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Title: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 20 March 15 20:03 GMT (UK)
I am pleased to announce that in collaboration with the British Home Child Group International we will shortly be adding a database of over 20.000 British Home Children (BHC) records to the Database for Special Interest Groups - DBSIG.

I will start by adding a few hundred records this weekend, so the BHC admins can test the data and layouts, before I add the rest of the records. Due to pressures of (other) work, it may take a while, before the whole database is available, so please be patient.

I have deliberately disabled adding and editing records until the whole database is loaded.

Apart from the test aspects, I want people to be able to search the whole database to see if "their" Home Children are already in the database before before they start adding their records. Otherwise we may end up with duplicates.

Once data is available, you can help the BHC coordinators by adding your comments about the general layout, etc, etc, here on this topic.

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children
Post by: tidybooks on Saturday 21 March 15 01:46 GMT (UK)
Bob,

This is one of my pet subjects. More power to you, I cannot wait until it is completed.

Tom
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Saturday 21 March 15 08:43 GMT (UK)
There are now 871* BHC (British Home Child) records in the database !

Everybody is welcome to have a look, even if you don't have any BHC ancestors.
Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php)  Database for Special Interest Groups DBSIG  (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)

Let me know here if you see any errors **

Enjoy,
Bob


* Why 871 ? 
I took the first block of records, numbered from 1 to 1000.
Sounds good, an even number and all that, but some of the earliest records had been deleted, so there are only 871 records in the "first 1000".

** But don't bother telling me that the page-view and the quick-links don't work on any records found in the advanced search ---- I already know that !!  ;D
(still working on it :) )
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children
Post by: Sandranne on Saturday 21 March 15 11:59 GMT (UK)
Seems easy to navigate  :) This is going to be great!
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children
Post by: KarenM on Saturday 21 March 15 15:58 GMT (UK)
Wonderful Bob!

Karen
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 22 March 15 10:17 GMT (UK)
The 871 records were looking a bit lonely so I've added some more ...

There are now 1834 records in the database !

Enjoy :)
Bob
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: sballinger on Sunday 22 March 15 12:58 GMT (UK)
This is great. How do I add my two BHC's?
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 22 March 15 16:18 GMT (UK)
Lovely to see all the positive reactions :)

@ sballinger
sorry, but ....
Quote
I have deliberately disabled adding and editing records until the whole database is loaded.

Apart from the test aspects, I want people to be able to search the whole database to see if "their" Home Children are already in the database before before they start adding their records. Otherwise we may end up with duplicates.

I have a lot of other stuff to do this coming week, so I won't be able to work on this till next weekend. So as a consolation I've added some more records. There are now 2818 records in the database, and that's it, for the next few days.

Even with nearly 3000 records it is becoming obvious that I will have to add paging mechanismus before I add too many more records ... clicking on 'B' shows 586 names already, and 'S' has even more - 655 !

And that is with only one seventh of the records loaded  ::)

Enjoy :)
Bob

ps.  and when I'm done here, I'll then have to add paging to the SIT (http://surname.rootschat.com/) database - there are over 150.000 records there !!!
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: rolnora on Sunday 22 March 15 16:32 GMT (UK)
Bob,
Thanks for this, it's brilliant  :D
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: lemur41 on Monday 23 March 15 12:46 GMT (UK)
Bob

Thank you so much, I checked last night and to my amazement our family member is already  there.

I can  give  more details about his life if needed

lemur41
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Monday 23 March 15 13:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Lemur,

Did you add yourself as "researcher" in the table view ? :)
Then anybody else looking at the table will also know you are researching this name.

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I can  give  more details about his life if needed
This will be the next step when I've finished loading all the records. Normally if you want to add details, you would send the Submitter a PM directly, or add something to the "Readers Comments" field and then PM the Submitter. However, as these records have all been submitted from another database, we don't have a "Submitter". 

I have suggested to the BHCGI that they appoint one or more people as "coordinators" for the database, and then comments can be addressed to them. But more on that later ...

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: lemur41 on Monday 23 March 15 13:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Bob,

No I didn't add myself, will go back and do that. It took me several years to find this person, he was an only child, and his marriage was childless. I "claimed him " on the Canadian website that was set up a few years ago, and added our contact details, as well as leaving them with the Home that arranged his transfer to Canada.

I'm not expecting any contact regarding him, he had a difficult early life, as well as his experiences as a Home Child



I do  have a  photo of him taken in Canada with his wife ( who is the actual blood relative to us). She was a WW1 War bride
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: aves on Monday 23 March 15 17:55 GMT (UK)
Can't wait to add my grandfather's sister.  After receiving his Liverpool Sheltering records it said his older sister was also in service.  I have not found his sister being sent to Canada.
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Monday 30 March 15 17:18 BST (UK)
5787 records

Tendency: rising !

Bob


Everybody is welcome to have a look, even if you don't have any BHC ancestors.
Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php)  Database for Special Interest Groups DBSIG  (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: alanmack on Wednesday 01 April 15 22:18 BST (UK)
Hi Bob,
          That seems to be halfway to completion tonight and my two people of interest are in there! I'm now itching to put my name against them as researcher and maybe add a few notes if that facility exists.

Well done, keep up the good work and thank you.

alanmack

Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: DavidJP on Wednesday 01 April 15 22:37 BST (UK)
Hi Bob,

This is a wonderful project! Just found my family member on there! When the bits for adding extra info & adding myself as researcher are operational, I have a lot more info/detail regarding him to add.

Thanks again.

Kind regards

David
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: KarenM on Thursday 02 April 15 00:28 BST (UK)
This is wonderful Bob!  I just checked and it looks like 10,000 names are there!

It will be exciting once they are all added and then members can add more!

Karen
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Thursday 02 April 15 06:57 BST (UK)
Thank you for your feedback, glad you like it :)

I'm now itching to put my name against them as researcher and maybe add a few notes if that facility exists.

When the bits for adding extra info & adding myself as researcher are operational, I have a lot more info/detail regarding him to add.

Those "bits" are already operational.  Go to the page view of any of your ancestors and look at the bottom of the page.

see also: http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=1&show=gi#gi

regards,
Bob

Everybody is welcome to have a look, even if you don't have any BHC ancestors.
Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php)  Database for Special Interest Groups DBSIG  (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: alanmack on Thursday 02 April 15 16:26 BST (UK)
Thank you for your feedback, glad you like it :)

 Well, here's a bit more  :o

Those "bits" are already operational.  Go to the page view of any of your ancestors and look at the bottom of the page.

Thank you Bob for the pointers. My confusion lay in not realising that the little icon on the Lhs was anything other than decoration. Would a tooltip be possible? (other than "Shift+R etc") Clicking on the surname only brings up a list of persons with that name, also confusing. I was also wondering about the usefulness if the ship's name included the year e.g. 1909 : Scythian and 1911 : Scythian were separate entities for sorting. Not foolproof as some ships made three trips a year but gives a tighter search result.

alanmack
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Thursday 02 April 15 17:20 BST (UK)
Hi Alan,

If you hover with the mouse over that "little icon" you should see a tooltip "Page view" (see also the Help page from my previous reply.

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I was also wondering about the usefulness if the ship's name included the year e.g. 1909 : Scythian and 1911 : Scythian were separate entities for sorting. Not foolproof as some ships made three trips a year but gives a tighter search result.
That seemed the quickest way for the Quick Search. But it does bring up a lot of hits, so I'll have a think about that one.

And you can always enter the ship's name and year in the Advanced Search, if you (or anybody) are really interested in just one year :)

regards,
Bob

Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php)  Database for Special Interest Groups DBSIG  (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: DavidJP on Thursday 02 April 15 17:41 BST (UK)
Thank you for your feedback, glad you like it :)

When the bits for adding extra info & adding myself as researcher are operational, I have a lot more info/detail regarding him to add.

Those "bits" are already operational.  Go to the page view of any of your ancestors and look at the bottom of the page.

see also: http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=1&show=gi#gi

regards,
Bob

Hi Bob,

Many thanks for your reply, much appreciated.

I hadn't realised those 'bits' were operational. My apologies, I shall go & take a closer look & see about adding myself as researcher as well as adding other info to the record for my family member.

Kind regards

David
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: alanmack on Thursday 02 April 15 19:25 BST (UK)
If you hover with the mouse over that "little icon" you should see a tooltip "Page view" (see also the Help page from my previous reply.

Not working for me I'm afraid - just getting the text "Shift+R etc . . .". Whereas the tooltip shows "View Forum Profile" then all the Shift+R stuff against the icon by my handle as researcher for my two Burdons.

 
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And you can always enter the ship's name and year in the Advanced Search, if you (or anybody) are really interested in just one year

Agreed.

alanmack
Title: Re: A RootsChat database for British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 03 April 15 11:02 BST (UK)
The reason why this is happening is more of a general nature, so I've split off the discussion to a new topic in "Technical Help"

Topic: Unexpected "tooltips" in browser
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=717285.0

Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 10 April 15 16:30 BST (UK)
The British Home Children database is "open for business" :)

You can find it by clicking on the link at the bottom of any RootsChat page:
Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/)  and then clicking on
Database for Special Interest Groups DBSIG (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php) and selecting British Home Children

There is a Help page too,
direct link: http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=1&show=gi#gi
(some of the images need renewing, but the basic details are all there)

Over 21000 records have been added from the original database, so before adding your data, please search it carefully, to see if your records are already there.

If you find any records of your ancestors (or research interests), you can add yourself to the list of researchers for this person, add comments to the record, and contact the submitter per PM.

If there is no submitter (e.g. original database) then please post on the topic:
A Rootschat Database for British Home Children (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=716214.0)
or contact the Data Coordinators.

The Data Coordinators for the "DBSIG British Home Children" :

KarenM (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16715)  and  mollipops1 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=241138)


For technical questions, problems and suggestions for improvements, please post on this topic here !

Enjoy,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: JennRac on Monday 13 April 15 01:48 BST (UK)
This is great, can't wait until all the records are uploaded! So far my ancestor's information hasn't been uploaded!
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Monday 13 April 15 07:14 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

I have now uploaded all the records from the orginal database.
If your ancesters records are not there, you can now add them yourself.

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 17 April 15 19:32 BST (UK)
As some ships made several sailings a year to Canada, I've added the "Month of Arrival" to the table view in the QuickSearch.

And in the AdvancedSearch you can also enter the Month of Arrival, so you can now use these three facts - ship, year and month - to get all passengers (in the database) from that particular voyage.

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: LMB30 on Thursday 23 April 15 23:59 BST (UK)
I've added some information to Jooseph Berner.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 24 April 15 06:30 BST (UK)
Hi LBM30,

Where have you added the info. ? I don't see it in the database:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=1&letter1=B&letter2=6&view=7421

regards,
Bob

DBSIG access:
>> Reference Library (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
>> DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups
>> Select your interest


or direct: http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_num=1
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: LMB30 on Sunday 26 April 15 14:59 BST (UK)
Hi

Couldn't find it either??
so I've added it again to the readers comments and saved it? alternatively I could send the information to you.
'Joseph Edward Berner
12.7.1915 enlisted Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Force in Montreal. Killed in action 17.1.1917 France. Buried Maroueil British Cemetery. Plot 3 Row 3 Grave 15'

I haven't found how he got back to Montreal seeing that he was deported in August 1914.  His brother, Charles, enlisted in the British Army in May 1915 and was died from gun shot wounds December 1915.  Buried in Belgium.

Regards

Lesley

Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 26 April 15 15:22 BST (UK)
Hi,

Just in case you were not aware - The Canadian Military Files for WW1 are in the process of being digitalised but those with the surname B are now complete.   The complete Military File for Joseph Edward Berner is available on the link below. (First page is a little dark but scroll down and you will find lots of info)

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B0680-S005

Or click on the Digitized service file - PDF format on the right hand side of this page (rather slow to load unfortunately)

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=40374

Sandra
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: LMB30 on Thursday 30 April 15 00:01 BST (UK)
thanks Sandra. Very helpful

Lesley :)
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: ianwade100 on Tuesday 14 July 15 07:28 BST (UK)
Hi
My grandad and his brother went to.Canada and ended up fighting for the Canadian army.

Robert rockett.west
George thomas west

Never knew what happened to George :(
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: alanmack on Tuesday 14 July 15 10:58 BST (UK)
Hi Ian,
        Sadly neither of these chaps are on our system (yet!).
     
         I suggest you go to the Library and Archives Canada Home Child search page :-

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/immigration-records.aspx

With such a distinctive moniker I quickly found Robert Rockett West as late as 1929. George was more trouble but I think I found him using just "George West". I think he is the last entry in the results (1927). You'd have to satisfy yourself if that is correct.

alanmack
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: ianwade100 on Tuesday 14 July 15 20:00 BST (UK)
Thank you ever so much for your time
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: hart_em on Wednesday 20 April 16 02:33 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for doing this. 😀
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Judy Atkinson on Thursday 15 December 16 23:27 GMT (UK)
I am trying to participate and have not found my BHC in the database.    How do I add them?
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Judy Atkinson on Thursday 15 December 16 23:29 GMT (UK)
what must I do to get the rights to add my BHCs to the database and what other functions can I access from Roots chat?
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Judy Atkinson on Thursday 15 December 16 23:43 GMT (UK)
Thomas Auld
Aug 13 1888 Bridge of Weir, cottage 1 Broadfield Home
Mar 15 1889 SS Siberian to Canada
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Judy Atkinson on Thursday 15 December 16 23:44 GMT (UK)
Mary Moncur
Feb 11 1885 Bridge of Weir cottage 9
Jun 13 1885 SS Siberian to Canada
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 18 December 16 08:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Judi,

Welcome to RootsChat, and to the BHC database :)

Just go to the BHC page
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=British+Home+Children

and click on "Add Record".  Your entries should then be added to the database.

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: mollipops1 on Sunday 26 March 17 06:10 BST (UK)
Please help, Bob! I got an error message - 'invalid date' - when I tried to save a new record. 

I've tried deleting all dates, tried starting a new tab but to no avail. The error now comes up even before I try to save!

I had been merrily adding names to that point but it really does seem to have an aversion to poor Peter McKenna.

Any ideas please??

UPDATE - after restarting the PC seems all good again. Just a glitch hopefully! :-)
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children- trying to add name
Post by: janismccahill on Sunday 16 April 17 16:43 BST (UK)
Hi
I am trying to add a name to your database. I keep getting this message "The PM system will be available to you as soon as you have made 2 postings in the RootsChat forum."
I have belonged to Rootschat since 2010. Do you want 2 posts specifically to your forum?
Not sure what the problem is.
Thanks,
Janis
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Monday 17 April 17 08:15 BST (UK)
Hi Janis,

We've had this problem before and I (still) don't know the cause.

I've now entered your name manually in the list of DBSIG users; please try again.
If it still doesn't work, I can only suggest logging out of RootsChat, deleting all your RootsChat cookies and logging in again.

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janismccahill on Monday 17 April 17 14:46 BST (UK)
Thanks Bob
I will give it a try
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janismccahill on Monday 17 April 17 14:50 BST (UK)
Hi Bob
Sorry to bother you again. I tried both suggestions. It's not working for me.
Thanks for trying
Janis
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janismccahill on Saturday 06 May 17 01:13 BST (UK)
Hi Bob,
I am now able to add to the database. Thanks for your help.
Janis
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: DFKBurr on Saturday 06 May 17 03:12 BST (UK)
I had submitted records for two sisters who were BHC to the Perry Snow Database in 2010. I now have significant more information on these two sisters. Significantly these children left England 118 years ago today. Bertha Hilda Winters (name sometimes recorded as Winter) was born June quarter 1891 in Wisbech, Cambridgeshire, England. Her sister Ethel May Winters was born in September 1892. Their brother Herbert Mays Winters was born in March 1894 and their baby sister Gladys Grace was born in September 1896. They were the children of Robert John Winters and Mary Naomi Bridges. Mary Naomi, died in the December quarter of 1896 leaving Robert with 4 young children, the oldest only 6 years old. On May 5, 1899 the three oldest children came to Canada with the Annie McPherson agency. They sailed on the Gallia and were sent to Stratford Ontario. By the 1901 census Bertha was living with the Sparling family in Plympton Twp. Lambton County Ontario and her sister Ethel was living with the Core family in nearby Forest, Ontario. (this family is related to my husband).  I have not yet been able to find Herbert in 1901. Little Gladys is living with her father as lodgers still in Cambridgeshire, England. Once I had found the parents of the Winters children I was able to track them here in Canada. In 1914 Bertha married another BHC named Frederick Pike. In 1920 the sisters sent for Gladys and the ships records indicate her passage was paid for by her sister Ethel and in 1921 Gladys is living with her sister Bertha and her family. In 1925 Ethel married Arthur Hastings in Port Huron, Michigan. I picked up the trail of Herbert and found him living in New York State where he joined the US Army near the end of WW1. Herbert remained in the US and after his death, his sister Ethel applied for and received a military headstone for him, which is placed in the Lakeside Cemetery in Port Huron. Gladys never married and Herbert may have been married and divorced but neither of them had children. Bertha and her husband Fred Pike had 8 children and Ethel and her husband Arthur Hastings had one daughter. The most heart warming part of this story of such young children being sent to Canada and separated, is that they appear to have stayed in touch all of their lives.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: mollipops1 on Sunday 07 May 17 09:59 BST (UK)
That is great - thank you, what a lot of valuable information. How wonderful that the siblings were reunited, as that so often did not happen.

I will update the profiles :)
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janetm on Monday 07 August 17 13:54 BST (UK)
My person of interest Walter Lotto who arrived in Canada on the SS Manitoban in 1881 is not on the database yet, I have been in touch with the Quarriers website and they are sending me all details they have of Walter, his family and hopefully where he was sent to after arriving at Marchmont Home.  I do have a website which may be of interest to anyone who has ancestors from the Quarrier Homes :
http://content.iriss.org.uk/goldenbridge/index.html

Just out of curiosity will the children from the Manitoban be added? This vessel does not appear in the immigration reports as having carried children but it did have a Quarrier party on board. Miss Billbrough and Miss Quarrier were in charge of the children.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: mollipops1 on Tuesday 08 August 17 01:15 BST (UK)
Thank you janetm - very interesting!

I have found this listing - https://personal.uwaterloo.ca/marj/genealogy/children/manitoban.html

This shows all the children - quite a few, mostly from Scotland.

I will take a look at the details and this should be added to the database in the near future.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janetm on Tuesday 08 August 17 05:53 BST (UK)
Many thanks, there are many sites with the children from the Manitoban :)
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Romilly on Wednesday 09 August 17 10:49 BST (UK)

Many thanks for this invaluable research aid Bob.

My two Great Uncles, Ernest Henry and Norman Claude WARREN (British Home Children) are on there.

I found the Site very easy to navigate.

Romilly.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: James Abinger on Wednesday 16 August 17 13:45 BST (UK)
Hi Mollypops,
I notice you edited the roots.chat.com profile of Elizabeth Winkle http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=1&p1_county_code=STS&view=16117

I would like to communicate with you about this profile, since my research has revealed quite a lot more information about Elizabeth and her ancestry. I would also like to know who posted the original information, as I wish to contact descendants of Elizabeth who may be still living in the Stoke-upon-Trent area of England.

Is there a way that I can post a request on this site for descendants or other interested family members to contact me ?

Thank you.

James
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janetm on Wednesday 16 August 17 16:57 BST (UK)
Thank you janetm - very interesting!

I have found this listing - https://personal.uwaterloo.ca/marj/genealogy/children/manitoban.html

This shows all the children - quite a few, mostly from Scotland.

I will take a look at the details and this should be added to the database in the near future.

Any nearer to adding these children ?
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: mollipops1 on Thursday 17 August 17 01:27 BST (UK)
Hello James

Re Elizabeth WINKLE

Feel free to send me a PM (private message) by clicking on my username. Happy to add any further information you'd like to share - unfortunately as you have discovered there is a character limit for adding notes to the pages. Please include sources if possible.

Perhaps start a new post in the message boards about this family, wherever you feel appropriate e.g. Canada to find other interested people.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: mollipops1 on Thursday 17 August 17 01:29 BST (UK)
Hello janetm

No sorry. I need to locate a source that is not subject to copyright.

Also I do this in my spare time, which has been limited by work and theatre commitments lately!

I promise not to forget  the children of the Manitoban :)
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janetm on Thursday 17 August 17 10:21 BST (UK)
The 1881 Scottish Census shows all the children as they were aboard the SS Manitoban (Registration district: Shipping At Sea)
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: James Abinger on Thursday 17 August 17 14:52 BST (UK)
Thanks Mollipops!
I really just wanted to know where the original post information came from 'Created : 2012-03-11 19:32:38 / From original database', since there is a lot of information listed here that my family was previously unaware of. I assume some of it's taken from the BHC landing records. But certain things like the 'marriage of Elizabeth in 1902 to John Alex Stewart, 35, laborer, born in Memphis, USA' are a mystery to us and would not have been included in the BHC records since it happened 19 years after her arrival in Canada. I wonder where this info came from?

I'd be happy to start a new post, but we already know about all of Elizabeth's Canadian relatives (my wife's mother's immediate family), so it's ones in the UK - possibly still living in Staffordshire -who we would like to track down. I suspect they have no idea of their relationship with Elizabeth, since her lineage was difficult to trace even using several different genealogy sources. We were greatly helped by Ian Winkle who is a very skilled family researcher.

Many thanks,

James
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: mollipops1 on Friday 18 August 17 02:45 BST (UK)

I really just wanted to know where the original post information came from 'Created : 2012-03-11 19:32:38 / From original database', since there is a lot of information listed here that my family was previously unaware of. I assume some of it's taken from the BHC landing records. But certain things like the 'marriage of Elizabeth in 1902 to John Alex Stewart, 35, laborer, born in Memphis, USA' are a mystery to us and would not have been included in the BHC records since it happened 19 years after her arrival in Canada. I wonder where this info came from?

James

There has since been another update by a 'guest' (not identified) who states this Elizabeth was actually born WINKER in Stoke upon Trent in 1875, not as WINKLE in 1876. This does seem to fit other information.

As for the marriage, I am not sure about the original database - perhaps Berlin-Bob can help?
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 18 August 17 07:14 BST (UK)
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I really just wanted to know where the original post information came from 'Created : 2012-03-11 19:32:38 / From original database', since there is a lot of information listed here that my family was previously unaware of.

Very exciting news!

In collaboration with the British Home Child Group International (BHCGI) a database of over 20,000 British Home Children (BHC) compiled by Norah Dennis will be added to the Database for Special Interest Groups - DBSIG.

A few hundred records will be added this weekend, so the BHC admins can test the data and layouts, before the rest of the records. Until the database is fully loaded, the add and edit buttons will be disabled.

Please see Berlin-Bob's thread for more information.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=716206.0

And a link to the Database for Special Interest Groups

http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php

Karen

Nora Dennis had to give up the database and rather than see it all wasted, she asked RootsChat whether we would host the data - which we did :)

Over 21000 records have been added from the original database and we/you have been updating it since. Today we have  24262 entries in the BHC database.

Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: James Abinger on Friday 18 August 17 13:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Mollypops and Berlin Bob.
I was the 'guest' who added a post to Elizabeth Winkle's profile yesterday. I am still trying to figure out how to use your site efficiently! I will be happy to add what additional information I have gathered about Elizabeth Winkle. The original data from Nora Dennis posted in March 2012 is certainly very interesting, but I admit to being mystified about the origin of some of the information.

James
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: janetm on Friday 25 August 17 12:18 BST (UK)
I have added Walter Lotto to the database  ;D
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 27 August 17 17:01 BST (UK)
On behalf of "alanmack" I have just added 118 BHC children from the ship "Samaratian", landing in Canada in 1872.

Just in case anybody else would like to do it this way, here is how !

Alan sent me a text file with 118 lines: each line consists of
Surname, Forename, DOB

He sent me a second file containing the following "global" data:
Quote
Static Data Sarmatian Aug 1872

   DOB Year status = "approx"

   Country of Arrival = "CAN"

   Date of arrival = 17-08-1872
   Status = "exact"

   Ship = "Sarmatian"

   Agency (Canada)   = Macpherson Homes

   No family Link/created by alanmack

I imported the name file to an excel table, and then added the static data to each line.
After exporting this as a CSV file I added a few "nuts and bolts", renamed it as an SQL file and wrote the data directly into the database.

This sounds more complicated writing about it; in fact it is fairly easy and fast.

So if any of you are transcribing ships lists and want to save yourselves some work, do it Alan's way and send me the files :)

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: cherylcam on Monday 04 September 17 16:30 BST (UK)
Hi everyone. I would very much like to add my BHC but can't figure out how to do that. When I click on Add new record I get a message about PM's but my pm's are activated.
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Tuesday 05 September 17 06:52 BST (UK)
Hi Cheryl,

You may have to logout of RootsChat, delete all your cookies and then try again.
If you don't want to delete all your cookies, then just delete any with "RootsChat" in the name.

If that doesn't work, let me know.

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: David C. Mackechnie on Monday 18 December 17 19:39 GMT (UK)
I am not sure what has been more frustrating....years trying to find any information on my BHC grandfather, or trying to enter his information in this database.
Extremely frustrating.  I keep getting the must be able to use the PM system message. Have cleared all Rootschat cookies, etc., etc......
HELP! Please!
Thanks
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Wednesday 20 December 17 08:01 GMT (UK)
Hi David,

I've entered your user name manually in the database.
Please try again (and let me know ihow you get on)

regards,
Bob
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: David C. Mackechnie on Wednesday 20 December 17 15:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Bob,  Thanks for your response.  Tried again this morning after clearing all RootsChat cookies.  As you can see from the attached, nothing has changed!
Thanks anyway...
David
Title: Re: DBSIG: British Home Children.
Post by: Romilly on Wednesday 20 December 17 21:27 GMT (UK)

Well I didn't have any problems when I added my 2 Great Uncles.

Romilly.