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Please can anyone help me with a mystery - a family bible was passed down to me by my grandfather Reginald Stray who died in 1999 - he told me it had been in his family for many generations. in the front cover are the names of peter and Harriot Allen and their children
William 1/11/1792
Harriot 26/9/1794 - 16/3/1800
Peter 14/11/1796
Ann 21/10/1798 - 30/10/1798
Charles 4/5/1800
Henry 20/7/1802
Mary Ann 19/3/1805
Frederick 15/6/1807
and at the back the names of George and Jane barton and their children
George Robert 23/9/1822
Jane 9/11/1824
Mary Ann 13/12/1826
Charles 22/4/1828
Elizabeth Agnew 2/6/1830
Fanny Rebecca 6/8/1832
and a newspaper cutting relating to the death of George the 4th in 1830
the mystery is how this is connected to my family as I can find no Bartons or Allens despite researching back all lines on my grandfather's side - I have so far found - CROXSON, STRAY, NEWMAN, COLE, NEWMAN, BRIDGER, TAYLOR, HARPER, WARD, HEWITT, AUSTIN, ALBERY and SUTTON but cannot see how this links
I did find on an old american forum a question about the marriage of a Thomas Croxson to a Mary Ann barton but have been unable to find evidence of this
I have traced some of the Bartons through 1871 and 1881 censuses and some marriages for the men but still no link
any help or suggestions gratefully received
Nikki
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Hi Nikki
What area are we talking about for Thomas CROXSON?
Do you have early censuses for the families? If the Mary Ann BARTON that married (or didn't!?) Thomas CROXSON is the one mentioned in the Bible, it strikes me that this would have taken place aroung 1850-60, so they would be married on the 1861 census.
There isn't a match on freebmd, but 1837online may be able to help you.
Mary Ann is not an uncommon first name, but I did find a Thomas CROCKSON in Shopshire 1861, married to a Mary Ann. Thomas's sister Eliza and their daughter also MA is in the same household. MA's age is 2 years out. Thomas was born Wolverhampton. Probably a complete red herring!!
Just in case, the ref is RG9/1849 27 14
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Nikki,
Are the Allens the ones from Chichester, Sussex?
I found in the IGI records for the christenings of William and Harriet there.
There is also a user-submitted entry (so we don't know the accuracy) of a marriage of a :
Peter Allen b. 1767 Chichester to a Harriet Grover in 1790 in Lewes Sussex
Do you know what the connection is between the Allens and the Bartons? It doesn't seem immediately obvious from the names that you listed. Not that it will help with finding the connection to your Croxson's necessarily, but you never know.
Best regards,
Emily
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In case it becomes relevant at some point theres also an extracted entry for the birth of Harriet Grover in the IGI:
bn 23 Dec 1867
ch. 21 Jan 1768 St Thomas-In-The-Cliffs, Lewes, Sussex, England
parents Samuel Grover and Faith
Emily :)
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croxsons seem to be from bermondsey as far as i can see so far
no idea what connection there is between allens and bartons
likely to be hampshire area or sussex so the peter allen harriot grover marriage is likely to be them
thanks for help will look more closely at these when next generation napping!!
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have sussex marriage index on cd so been able to confirm that marriage is accurate Peter Allen and Harriet Grover
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I'm afraid I can't find any links yet but have some possible marriages of Bartons (who seem to be from Portsmouth according to IGI extracted records:
A Fanny Rebecca Barton married Willian Charles Johnson 1852 in Alverstone (IGI) + Alverstoke 2b 689 sep 1852 (freeBMD)
Elizabeth Agnew Barton married Hiram Edwin Mildred 1859 St. Thomas Portsmouth, (Portsea I. 2b 650 sep 1859)
(They are at rg9 643 in 1861 and RG 11/1145 f46 in 1881. In 1881 there is a 9 year old Augusta Hogsflesh visiting)
There is also in the IGI a marriage of a George Barton to a Jane Colenutt in 1821 Portsea which could be the George and Jane from the bible?
Don't know if any of these additional names might help you find a link....
Emily
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found a marriage for William Allen and Harriet Cole in Chicester in 1815 which could be 'my' william born 1792 cole is the maiden name of my 3 great grandmother but she married George Stray so still cant see where this bible comes to be in my family!! or how allen and barton connect ???
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Hi Nikki
GenesReunited has the following entries for William Allen b1792
William 1792 Drew
William 1792 Rolleston-on-Dove United Kingdom Nicholas
William 1792 Wellingborough, Northants Lionel
William 1792 Willingham by St Ives, Cambridge, England Phyllis
William 1792 Woodham Ferrers, Essex Kevin
William 1792 Woodham Ferrers, Essex Steve
Charles 1800 Barry
Charles 1800 Chichester United Kingdom Robert
Charles 1800 Felpham Edward
Charles 1800 Hucknall, Nottinghamshire United Kingdom Susan
Charles 1800 London? Steve (Stephanie)
Charles Bowen 1800 Rickeston Hall,,Pembrokeshire, Charles
Charles 1800 Staffs United Kingdom Diane
Wonder if any of these are your William and Charles?
cheers
Paul
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found a marriage for William Allen and Harriet Cole in Chicester in 1815 which could be 'my' william born 1792 cole is the maiden name of my 3 great grandmother but she married George Stray so still cant see where this bible comes to be in my family!! or how allen and barton connect ???
Wonder if Harriet perhaps married twice?
Paul
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Hi Nikki
Although you posted this some time ago; I wanted to let you know I am a descendant of Peter and Harriet ALLEN via their daughter Mary Ann (1805-1845) and her marriage to Richard GARRETT.
I can find no reference to the surnames you've mentioned in my Family Tree research, so have no idea what the connection would be.
Pity I live in Australia as I would love to see the Family Bible you mentioned.
Donna
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Hello Donna and welcome to rootschat.
Nikki hasn't been online since 2012, but hopefully she still has the same the same email address and will receive notification of your post. I'm sure she will be interested!
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Thank you for the welcome....
I too hope Nikki gets a notification.