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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: josey on Saturday 20 December 14 15:28 GMT (UK)
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In 1845 Ann Foulston married John Hayter in Paddington. Her father was Charles Hayter smith [not marked as deceased but that doesn't mean he hadn't died]. She stated she was living in Market Street. Witnesses were Charles Trowsdale & Eleanor Trowsdale [my 3 x g grandparents]. Eleanor had been living at Market Street when she married in 1838, father Charles a blacksmith so I am confidently assuming Ann & Eleanor were sisters.
I have just received a death certificate of Charles Hayter locksmith & bell hanger died 23 Nov 1839 at 40 Percy Street Marylebone. Informant was Ann Foulston [no relationship given :(] of 72 Drummond Street.
I have looked for Ann in Market Street & Drummond Street in 1841 with no success. Unfortunately the writing on the census sheet scans is very faint for both streets [worst for Market Street].
I had earlier found a Charles Hayter locksmith in Robson's 1839 Trade Directory at 4 David Street Marylebone & in an 1845 directory the same or another Charles Hayter locksmith at 12a Great Chesterfield Street. This however could be Eleanor's brother Charles born 1813.
SO ..can anyone please help me find Ann Foulston in 1841? And - is it likely the 1839 death was her father? Can her first marriage to a Foulston be found? Please?
Thank you , Josey
ADDED: Charles Hayter was buried on 1 Dec 1839 in Whitefield's Memorial Church, Tottenham Court Road which was taken down and re-erected in 1890; this new building was totally destroyed by bombing on Palm Sunday 23 Mar 1945 by the last V2 to fall on London.
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How old was Ann when she married or was she just "of full age" ?
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Whoops sorry, forgot all that. 'Full age, widow' in 1845. She was baptised 23 Sep 1810 to Charles & Ann in Marylebone.
I have not found the first marriage but there is a burial of a William Foulston in 1835 aged 35 in Parsons Green.
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Josey, still struggling to find Ann in 1841 :-\ Have you tried to find Ann in 1851, following her second marriage to John Hayter in 1845. Just wondered whether there could have been any children from her first Foulston marriage.
Only thing I can see so far is this christening entry in 1836 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3C7-1QP No idea if connected as can't see anything else so far...
BIG leap of faith, this might be this child in 1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZC-F3B !
Monica
Added: A little more on my 'leap of faith' (struggling to see much more at this point). At the time of George James' christening in 1836, George and Ann Foulston living in Stafford Street. Father George a servant??
George James, son, and his family in:
1871 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD87-KLT
1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3R1-7W6
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Big leap might have wings :D
From 1851:
John Hayter 36 farrier (?) b. Bagshot, Surrey
Ann Hayter 40 b. Marylebone
Amelia Hayter 3 daughter b. Hampstead
George Fowlston 15 son in law (lots of meanings for this in times of old as you know) b. Marylebone
Address: 4 Northend, Hampstead
And 1861:
John Hayter 46
Ann Hayter 48
Amelia Hayter 13
John Hayter 6 son b. Hamstead
Address: 3 Garden Place, Hampstead
Monica
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There's this chap in Mary St, Marylebone in 1841
George J Folston 5
HO107, 684, 31, 56
He appears to be with a Frances Folston, 30 , laundress
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I think George jnr kept things in the family. His wife is Mary Ann - there is a marriage in Pancras in 1859 involving George James and possible spouse Mary Ann Hayter
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1851 - 22 Stafford St
Ann Hayter 63, widow, charwoman
HO107, 1490, 216, 20
Mother?
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That looks really promising for 1841 for young George :) He certainly liked to use his middle name in full or just initial throughout his life....which helps a lot always!
Frances maybe a sister/other family to George Snr. perhaps? Maybe Ann Hayter working to maintain her child etc?
Monica
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1851 - 22 Stafford St
Ann Hayter 63, widow, charwoman
HO107, 1490, 216, 20
Mother?
We have I think a possible 1851 entry above with young George living with mother and her new Hayter family. From what Josey has, Ann Hayter born c. 1810.
Monica
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As mentioned on your other topic, part of the Paddington census is missing.
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my 1851 suggestion was Ann as in widow of Charles and mother of Ann Hayter/Foulston/Hayter - especially given the Stafford St address
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Wow, thank you muchly both; Christmas comes early ;). We DO have wings. Sorry for late response but have been picking last leeks from veg plot, marzipanning cake, etc this am after partying last night while you were slaving at my Hayters :D
Mabel: I have long suspected that the marriage for Charles who had Ann 1810, Amelia 1812, Charles 1813, Richard 1817, Eleanor 1818 was 7 Jan 1810 at St George Hanover Square to Ann Dunevan. This Ann could be https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3M9-RHC; she would be 58 in 1851 but certainly the census you found is likely, address ties up too. If we could only find THIS Ann in 1841 at Market Street......where 2 daughters got married from in 1838 & 1845....
BUT Dawn: What a ...nuisance :(
Monica: I foolishly only had the 1861 census for John & Ann so hadn't noticed George :o. John 1815 was 1st cousin to Charles 1787 of the Staines/Windlesham Hayters & Ann Hayter/Foulston was a 1st cousin once removed of her new husband. John was a nephew of Charles 1787; son of brother Samuel 1760 who had 15 children with 2 wives over 27 years.
I have a comprehensive & well researched descendant list of Charles Hayter 1753 - 1826 blacksmith of Staines from an online contact who however didn't have any information of where his Charles 1787 had got to!! NOW we know! Will look for George J Fowlston in online trees.
Josey
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I think George jnr kept things in the family. His wife is Mary Ann - there is a marriage in Pancras in 1859 involving George James and possible spouse Mary Ann Hayter
And Mary Ann was born in Bagshot ca 1831 from 1871 - 1901 census so also ties up with the Staines/Windlesham Hayters. However I cannot however find an image of the 1859 marriage on ancestry or Mary Ann's baptism on familysearch or her on the census 1841 & 1851 to see whose daughter she is. Is the family getting a bit inbred :o ?
No luck yet in GR or ancestry trees, apart from an Arthur Foulston 1862 on GR. Have contacted member.
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Mabel, sorry, getting goggle eyed yesterday when I saw your entry on Ann Hayter in Stafford Street in 1851. Had searched a lot for Ann Hayter/Foulston, so much that I forgot her mother was also called Ann :P
How exciting to also now have a lead for her too.
Monica
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That branch of the Hayters is probably the reason George James and Mary Ann baptised some of their children in Mortlake & Richmond, despite an abode of Camden Town/Kentish Town
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Arthur is one of George & Mary Ann's
the Hayter connection continues after George James settles in Birmingham. There's an Albert Hayter who witnesses Arthur's marriage
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Arthur is one of George & Mary Ann's
That's what I saw from the censuses - the GR member does not have siblings Frederick & Alice though.
the Hayter connection continues after George James settles in Birmingham. There's an Albert Hayter who witnesses Arthur's marriage
Just to confuse us ;D
Thanks.
ADDED: Failing to find Frances Fo*lston born ca 1810 in censuses after 1851....nor can find a baptism of her or George Fo*lston on familysearch.
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I have a comprehensive & well researched descendant list of Charles Hayter 1753 - 1826 blacksmith of Staines from an online contact...
Is this the one that you mentioned on the other post who left a will? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D179412 Has anyone viewed this to check for clues on his children?
Monica
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Yes, I've had the will since 2009, but hadn't thought he was a Hayter of mine. He was brother to John 1758 [father of Charles 1787] & Samuel 1760. He is son of Charles who married 1753.
Names children Hannah [wife of John Simmons], Elizabeth [wife of Thomas Smith], Richard Hayter, Sarah Hayter, William Hayter. He was born 1754 died 1826.
I have a comprehensive & well researched descendant list of Charles Hayter 1753 - 1826 blacksmith of Staines from an online contact...
Apologies, got the dates wrong, the will is for Charles 1754 - 1826. Value of estate £760.
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Ahh, OK, misunderstood. So, potentially an uncle to Charles b. 1787, great uncle to Eleanor? So no clues there to children from the very immediate direct line you are following here.
Monica
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Yes, that's how I see it... which all fits in with contact's tree who said Charles 1754 - 1826 married Ann Gavell [1752 - 1817] 27 Nov 1777 in Windlesham.
The will of Charles ca 1728 - 1807 [the above Charles' father] has
Will of Charles Hayter of Bagshot, Surrey, Gentleman, 25 Jul 1804
To sons Charles Hayter, John Hayter and Samuel Hayter my wearing apparel, three table and six tea spoons equally between them; my bible to grandson Charles Hayter junior of Staines; all household furniture and linen to Sarah Lambert if living and it is my will that she remain rent free in my present dwelling house until second quarter day next after my decease; residue of estate and effects to my sons Charles Hayter and Samuel Hayter share and share alike as tenants in common; sons Charles Hayter and Samuel Hayter and friend George Harrison of Bagshot, schoolmaster, execs.
Witnesses: Thomas Parrant, Joseph Laird, James Laird
Proved, London, 17 Apr 1807 to Charles Hayter and Samuel Hayter
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Going back to Frances - I was wondering whether this was actually Ann, mistakenly listed, given the similarity of ages?
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Well now, that's a thought Mabel, good thinking....a distinct possibility.
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I think George jnr kept things in the family. His wife is Mary Ann - there is a marriage in Pancras in 1859 involving George James and possible spouse Mary Ann Hayter
And of George & Mary Ann's children, Frederick Foulston married an Emmaline Hayter in 1887 & Alice Foulston married an Albert Hayter in 1900! George & Mary Ann moved to the Birmingham area between the 1871 & 1881 censuses. And I have followed Hayter spouses back and both were descended from Charles Hayter 1728 - 1808 :o
I could be on the track of some new rellies :D
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I am just starting out my research into my tree (Richard Hayter b1807 is my 2nd great grandfather.) son of Samuel 1760-1818. Just want to say that this post has been enlightening.