Kingdom of Sardi (now part of Italy I'm told), so I'm interested in birth records there if any exist.

The first is Victor CARMINE. Records I've found state he came from Cannobii, Sardi. According to those records, he would have been born around 1772 with his father named Caroli Antonii CARMINE, mother unknown.

The second is Maria Angela DELL'ORO (also seen written as just Angela or Angela Maria). Records state she came from Intra, Sardi. She would have been born around 1784 with her father named Petri DELL'ORO and mother Maria (surname unknown).

From looking at Google maps, I've assumed the modern places are Cannobio and Intra, both in Verbano-Cusio-Ossola, Piemonte, Italy. Please correct me if you think that is wrong.


Any suggestions on how to further my research would be gratefully received.

Thanks,
Ross
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 23 March 16 13:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Ross,
Thats a challenge - not been that far back yet.

You are right both towns would be in Verbania, Piemonte on the border with Switzerland.
To start have sent an e-mail to the State Archives in Verbania  to see what they have and if not where I can search in the old records.
It is possible they hold records, depends if they have been transcribed from the old Church records.
Another place of search is the diocese records for Verbania.  I once tried for some records for the very early 1800's in Lombardia and was told they were locked in a room and had'nt been looked at for years and needed an expert.  No date given when though.

Leave it with me and we'll see what they  come up with first and then take it from there.
We might need a bit of patience before they reply  :)

Steve

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 23 March 16 13:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

did you get all the notifications?

Dawn
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 23 March 16 16:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Dawn,

Yes I did and thanks again for the advice.

Steve :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Ross2014 on Thursday 24 March 16 03:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Ross,
Thats a challenge - not been that far back yet.

Hi Steve,

Yes, I hadn't noticed any others that far back, but I thought I won't know what's possible if I don't ask :)

Thanks for having a go. I'll wait and see if you turn anything up (with patience of course).

Regards,
Ross
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 24 March 16 12:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Ross,
Surprise this morning, got a reply from the  Archives.  They do not have the records, but suggested I write to Parrochial Archives of Cannobio.
Sent an e-mail this morning and just wait now and see wht they have to say.

Steve
 :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Sunday 17 April 16 00:46 BST (UK)
Hello Steve,
Could you please help to find a birth record for Maria Canova born 17 March 1890 at Possagno in Treviso province.  Her parents were thought to be Francesco Canova and Margherita Perizzollo.  Would also like to obtain a copy of Maria's marriage record to Antonio Rostirolla on 13 November 1913 also at Possagno.  Maria and Antonio migrated to Australia.  Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 17 April 16 07:34 BST (UK)
trevthecat,
No problem.  Have written for the records. Her BC will show her parents and the address where she was born.  The MC will also show the parents of both and their professions and addresses.  Or should do.
Might take time.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Sunday 17 April 16 11:22 BST (UK)
Thank you Steve.  Really appreciate your help.

Will be interesting to see what records you can access in that area.  The FamilySearch records seem to be a bit patchy in that region.

Regards
trev

 
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 18 April 16 13:15 BST (UK)
Hi Trev,
Speed of lightening, never happened before, got both certificates this morning!!

The BC of Maria states born 17/03/1890 at Possagno, Treviso and parents were Francesco Canova and Margherita Perizzolo.  No other info other than the register number.
The MC of Antonio Rostirolo and Maria Canova states the date "05/01/1914" and not 13/11/1913 as that does not exist.  The MC gives their names, place and date of Birth.  There are no parents names mentioned unfortunately.

If you like the original documents, which are self explanatary send me a PM with your e-mail and I will send them to you.

Out of curiosity I trawled the web and found the following and think it might be the family of Antonio or you may have this info:-

Francesco Rostirolla (no dates)  &  Angelina Cunai (no dates)  married (no date)
children:  Angelo (no date); Benedict (no date); Francesco 1877-1953; Luigi 1880-1959 and Antonio 1889-

Steve   
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Tuesday 19 April 16 07:01 BST (UK)
Steve,

Thank you and also for the extra information.  Not sure where that Francesco fits in.  Apparently Rostirolla is a very common name in that area.  I will PM you as I do like to see original documents if I can.

trev
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 19 April 16 07:53 BST (UK)
Trev,
Got your PM message.  Send me one now with your e-mail and then I will send the documents.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: hevside on Wednesday 27 April 16 07:26 BST (UK)
Hello
I Am looking for the birth of Matilda Capocci who was born about 1915. I believe she may have arrived in UK during WW2 from Italy and she married here in 1942 and stayed.
Thanks
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 27 April 16 12:41 BST (UK)
Hi hevside,
Thats a real needle in a haystack and not possible without further info.  I.e. place of Birth at least.
There are very few Italian Records on line and you have to the local register offices or Church records, depending on date.
It is not possible to check a name with a date here as there is no central register as in the UK.
If you can provide me with some more info I will be happy to help you.
As a matter of interest I checked the London Aliens Register at the  National Archives and no result.  All aliens were required by law to register with the police and they are a good source of info.  Again unfortunately nearly all were destroyed during the bombing in WW2.  In this respect if she lived outside London there is a slight possibility a record may have survived.  I was lucky sometime ago looking for someone in Salford,Lancashire.  The records had been destroyed, but in an old police station closed they found  register.  So it is possible sometimes.
Let me know if I can help in anyway.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: schio on Tuesday 31 May 16 03:46 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, greetings from Australia. My relatives lived in Tarquinia, Lazio.  I have been to the Commune di Tarquinia twice but they have not been helpful, probably because of the language barrier (although I did have help from a local).  I have been looking for any information on my great grandparents Nicola Di Bartolomei and his wife Maria Romani. To find a marriage would be heaven and possibly disclose their parents.
Nicola Di Bartolomei was a peasant who worked and traded in grain and cattle, he died with debts.

I know Maria died during ww2 either in Tarquinia or Santa Marinella, may have been 80 when she died - so born in 1870

Their first child (Margherita Di Bartolomei was born in Tarquinia in 1894 - my grandmother - she died in Geelong Australia) so I assume Nicola and Maria married in about 1894. Any help would be so appreciated.  I live in hope that one day I can find a lead.  Thanks Schio
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 31 May 16 07:26 BST (UK)
Hi schio,
Yes they can be a bit awkard here sometimes.   I have had problems getting documents for people and never get a reply.
I'll write an e-mail to the comune and see what happens.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: schio on Tuesday 31 May 16 08:26 BST (UK)
I would be so so grateful.  I have come to a dead end.  This is the last uncharted part of my wonderful Italian tree.  When I saw your post I thought wow....this could be the start of something Schio
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Friday 17 June 16 05:37 BST (UK)
Hello Steve,
Is it possible to obtain copies of a person's military records - i.e. for someone who might have served in the First World War?  Thank you.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 17 June 16 15:17 BST (UK)
Trevthecat,
Might be possible
Let me have details.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Relsearcher on Tuesday 21 June 16 13:11 BST (UK)
Hi Steve - just wondering if you might have heard anything from the Town Halls in Rome re the marriage in 1926 of Kathleen Marie Short and Giulio Silvio Grizi?  Many thanks, Nina
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Yvonne_W on Wednesday 22 June 16 23:36 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, wondering if you'd be so kind as to help me. I am looking for a Francesca Todaro who was born in Villa San Giovanni, Reggio Calabria on 2nd April 1926. Francesca married a Gilbey in 1947 and came to England. She died last year here in England. Would love to know parents or siblings if that's possible? I've researched Ancestry and other websites with no joy.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 23 June 16 06:50 BST (UK)
Yvonne-W,
No problem, have sent an e-mail to the Villa San Giovanni.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Yvonne_W on Thursday 23 June 16 12:43 BST (UK)
Many thanks Steve.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 23 June 16 12:53 BST (UK)
Hello Steve,
Is it possible to obtain copies of a person's military records - i.e. for someone who might have served in the First World War?  Thank you.

Trevthecat,
Presume its you.
DE FILIPPIS, A  WWI Service Records doctor in Italian Forces.
The Florence Archives have replied and said we need a date of Birth.  With that info I can write to the Military Authorities for his  record. They also say if he wasa doctor he would have been an officer in the army.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 23 June 16 12:56 BST (UK)
I would be so so grateful.  I have come to a dead end.  This is the last uncharted part of my wonderful Italian tree.  When I saw your post I thought wow....this could be the start of something Schio

schio,
Not heard from anyone yet, but there have been a couple of months campaigns for local elections, now finished.  Give them a weeek and then will remind them.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 23 June 16 12:59 BST (UK)
Hi Steve - just wondering if you might have heard anything from the Town Halls in Rome re the marriage in 1926 of Kathleen Marie Short and Giulio Silvio Grizi?  Many thanks, Nina

Relseacher,
Not forgotten - see my reply to  "scio".

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Relsearcher on Thursday 23 June 16 18:58 BST (UK)
Thanks Steve ...  :D
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: schio on Friday 24 June 16 03:28 BST (UK)
Very Grateful Steve.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Saturday 25 June 16 03:21 BST (UK)
Steve,  Sorry for the delay in replying.  De Filippis would be another researcher's enquiry. 

I am looking for the records for two gents:  Mauro Azzollini born 2 April 1893 at Molfetta in Bari Province (parents were Cosmo Damiano Azzollini and Maria Coppolecchia) and the other is Bernardo Gatti born 29 September 1881 at Melara in Rovigo Province (father may be Guglielmo Gatti but not confirmed).
Both gents migrated to Australia but it is not clear if they did their military service as required or actually served during the First World War as per family stories.
Thank you for your help.  Much appreciated.
trevthecat
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 12 July 16 16:14 BST (UK)
Yvonne-W,
Just had a reply from Villa San Giovanni, Calabria.
There is no TODARO, Francesca born 02/04/1926 in their registers.
Was the info you gave me from an official document?

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Yvonne_W on Wednesday 13 July 16 13:38 BST (UK)
Hi, yes, the information came from Francescas death certificate which her daughter has. Thanks for trying anyway. We definitely know she was born in Villa San Giovanni, but perhaps she was a bit older or younger than she said. Since my last post I've found out her parents were Rocco & Angela Todaro.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Monday 05 September 16 09:23 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

Is it possible to get a marriage certificate when I only have one of the parties names? The marriage took place in Tirano. I am attaching part of a birth registration that I found on FamilySearch and I would dearly love to know the groom's name.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 05 September 16 17:01 BST (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
First no attachment of Birth registration.

Secondly - It is possible to find with one name, but do you know the date or at least the year?
They won't search with a date or a year.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Tuesday 06 September 16 07:33 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, sorry about the attachment but I was having trouble getting it to attach and then tried to delete the post without success.

Having another go, if it does not work then the brides name is Maria Maddalena Moraschinelli, born 2 June 1891 and the groom is Antonio ? - cannot make out the name. The date looks like 18 February but year could be either 1907, 1917 or 1927 - I am having trouble reading it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 06 September 16 12:26 BST (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
On the left hand side it states:-

MORASCHINELLI, Maria Maddelena on the 18/02/?? contracted in marriage with ??????  Antonio in the town of Tirana, Sondrio.   Signed The Registrar - 16/04/1927.

I would say as the annotation was made on the 16/04/1927 that the marriage must have took place on "18/02/1927".  I have written for a marriage certificate with this information.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 07 September 16 06:21 BST (UK)
Thanks Steve, that is what I thought it said.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Saturday 10 September 16 05:21 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
I know that you are busy, I was just wondering if you have heard anything from Ragusa or Trieste yet, you said in your last post last year that you was waiting to hear from them.

Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 10 September 16 07:08 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
My sincere apologies - Just had a look at my notes and realised I had not replied to you.

The Historical Diocesan Archives in Trieste have no records.  Asked me if I knew the Church.   So dead end there I'm afraid.

Ragusa - Wrote don't know how many times, but never replied.

Don't give up.  As you have jogged my memory I will on Monday telephone Ragusa.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Sunday 11 September 16 00:06 BST (UK)
Thanks Steve, I will wait for your reply, don't apologise, I know that you been busy.

Cheers Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Sunday 11 September 16 00:08 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

Did you know that Nicholas's parents names were: Marcello and Catarina ?

Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 12 September 16 14:19 BST (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
On the left hand side it states:-

MORASCHINELLI, Maria Maddelena on the 18/02/?? contracted in marriage with ??????  Antonio in the town of Tirana, Sondrio.   Signed The Registrar - 16/04/1927.

I would say as the annotation was made on the 16/04/1927 that the marriage must have took place on "18/02/1927".  I have written for a marriage certificate with this information.

Steve

Hi mixedupmob,
Just got a reply from Tirano.  They cannot find any marriage registration for Maria Maddelena Moraschinelli for the year 1927.  They apologised and said without the year it would consume time looking through all the previous years.   I think we should appreciate that they have limited  personnel and other work to expedite.  The town hall Registers Offices in Italy have a lot of work dealing with people who claim residency, change of residency,permission to stay, visas, Identity cards, passports and a lot more.  So I think it is fair to say they have little time to research without dates. 

In the end I think our assumptions that they married in 1927 is wrong - it could have been 1926 or before and that it was only registered in 1927.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Tuesday 13 September 16 06:24 BST (UK)
Thanks for trying Steve. I appreciate that they even looked outside the date we assumed was correct. Maybe one day I will find out.

Thanks again for the effort you put in for me and others it is greatly appreciated.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: slippery on Tuesday 13 September 16 09:25 BST (UK)
Steve

Have you had any reply from the Town Hall in Moneglia re Giovanni Lando yet. I see from all the topics that it is a full time job for you.
Quote

Thank you very much Steve for taking the trouble helping us in the Lando search.

I obtained the baptism certificate from the Parish of the Holy Cross in Moneglia for
Gianandrea Baptist Lando
Simon's son
and Petronilla Marengo
legitimate spouses
born September 7, 1831was baptized on September 8, 1831

They had no further births. Lets hope the Town Hall comes up with information.

Peter
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 30 September 16 13:10 BST (UK)
important

My apologies to everyone.  Computer crashed and lost everything - now repaired.
I cannot remember where I have written in Italy for details.
If you are waiting for me, please let me know and I will start again.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: slippery on Friday 30 September 16 17:21 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
Sorry to hear about your computer crash I had one last year ended up getting a new one. I lost lots of family info but gradually getting some back.

My query was about my wife's ancestor John Lando who was British and was born about 1836 in Genoa.

GIOVANNI LANDO

Hi Peter

Just got this morning an e-mail from the State Archives of Genova.  There records are 1796-1812.
Suggested I write to Town Hall in Moneglia.  Have sent them an e-mail.
Being Italian Holidays it might take some time.

Steve

Thank you very much Steve for taking the trouble helping us in the Lando search.

I obtained the baptism certificate from the Parish of the Holy Cross in Moneglia for
Gianandrea Baptist Lando
Simon's son
and Petronilla Marengo
legitimate spouses
born September 7, 1831was baptized on September 8, 1831

They had no further births. Lets hope the Town Hall comes up with information.

Peter
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Thursday 06 October 16 23:42 BST (UK)
Hello Steve,
Sorry about your computer problems.
Would really like to find military records for Bernardo Gatti who was born 29 September 1881 at Melara, Rovigo Province.  His family would like to know if he served in World War I.

Thank you for your help
trevthecat
 
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 07 October 16 11:18 BST (UK)
John/Giovanni LANDO

Hi Peter,
Town Hall have replied and said they do not have the records as  it is before the unification of Italy.  They said the only way would be to try Church records.  In that case we would need to know if he was born in Moneglia. 

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 07 October 16 11:21 BST (UK)
trevthecat,

Will write to Rovigo State Archives first and see what they come up with.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Friday 07 October 16 23:34 BST (UK)
Thanks, Steve. Will see what happens. It would be great if we could find this.

trevthecat
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 18 October 16 16:37 BST (UK)
trevthecat,

Just got a reply from the Rovigo Archives.  They have no documents relating to Bernardo GATTI and he does not result in their Military Records.

Sorry I could not help this time.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: trevthecat on Tuesday 18 October 16 22:39 BST (UK)
Dear Steve,

Thank you very much for trying.  Your efforts are always much appreciated.

trevthecat
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: John Bell on Wednesday 26 October 16 06:42 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

How would I go about finding a Birth Certificate for;

Mario Alberino. Born:19 July 1913. Probably Isle of Capri.

Parents Enrico? Alberino (fisherman) & Maria Rosa Ferraro (B.1888).
Probably married not long before 1913 in Isle of Capri.

It is the parents marriage I am after so I am hoping the sons Birth Cert will give me some clues.

Regards,
John.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 26 October 16 12:50 BST (UK)
Hi John,
No problem for me.
Have sent an e-mail to Capri this morning requesting the BC of Mario Alberini.
I have also asked if it is possible  for them to search for the marriage of his parents, which would be 1912/1913.
As soon as I hear will let you know.

Regards
Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Monday 14 November 16 11:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

Would you be able to get a marriage certificate/registration for me please.

The bride was Caterina Maria Maganetti and the groom Pietro Della Vedova. The date of the marriage was on or about 24 July 1911 but no later than 26 July 2011. The marriage was supposed to have taken place in Tirano.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 14 November 16 11:40 GMT (UK)
mixedupmob.

No problem,have written requesting MC.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 28 November 16 18:19 GMT (UK)
mixedupmob,

Just got a reply from the "Comune di Tirano":-

"There is no resulting marriage between DELLA VEDOVA, Pietro and MAGANETTI, Caterina Maria per the year 1911 in the town of Tirano".

 So the question is where did they get married - in a town nearby maybe, but which?

Sorry I could not help. Post me if you have anything else  - only too pleased to help.


Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Monday 28 November 16 22:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks Steve. That explains a few things for me even though I was always told that was the date of marriage for Pietro and Caterina it was not noted on either of their birth registrations like most other marriages have been.

I have another marriage that I am after. It is for Giovanni Antonio Accerri. The marriage took place on or about 7 March 1921 in Tirano. I know this one took place as it is noted on Giovanni's birth registration but I cannot make out who he married.

Thanks for your help.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Sunday 11 December 16 18:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,
I am doing a bit of research for a friend. Her father (whom she barely knew) died in March 1987 (aged 75) in Ventimiglia, Imperia, Liguria, Italy. His name was Eric Anthony Spencer Batchelor, he was an OBE & also awarded the Military Cross in the war. He does not appear to be on the list of British Nationals dying overseas so perhaps not reported to the British Consul. She has a photograph of the gravestone but needs a death certificate in order to apply for his army records. I wondered if there was any possibility of finding out if there is a death certificate available from the local archives and, if so, how she can go about getting a copy.

Many thanks

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 12 December 16 07:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,
I will e-mail the "Comune di Ventimiglia" and request a  copy of the Death Certificate.
It may take time as you can see from above posts I am still waiting for replies.  All depends how fast they are.  Sometimes they need reminders!

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Monday 12 December 16 10:01 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

Thank you very much - no desperate rush.

A little more information - I believe he is buried in the Englis/British cemetery in Bordighera, Imperia. Date of death I believe 28th March 1987, so probably buried in April.
Many of these facts come from public trees on ancestry.co.uk, so have to be treated with a little caution!

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: treemad on Friday 23 December 16 19:37 GMT (UK)
I am looking for Guiliano Marzano and Carolina Manzione marriage in around 1930 maybe  bit earlier in Accentura, Italy.

where do I find records for that time/place
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 23 December 16 21:52 GMT (UK)
Hi treemad,
For curiosity the town is in the Province of Matera and the Region of Basilicata (Southern Italy).  The population is around 1900.
The records will be with the "Municipio" - "Town Hall".  Here they will not search with just a name.  They would require a date 00/00/0000 or nearest to it.  Given its a small town we might find a kind soul who will research the years 1928-1931.
Leave it with me and I write an e-mail to see if they will kindly look.
A note they are notorious for taking time replying as you can see from the posts above.

Have a nice Christmas and New Year.

Steve
 8)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: treemad on Friday 23 December 16 22:47 GMT (UK)
that would be great, was there any census in the early 20th C?

I have one brother's birth dates 16 AUG 1928

Antonio, Vito, Giuseppi and Dominico could be born either side of Rocco
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: treemad on Monday 26 December 16 17:07 GMT (UK)
would love to find the parents or births and marriages of:

Rocco b 16.8.1928 to Teresa Manzione
Antonio m Philomena
Vito m Maria
Guiseppe m Margareta Garagusa
Domenico m Adollarata


from Accentura Rooco and Guiseppe had kids in the UK in the 1950's but no record of marriages in the UK so all must have arrived around about 1950 or so.



Rocco and one other
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Sunday 15 January 17 22:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,
I will e-mail the "Comune di Ventimiglia" and request a  copy of the Death Certificate.
It may take time as you can see from above posts I am still waiting for replies.  All depends how fast they are.  Sometimes they need reminders!

Steve

Hi Steve,

Am I right in thinking that the @Commune di Ventimiglia' has not yet replied to you? Although I don't think there's any particular rush, my friend mentioned it to me the other day. They need the death certificate in order to obtain this relative's army service records in the UK.

thanks

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 16 January 17 12:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,
Not heard anything so I gave them a quick telephone call this morning to see what was happening.
At the moment they are undated with work and it is not forgotten.  Think we may have to wait a bit.
My thoughts on the  problem maybe Ventimiglia being an Italian/French border and the huge problem they have with immigrants claiming asylum and residency.  That is not racialist remark, but a fact.

I will keep on top  of it for you.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Monday 16 January 17 13:23 GMT (UK)
Many thanks

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 20 January 17 13:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,
The lady I spoke to at the "Comune di Ventimiglia" has pulled out my request as a  favour and replied this morning.
She could'nt find anything for Ventimiglia so she checked nearby towns and found that he actually died in Bordighera (nearby). She has given me the Register Number and Serial Number.
I have this morning given all the details to the "Comune di Bordighera" and now await a reply.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Friday 20 January 17 14:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

Very many thanks. I'll pass that information on to the lady.

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: GregSco on Monday 23 January 17 19:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

My Grand father's family come from Ortona a Mare.

I would love to try and find out a full marriage date in 1903 for Pietro Iezzi and Angelina Tenaglia.

If it's possible to get the names and ages of their parents too, that'd be superb.

Pietro Iezzi was born on 28th June 1879 and Angelina Tenaglia was born on 22nd April 1883.

I'd be grateful for any assistance.

Cheers,

Greg
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 23 January 17 22:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Greg,
As regards the marriage certificate - they may not look as they usually require date/month/year  or at least the month and year.  But no worries there is another way.
I have e-mailed the Comune di Ortona and requested the Birth certificates of Lezzi, Pietro and Tenaglia, Angelina.  This will give the name of the parents and address where born.  Usually there is an annotation stating when and where married and the date.  It may or may not give the age of the parents. Once I have these I can apply with a specific date for the marriage certificate and see if it gives the ages of parents.  Some cases yes and some no.

Ortona is in the province of Chieti, region of Abbruzzo. 

As soon as I hear will let you know with relevant translation.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: GregSco on Tuesday 24 January 17 19:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much Steve.  I'll wait to hear more.  Cheers, Greg
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 01 February 17 13:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,

Just got the Death Certificate by post of ERIC BATCHELOR from Bordighera.
As you will need the original for the lady and not a  copy it might be an idea if you send me your address by Private Message and I can send it with translation for you.  I will destroy your address afterwards.
The certificate gives his date and place of Birth in France and his Death in Italy. It also gives his wifes' name.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Wednesday 01 February 17 16:09 GMT (UK)
Steve

That's marvellous - thank you very much. I'll send my address shortly.

With thanks

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 01 February 17 18:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,
Got your address and will post tomorrow morning the original Death certificate and   translated copy.
You don't owe me anything and it was a pleasure to help you.  You know where to find me if in the future I can help with anything in your research.

Steve
PS. Your address has been destroyed as promised.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: John Bell on Sunday 05 February 17 07:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

Just a follow up.
I noticed that in your reply to me regarding the BC of Mario Alberini you spelt his name ALBERINI. Oops!(reply below, 26 Oct 2016).
Just checking what spelling you used in the email to Isle of Capri?

Regards,
John.
....................................................
Hi Steve,

How would I go about finding a Birth Certificate for;

Mario Alberino. Born:19 July 1913. Probably Isle of Capri.

Parents Enrico? Alberino (fisherman) & Maria Rosa Ferraro (B.1888).
Probably married not long before 1913 in Isle of Capri.

It is the parents marriage I am after so I am hoping the sons Birth Cert will give me some clues.

Regards,
John.
.........................................................
Hi John,
No problem for me.
Have sent an e-mail to Capri this morning requesting the BC of Mario Alberini.
I have also asked if it is possible  for them to search for the marriage of his parents, which would be 1912/1913.
As soon as I hear will let you know.

Regards
Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 05 February 17 08:01 GMT (UK)
Hi John,
Thanks for the message.  Spelling error I made on here :P
Will be tomorrow chasing all the "Comune" who have'nt replied to the members  requests on here.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Paulr1949 on Monday 20 February 17 09:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,
Got your address and will post tomorrow morning the original Death certificate and   translated copy.
You don't owe me anything and it was a pleasure to help you.  You know where to find me if in the future I can help with anything in your research.

Steve
PS. Your address has been destroyed as promised.
Hi Steve

Many thanks, the certificate arrived during the week and I passed it on to the lady yesterday. She was extremely happy!

Best wishes

Paul
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 20 February 17 13:10 GMT (UK)
Paul,
You are very welcome and pleased I could help.
 ------------------------------------------------------------
Those who waiting for me.  I have sent reminders out.

Good Wishes

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 26 April 17 14:34 BST (UK)
To all who waiting for a reply from me for records.

I have not forgottten and have written several times for various certificates, but to no avail at the moment. 
Last try I made last week and still waiting. 

Apologies to all

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 29 June 17 15:51 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, thankyou so much but l think that is asking just to much to search that lot, at least we can assume he came from Como as it was only a guess putting the other factors together, we think Francesco may have left under a cloud .......

Sandra,
A bit of good news after all these months!!  The Diocesis Records of Como said they could'nt help if you  remember as there were/are many churches.  Well Sandra some kind sole from the Diocesis has spent time researching the Church records and  come up with the Baptism Certificate for Francesco.

If you  send me by "PM" your e-mail address I will send a copy of the original and a translation.


Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 31 August 17 15:52 BST (UK)
RE: FRANCESCO TRAVI

For curiosity and nice little story.
I have recently sent by e-mail a copy of the Baptism Certificate and translation to Sandra(reflector).
Francesco was born 08/01/1854 in Domaso, Como and Baptised 10/01/1854.  Mentioned are both parents.

After searching various official offices I came to a dead end because I did not know which Church and it would have taken for ever to comb through them all.  Bearing in mind most records have not been transcribed.  Forgot all about it as a "dead end". In June of this year I received out of the blue the baptism record.  I have since found out that it was an old priest who took the trouble to look at the very old registers in the cellars of the Bishops office.  Must have been a long and ardious job for him. 
It is hard at times getting hold of documents here in Italy, but this one has outshone them all.  I have personally thanked the person concerned.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Saturday 02 September 17 11:11 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, Thankyou so much , what a lovely man he must be that did this for me and would like you to thank him from me, l cannot wipe the smile of my face .
The thing is my sister had her DNA done and no Italian ancestry came up so we thought he must have lied about being Italian but appears not, what happened l wonder with the DNA.
l have come up against a brick wall with my Grandfather and his brother have searched every archives l could but no birth for them, l think that if my Gt grandfather registered them maybe with his accent the spelling was wrong so will be impossible to find.
l cannot thank you enough :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
regards Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 02 September 17 19:35 BST (UK)
Sandra
You are very welcome.
Have replied to your PM.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Saturday 16 September 17 03:36 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
My sincere apologies - Just had a look at my notes and realised I had not replied to you.

The Historical Diocesan Archives in Trieste have no records.  Asked me if I knew the Church.   So dead end there I'm afraid.

Ragusa - Wrote don't know how many times, but never replied.

Don't give up.  As you have jogged my memory I will on Monday telephone Ragusa.

Steve

Hi Steve
Sorry I haven't been on for a while, just checking if you have heard anything about my g g grandfather Nicholas Bonnitcha (Bonachi, Bonachit, Bonaccia, Bunatach).

Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 22 September 17 12:47 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
E-mailed Ragusa again and got no answer.  Telephoned them the other day (thanks for the reminder) and seems no go there either.

Any other info that might pin point something.  The records are somewhere or is it someone is not looking properly here.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Friday 22 September 17 19:45 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
I have been researching a family called Bertolla for a cousin but have not been able to find anything for the family from Italy the one we are interested in is
Henry Caesar Joseph Bertolla  from 1901 census his birth is c 1857 and he is from Firenze Florence
he married in England in 1896
are any records available from Florence? please
sandie
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 23 September 17 13:42 BST (UK)
Hi sandie,

Will have a go and see what I can find out.  Take time as the BC will not be in the Florence Registry as it was before the Unification of Italy.

I will use BERTOLLA, Enrico Cesare Giuseppe as that would be the italian name at Birth.  Must have changed it when he went to england to the english.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 23 September 17 13:55 BST (UK)
Hi sanie,
Looking at the site "Archivo di Stato Firenze" they should have a copy of the Birth, but they say they need  00/00/0000.  I have sent an e-mail and kindly asked if they could look at the year 1857.
As I mentioned before it may take time for them to answer.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Saturday 23 September 17 21:03 BST (UK)
thanks Steve, and thanks for Italian name I wasn't sure of it or spelling!!

will have another look for any dates I might have missed

sandie

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Saturday 23 September 17 21:41 BST (UK)
 bit of a problem Steve on the dates  Henry was in workhouse and dates entered were 1851,52 and 53 .............1901 census says he is 44 mind he has just married a 24 year old
his death record says abt 1857 this was in 1933 so it could be I am asking too much
Sandie
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 23 September 17 21:58 BST (UK)
No problem wait and see what the archives have to  say.  Workhouse 'record  could be eŕror.  Inclined to believe the 1901.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Saturday 23 September 17 23:26 BST (UK)
ok thank you Sandie :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Sunday 24 September 17 00:47 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
E-mailed Ragusa again and got no answer.  Telephoned them the other day (thanks for the reminder) and seems no go there either.

Any other info that might pin point something.  The records are somewhere or is it someone is not looking properly here.

Steve


Hi Steve

All I know is that Nicholas at 24 years came to Tasmania in 1856 from Liverpool, England, we don't know if he was a passenger or a crewman, he wasn't mentioned on either lists, he said that he arrived on the same ship "Sir W F Williams" as did his future wife Euphemia Fraser with her two sisters. He always worked on the ships in Tasmania going from Hobart to Melbourne or Sydney, on the ship manifests it was written that he came from Trieste, Italy, he worked on the ships for about 40 years. His parents were Marcello and Catarina with no last names.
On the ship manifests they spelt his name as Bonachit or Bonachi, which eventually turned into of what it is today Bonnitcha which is pronounced Bonni cha with a silent (t). When his children were born the name had different variations like Buoneitach, Bonacich, Bonicha, Bonachi, so his accent must be strong and they had a wild guess and spelt the name how it sounds.
On his naturalization papers in 1909 he said that he came from Ragusa, Austria, so a bit of confusion there. Nicholas died in 25th September 1913 in Hobart, Tasmania and was born 25th December 1833 ?, if this was his true birth date.

This is all I know,

Cheers Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 24 September 17 07:30 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
Thanks for the info.  I'll have a look at the history of Italy-Austria at that time and where Ragusa was.  Could be he is in Austrian records.
Anyway leave it with me and I'll do some checking here and there.  Not much  to do at the moment, so it'll be a pleasure.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 24 September 17 11:18 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
I must be stupid.  Just been making notes on the salient points in your posting.  Ragusa is a Province of Sicily.  How he came to put Ragusa, Austria on his Naturalization papers, have no idea.  It may be an indication for Trieste.  Trieste is and was a large port and that is more indicative place of his Birth as being a merchant seaman as well.  So will concentrate on Treiste and when it became part of Italy and when it was part of Austria.

Intrigued with this guy now.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 24 September 17 12:23 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
Been doing some research on Trieste as I think that is where he came from.
In what I write now might give an indication of the confusion.
Trieste is in the Fruili-Venezia-Giulia Region of Northern Italy and lies between the Adriatic Sea and Slovenia and Croazia lies some 30 kms to the South.  (Think you mentioned sometime Croazia.)
It was part of the Habsburg Monarchy from 1832 to 1918. (Thats where the Austria bit you mentioned comes in). It was the fourth largest city of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. (So now we have Hungary)  In 1918 Trieste was given to Italy.  In 1945 after WW2 it was split into two zones; Zone A to Italy and Zone B to Yugoslavia.  In 1954 under the Memorandum of London Trieste joined Italy.   I think in 1918 "given" means that was annexed to Italy.
The nearest surnames I can find for the province of Trieste are; Bonaccio, Bonacchi and Bonacci.

After all that do we assume he was born in Austria and the records are there somewhere or was it registered in Trieste all the same.

In conclusion I have written to the State Archives in Trieste because they may have records even though it was part of Austria at the time.  If they do not have the records where can I find them.

Might take time for them to reply, but have penned a note in my diary for a follow-up if needed.  Very intriguing.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 25 September 17 11:42 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
Eat my words!! The Archivio di Stato Trieste have just replied.
They do not hold Civil Records.  No mention of where I could look.
Dropped a posting on an Italian geneology forum with details and see if anyone can come up with some ideas.

Keep you posted.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 28 September 17 16:05 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
Have just sent an e-mail to to the Diocasan Archives of Trieste as they suggested on the Italian Forum.  They also told me if no joy, there only two parishes in Trieste at the time.  So if negative will try them.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 05 October 17 17:35 BST (UK)
Sandie,
Just got a reply from  Archivo di Stato Firenze.
Sent me the Birth details of your BERTOLLA, Cesare Giuseppe.  Time and date of Birth and place.  Parents names and professions.  Date of baptism and the witness.
If you send me a PM with your e-mail address, which I will delete afterwards, I will send you a  scanned copy of the original and a translation in english.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Thursday 05 October 17 19:10 BST (UK)
Wow that is incredible, PM on its way
Sandie
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Friday 06 October 17 12:23 BST (UK)
Just wanted to say a big thank you Steve I couldn't have had a better outcome to my request and so very quick, you are a star helping us all like this
thanks again Sandie
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 06 October 17 15:14 BST (UK)
It was pleasure.   Now and again I get results.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Sunday 08 October 17 01:54 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
Have just sent an e-mail to to the Diocasan Archives of Trieste as they suggested on the Italian Forum.  They also told me if no joy, there only two parishes in Trieste at the time.  So if negative will try them.

Steve

Hi Steve

I am trying not to be a pest, but I have been thinking if the name could be Nicholas Boniccia which sounds nearly the same as Bonnitcha, take out the tch and put in the cci and minus one n...lol. I think if you try with Nicholas Boniccia it might help, let me know what you think.

Cheers Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 08 October 17 07:52 BST (UK)
Hi Stephen,
You are not a pest and I appreciate suggestions from anyone as sometimes "two brains" are better than one.
In fact when I wrote  to the Diocasan Archives in Trieste I mentioned variations of the name.
They may take time as the registers will probally be in the cellar.  I had an earlier request on here and eventually went to the diocasan records - not Trieste - and an old priest went to the trouble of finding the registers and checking and gave me details.  It took some time though.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: dathai on Thursday 12 October 17 10:02 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
           could you find any record's for my wife's Pacelli's
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768514.msg6208166#msg6208166
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 12 October 17 13:33 BST (UK)
Hi dathai,

I have had a quick read through the other postings and presume you are looking for the parents of Vincent Pacelli 1838 and his wife Mary Rose Sovino 1843.  In Italy that would be "Vincenzo" and "Maria Rosa".
It is possible to get hold of their BC's with just a year. although they prefer 00/00/0000.  Some State Archives have these old records  and some do not.  In the later case it means writing to the Diocesan Archives for that area.  All can take  time.

I need to know their place of Birth here in Italy.  The BC will mention the parents names and there could annotations as to marriage as well.  If I missed something in the other postings please correct me.

Let me know what you know and it is a pleasure to help you if possible.

Steve



Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: dathai on Thursday 12 October 17 16:18 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
           as you can see i am working back from Francis Pacelli who has had me stumped for several years as his marriage is not registered in Ireland or Scotland,just recently i stumbled across a marriage for his sister in law at which he and his wife were the witnesses so i was able to find his wife's line back one generation and found a few sisters for her.
The wife's cousin had a copy of the travel document 1919 i think where it gives his date of birth as 1868 in Marsicovtere,Potenza,even in the last five minutes i have found 2 travel docs which i had never seen before
Age 46 1913 born 1867
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-GWVC-Q?i=4151&cc=2185163
age 51 1913 born 1862
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-GWJY-1?i=4152&cc=2185163

I have no info on Vincent Pacelli or his wife Mary Rose Savino/Sevino
They said on the 1911 Dublin Census they had 5 children alive and were married 40 yrs
which to me judging on their estimated dates for children would be before 1860
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Trinity_Ward/Brunswick_Street__Great_/88615/
Their son Joseph died 1912 and they returned to Scotland and then emigrated to Canada in 1913 where they died shortly after.

There is no rush as i have waited years to get this far and any thing found after this is a real bonus.

Dathai

oops is that second document dated 1919
there was some talk in the family that he may have been stranded because of WW1
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 13 October 17 12:21 BST (UK)
Hi Dathai,
To start with I have written to the "Archivio di Stato Potenza" to see if they can find the BC of Pacelli, Vincenzo 1838 c. and his wife Savino, Maria Rosa 1843 c. and have suggested they were born in Marsicovetere, Potenza.  I know they have some records and lets hope it includes these two years.
Wait for a reply nd take it from there.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: dathai on Friday 13 October 17 13:27 BST (UK)
Hi Steve
            you are very helpful and it is much appreciated that you a perfect stranger should offer to do this for me and so many others.
I cant thank you enough no matter what the outcome.

Dathai
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sheronb on Sunday 05 November 17 20:57 GMT (UK)
Hello Steve, I have just come across this interesting thread! I have Italian Ancestors and have a lot of info on my great grandfather who was from Sora, Frosinone.... Stato de Civile, birth/marriage acts etc...What I was wondering though if you can obtain info about deaths?  :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 05 November 17 22:07 GMT (UK)
Hi sheronb
Let me have info and see what I can do for you.
A pleasure

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sheronb on Monday 06 November 17 08:34 GMT (UK)
Hello Steve.

Thank you very much for your help. I am hoping to find info on Vincenza Tuzi 1876 -05/05/1903 I think the date of death is correct it's from the State de Civilie, her parents were Amadio Tuzi and Maria Domenica Lombardozzi. From Sora, Frosinone, unmarried as far as I know. Family rumour is that she died in a fire. Also if possible her mother, Maria Domenica Lombardozzi she died on 29/09/1881, after that husband and son, my g,grandfather came to England.

Thank you very much again.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: q98 on Monday 13 November 17 08:29 GMT (UK)
Hi steve62
Seeing my Scots/Irish lineage back to 1775, my wife has become interested in her Italian heritage. We would be most grateful for any additional information relating to her grandparents below:

Paternal:
Martino VITALI (b. 8 Dec 1881, Mu, Edolo, Brescia d. 24 Aug 1942, Fremantle, WA)
married circa 1912, possibly Mu, Edolo
Domenica .......... (maiden name btb also VITALI) (b. Unknown d. Unknown)
Issue: One child, Giovanni (b. 2 Apr 1913, Mu, Edolo d. 20 Sep 1973, Fremantle, WA). Domenica did not emigrate with Martino to Australia, although Giovanni did so as an adult.

Maternal:
Emilio DE (DI?) LUCA (b. Unknown d. Fremantle, WA)
married < 1922, possibly Montenerodomo, Chieti
Maria NERO (NERA?) (b. Unknown d. Fremantle, WA)
Issue: Vincenzo b. circa 1922, Consiglia b. 1923, Lucia b. circa 1927, all born Montenorodomo.

Kindest regards and many thanks in advance for your efforts on our behalf.

q98
Fremantle
WA
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 14 November 17 12:25 GMT (UK)
sheronb  and q98,

TURZI, Vincenza  -  Requesting BC and we will see what annotations are on that
LOMBARDOZZI, Maria Domenica - Requesting DC and that will show the Birth date and any annotations.

VITALI, Martino - Will request the BC and as above will see what annotations there are.

A little patience my friends as sometimes they are slow here in repying, but have dated marked all so I can follow up reminders.

My pleasure

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: q98 on Tuesday 14 November 17 14:16 GMT (UK)
Many thanks steve62. Patience was my Mum's watchword!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sheronb on Tuesday 14 November 17 20:56 GMT (UK)
Hello Steve,

Thank you very much for your help, no problem how long it takes, though the name you wrote was Turzi instead of Tuzi?  Just a trying error more than likely?

Again many thanks.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 14 November 17 21:08 GMT (UK)
Yes a typing eŕror  :P

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sheronb on Tuesday 14 November 17 21:49 GMT (UK)
Thought so :D :D
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: escollay on Friday 24 November 17 13:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

Great thread, just read through the whole thing!

I'm posting more for some tips rather than a request for information. The reason being the only details I have for my Italian ancestor is his name and approximate age so I already know its a needle in a haystack! His name is Domenico Bonino. Bonino I'm led to believe is a Northern Italian name, especially around Piedmont. Not that, that narrows it down much!

I am just wondering do you have any tips on finding out a DOB or birth location? Or where to begin to look. On all the UK census returns it unfortunately just lists "Italy" as his birth location.

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 24 November 17 16:15 GMT (UK)
Hi,
A needle in a haystack yes.
Very little online here in Italy that is why its Archives or Town Halls.  Without a date and place of Birth I would say impossible.
Is there nothing in the UK that might mention his place of Birth?  Such as was he married in the UK?  Immigration/Passenger Lists to the UK?  Take up UK Naturalazione?  On the census if there were children were they born in the UK or Italy(Birth Town).  Is there anyone connected to him which might throw some light on where he might have born in Italy?

Sorry not much help to you, but whatever info you have or find in the UK, no matter how little, drop me a line.  Remember I am here to research and help where possible and nothing is too much trouble.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Friday 24 November 17 18:49 GMT (UK)
there is a tree on Ancestry with photo and this birth

08 Giugno 1903 • San Michele, Mondovi, Piemonte

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: sandiep on Friday 24 November 17 18:53 GMT (UK)
just managed to delete post while modifiy

Ancestry have a photo and tree for this

08 Giugno 1903 • San Michele, Mondovi, Piemonte

but there are a lot of this name any idea roughly of birth
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 24 November 17 19:03 GMT (UK)
escollay
Does this sound right given you have age. If so can try and get BC.
Thank you sandiep for your input.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: escollay on Monday 27 November 17 22:47 GMT (UK)
Hi all

Sorry for the late reply, and thanks for your help. I have an approximate DOB of 1830s for my man.... which only adds to the mysterty  ;D ;D

Thanks Anyway!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 28 November 17 12:01 GMT (UK)
dathai,
Just got a reply from the Archives.
They have searched between the years 1837 and 1843 and there are no documents relating to Vincenzo (Vincent) PACELLI or his wife  Maria Rosa (Mary Rose) SOVINO.

Presumebly they were born somewhere else, but where?

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: dathai on Thursday 30 November 17 18:40 GMT (UK)
Steve
        Many thank's for your efforts on my behalf ,i consider myself very lucky to have got back as far as i have with this family so i am not bitterly disappointed by the outcome.
You are an inspiration to the rest of us genealogists so keep up the good work.

Thank you

Dathai
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 30 November 17 19:25 GMT (UK)
Dathai
You are very welcome and am sorry cannot help. 

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 05 December 17 18:15 GMT (UK)
q98,
Just arrived  copy of the BC for Martino VITALI and attach a copy here.  Have not translated it as it is easy to understand.  Unfortunately as in most cases I have found now is that they send a copy of a document and not a copy of the actual register.  That would have annotations attached.  Saving money or quickness ?  This BC is probally not telling you anything other than confirming where and when he was born.
In regard to the rest of your posting -  unless they have a specific place and a specific date, 00/00/000it is unlikely they will check.  Very rarely have I been successful with just a year and a "maybe place".

Afraid I have not been much help this time round.

Steve
PS. Just found out file is too large.  Please send me a PM with your e-mail.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 05 December 17 18:28 GMT (UK)
GENERAL NOTE  to all waiting for me to reply.

No one has been forgotten and where needed follow up requests have been sent.
The unfortunate point is that there is very little on the internet.  Paying sites seem to be more about the UK/USA/CANADA and very little on other countries, well Italy.
So folks is back in time writing to State Archives, Diocesan Archives, Local Churches, Local Town Halls etc.  All takes time hoping some kind soul will take time to look.
However I was amazed at one reply I got some time ago.  After writing here and there and eventually to the Diocesan Archives I received a reply many months afterwards.  A little old priest took the time to go in the cellar and dust off old registers to find the info I required.
In the end I am here and will always try and help where I can.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Wred on Sunday 11 March 18 15:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve

Looking for location of birth information for Francesco Cavaciuti born December 1888 in village of Rusteghini, Morfasso. Also looking for his marriage to Maria Cavaciuti between 1911 and 1918 also in Rusteghini. You might have guessed that most of village have same surname but Francesco's mother was probablly a Casali and family names are Emilio, Monica, Antonia and Andrew.

Thank you for your offer of help.

Wendy
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 11 March 18 15:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Wendy,
There is no e-mail address for the general public unless you are resident in Morfasso.
Tomorrow will send a fax.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: kjmck on Wednesday 14 March 18 17:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve,

This seems a long shot as I don't have much info but here goes.

Am looking for a John Guarnieri/Guinari/Guarniere. He came over from Italy to London sometime between 1851 - 1861, he then moved to Manchester in England with his wife and family.

Here he is in 1861 as a musician

Name:   John Guarniere
Age:   28
Estimated birth year:   1833
Relation:   Boarder
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Italy
Civil Parish:   Holborn St Andrew
County/Island:   Middlesex
Country:   England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:   
.
Registration district:   Holborn
Sub-registration district:   St Andrew Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel:   5
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household schedule number:   62
Piece:   185
Folio:   105
Page Number:   10
Household Members:   
Name   Age
Louis Bassino   40
Angel Briank   35
Petro Masochi   30
John Insano   28
Bernardo Armack   35
Gaspar Bassine   32
Joseph Bassino   12
Louis Scartazza   53
John Meske   43
John Guarniere   28
Dominque Lurlin   22
Dominque Masochi   15
Antoine Briante   46
John Cassali   42
Dominque Bellini   18

and here he is in 1881 (After this we believe he left his family and went to Ireland and no one heard from him again)

Name:   John Guinari
Age:   49
Estimated birth year:   abt 1832
Relationship to Head:   Head
Spouse:   Ellen Guinari
Gender:   Male
Where born:   (F), Italy
Civil Parish:   Manchester
County/Island:   Lancashire
Country:   England
Street address:   6 Chapel Court
Marital Status:   Married
Education:
Employment status:   
.
Occupation:   Street Musician
Registration district:   Manchester
Sub registration district:   Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel:   5
Neighbors:   View others on page
Piece:   3978
Folio:   75
Page Number:   22
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Guinari   49
Ellen Guinari   36
Rosina Guinari   9
Antonio Guinari   7
(not transcribed)   
Jane Green   26
James Green   2

If you're able to maybe shed some light on the Surname and it's origins, or even anything about John (unsure what the Italian for John is) that would be excellent! A great thing you're doing here offering your help to people!

Keelan

Update - Just been given this bit of info by a member on here

Marriage

June 30th 1868 Manchester Cathedral

Johannes Gavaneri 39 yrs bachelor Organ player  father Dominii Gavaneri, gardener
Ellen Rock, 34 yrs, widow.  Father Alexander Smith, Labourer.

Witnesses Vincent and Elizabeth Garibatti
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 15 March 18 13:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Keelen,
Needle in haystack without a place of birth and 00/00/0000.  Even having this info it would mean trying the Provincial Archives who sometimes have info or Parocchial Archives for the area.  Not a big thing, but more long in time.  The local town halls only have info after the Unification of Italy.  Your ancestor was born before.

Italian records are very hard to find on the internet, with the exception "Family Search" who have some records.

John  would be Giovanni in italian.  On researching there appears to be no surname as "Guinari" or "Gavaneri". The surname "Guarniere" would appear to be from Northern Italy and predominantly for the Province of Lombardy.

The problem in the UK with foreign surnames is that officials tended to write the name as they heard it.  I have ancestors with eastern european surnames written in several ways.  My surname Boler started off as Bowler and over the centuries it went to Boaler/Bowler/Boler.  I have a Bowler married and his children go as Boaler and vice versa.  All confusing, but it makes it harder to research.  Managed to get back to 1605.

Sorry much help. but if you find something that might help drop me a line.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: rlw254 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:10 GMT (UK)
I'd appreciate any advise from the Italian experts!

In my tree, Maria Messana (see note on surname at the end) was allegedly born in Salerno around 1845. Sometime before her marriage in 1870, she moved to San Severo. Her parents were Michele Messana (born 1817) and Antonia Consiglio (born 1817).

I know that Maria had at least three brothers - Francesco born in 1847 in Salerno, Salvatore born in 1849 in Quartiere San Giuseppe, Naples, and Pasquale born in 1854 in Salerno.

I've found baptism records for all three of the brothers, but not for Maria herself. Apparently the family moved around a bit between Naples and Salerno. Birth records in Salerno for the year of 1845 are not available on the Antenati website - are these available somewhere else or have they been destroyed?

I don't yet have the date of her death (she would have died in San Severo), but no useful information is included in her marriage record or publication.

Her father Michele is another issue for me, as it seems he was born in Caltanissetta, Sicily. This surname has been written as Messano in several documents from Salerno, but Messana seems to be the predominant spelling in this area of Sicily. Michele does not show up in baptisms for the town of Caltanissetta itself in 1817, so it's likely that he was from a village in this region. Ravanusa and San Cataldo seem to have the most Messana people. I also do not know when Michele died but I believe it was before 1879 in Salerno. I cannot find a record of his marriage to Antonia Consiglio.

Ultimately I am looking for Maria's baptism so I can help trace Michele's family farther.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 21 March 18 12:20 GMT (UK)
rlw254,
Don't worry about the surname ending in an "a" or "o".  Thats due someone misspelling and won't affect research.
Baptism papers for Maria in 1845 Salerno.  They will most likely be Church records.  Will write to the diocesean Archives for Salerno and hopefully they will search with just a year.  They like 00/00/0000.
Death date - afraid not possible, because no one will search without a date.
Michele Messana b. 1817 Caltinasetta.  Again will try the diocesean Archives with just a year.
As to his Death date ditto as for Maria.
Marriage of Michele and Antonia in Salerno 1870.  These records will be with the town hall registrar in Salerno as it was after the Unification of Italy.  Will write and again hopefully they will search with just a year.
As mentioned in previous posts its sometimes difficult to get info, because they don't reply.  Frustrating I know.

Steve

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: rlw254 on Wednesday 21 March 18 16:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your advice!
Right now I believe Michele died in Salerno between 1870 and 1879. State records available on Antenati do not include 1877 or 1878 and I did not find the death in any other year in this range.

In 1870, marriage of Maria: "... figlia naturale di Michele Messana e Antonia Consiglio, ambo residente in Salerno"
In 1879, marriage of Pasquale: "... figlio di fu Michele residente in -----, e di Antonia Consiglio, residente in Salerno"

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 21 March 18 16:21 GMT (UK)
Let's see what I can gain in info first as I have e mailed for info as mentioned above and then we will take from there.
Soon as I hear will let you know.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: rlw254 on Wednesday 21 March 18 23:00 GMT (UK)
Looking again I was able to find Michele Messano's death in Salerno in 1872, it gives his parents as Michele and Grazia Rondinella, birthplace Caltanissetta around 1815. I am still unable to find this in Caltanissetta church records available at familysearch.org. Hopefully the church can provide more information  about him or his daughter :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Tuesday 10 April 18 06:15 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

I was wondering if you could get a couple of marriage records for me please. The bride in both marriages is Marta Lucia DeCampo. From her birth registration record it looks like she married a Stefano surname I cannot read on or about 14 March 1911 (I think) and the other marriage took place on 21 June 1922 to Giuseppe Maganetti - both marriage appear to have taken place in Tirano. I am hoping the parent's names of the bridegrooms will be shown on the registrations. Attached in a copy of Marta's birth registration obtained from FamilySearch's Italian records for Tirano. I have a copy of her first marriage so do not need it.

Thanks for your help.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 10 April 18 13:33 BST (UK)
Hi mixedupmob,
Looks like the marriage was 14/03/1915, because looking at the "1" in the other its differant.  Surname of Stefano magnified looks like "Cestini" to me.
Will e-mail Tirano for the MC, but the marriage in 1922 does'nt look like Tirano the way it is written.  Could be wrong, but will request as Tirano all the same.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 11 April 18 12:15 BST (UK)
Thanks Steve, look forward to to the replies you get.

R
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: JimGat on Wednesday 02 May 18 16:33 BST (UK)
Hi Steve


I see you are helping with Italian research, I have located a marriage record for my 3rd great grandfather Domenico Salzillo in Santa Maria Oliveto. I am having problems translating it.Is it possible for you to translate it for me if I  attach a copy?

Jim Gathercole
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 02 May 18 18:53 BST (UK)
Hi Jim.
Not a problem. 
Attach it and will do.   Any problems attaching let me know and will send a PM with my e-mail address.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: JimGat on Wednesday 02 May 18 19:00 BST (UK)
Thank you Steve

Jim

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 03 May 18 11:28 BST (UK)
Hi Jim,
See what you mean about trying to read the document.  Handwriting is like a doctors!!
Will read through it and may have a word with an old friend of mine who is probally used to this style of writing.
Leave it with me and as soon as will let you know.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: JimGat on Thursday 03 May 18 23:41 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: reflector on Sunday 20 May 18 15:28 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, some time ago you sent me my Gt Grandfathers Baptism  Francesco Travi, l would like to let you know we have gone from strength to strength with this information we have found Parents, siblings and many more it has been along job as we use the computer to translate and the writing is so bad and some very faded but l would like to thankyou once again  and to let people know it is possible, but the funny thing is l cant find my grandfather and his brothers birth here in Uk  but we keep looking.

Thankyou
Sandra
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Sunday 20 May 18 16:43 BST (UK)
JimGat  -  Jim, sorry not got back to you yet.  Been in hospital (nothing serious).  Get back onto it in next few days.  My apologies.

Refelctor  -  Know the feeling I searched for a few years for my g.mother and then suddenly out of the blue up it popped.  Maybe another pair of eyes might help.  Let me know who and I will  try even though I am in Italy I can access UK records.  No promises.

Regards to both of you

Steve

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 21 May 18 16:32 BST (UK)
Mixedupmob,

Just got a reply from Tirano for the marriages:-

De Campo, Martino  born in Tirano and aged 33
De Campo, Marta Lucia born in Tirano aged 23
29/03/1904 in Tirano

Testini, Stefano born in Montagna aged 26
De Campo, Marta Lucia born in Tirano aged 34
14/03/1915 in Tirano

Maganetti, Giuseppe Pietro born in Tirano aged 22
De Campo, Marta Lucia born in Tirano aged 41
25/06/1922

They are marriages after the unification of Italy and so are in what we call modern form and do not show who the parents unfortuntely.

They are self explantary to read and so translation not needed.  Send me by PM your e-mail and I will send them to you.

Steve
Title: Antonio Bertolini (1805) - Lucca Region
Post by: PD126 on Tuesday 22 May 18 13:12 BST (UK)
Steve,
 bit of a long shot here, but I am trying to trace great great grandfather Antonio Bertolini - born in the Lucca region of Tuscany around 1805/1806. As a young man he became a plaster figure maker and took off to England - probably in the 1820's. He was in Hull, Norwich, where he got married and then in Holborn in London, where he lived to the grand old age of 80, passing away in 1885. I have all the England information - it's just the Italian part that I'm missing. There's some background information to be found here - https://www.npg.org.uk/research/programmes/plaster-figure-makers-history.php . Grateful if you can shed some light on this but it's looking like a needle in a haystack to me. Thanks!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 22 May 18 16:37 BST (UK)
PD26,
Yes that is a needle in a haystack.
There are over 30 Comune (Towns) in the Province of Lucca. The Province of Lucca is noted for its number of churches.  The records will be held by the churches and probally the old ones passed onto the Diocesean of Lucca.  Problem here is which Town?  That would narrow it down. 
Is there nothing in the UK records that mention a town?
Sorry to give you bad news.  If something comes up, let me know.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: PD126 on Tuesday 22 May 18 16:44 BST (UK)
Steve,
 I don't believe so but I'll comb through all the English records I have again to recheck. Meanwhile I'll be trying to come at it from other directions too. If I come up with anything I'll post again.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: PD126 on Tuesday 22 May 18 17:00 BST (UK)
The head of the Plaster figure making company who employed him in Leather Lane, Holborn, London was one Vicenzo Marchetti from from Tiglio. He pretty much stayed there all his working life after his travels around England and settling down.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 23 May 18 00:35 BST (UK)
Steve, have sent pm - let me know if you do not get it as I am using a different device at the moment and not sure if it went correctly.

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 23 May 18 07:24 BST (UK)
mixedupmob,
Have set you an e-mail.  Let me know if you get it.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 23 May 18 07:42 BST (UK)
PD126,

Will try Tiglio for place of Birth.  Might take some time to get info. Keep you informed.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Wednesday 23 May 18 07:59 BST (UK)

Steve, e-mail came through but the attachment was all scrambled - only showed all coding. When I put it on preview it said their were 152 pages in the attachment so did not download.

You may have to try again as individual certificates.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 23 May 18 08:24 BST (UK)
Sorry made mistake.
Will send later on today.  Out at the moment

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Lisa in California on Wednesday 23 May 18 23:13 BST (UK)
Hi Steve:

A couple of years ago, I was researching for a friend and I don't believe I received a reply about the following posting.  I have resumed researching the family and I am wondering, please, if you might be able to assist me?

Hi Steve:

Thank you for the kind offer.  My ancestors were Irish and English; I just started researching for a friend - I don't know where to begin when it comes to Italian records.

I do not yet have full details, but I hope to try to eventually find a marriage in Italy (I know - it's a big place)  :-[ for a Simone Gimelli and Mary/Maria Durarte/Duarte c1901.  My research is early, but there is a possibility that Simone was born in Genoa, possibly "Loano, Genoa".  Simone was born in 1878 and Mary/Maria was born c1878.  We don't yet know where in Italy Mary/Maria was born.

Would you be able to find their marriage without knowing the exact date, or without knowing any location?  Thank you for reading my post.  Any feedback would be very much appreciated; thank you.  Lisa

PS  Simone was also known as Samuel when he lived in the states.
     We are now wondering if his name might actually be Gimelli Simone.

Thank you in advance for any guidance.  Lisa
In case this is of help, we believe the following to be their children: Josephine, Angelo, Elsie, Margheri, Giovanni/John, Lorraine, Louis, Angie.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Thursday 24 May 18 11:27 BST (UK)
Hey Steve,

Just the kind of thread I was looking for.

I'm trying to get a birth, death and potentially a marriage certificate for my Italian ancestor, who moved to the UK.

Some general information about him:

Given name(s): Giovanni
Surname: Battista
Birthdate: 19 May 1847
Birthplace: Rocca d'Arce, Frosinone, Lazio, Italy
Alternative Birthplace: Cassino, Frosinone, Lazio, Italy
Father: Antonio Battista (probably, this is listed on his marriage record to second wife)
Occupation: Tailor/Ice Cream Vendor/Street Organ Proprietor
Estimated date of death: 1901 - 1910
First record in England: 1879 (birth of his first child)

I know Giovanni Battista is a common compound first name, but his brothers have the last name Battista too.

Siblings: Vincenzo Battista & Antonio Battista (Vincenzo was living with Giovanni in 1881 census)

Death

So far, I've been focusing on his life in the UK, and I assumed he died there. Unfortunately, I and a few kind people who've done a lot of research on my behalf have not been able to find any record of his death in the UK. So, perhaps, he went back to his home country for a visit or whatever other reason and died there. Here's my thread in the UK section attempting to find his death record in the UK: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=793871.0

Maybe a longshot. Hopefully, he went back to his home commune.

Birth

I have two locations for birth in Italy. The first is from FamilySearch, someone transcribed a record from "Registro dello stato civile di Rocca d'Arce, FHL film 1170678, LDS Family History Library". They have written that the record mentions a Giovanni Battista born in Rocca d'Arce, Frosinone, Lazio, Italy on the 19th of May, 1847. I don't have access to the original record, so I don't know how accurate this is.

The second location of birth is Cassino, Frosinone, Lazio, Italy. The following records list Cassino as Giovanni's birthplace: 1881, 1891 and 1901 England Census. His brothers Antonio and Vincenzo also list their birthplace as Cassino in England Censuses (all 3 brothers moved to North East England).

I understand that Rocca d'Arce and Cassino are approximately 25km away from each other, not too far.

I'm not sure which one it is, as all the UK records say Cassino, but the FamilySearch record is transcribed as Rocca d'Arce.

EDIT: Just received information from River Tyne Lass about Giovanni's father, it's listed as Antoni (Antonio) Battista on his marriage record to his second wife.

Not sure if you have the marriage record for Giovanni and Anastasia  but I have found this at Tyne and Wear Archives that they married on 14 February 1901 at St Cuthbert, RC in North Shields.  If you don't have it already - this is another to add to your records. :)

'Giovanni Battista ex North Shields son of Antoni Battista & Anastasiam Whalen ex Willington Quay daughter of Timothei Finley.'.

Marriage

This record isn't as important to me as the birth or death, however I do want to be completely sure of his marriage.

I know Giovanni marries an Elizabeth Ellen Lawson in England, 1885. Yet, in the 1881 England Census, he is listed as being married to a Lizabetta Battista who is written down as from Italy. Now, I'm pretty sure this is just a mistake and this is Elizabeth Lawson, but I do want to be sure.

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How would I go about obtaining a birth and death certificate for Giovanni? Any thoughts on the above information?
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 24 May 18 17:13 BST (UK)
Lisa in California,
Post again as the previous did'nt go.

I am taking the marriage as being in Loano in 1901 and have e-mailed for the certificate and hopefully they will look without day/month.  Loano is in the Province of Savona, which is next door to the Province of Genova.  The surname is Durante and not Durarte. The reason I think it is Loano is because of the following:_

Simoni Gimelli born 08/09/1878 in Loano.  Father Angelo Gimelli born 1854.   Also found this record:-  Francesca Maria Giuseppina Gimelli born 03/05/1902.  Father Simone Gerolamo Gimelli born 1878 in Loano.  Mother Bianca Durante.  Possible the mother had a middle name?  It is signed by Simone Gimelli - without Gerolamo.  Btw. Giuseppina would be Josaphine in english.

So lets see what Loano comes up with now.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 24 May 18 17:43 BST (UK)
Lisa in California,

Lisa, forgot to mention that that the mother of Simone Gimelli (1878) was a certain Francisca Gherardi.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Lisa in California on Thursday 24 May 18 18:27 BST (UK)
Hi Steve:

Thank you very much!  Yesterday, I just started researching this family again and your results perfectly match the little that I have found so far. 

...Simoni Gimelli born 08/09/1878 in Loano...
Francesca Maria Giuseppina Gimelli born 03/05/1902.

U.S. World War I Registration shows a Simone Gimelli with a birth date of 8 Sept 1878.  There is also a California Death Index showing his birth date as 8 Sep 1878.

There is a California death index for "Josephine" (mother - Durante) who had a birth date of 3 May 1902.  The California marriage index lists her as Josephine F Gimelli so that also matches what you found.

...I am taking the marriage as being in Loano in 1901 and have e-mailed for the certificate and hopefully they will look without day/month.

I hope they are able to look but if not, what you have found is amazing and is very helpful.  Thank you also for explaining about the provinces.  Kind regards, Lisa   :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: cbocca on Thursday 24 May 18 19:10 BST (UK)
Steve,
Hello, my name is Charlene.
I'm trying to find the siblings of my great grandmother, Antognia Bono. As far as I know she was born about 1860 in San Giorgio, Ciconio, Torino.  She married Carlo Mattioda (birth: 1860).  There's a large group of Bono family members in Canada but I don't know how my great grandmother is related which is why I'd like to find out who her siblings are.  I have a tree on Ancestry where I've included possible sibling but I don't know if this is accurate.
Her son, my grandfather, Giovanni Battista Mattioda was born in Ciconio, Torino in 1881 as far as I know.  He had 3 sisters: Modesta (birth: 1890) Domenica (birth: 1883) and Margherita Lucia (birth: 1885).  From what I know some of Antognia's children were born in Ciconio and Castellamonte.  I don't know how close these towns are, though.  I don't know if Antognia had other children...someone mentioned that there was a twin brother.  My grandfather died in 1922 and I didn't know his sisters.  Through Ancestry, I've found relatives of his sisters but haven't been able to get info regarding anything in Italy.  In addition to my great grandmother's siblings and her parents, I'd like info regarding her children...birth/marriage certificates.  (My grandfather and his sisters immigrated to Canada and the United States.  To my knowledge none returned to Italy, even for a visit.)
Thanks for your help!
Charlene
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: gaynor on Friday 25 May 18 04:16 BST (UK)
Hi ,
Giovanni Battista , of 89,Finchley Road , Hampstead , Middlesex , died 16th May 1931 at The Italian Hospital , Queen Square , Middlesex . His widow was Camilla Battista .
Is this your  Giovanni ?
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Friday 25 May 18 04:47 BST (UK)
Hi ,
Giovanni Battista , of 89,Finchley Road , Hampstead , Middlesex , died 16th May 1931 at The Italian Hospital , Queen Square , Middlesex . His widow was Camilla Battista .
Is this your  Giovanni ?

Hey gaynor,

Thanks for the help! I've replied to you on my thread, to help keep this thread free from clutter. Here you go: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=793871.msg6504998#msg6504998 :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: cbocca on Friday 25 May 18 06:17 BST (UK)
Thanks for your reply.  No, this isn't my grandfather.  His full name is Giovanni Battista Mattioda...Battista was his middle name.  He died in Butte, Montana in 1922.  I'm interested in finding info regarding his mother, Antognia Bono, who married Carlo Mattioda.  My grandfather's mother stayed in Italy so I'll need info from Italy.
Thanks again for looking into this,
Charlene
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 25 May 18 11:02 BST (UK)
Lisa in California

Lisa,
Speed of lightening!!  E-mailed last night Loano and got a reply this morning.  Never had a reply so quick.

Birth Certificate:  GIMELLI, Simone 08/09/1878 Loano.  Added name afterwards Girolamo.
Birth Certificate:  DURANTE, Bianca 21/10/1878 Loano. Added name afterwards in blank and that must be Maria.  Father DURANTE, Giobatta and mother POLLA, Maddelena.
Marriage Certificate: GIMELLI, Simone Gerolamo born 08/09/1878 Loano and DURANTE, Bianca born 21/10/1878 Loano.

If you would like the certificates that don't need translating as they are self-explanatory send me a PM with your e-mail.

Regards

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 25 May 18 11:36 BST (UK)
battista
Had  look at Familysearch to see I could get the Birth certificate, but nothing came up.  Have now e-mailed Archivo di Stato Frosinone for the certificate.  Sometimes people put down Birth in ...... and then ..............  I have an ancestor born in Bury, Lancashire and in some documents it says Radcliffe, Lancashire.  Next door to each other.

Confused here about Elizabeth Ellen Lawson.  You say he married her in 1885 and in the 1881 Census there is a Lizabetta Lawson, which is probally the same person.  He married after 1881 and so don't follow that track.

Wil let you know as soon as I get a reply from Frosinone and will translate if needed.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Friday 25 May 18 11:48 BST (UK)
battista
Had  look at Familysearch to see I could get the Birth certificate, but nothing came up.  Have now e-mailed Archivo di Stato Frosinone for the certificate.  Sometimes people put down Birth in ...... and then ..............  I have an ancestor born in Bury, Lancashire and in some documents it says Radcliffe, Lancashire.  Next door to each other.

Confused here about Elizabeth Ellen Lawson.  You say he married her in 1885 and in the 1881 Census there is a Lizabetta Lawson, which is probally the same person.  He married after 1881 and so don't follow that track.

Wil let you know as soon as I get a reply from Frosinone and will translate if needed.

Steve

Hey Steve,

Thanks. Yea, I figured it was probably just that for the case of birthplace.

As for the marriage, I know he married an Elizabeth Ellen Lawson from England in 1885. However, in the 1881 census, he's married to a Lizabetta Battista whose birthplace is listed as Italy. Giovanni and Lizabetta are listed as being married in 1881, yet his marriage to Elizabeth is actually 4 years later. I believe Lizabetta Battista and Elizabeth Ellen Lawson are the same person.

However, my nonna, does not believe this. So, she's specifically asked me to find a marriage certificate to a Lizabetta from Italy  ::) (which I'm sure doesn't exist).
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: JenB on Friday 25 May 18 11:54 BST (UK)
battista
Had  look at Familysearch to see I could get the Birth certificate, but nothing came up.  Have now e-mailed Archivo di Stato Frosinone for the certificate.  Sometimes people put down Birth in ...... and then ..............  I have an ancestor born in Bury, Lancashire and in some documents it says Radcliffe, Lancashire.  Next door to each other.

Confused here about Elizabeth Ellen Lawson.  You say he married her in 1885 and in the 1881 Census there is a Lizabetta Lawson, which is probally the same person.  He married after 1881 and so don't follow that track.

Wil let you know as soon as I get a reply from Frosinone and will translate if needed.

Steve

Hey Steve,

Thanks. Yea, I figured it was probably just that for the case of birthplace.

As for the marriage, I know he married an Elizabeth Ellen Lawson from England in 1885. However, in the 1881 census, he's married to a Lizabetta Battista whose birthplace is listed as Italy. Giovanni and Lizabetta are listed as being married in 1881, yet his marriage to Elizabeth is actually 4 years later. I believe Lizabetta Battista and Elizabeth Ellen Lawson are the same person.

However, my nonna, does not believe this. So, she's specifically asked me to find a marriage certificate to a Lizabetta from Italy  ::) (which I'm sure doesn't exist).

Pasquale Battista, who is with Giovanni and 'Lizabetta' in 1881 has mother's maiden name Lawson on the GRO Index, which supports your contention that Elizabeth and Lizabetta are one and the same.

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Friday 25 May 18 11:56 BST (UK)
battista
Had  look at Familysearch to see I could get the Birth certificate, but nothing came up.  Have now e-mailed Archivo di Stato Frosinone for the certificate.  Sometimes people put down Birth in ...... and then ..............  I have an ancestor born in Bury, Lancashire and in some documents it says Radcliffe, Lancashire.  Next door to each other.

Confused here about Elizabeth Ellen Lawson.  You say he married her in 1885 and in the 1881 Census there is a Lizabetta Lawson, which is probally the same person.  He married after 1881 and so don't follow that track.

Wil let you know as soon as I get a reply from Frosinone and will translate if needed.

Steve

Hey Steve,

Thanks. Yea, I figured it was probably just that for the case of birthplace.

As for the marriage, I know he married an Elizabeth Ellen Lawson from England in 1885. However, in the 1881 census, he's married to a Lizabetta Battista whose birthplace is listed as Italy. Giovanni and Lizabetta are listed as being married in 1881, yet his marriage to Elizabeth is actually 4 years later. I believe Lizabetta Battista and Elizabeth Ellen Lawson are the same person.

However, my nonna, does not believe this. So, she's specifically asked me to find a marriage certificate to a Lizabetta from Italy  ::) (which I'm sure doesn't exist).

Pasquale Battista, who is with Giovanni and 'Lizabetta' in 1881 has mother's maiden name Lawson on the GRO Index, which supports your contention that Elizabeth and Lizabetta are one and the same.

Yep, I found that too (and shown it). I've ordered Pasquale Battista's birth certificate, she won't believe me until her own eyes see the actual certificate.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 25 May 18 12:01 BST (UK)
battista,
Well seeing the last posting it appears they may have married 4 years later.  There is a possibility on the Birth certificate showing a marriage.  This sometimes shows on pre-1861 documents. 

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Friday 25 May 18 13:53 BST (UK)
battista
Had  look at Familysearch to see I could get the Birth certificate, but nothing came up.  Have now e-mailed Archivo di Stato Frosinone for the certificate.  Sometimes people put down Birth in ...... and then ..............  I have an ancestor born in Bury, Lancashire and in some documents it says Radcliffe, Lancashire.  Next door to each other.

Confused here about Elizabeth Ellen Lawson.  You say he married her in 1885 and in the 1881 Census there is a Lizabetta Lawson, which is probally the same person.  He married after 1881 and so don't follow that track.

Wil let you know as soon as I get a reply from Frosinone and will translate if needed.

Steve

Hey Steve,

I'm also looking for the long form certificate, I believe it's called an "Estratto per riassunto dell’atto di nascita", how can I get that one as well (my nonna explicitly told me to get that one).
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Friday 25 May 18 14:00 BST (UK)
Battista
Tell nonna that's what they should be  sending me.
In bacio per la nonna from me.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Friday 25 May 18 14:18 BST (UK)
Battista
Tell nonna that's what they should be  sending me.
In bacio per la nonna from me.

Steve

Thank you, and I will :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 26 May 18 06:35 BST (UK)
Lisa in California

Lisa,
Speed of lightening!!  E-mailed last night Loano and got a reply this morning.  Never had a reply so quick.

Birth Certificate:  GIMELLI, Simone 08/09/1878 Loano.  Added name afterwards Girolamo.
Birth Certificate:  DURANTE, Bianca 21/10/1878 Loano. Added name afterwards in blank and that must be Maria.  Father DURANTE, Giobatta and mother POLLA, Maddelena.
Marriage Certificate: GIMELLI, Simone Gerolamo born 08/09/1878 Loano and DURANTE, Bianca born 21/10/1878 Loano.

If you would like the certificates that don't need translating as they are self-explanatory send me a PM with your e-mail.

Regards

Steve

Hi Steve:

Wow, my friends should be really happy about the extremely quick results (I know I am)!  My friend doesn't know anything about this side of his family, so I would think he would be thrilled about finding out so much about his ancestors.

I've sent a pm with my email address.  Thank you again!  Lisa
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Saturday 26 May 18 11:54 BST (UK)
cbocca
Hi Charlene,
Will obtain the BC of the 4 children from the Comune (Registry Office) May or may not show parents.  From the State Archives I will get the BC for Antognia Bono 1860.  That will show her parents and may or may not have a notation about marriage.  Think the name should be Antonia.

As soon as will let you know.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: cbocca on Saturday 26 May 18 18:23 BST (UK)
Thanks, Steve.  I appreciate the help.
I live in California so anyone needing anything from here, I’m happy to help.
Charlene
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: battista on Monday 28 May 18 00:08 BST (UK)
Hey Steve,

Do you use PEC when emailing Italian offices?
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 28 May 18 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi Battista,
Have used PEC once or twice, but mainly ordinary e-mail if any.  PEC is supposed to be, I  think, like sending a registered letter.  Makes little differance as I don't always get a reply anyway. As a matter of general interrest.  I do follow up e-mails if after time I don't get a reply, but sometimes they never reply and there are people on this posting who must think I am not interested in their postings because they don't get a reply.  Its quite the opposite.  Its notorious here trying to get info sometimes.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 29 May 18 18:25 BST (UK)
JimGat,
Hi Jim,
Sorry to keep you waiting so long, but now have the translation. Had to pass it onto a friend who is 70 years old, because some of it was unreadable and also it was written in  old italian.  That is the style of the letters.  I know he took his time, but its done now and I have thanked him.
Its is about 98% perfect as there were certain words and or small phrases that were unreadable.  The outcome is all the essential info you need is there.
Please send me a PM with your e-mail.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Tuesday 29 May 18 23:08 BST (UK)
To who ever reading this Italian Research.

Translation has gone off to Jim and by e-mail he is sending me a couple of certificates to translate.

I not only try and research here in Italy, but can translate certificates etc.  So if its not research, but certificate etc translations in your Italian research send them to me and job done.  I see no reason to pay someone when I am here free of charge.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: rlw254 on Wednesday 30 May 18 00:47 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, did you get any response from the Maria Messana request from reply #209? I understand getting replies can be difficult, just checking in  :)
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 30 May 18 13:42 BST (UK)
rlw254,
Shoot me, kill me,  ;D, but accept my sincere apologies for not getting back to you earlier.
Wrote as promised to the various institutions and followed them up several times, but never got a reply from any  >:(
Unfortunately if you look at some postings on here they have  ended up the same way.  I know it is easy just to  reply and say no we have nothing or look at etc.  Frustrating yes! After 30 years here I just go with the flow. 

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: rlw254 on Friday 01 June 18 17:40 BST (UK)
No problem at all, thanks for your help!
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 14 June 18 07:42 BST (UK)
cbocca,

Hi Charlene,
Got a reply this morning with the BC.  Unfortunately it was in "SPAM".  Tried to open the attachments all the same, but they were removed as they contained a "VIRUS".
Have now e-mailed again the Comune and explained.  So waiting for another reply.

Steve 
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Tuesday 10 July 18 06:05 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

I was wondering if you could try to get two death certificates for me please. Details are:
Carlo Della Vedova died on or about 8 November 1941 and Margherita Lucia Della Vedova died on or about 31 October 1957. They are siblings and both died in Berbenno di Valtellina, Sondrio.

Thank you for your help.

R.

Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 16 July 18 21:54 BST (UK)
mixedupmob,
Sorry not back to you sooner, but its June-July-August beachtime here for me and research has been put on the back burner for now.
Now I can get the certificates for you no problem.  How long it will take is another matter.  Holiday season here.
Before I write is there some particular you are looking for?  The certificates will give name and date of death .  There will be no other info as we talking "modern certificates" as opposed to "pre unification" which would give more info most times.
If its just the certificates with the actual date of death you want - no problem will do.  If you are looking for more info let me know what info you are after.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: stephenbonn on Monday 16 July 18 22:26 BST (UK)
Hi Steve62

Have you found out any more info on Nicholas Bonnitcha/Boniccia/Bonachit, I am just hitting brick walls, he said that he was on the same ship "Sir W F Williams" as Euphemia Fraser and her two sisters Ann & Janet, no info on him as a passenger or a crew member which left Liverpool and arrived in Australia in 1856.
On his Naturalisation papers he said that his parents were Marcello/Marco and Catarina, no last name. His first child was a girl and named Catherine Ann (Catarina), his second child was a boy named Mark (Marcello/Marco), then came Donald, Matthew John, Nicholas, Euphemia, Joseph and then Jessie Madeline. It is funny how only some of the children have two names where others only have one, I wonder if the middle names could be any significance to his relatives or his children names, Catherine, Mark, Nicholas and Euphemia, we know where they came from but what about Donald, Matthew John, Joseph and Jessie Madeline. Could one of these be his brothers, sisters and grandparents names, interesting...
Cheers
Stephen
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mixedupmob on Monday 16 July 18 23:13 BST (UK)
Hi Steve

I would be happy with whatever information is included on the certificate. Should they have been married and the spouse name is included that would be a bonus.

R.
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Wednesday 18 July 18 18:28 BST (UK)
stephenbonn
Hi Stephen,
Now this is embarrassing and please accept my sincere apologies for the long wait.  I had put a cross over your request in my "ongoing research file",  which means I replied, but evidently I did not.  My mistake.
In September I sent an e-mail to the Diocesan Archives in Trieste and also wrote by letter to  the 2 parishes; Santa Maria Maggiore and Sant'Antonio Taumaturgo.  Replicated again in January and then in March.  Never received any replies.  I would have thought "3 times" would have produced something.  Unfortunately this is a problem I have had in past for other people.  Have now made one last request, but if there is no answer ........

As regards the names you mentioned it is possible they were taken from g.parents/g.g.parents as this was at one time the done thing.  As a matter of interest; Matthew(Mateo),  John (Giovanni),  Mark (Marco),  Joseph (Giuseppe),  Jessie(Jessica), Madeline(Madalena).  As regards Donald cannot find an italian equivelant.

Fingers crossed

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mitch601 on Thursday 02 August 18 15:40 BST (UK)
hi steve,what details do you need to look up for info? i have a few italians i am researching and trying to find info on a few further back.very much appreciate any help. thanks
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Thursday 02 August 18 19:24 BST (UK)
Hi mitch601,
I have lived in Italy for 30 years and that is why I started this posting and also my own personal research in the world was coming to an end.  I am not a 100% expert, but can usually find my way around the system.  Sometimes with results and sometimes not.  There is very little on the internet and the Institutions here do not always reply.
But down to your question.  If it is after the Unification of Italy in 1861 then B/M/D certificates are available from the local town hall (Municipio) - whether they reply is another matter.  Prior to this there are the State Archives and Diocesan Archives.  Again whether they reply is another matter. Certificates prior to 1861 will give a lot more info than those afterwards.  They can sometimes have an annotation as to marriage/Death.
To obtain documents they require D/M/Y or at least M/Y and place. 
If you give me some info on the people you are researching I can try and obtain documents for you and will translate. 
Its the height of summer holidays here and everything slows down.
Glad to help in any way.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mitch601 on Monday 06 August 18 15:13 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,  before I go look at names etc of ones I'm trying to find, do you know how I'd go about finding out if someone was deported from Scotland back to italy between 1970 and 73 ? Also if there were any more children born to a couple? This couple are still living though so not sure if allowed to name them on here. Thank you
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 06 August 18 23:01 BST (UK)
Hi mitch601,
Unfortunately I have no idea how to find someone who was deported from Scotland to Itay in the 70's.  To be deported they must have done something criminal and if so they would serve their jail term in the UK.  As far as I know there is no accord UK-Italy for someone to serve sentence in Italy.
Further children; presume its UK and if so you can look up "freebmduk" with the surname and mothers' maiden name.  Putting in a date from the last child and upwards of 2/3/5 years.
If I am not following your questions, give me more info.

As regards the Italians list the names and dob or dom or dod and Italian place of event.  I will see what I can find.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: steve62 on Monday 06 August 18 23:04 BST (UK)
TO ALL AWAITING REPLIES FROM ME.

We are slap bang in the Italian Holiday season when most Italians are on Holiday.  Sooooo, expect a delay.  I will bounce back at the end of August with reminders as there is no point at the moment.

Steve
Title: Re: ITALIAN RESEARCH
Post by: mitch601 on Tuesday 07 August 18 16:22 BST (UK)
Hi Steve, ah ok, that's cool, I was just looking to see if there was a way I could find out if someone (my birth father) HAD been deported. I was told they had been , but have no way of knowing for sure . I did try the embassy IN EDINBURGH 1 but apart from give me his contact details they offered no other info. He is still living but has never acknowledged me hence the reason I am struggling a bit with my family tree. The comune della spezia have been amazing, and gave me what certificates etc they could find. However as I'm going back a wee bit now , info doesn't appear to be there,
Though I have seen a few more names on geneanet that I didn't have before.
As for the other children, no not UK that is to do with my birth father also, I'd never even thought about him having other children until someone asked me a few days ago. (By way just for your info ,he does know about me lol, he married mum the year AFTER I was born) was to find out if was any  children from his 2nd marriage. Don't know if I'm allowed to put his and his wife's names on here if still living?
So  as for my list of names and what I'm looking for are:
 BIRTH ,MARRIAGE ,DEATH FOR :

ADRIANO CHIAPPINI AND CAROLINA OLIVETTI .(parents of silvio)  Have no dates but Adriano was born 18/9/1825 in piano de collecchia. And would have died before 1898 (Was first married to A Rosa arguilla)

Same again for: LUIGI PEDRINI AND MARIA LUCCHESI  (parents of erminia pedrini)

BIRTH AND DEATH OF ERMINIA PEDRINI, BORN AROUND 1876 IN DISTRICT OF BIGLIOLO. DIED BETWEEN 1898 AND 1909

PIETRO LOMBARDI AND BENIGIA ADORNI (BOTH DIED BEFORE 1909)(parents of aida)

LUCA PIETRO PEDRINI CA 1875
TERESA PEDRINI CA 1882
ANTONIO PEDRINI CA 1885
(All siblings of erminia)

Marriage in aulla  for silvio egidio chiappini ( born 23 july 1874 in piano di collechia) and aida Lombardi BORN AROUND 1891 IN DISTRICT OF OLIVOLA (rec 46 , reg in fivizzano Dec 10th 1909)

Death for silvio egidio  chiappini

BIRTH AND DEATH OF:
AIDA LOMBARDI

ALSO Have discovered a sibling of silvio called GUIDITTA CHIAPPINI CA 1861 COLLECHIA, MARRIED ALBINO RICCI 12 NOV 1888 CA 1874


It's a long list, sorry, and don't expect you to do it all, just whatever you can come up with would be a great help to me , no matter how small. I'll still be doing my bit to search as much as I can too, thanks Steve.
 Apologies for not having many dates so if information can't be found on those ones , that's completely understandable. Thanks again.