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Title: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 31 December 14 16:14 GMT (UK)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=OW19090915.2.173&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0

The newspapers tell the story, but I`m hoping to find where he died and is possibly buried.
Thanks
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: catfordcrooner on Wednesday 31 December 14 17:02 GMT (UK)
He would be hard to track down as he was well travelled. His children were born in County Durham, Carlisle, Yorkshire and as far south as Exmouth in Devon. The 1901 census from Wednesbury says that he was a Publican and Brewer.
Perhaps he travelled to NZ to seek retribution!!! ;D
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 31 December 14 19:30 GMT (UK)
There is not a death for him in NZ BDM's

https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 31 December 14 19:59 GMT (UK)
Just a little snippet.   This will probably be the 10 year that is mentioned in the PP article.

School Records (APWs) - Parent/Guardian

Name : OLDBURY Basil
School : Phillipstown
Register Number : 907
Admission Date : 3 Jul 1905
Parent / Guardian : Isaiah OLDBURY
Address : 9 Tuam St
Birthdate : 30 Jul 1895
Last School : England
Last Day : 03 Apr 1906
Destination : Chaneys Cnr

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 31 December 14 20:06 GMT (UK)
  Sorry, I should have made it clear, I was searching for Isaiah Oldbury, who was a mayor of Wednesbury and also an axle manufacturer.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 31 December 14 20:23 GMT (UK)
Hi,

The only two mentions for an  Isaiah Oldbury that are in my resources is the one I posted  above and the other one in the 1911 Electoral Rolls for Kaiapoi, who was a farmer  and place of residence was Empire Bridge, Chaneys.

So this for elimination then?


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 31 December 14 20:26 GMT (UK)
Just found some divorce papers dated 1908, and from the way I read them Isaiah says ( through his solicitors in London ) he was in NZ at the time of the adultery and still is  .

 I can`t find him in 1901 in England with  Basil,  and can`t even find a birth registration for Basil Oldbury  either . ???


Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Wednesday 31 December 14 20:39 GMT (UK)
Sorry the last sighting is 1911 and as Janette says, there is no death for him.

Are you one of the tree owners on Ancestry?


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Eyesee on Wednesday 31 December 14 21:01 GMT (UK)
Some of the newspaper articles mention about Isaiah selling all his property in NZ, and that it was not known where he now was. Perhaps he left the country once he was found out.

I think you will find the Basil OLDBURY in the school record was Basil I'ANSON, aged 5 in 1901 census, with William and Christina at the Talbot Hotel in Wednesbury,

Ian C
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 31 December 14 22:07 GMT (UK)
Aha, the plot thickens  ;)
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 31 December 14 22:08 GMT (UK)
From the 'Press' dated 21.11.1908:

There is a full description of the property known as the "Empire Bridge Farm", for sale as the owner, Mr. I. OLDBURY is leaving for England..........


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: spades on Wednesday 31 December 14 22:32 GMT (UK)
The Otago Daily Times of 4 August 1904, p.4. THE TURF, refers to an Alderman I. OLDBURY as Mayor of Wednesday.

Scroll down two-thirds of the page to the section of print offset to the right. ::)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eg3/ 

Spades
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 December 14 23:06 GMT (UK)
Just found some divorce papers dated 1908, and from the way I read them Isaiah says ( through his solicitors in London ) he was in NZ at the time of the adultery and still is  .

Are you viewing the Divorce file available on ancestry ?
[The Decree Absolute was handed down on 7 February 1910    I couldn't see (though I only skimmed over it), any mention of Mr OLDBURY beyond 1909 ??     It seems possible that probably changed his identity following all the publicity ?? ]

  ~  Lu

Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 December 14 23:09 GMT (UK)

I think you will find the Basil OLDBURY in the school record was Basil I'ANSON, aged 5 in 1901 census, with William and Christina at the Talbot Hotel in Wednesbury,

Basil I'ANSON and his two siblings are named in the Divorce record (@ ancestry).
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 31 December 14 23:15 GMT (UK)
On FindMyPast there is an entry in the New Zealand postal directories,the heading is
List of manufacturers of British goods for export to NZ the date is 1931



Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 December 14 23:43 GMT (UK)
Seems OLDBURY had a son also named Isaiah (bc 1878) ... and somewhere in the publicity surrounding the I'ANSON divorce, there is mention made of OLDBURY senior having handed over his business interests to a son, before he made the trip to South Africa and later came on to NZ.


Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: jorose on Thursday 01 January 15 12:18 GMT (UK)
Hmm.   http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

In WWI in Australia, a Basil Whitfield Leonard Maydwell, born Exmouth, signed up in Victoria in late 1914
His mother (address "Sea Lake" according to a note giving her consent to him signing up) was Christina Maydwell.

By age he was about right to be Basil I'Anson/Oldbury.  (registered as Basil William L I'Anson, so kept the middle initials at least the same?)

There was also an Ian Christian Maydwell, born Stockton, aged 24 years 8 months in November 1915, who gives his mother as C. Maydwell (same address).   This would seem to fit with William Christian I'Anson, born 1890 in Stockton.

Aha!
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/71776680?searchTerm=%22Ian%20Christian%20Maydwell%22&searchLimits=
Anthony Atkinson I'Anson aka Anthony Atkinson Maydwell passed away (1956/7), intestate to be granted to Ian Christian I'Anson aka Ian Christian Maydwell.

Perhaps someone can find Isiah under "Maydwell"?
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: spades on Thursday 01 January 15 18:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Jorose,

VERY impressive research! 8) 8) 8)

Spades
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 01 January 15 19:02 GMT (UK)
Most excellent work, jorose.   :)
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: jorose on Thursday 01 January 15 21:08 GMT (UK)
Someone has this family line:
http://gw.geneanet.org/sirlan?lang=en;pz=malcolm+basil;nz=i+anson;ocz=0;p=christiana;n=whitfield
So: two children b. "Whitfield" (Anthony Atkinson Whitfield and an Irene), three born "l'Anson" after marriage. Christiana's death was in 1951 NSW as they list it, but under "Maydwell". Interestingly, they also have her possibly married to an "Armstrong" in NZ.  (Possibly another surname for Isaiah?)

Supposedly Christiana went to New Norfolk, Tasmania, before moving to Victoria.
She was in Sea Lake by early 1911 (trove reference to "Mrs Maydell's"):
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/89830848?searchTerm=Maydwell

No trace of Isaiah being with the family in Victoria so I'd guess that either they separated or he passed away in NZ or Australia sometime before 1911 - under what name, though!

http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23
 only "Anthony Ianson" (arrived in 1909 on the Runic)  found on the incoming lists so far - he apparently stayed in the UK and joined the family directly.

You might be able to get in touch with descendants (via top link) and see if they have any clues as to the fate of Isaiah...
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 02 January 15 10:12 GMT (UK)
That is very interesting. I`m helping a friend with his family,  and his Gt gt Grandmother was Hannah Oldbury, b 1838  Wednesbury.  Her father was Isaiah  a coach smith and also she had a brother of that same name.   I have a feeling this one who went to NZ was her brother.
Incidentally Hannah married 3 times, but I am sure the second husband  didn`t die before she married the third.
I found him up till 1891. Moses Southall there is only one of that name and age in the OK census.
A family habit perhaps  ;)
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 02 January 15 10:52 GMT (UK)
in 1901 Wednesbury
Isaiah Oldbury  60 coach iron manufacturer
 Sarah A Oldbury  63

1911
S A  Oldbury 73  b Wednesbury
She states she is married, but there is no sign of Isaiah . maybe he is in NZ.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: JoannaBailey on Saturday 05 December 15 17:13 GMT (UK)
Isaiah senior died in Middlesex England in 1922.  I have a copy of his will.  Everything was left to his estranged wife, Sarah Ann, who continued to live in Wednesbury after he abandoned her.  Presumably he and Christiana parted company and he returned to England.
I am interested in F Maydwell.  I can find no reference to a marriage with Christiana.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 06 December 15 10:38 GMT (UK)
Well, that`s a surprise.
Are you related ?
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: JoannaBailey on Monday 07 December 15 14:53 GMT (UK)
Christiana Whitfield's father is my relative. 
Happy to share any information. I have a tree on Ancestry.
Do you have any information on the Maydwell connection?
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 07 December 15 16:00 GMT (UK)
I have no connection with anyone. Presumably the Maydwell marriage  was in NZ.
I have been researching the Oldbury family for a friend of my cousin. I am in Wales. 
It`s odd but even though Isaiah`s probate states he died 6 Jan 1922 in Middlesex I can`t find him in  any death indexes. 
He was born 1841 so was about 81. Considering he had been a successful business man he didn`t leave much.
This must be Sarah Ann.
Sarah A Oldbury death
Sep 1924 Age at Death:86
Registration district: West Bromwich
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 10 December 15 15:24 GMT (UK)
Joanna, is there any detail in the will about where he died.
He isn`t showing in any online death indexes , Could he have died overseas ?
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: JoannaBailey on Friday 11 December 15 08:47 GMT (UK)
53 Torrington Square Middlesex is the entry on the Probate record.  My tree on Ancestry is Bailey_Joanna it's all on there.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: JoannaBailey on Friday 11 December 15 09:27 GMT (UK)
As for the money, I think he passed his business assets to his son.  Not sure what happened after he sold Empire Farm...  No idea why he doesn't appear on any death indexes.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 11 December 15 11:58 GMT (UK)
Joanne, do you have the actual will, or just the probate entry as on your Anc page.
It would be interesting to see it all  and perhaps have some clues.
Isiah is proving very difficult to find.
Am sending you a PM.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: JoannaBailey on Friday 11 December 15 16:59 GMT (UK)
I don't know what a PM is...
Here is the will...interesting that it refers to an alias: John Wilson.
Also, his executor is in Australia...
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: JenB on Friday 11 December 15 18:07 GMT (UK)
It looks possible that he was registered and buried as John Wilson.
Please see the other thread on the same topic http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736841.msg5828321#msg5828321
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 11 December 15 18:21 GMT (UK)
I don't know what a PM is...
Here is the will...interesting that it refers to an alias: John Wilson.
Also, his executor is in Australia...

if you look at the black bar at the top of the page, you will see HOME FORUM etc and the MY MESSAGES. Click on that and hopefully you will see my message.
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Saturday 12 December 15 09:32 GMT (UK)
I don't know what a PM is...
Here is the will...interesting that it refers to an alias: John Wilson.
Also, his executor is in Australia...

I downloaded the will, but it won`t open. 

Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: wilcoxon on Sunday 13 December 15 11:22 GMT (UK)
I now have the will .
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: david.povey5 on Tuesday 13 June 17 13:42 BST (UK)
Christiana Whitfield was my great, great grandmother. My grandmother was Ianthy Ethel Maydwell. Christiana took up the Maydwell surname as an alias, as her and Isaiah split when they reached Melbourne, Victoria, Australia after leaving Tasmania, Australia sometime circa 1909-1911.

I have researched as much as I can....it can all be found on Ancestry. The only child of Christiana's that detail is scarce on is that of her youngest daughter Christina Whitfield...all the other children have been accounted for.

I hope this helps...
Title: Re: Where did this man die.
Post by: SharonMaydwell on Tuesday 02 January 18 21:56 GMT (UK)
My grandfather was Ian Christian Maydwell and I would love to get a copy of the Maydwell/I'Anson family tree.  My father was Noel Clifton Maydwell.