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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Channel Islands Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Nettle62 on Monday 11 May 15 06:26 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me please?
My mother's family name was Le Bideau. Her mother was Eugenie Marie and she was born in Jersey. They moved to Alderney for a while. She married Charles Thomas and they lived in Jersey.
Previous to her marriage she had a daughter (1923) I believe registered as Eugenie M Le Bideau, she was adopted and took the new family's name, but I don't know what that is. She was known to me as Aunty Freda. She married Harold De Bertrand in 1948. If someone can look up her marriage record and see what name she was using before her marriage it would be very helpful please.
My grandmother also had a son before her marriage. Her marriage was around 1926 I think. Her sons name was Francois but he was known as Frank. He died during the war from TB.
Either birth record of Frank or Eugenie would be interesting to see if a father is mentioned.
My Aunty Freda is still alive but unwilling to discuss the family who gave her up (although my mum had always kept in contact with her, so she wasn't totally cut off) all other relatives are sadly dead.
Thanks in anticipation.
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Frank Bideau's WW1 record would give his exact year of birth, he would be your best bet to find the father.
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Update....
I had a lot of my information wrong. My uncles name was not Frank. He was known as George, but his birth record was Anthony George Bideau. I found his attestation papers with Jersey Militia, which gave me his birth date. I have ordered a copy of his birth certificate to see if a father is mentioned.
Sadly my Aunt Freda died earlier this year, so I won't be able to share this information with her.
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Update....
I had a lot of my information wrong. My uncles name was not Frank. He was known as George, but his birth record was Anthony George Bideau. I found his attestation papers with Jersey Militia, which gave me his birth date. I have ordered a copy of his birth certificate to see if a father is mentioned.
Sadly my Aunt Freda died earlier this year, so I won't be able to share this information with her.
hi is that annette ???? i have now found a photo of him
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Yes this is Annette. Where did you find the picture? Can you email me a copy please?
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Hi
I've only just seen you request for help and have to admit found it a little confusing.
However, at the Jersey Archive there is a Registration card of Eugenie Marie Thomas, née Bideau, of 1, Woodburne, Patier Road, St Saviour, born 24/01/1896, and Marion M Thomas, registered as child on back of card.
At the same address is a Registration card of Marie Edith Frances Thomas, of 1, Woodburne, Patier Road, St Saviour, born 23/03/1927
Also a Registration Card of Harold Leonard Bertrand, of 7, Rue Verte, St Lawrence, born 03/01/1921
All of these cards contain photos and details and may be of interest.
Stewart
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Thank you for your reply, my main inquiry was about my mums brother, Anthony George Bideau. I joined Jersey Heritage Archives and have seen the Registration cards. Eugenie is my grandmother, Marion is my mother :) Marie is my aunt. I also found the attestation papers for Anthony George, which gave me a date and place for his birth and from that I was able to get a copy of his birth certificate.
I was trying to find out if a father was listed, he and his sister Freda were born before their mother married, and their father(s) remain a mystery.
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Hi
I can go and look at certificates next week, but can I just confirm that you would like the details of:
marriage of Harold de Bertrand c 1948
birth of Anthony George Bideau c 1926
birth of Eugenie M ??? c 1923
Stewart
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That would be very kind, thank you.
In order of most interest to me :)
Death of Anthony George Bideau - all I know is he died at the end of the WWII of TB
Birth of Freda Maud Bideau 28th August 1924 not sure if born in Guernsey or Alderney, she may have been registered as Eugenie Maud le Biedeau. She was adopted at the age of 2 by Freda and Amelia Whitehead - are there adoption records?
Marriage of Harold de Bertrand and Freda - that would be in Guernsey, so I don't know if that would be in Jersey archives?
Thanks again
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Hi
You are right in saying that I can't see Guernsey BMD's so I've just been looking for a death of Harold.
Unfortunately, despite search up until at least 1960, I can't see anything.
However, not all bad news. If you haven'e got the death details of Eugenie Marie Louise Bideau I can confirm she died 8th May 1950 at the General Hospital (cancer of the cervix) aged 54 years 4 months. She was the husband of Charles Henry Thomas.
Stewart
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Thank you very much Stewart, Harold died in Guernsey only a couple of years ago.
My main mystery is my mums older brother (illegitimate) born in London 1921 (I have his birth certificate) while his mother worked as a cook, she later (1925) had Freda who was given up for adoption at the age of 2, to an Alderney couple. Eugenie kept George, he was in the Jersey Militia (I have his papers) they were evacuated from Jersey just before the occupation, they spent the war on the Isle of Wight, with the Hampshire regiment. I know he died of TB just after the war, but I have not found a record of his death in any searches on Ancestry, so I am assuming he went home after the war.
Thank you for the information on Eugenie.
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I finally found the death record of Anthony George Bideau.
Jersey Archives found a death notice in the local newspaper. He died in Glasgow, of TB. He was in Ruchill Fever Hospital, Glasgow. I would never have guessed he was up there!! I'm assuming he was there because a relative lived in the area, and was the one who registered his death.
Since the 1921 census came out, I was hoping to see where his mother Eugenie Marie Le Bideau was living at that time, but alas, I can't find her. I was able to look up the address on Anthony Georges birth certificate, thinking it was going to be a clue, I thought she was working in service at the time. But the address turned out to be a YWCA mother and baby home.
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Hi
If you look at the 1921 census and search on just Bideau you will find a Mary Le Bideau born in Guernsey in 1895 but living in St Saviour, Jersey. I haven't looked at the detail of the record.
Also, remember the 1921 Census for Scotland isn't out until later this year.
Stewart
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Thank you Stewart, yes I have searched with just Bideau and I saw that record. It is not my grandmother though. :(
There are so few Bideau's on the census I feel there must be miss-transcriptions because I know there were several Bideau's in Guernsey, and elsewhere.