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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Orkney => Topic started by: Yarratt on Monday 04 May 15 01:51 BST (UK)
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Mary Ann Guthrie married William Spence (b 31 May 1789 Holm & Paplay, Orkney - d 11 Jun 1825)
I have no details on her at all.
Was she possibly related to Jean/Jane Guthrie (b abt 1805 Shapinsay who married William's brother James Maxwell Spence (b 1803 Orkney Islands)? My information on Jean/Jane doesn't show a Mary Ann Guthrie, so I have no information on her at all.
Anything that anyone knows/finds would be greatfully appreciated.
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Do you have the names of Mary Ann Guthrie and William Spence's children? They might give some clues for her parents' names.
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These are her children with William Spence
Mary Spence
1816 –
William Spence
1818 –
Christopher Spence
1820 –
E Spence
1821 –
Archibald Spence
1823 –
John Spence
1825 –
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I have both Guthrie/Spence in my line and I did come across a tree having James Maxwell Spence m Margaret Guthrie b 1805 daughter of David Guthrie and Margaret Williamson. I cannot attest to its accuracy but note the author has her death in Australia in 1897 and perhaps this is where her parents were listed. I also checked some the family trees with the Orkney Family History Society which basically confirm the above but no mention of this Guthrie's siblings.
I have the following children in your line, but no Christopher. The only Christopher I have b 1820 belonged to William Spence/Katherine Harvey so I would like to know where you found yours.
13/09/1816 SPENCE MARY WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
18/12/1818 SPENCE WILLIAM WM. SPENCE/MARGT. GUTHRIE
10/11/1821 SPENCE EUPHEMIA WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
12/03/1823 SPENCE ARCHD WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
11/06/1825 SPENCE JO WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
Not sure if you have Mary Ann's 1815 marriage bann, but the witnesses were Helen Spence and Mary Guthrie. This Mary could be her mother or possibly a cousin which might offer you more clues.
And, finally the only 3 Mary's on record as being born between 1760-1800.
16/01/1790 GUTHERIE MARY WILLIAM GUTHERIE/ISABEL MOWAT KIRKWALL /ORKNEY 021/00 0030 0070
11/11/1794 GUTHERIE MARY DAVID GUTHERIE/JEAN MICHAL SHAPINSAY/ORKNEY 028/00 0010 0165
20/11/1773 GUTHRIE MARY EDWARD GUTHRIE/ELISA. FOTHERINGHAM SANDAY (LADY CROSS AND BURNESS)/ORKNEY 026/00 0020 0052
HTH
Don
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Thanks Don, I'll look into it when I get a chance.
Karen
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I got Christopher's connection from the 1871 Scotland Census where he was listed as a brother with Mary and William Spence. Have I got the wrong people? :-\
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Mary Ann Guthrie married William Spence (b 31 May 1789 Holm & Paplay, Orkney - d 11 Jun 1825)
I have no details on her at all.
Was she possibly related to Jean/Jane Guthrie (b abt 1805 Shapinsay who married William's brother James Maxwell Spence (b 1803 Orkney Islands)? My information on Jean/Jane doesn't show a Mary Ann Guthrie, so I have no information on her at all.
Anything that anyone knows/finds would be greatfully appreciated.
Hi Yarratt
i was looking on Google doing some dabbling to find some earlier history of my family tree that starts at William Spence b.31 may 1789 Holm & Paplay Orkney Scotland and says he died 22 Apr 1862 in Grebreck Holm Orkney and was married to Mary Ann Guthrie 14 Dec 1815 kirkwall & ST Ola Orkney Scotland and says she was born circa 1794 shapinsay Orkney and says died circa 1840 Orkney Scotland if this can help oh and it has the children also but no Christoper
SPENCE MARY
SPENCE WILLIAM
SPENCE EUPHEMIA
SPENCE ARCHIBALD
SPENCE JOHN
and a CHARLES SPENCE
TSPENCE
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Hi TSPENCE
Thanks for the info.
William Spence b. 31/5/1789 was my 3rd great grandfather. So if he's your ancestor too, then we are related.
I have added Mary Ann's birth and death info. This helps a lot, thanks.
I don't have any record of a Charles. Do you have a date of birth?
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Don,
Euphemia also married a Christopher Spence, so maybe the Census meant him when listing as a brother.
Either that or I totally have the wrong people and the Census doesn't belong to them at all.
Thanks for your input, it was helpful.
I'm going to look into which of the 3 Marys might be mine. I'm leaning towards the middle one.
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Hello
I am a direct ascendant from Australia of James Maxwell Spence 1804-1877 m 19.3.1829 in Kirkwall and St Ola, Orkney Scotland Jane (jean) Guthrie b 1806 -1897 both buried in Creswick Victoria. They travelled on the "Clifton" from Plymouth 10th Oct 1851 with their children to Australia.
CHILDREN:
Their Daughter Jane Spence m Charles Slade my direct relatives. MY Great x3 Grandparents
John Spence
William Guthrie Spence
James Maxwell Spence
Ann Spence
David Spence and wife Isabella Spence (nee Fraser)
They arrived 16 weeks later in Geelong, Victoria Australia 30th Jan 1852.
William Spence m Maryann Guthrie who was indeed the brother of James Maxwell Spence Guthrie. THEIR CHILDREN :
Mary Spence 1816-
Euphan Spence1821-
Archibald Spence 1823-
John Spence m Charlotte emigrated to Aus 1854 on board "John and Lucy" with a infant.
I have a lot of research of The Guthrie side and their is no evidence of Maryann Guthrie being related to Jane (Jean GinnY) Guthrie.
Please keep in touch as I would like to know if you have any further information on the Spence side as I have only been able to go back to John Spence 1730 m Marjory Allen?
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I have both Guthrie/Spence in my line and I did come across a tree having James Maxwell Spence m Margaret Guthrie b 1805 daughter of David Guthrie and Margaret Williamson. I cannot attest to its accuracy but note the author has her death in Australia in 1897
i was looking on Google doing some dabbling to find some earlier history of my family tree that starts at William Spence b.31 may 1789 Holm & Paplay Orkney Scotland and says he died 22 Apr 1862 in Grebreck Holm Orkney and was married to Mary Ann Guthrie 14 Dec 1815 kirkwall & ST Ola Orkney Scotland and says she was born circa 1794 shapinsay Orkney and says died circa 1840
I am a direct ascendant from Australia of James Maxwell Spence 1804-1877 m 19.3.1829 in Kirkwall and St Ola, Orkney Scotland Jane (jean) Guthrie b 1806 -1897
I think that is sufficient to demonstrate that the tree Don 'came across' was wrong! Which is not to say that the tree on Google is correct either, of course.