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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: jamison on Monday 29 December 14 00:18 GMT (UK)
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Dear Chatters
I am looking for any info. on the following family in Scotland
John COUPER
married 1780 Midlothian
Margaret WILSON
son
William COUPER b 1794, Govan, Lanarkshire
married
Janet MCINTOSH b 1803 Edinborough
(JANET MCINTOSH
06 APR 1806 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents:
Father: GEORGE MCINTOSH
Family
Mother: MARGARET STEWART)
Children
Daniel Watson COUPER b 1836 Kilpatrick East, Dunbartonshire
Margt Wilson COUPER b 1840 Kilpatrick East, Dunbartonshire
Jamison
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From FreeCen: http://www.freecen.org.uk/
1841 Census , Avenue Head , East Kirkpatrick -Dunbartonshire
William Couper 40 agricultural labourer b. Outside Census County
Janet McInloch 35 b. OCC
William Couper 11 b. OCC
Peter Couper 9 b. OCC
Donald Couper 5 b. Dunbartonshire
Margaret Couper 6m b. Dunbartonshire
Donald and Daniel are interchangeable names.
Avenuehead , East Kilpatrick -Dunbartonshire
William Couper 55 laborer b. Govan , Lanarkshire
Janet Couper 48 labourer's wife b. Edinburgh , Midlothian
Daniel Watson Couper 14 son scholar b. East Kilpatrick , Dunbartonshire
Margt. Wilson Coupar 10 dau. scholar b. East Kilpatrick , Dumbartonshire
Moderator comment : Please transcribe Census records , do not cut and paste.
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J11
Thanks for the information - something for me to work with !!!
Jamison
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Hi Jamison,
Reading your post there, andI am not sure of the marriage between William Couper b 1794 to Janet McIntosh b 1803, you have date of marriage as 06 Apr 1806, that would make William 12 and Janet 3, so possibly a mistype of date. Could it be 1826 instead? Where did you get this info, seems so complete for that time. The mis-spelling of Edinburgh makes me suspicious too.
Tom
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Hi
1806 date refers to a Janet McIntosh's birth not marriage.
Jamison
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Hi Jamison,
That explains it that then. I thought that you had b 1803 next to Janet, that is why I thought the 1806 date may have been a mis-type. Sorry, I read it differently.
I like the census results that J11 posted, seems to tie in very nice.
Tom
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Scotlands People have an 1836 marriage between William Cooper and Janet McIntosh in East Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire.
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J11
That seems to tie in !!!
Thanks for that.
Jamison
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Looking further into the following people...
George MCINTOSH and Margaret STEWART - mentioned in my original posting.
Looking for their possible marriage date and more children.
Can anyone head me in the right direction.
Jamison
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SP have the following six entries for these parents:
6th April 1806 - McIntosh Janet - George McIntosh & Margaret Stewart - Dalkeith, Midlothian
27th April 1806 - McIntosh Janet - ditto St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh City, Midlothian
23rd April 1809 - McIntosh William - ditto Inveresk & Musselburgh, Midlothian
21st Aug 1811 - McIntosh Mary - ditto Edinburgh, Edinburgh City, Midlothian
15th Sept 1814 - McIntosh Charlotte ditto ditto
20th May 1816 - Macintosh Elizabeth ditto ditto
Regarding the 2 Janets, these are likely to be the same child; born away from home, baptised where born and then registered again in the home parish when the mother returned but would need to see the originals to check.
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J11
Much appreciate the info. you have provided for me.
Something more to look for.
Jamison
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There is an 1804 marriage on SP for a George McIntosh and a Margaret Stewart in Dalkeith, Midlothian. If this is your couple, it may well be that Margaret is from Dalkeith and she and George were living in Edinburgh where he was working. He may or may not have come from there. It was very common for women to return home to their mother's for the birth of their first child which would account for the double baptismal entry. Unfortunately there are no George McIntoshs or Margaret Stewarts born between 1755 and 1790 in Dalkeith so the parents may be incomers or the births not be registered.
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Hi
Hey thanks for the tid-bits - it all helps as l have nothing.
All certs l have and indexes searched suggest she was born in 1806 in Edinburgh/South Leith.
So l will take this one until proven wrong.
Her death cert from Australia shows parents unknown.
Hey really thanks for all your help so far.
Regards
Jamison
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SP have a George McIntosh dying in 1817, Dalkeith. No idea if this is the one married to Margaret Stewart or how much detail Dalkeith pre-1855 death records contain but worth a look.
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A possibility to follow up - you never know !!!
Cheers
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Hi,
I am wondering if you have found out any more information regarding George McIntosh and Margaret Stewart and their family?
I believe their daughter, Charlotte, may be my ancestor as the year and place of birth fit, according to the other information I have regarding Charlotte.
Regards.
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Hi
Past posts do yield something from time to time.
No, l have not gone any further with this as yet.
My Janet also went by another name of du/de Tuloch on a certificate.
Maybe either she was married a first time before William Couper...
or
...her mother married a 2nd time after her father (possibly) died in 1817.
She could have used it from then on.
Does du/de Tuloch come up in your Charlotte’s family name at any time.
Regards
Jamison
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Hi again,
Thanks for the response. No, unfortunately the name du/de Tuloch doesn't mean anything to me.
It appears from your prior post that Janet died in Australia. Interesting, as Charlotte also ended up in Australia.
I can't be certain who Charlotte's parents were, but at the moment George McIntosh and Margaret Stewart seem to be the best fit.
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Ok, not a problem there
When did your Charlotte go out to Australia and where did she live.
Who did she marry and how many children did she have ?
When did she die etc...?
Maybe l could do some digging.
Cheers
Jamison
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Hi Jamison,
Charlotte was transported to Van Diemen's Land in 1835, courtesy of His Majesty's Government. According to her convict record she was born in approximately 1814 and at the time of her conviction was living in North Gray's Close, Edinburgh.
In 1840, Charlotte married Alexander MacDonald in Westbury, Van Diemen's Land. I believe that Charlotte and Alexander had the following children:
- Henry (born 1839)
- Charlotte (born 1841)
- David (born 1844)
In 1846 the family moved to Geelong, Victoria, Australia. Another son (Alexander) was born there.
Charlotte died in 1852 and was buried in Eastern Cemetery, Geelong.
Whereabouts did Janet live in Australia?
Regards
Neil
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Hi Neil
Just checking old posts...
I know it’s been a long time since we last communicated but l hope that you are still out there.
I will check up on Charlotte and see what it yields.
Cheers
Jamison
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Hi Jamison,
Yes, still here. I have not got any further with Charlotte's family. I still think George McIntosh and Margaret Stewart are the most likely to be her parents.
Would be interested to know where in Australia Janet ended up and if she and Charlotte had any contact and also interested in anything else you can find on Charlotte.
Thanks for your message.
Neil
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Hello Neil
Good - do what l can, when possible.
Found 1 of the children’s death register David 1857 aged 13 years old.
Charlotte’s death in 1852 shows no parents in the register.
I’ll keep looking for anything and then let you know.
My Janet died 23 January 1866 in Ararat Vic.
No mention of parents like Charlotte !!
The place is a bit further away from Geelong.
Can’t say if they had contact with each other.
But will let you know of what l come up with.
Cheers
Jamison