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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: whiteout7 on Sunday 12 April 15 05:21 BST (UK)
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Now this is kind of annoying. For years my family thought we had no Clark relatives.
I just got this mans details today his father was David Clark and his mother Annie Ireland.
Andrew Proudfoot Clark was born 1907 in Dysart died 1989
and the same with his sister.
Jessie Dougall Gray Clark was born 1904 in Dysart died 1982
The thing is they have the same parents as my David Clark born 1894. There would be a 10 year gap between David and Jessie. How does that even happen?
The parents were David Clark and Annie Ireland married at Kingskettle in 1893
Could this explain why gr.grandad David Clark born 1894 in Edinburgh never mentioned them?
I can't seem to get this mans birthcert of sp! We know his parents from death cert and we know they lived in Dysart, next door to his wife, Isabella Lister.
Andrew Proudfoot Clark and his wife Alison Baird Taylor (or Gilchrist) are both deceased now. It would have been nice to know of them earlier. And I'd love to see a photograph.
Jessie Clark didn't marry, I think.
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Hi there,
Having seen that you mentioned a Lister relative and my husband also has a Lister relative, I took a wee look on Scotlands People to see if I could find out a bit more about the family.
Have you had a look on Scotlands People? How did you find out about Andrew and Jessie?
Jessie did indeed marry and her marriage certificate is on SP showing a marriage to a Thomas Watson Carr in 1934 in Kirkcaldy and her brother, Andrew appears to have been one of the witnesses. The certificate also states that her father was deceased at that point.
I also found several people who have passed away with the Clark surname whose Mother's maiden name was Ireland and who could have been children of David Clark and Annie Ireland or Clark.
One of these people was Annie Ireland Clark who seems to have been born c.1900 and got married to a James Falconer in 1928 in Lochgelly. This certificate also shows that her father was deceased at this point. The certificate also states that she was a widow and her previous married name was Laurie, however, I can't find a marriage for those names. Funnily enough, I have Laurie in my tree too!
At the turn of the last century, many people had large families with big differences in ages of the children so it seems it was quite easy for them not to be very close. My Maternal Great Granny started having children in 1887 and stopped in 1909 (15 in total) and many of their families did not know the others and never realised the size of their family! Family life was quite different!
All the best,
Carolineasb
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My information is off Scotlandspeople birth, death, marriage and census.
Jessie Dougall Gray Clark died with that name, so it seems unlikely that the Jessie you mention is the same person.
My interest is around the Clarks and Listers that lived on Strathern Road, Dysart since we have family papers from that period of time that were removed from Scotland during WW2.
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Hi there,
The Jessie I mentioned is indeed the daughter of David and Annie as I have viewed the marriage certificate. She is listed not only under her maiden name in the death index listing on SP but also with the other name of Carr. Annie Ireland Clark or Laurie or Falconer is also a child of David and Annie. There may be more as these are the only 2 marriages I looked at and I have not viewed any births.
Carolineasb
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I think I might have my family:
David Clark 28 1873 born Fife
Annie (Ireland) 26 1875 born Leven
David Clark 6 1895 born Leven
Helen Clark 5 1896 born Kirkaldy
Annie Clark 0 1901 born Kirkaldy
I remember discounting this family as I was confused by the name Helen but it makes sense now as David Clark born 1873 was the son of a Helen Wilkinson from Kettlehill.
So perhaps I need to go into the next census then I will pick up
Andrew Proudfoot Clark 1907
and
Jessie Doughall Clark 1904
I was totally unaware of Helen, Annie, Andrew and Jessie when I started this family tree.
Mucking around in the Sp index I can only see 4 deaths with the mothers maiden name Ireland and fathers name Clark in Fife. The 5th child died in NZ.
Thankyou Carolineasb :)
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Finally I found them in the 1911 using Jessie Clarks details!
David born in Kingskettle (actually Kettlehill)
Annie born in Scoonie (other name Leven)
David born in Wemyss !!! (death cert stated Edinburgh)
Nellie W.S? (I think is Helen Wilkinson Clark) born Kirkaldy
Annie, Jessie and Andrew born in Dysart.
Still have not managed to get the birth cert of David Clark born 1895. Frustrating and expensive but at least I know he was not born in Edinburgh.
I'm pretty shocked that there may have been another child born in 1919 called Gwendoline Clark, who died aged 94
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Jessie Clark married Thomas Watson Carr in 1934 in Kirkcaldy.
I wonder if this is him
"Lance-Sergeant Thomas- Watson Carr, a Royal Artillery Gunner, disturbing the peace in a public house at 52 High Street, Kirkaldy" 20 Jan 1941, Dundee Evening Telegraph
(might have to save up for GenesReunited papers)
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A Thomas Watson Carr died in 1967 in Kirkaldy, Fife. Jessie Doughall Clark died in 1982 in the same place.
Wonder if these ladies are relatives?
Isabella Black nee Carr died 1990
Isobel Black Reid nee Carr died 2002
Andrew Proudfoot Clark died in 1989 in Kirkaldy, Fife
Wonder if this man was a relative
John Gilchrist Clark died 2013 in Kirkaldy, Fife
Gwendoline Kenningham Baker nee Clark died in 2013 in Cowdenbeath, Fife
Annie Falconer nee Clark died in 1976 in Buckhaven,Fife
Helen Wilkinson McDonald nee Clark died 1976 in Cupar, Fife
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Hi, I am tracking the same tree, my Mother Ann Clark Carr is the daughter of Jessie. Jessie and Thomas had 4 children Ann Clark, Margaret, Isobel and Jack. We have lost contact with family in Scotland as my mother passed away in 1999.
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Wow, Lezlee - exciting! Just spotted what you have written.
What country are you in, we are in New Zealand
I have a email file of genealogy of this line I can share with you.
Do you have a photograph of Jessie?
Grandad returned to Kirkaldy during WW2 and married a local girl. I am unsure if he visited any of his fathers family
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I’m in Adelaide. I will look for photos. I found an already investigated tree going back to the 1770s. I’m very new to this.
Will send soon as I find some. I am unsure if I can buy credits for Scotland’s People, do you know.
Exciting and amazing the information we now have access to.
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Jessie Doughall Gray Clark's mother Annie Ireland (born 1875 at Leven) and her father David Clark (born 1872 at Kettlehill).
Lezlee, do you think you have a photo of Annie Ireland? Does it look like this or different again?
Annie Irelands tree does seem to go right back into the Birrell and Herd families of Fife into the 1700s
To get credits on Scotlandspeople you need a credit card, I have used it before and still have images saved there.
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Death registered under both surnames (same ref. no.);
CLARK JESSIE DOUGALL 77
IRELAND (mmn)
1982
421/ 185 Kirkcaldy
CARR JESSIE DOUGALL 77
IRELAND
1982
421/ 185 Kirkcaldy
Annie
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Whiteout;
"David Clark and Annie Ireland married at Kingskettle in 1893"
What were the addresses of both on the marriage & what were their occs?
Annie
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Hi Annie
David Clark was a coal miner living at Innerleven, Scoonie, Fife, and Annie Ireland was a mill worker living at Station Road, Leven, Scoonie.
David Clark is the illegitimate son of Helen Wilkinson and David Clark (Stonemason Journeyman).
Helen Wilkinson is the daughter of William Wilkinson and Lindsay Hay Dalziel Simpson.
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"David Clark was a coal miner living at Innerleven, Scoonie, Fife, and Annie Ireland was a mill worker living at Station Road, Leven, Scoonie"
I take it there were no house no.s on the marriage?
I'm wondering if David was illegitimate but come census night his age was changed to fit with being legitimate?
If so, the address of Annie or her parents may be useful to find the elusive birth for David?
Annie
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What was the date of the marriage 1893 for David & Annie
Annie
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Always a possibility, David Clark born 1894 in Wemyss (possibly) but I did think he might have been born in Scoonie/Leven?
David Clark's death certificate said Edinburgh (don't think it is likely but this is where he married his first wife Isabella Lister).
I have not looked at the sibilings births on Scotlandspeople either to see if they match the census.
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Found this:
CLARK HELEN WILKINS reg 1896, Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall on SP
Which makes me think this is my David Clark
CLARK DAVID reg 1894 Buckhaven <-------
Buckhaven would be closest to Leven/Scoonie?Very hard to pick from the death certificate and census stating Wemyss! I did think he was born in Dysart originally as I believe a family home was there.
Need to save my pennies now as it will cost $20 NZD to see that certificate.
I have seen his marriage certificate though.
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"One of these people was Annie Ireland Clark who seems to have been born c.1900 and got married to a James Falconer in 1928 in Lochgelly. This certificate also shows that her father was deceased at this point. The certificate also states that she was a widow and her previous married name was Laurie, however, I can't find a marriage for those names."
When Annie Ireland died she was registered with only 2 surnames, Clark & Falconer.
I didn't find a marriage (in Scotland) to a Laurie in any variant but the death would suggest it was then known she'd not been married prior or the informant didn't know this had been stated on her marriage to James Falconer?
I think it may suggest she had an illegitimate child i.e. claimed to have been married although I don't know, it's just a thought as I can't think of any other reason to say one was a widow if it wasn't the case?
CLARK ANNIE IRELAND 76
IRELAND (mms)
1976
424/ 247 Buckhaven
Corresponding reg. no. for surname Falconer
Annie
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CLARK DAVID reg 1894 Buckhaven
Whiteout,
I purchased the cert. & it's your ancestor! ;)
If you PM me your email I will forward it on.
Annie
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Thankyou so much Annie, I have pm'ed you.
Yes, shows you how confusing boundaries are when you don't live in an area, we would never had guessed from Dysart, Wemyss, Scoonie, Leven, and Ediburgh
That Laurie surname, looked unreadable on one document I saw at SP, my guess is you could be right and there is a Laurie offspring somewhere
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The tree I have seen has Annie Clark 1900 -1976 married twice first to
William Henry Lorimer ca 1899 married on May 4,1918 Dysart, Fife
Then to James Falconer ca 1896 married 29 June, 1928Lumphinnans, Fife
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I know Jessie’s address at the time of her death if that helps. I am new and unsure of the protocol for posting information.
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I think I saw Jessie Clarks address when she passed on Scotlandspeople, so I don't need to see that, I think.
"William Henry Lorimer ca 1899 married on May 4,1918 Dysart, Fife" I have seen this it is from Kathy's tree, I must see if it matches a death certificate on Scotlandspeople.
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I'm thinking William Henry Lorrimer (NB his mother was a Laurie) died in 1927 at Ecclesmachan which is on the opposite side of the Firth of Forth (for people like me who have no idea where) then Annie Ireland Clark married James Falconer in 1928.
Lumphinnans is in/near Lochgelly in Fife, this is where she married James Falconer.
This man "James Nisbet Clark Falconer" of Buckhaven may have been her/their son!
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It does appear J N C Falconer was a son of James & Annie;
Death
FALCONER JAMES NISBET CL 71 (b c1937)
CLARK (mms)
2008
424/ 116 Buckhaven
Annie & James married 1928 i.e. these may be relevant going by marriage date & there may be others who died elsewhere?
FALCONER JANE SHARP 72 (b c1929)
CLARK
2001
424/ 173 Buckhaven
FALCONER WILLIAM 57 (b c1933)
CLARK
1990
424/ 101 Buckhaven
Annie