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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: grizzly1 on Tuesday 14 April 15 18:54 BST (UK)
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Im looking into the McGuinness family from Coolagherty Co Longford for a friend.
I have a fair bit of info already but im stuck on where the marriage of John McGuinness and Margaret Duffy took place.
There is a very good possibility that John and Margaret may have married in the United State'S Circa 1902, I believe this because on the 1911 Irish census they are living with their 5 children at House 1 Coolagherty Co Longford.
Their oldest Child James T is 8 and his place of birth is New York.
Further info states the couple are married 9 years.
John and Margaret are both aged 40, he is a Farmer.
I have John's Birth Cert from 1871,his parents James Mc Guinness and Ellen Donohue (could be Donoghue) in the parish of Drumlish,Co Longford ..(the writing is difficult to read)
John died November 24th 1950.
John had a Brother called James,who died October 16 1982 ...unsure as if there were anymore children.
For the time been I would be grateful for any help tracing a marriage Cert for either John and Margaret Duffy.
I would also be interested in details of his Parents James and Ellen Donohue.
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Just checking, have you seen these children on "Familysearch" for parents James McGuinness and Ellen Donohoe (and differing spellings)?
- Rose, b. 1867 Drumlish Longford - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRH1-JVL
- John, b.1871 Drumlish Longford - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPYD-WXH
- Mary Ann, b.1873 Drumlish Longford - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5FN-6HC
- Julia, b.1875 Longford - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZT-4W5
- Thomas, b.1877 Longford - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN1-X9B
- James, b.1880 Drumlish Longford - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPT6-N86
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Thanks Gaffy,
I wasnt aware of the Girls, looking at the births I think it might be fair to assume that James and Ellen 'May' have been married circa 1865-67 ?.
The variation of spelling of the name from Mc Ginness to McGuinness throws a spanner in the works.
Im convinced that John married Margaret Duffy in the USA in 1902 and I think the wedding may have taken place in New York.
Any idea's on how to get my hands on Copy of the Marriage cert if New York was the area.?
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Also query on U.S.A. board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=718262.new#new
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Hello,
Just for reference in case you don't have it. I think this is likely to be the family in censuses- no John though
1901
Maguinness, Moyne (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Drumgort/Moyne/1552346/)
1911
McGuinness, Moyne (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Drumgort/Moyne/585958/)
Regards
Heywood
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Hello,
Just for reference in case you don't have it. I think this is likely to be the family in censuses- no John though
1901
Maguinness, Moyne (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Drumgort/Moyne/1552346/)
1911
McGuinness, Moyne (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Drumgort/Moyne/585958/)
Regards
Heywood
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I looks like was James Married twice, as we have Julia Aged 59 as wife 1901 census born Co Longford, then 1911 census Ellen 72 Born Leitrim as wife.
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I would say no, although it is odd.
I think sometimes you do get these mix ups. According to 1911, they have been married 50 yrs and have had 8 children- all still living.
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I would say no, although it is odd.
I think sometimes you do get these mix ups. According to 1911, they have been married 50 yrs and have had 8 children- all still living.
Its a bit 50/50 ..I think the Leitrim place of Birth for Ellen is significant though?
If James filled out form its possible he stated what he believed to be the case that including both marriages he was indeed married 50 years.?
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Just got some info for you on other thread.
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I would say no, although it is odd.
I think sometimes you do get these mix ups. According to 1911, they have been married 50 yrs and have had 8 children- all still living.
Its a bit 50/50 ..I think the Leitrim place of Birth for Ellen is significant though?
If James filled out form its possible he stated what he believed to be the case that including both marriages he was indeed married 50 years.?
The two counties border each other though. I am just going off census info for John and Margaret. If you look at 1901 for Coolagherty, there is a creamery where landholder is James McGuinness of Moyne.
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Just to update,
I have found and Purchased John McGuinness's death cert from November 1950, I also purchased Margaret's from March 1960.
I have a date of March 1926 for James McGuinness but could not find him in the register for that year.
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Is that Ellen's death in March quarter 1922 - Longford vol 3 pg 109 ?
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Is that Ellen's death in March quarter 1922 - Longford vol 3 pg 109 ?
Quite possibly is Heywood, hope to be in the GRO tomorrow so I will purchase the cert.
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It might give a clue re James's perhaps. If you are sure he died in 1926, perhaps he moved to another area - to one of his children maybe.
Good luck!
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It might give a clue re James's perhaps. If you are sure he died in 1926, perhaps he moved to another area - to one of his children maybe.
Good luck!
Its possible, I found his name on a Headstone in Granard stating 1926 as date of death,it was along with his Son John 1950 and Daughter in law Margaret 1960,who were interred there,the headstone is a large Celtic cross and looks like it may have dated from the 1920s.
When I searched In the GRO for a cert relating to James I could find only 1 James with an age near enough, but that James was registered in Monaghan...(im waiting to contact my friend who is away at moment to see if there is a possibilty of family link to the area).
Id be very surprised if he wasnt registered,
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It now transpires that the James McGuinness death from 1926 was James Jnr who tragically drowned on the River Liffey,while living and working in Dublin.
I purchased Ellen's death cert (James Mother)who died February 1922 in Moyne, it states that she was a widow.
At least I have a ballpark year between 1911 and 1922 to search for her Husband James snr death.
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I can only see a 32 yr old in Granard, 1913 and a 68yr old in Longford in 1919. :-\
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I can only see a 32 yr old in Granard, 1913 and a 68yr old in Longford in 1919. :-\
The 1919 Death would be of obvious interest, I will get his death cert.
Thank You.
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Ive got in my cousin tree margaret mcguiness (1877 1945) married Patrick doherty . Her parents are john mcguiness and bridget donohoe. Sound familiar??