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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: J Bux on Wednesday 20 May 15 13:44 BST (UK)
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Could you help me with this puzzle?
Reuben Twigg married Mary Buxton and at the wedding, his father's name is recorded as George Lilley, I think this is a misprint for Linney (Free-Reg). Reuben was 28 years old when he got married on 29 Mar 1902. (so birth 1874). He was born in Brampton according to 1911 census.
No evidence has been found to support Reuben being illegitimate. No birth registration has been found for a Reuben Twigg which is within 10 years of 1874. In the third quarter of 1868 and in the final quarter of 1872; two births were registered in the name of Reuben Linney, both in Chesterfield.
George Linney married Sarah Ann Parramore or Sarah Coates in the 3rd qtr of 1869 in Chesterfield. George Linney married Sarah Ann Twigg and Joseph Lovelee married Charlotte Linney, in the 4th quarter of 1876 in Sheffield, Yorkshire; these two marriages are on the same page.
In the 1881 census Reuben Linney is the youngest child of George and Sarah Linney along with 3 Twiggs who say they are in-laws but could be step children.
In the 1891 census Reuben Linney (19) is single and living with his mother Sarah Linney (38) a widow; along with his mother's other son Arthur Twigg and Arthur's family.
Three marriages have been found for Reuben Twigg, the first in 1889 when Ruben Twigg marries Charlotte Moore in 1889 in Newbold, giving his father's name as George Linney. No death record has been found for Charlotte Twigg. Next, he marries Mary Buxton in 1897 in St Thomas' Church, but father's names are not recorded (England Marriages, 1538–1973). This is just after the birth of the first of her 3 illegitimate children. Mary Buxton has two more illegitimate children then in 1902 Reuben marries Mary again at St Thomas' Church and takes in the two surviving children she has.
Questions
If his father was George Linney, could Reuben legally just change his name to Twigg?
Why is there no death registration for his first wife, Charlotte?
Why was the first marriage to Mary Buxton recorded, but seemed to be annulled?
Thanks John Buxton
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You can call yourself whatever you like, as long as there is no intention to defraud.
It seems strange why Reuben chose to use the name Twigg rather than Linney. But as his Mum didn't seem to marry Linney till he was about 4, and as he had older Twigg siblings, then maybe he had just got used to being known as Reuben Twigg and continued with that.
As for the death of Charlotte, there could be all manner of reasons. First and most likely is that it has been misindexed, making it hard to find (maybe Trigg, or something). Secondly and less likely maybe she died abroad or in Scotland, and of course there is always the possibility she didn't die and subsequent marriages were bigamous!
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Hi,
Re 1881 Census for the Linney Family:-
George Linney 68 Head
Sarah Linney 49 Wife
Tom Linney 22 Son - assume this is the son of George Linney and 1st Wife
then we have the children of Sarah
Ben Twigg 27
Tom Twigg 20
Elizabeth Twigg 22 Listed as son or dau IN LAW meaning step children. Not as we
understand "In Law" today.
Charlotte Linney 15 Listed as Daughter?
Arthur Linney 13 Son
Reuben Linney 8 Son So the children of George/Sarah Linney
Reuben Linney birth registered Dec Q 1972 Chesterfield 7b 589. Brampton is within the
Chesterfield Registration District. (this registration to comply with age on census)
Charlotte Twigg birth registered Sept Q 1866 Chesterfield 7b 490
Possible registration
Arthur Insley birth registered March Q 1867 Chesterfield 7b 515
Have you purchased birth registration certificate for Reuben?
My G. grandparents had 11 children, prior to them being married all registered in Surname
of Father. Then whilst pregnant with their 12th child, a new vicar arrived, and obviously asked
some questions they were told he would not christen the 12th child they traveled some miles away for the marriage, 12th child born week later.
Spendlove
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There are a couple of mentions for Reuben in the papers for minor misdemeanors.
17th Sep 1898
" Reuben Twigg alias Linney" and one of his partners in crime a Joseph Moore who is possibly living with the family in 1901.
Cathy
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It may be worth purchasing the Charlotte Moore marriage cert 1889 - as it seems Arthur Twigg (Reuben's brother)was married to a Charlotte -maybe the names have been mistranscribed??
Suz
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Thanks Suz - Arthur Twigg & Charlotte are living as husband & wife in the 1901 census. The 1871 census has Charlotte More (3) born in Heeley, Yorks with father John More, mother and siblings including Joshua. This ties up with the 1901 census and Joshua is boarding with them. So now the puzzle is how did Reuben's name get mixed up with Arthur's? The age of the eldest child points to the 1889 marriage where her father is recorded as John Moore.
Thanks Cath - that seems to prove he used both names.
Thanks Spendlove - I hadn't realized daughter in law could mean step daughter, I assume it also had the modern day meaning but there are some relationships I now need to re-check. Great anecdote.
Thanks again
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Does anyone have any theories as to why the 1897 marriage of Reuben Twigg to Mary Buxton was recorded, but seemed to be annulled? In the 1901 census both are single.
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Was that suggested marriage in 1896, an actual marriage or just banns, as does not show elsewhere?
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Thanks, I remember finding two marriages before and one turning out to be the banns being read in the groom's parish. This must be the case here.
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Hi,
I don t think the marriage took place as there is no sign of registration, on freemd etc or on the actual images for that quarter, there are two entries in England marriages etc both Nov 1st 1896 one of which states Banns. I think the banns were read but for whatever reason they did nt get carry on and get married.
Cathy
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Hi, this is in response to John Buxton to see if we can contact.
Sorry I am new to this site and not sure if this is the right place to post this. I was searching information about Reuben Twigg - married to Mary Buxton and came across this chat. Reuben and Mary are my husbands great grandparents. After the recent passing of my father in law this information was just sent to us. We have a photo of Mary Buxton and would like to share this with John Buxton if he is related to Mary.
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Hello K,
Sorry it has taken me so long to answer your post but I have been busy moving house. Mary would be my 1st Cousin 3 times removed and as photos of my family are very rare I would be very grateful for a photo of Mary and Reuben. I hope you found some information on this thread useful. I will see if I can send my email adress to you by personal message
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Hello K.
I have been trying to send you private message but I have only just found out that the standard message that "inbox is full" means that you have posted less than three times so don't get the inbox facility. The advice is to put messages on here. I would really like the photos, post something on here if you are still reading this thread.
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Hi John,
Wow I think your photo looks like the one we have of Mary, I can see the Buxton genetics.
I am not sure how to add the photo on here or if it is safe to add our email.
Thankyou Karen Twigg
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Hello Karen,
Thanks I have been told before That the Buxtons bear strong resemblances, but it is difficult to tell when comparing to onesself.
I know you are not supposed to put email addresses on the these pages but I have done it before without any noticeable increase in spam etc. I would be most grateful if you could email the photo to Thanks again
John
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John your email has been removed again, please do not post it publically as it is never safe practice to publish email addresses online.
New members can access the PM function only when they have made a couple of post with K twigg now has.
Sarah