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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Patricia Byrne on Thursday 04 June 15 20:42 BST (UK)
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Hi, Trying to find info about my grandfather, John Rocks born in Cladymore Armagh 1887 died falling off his cart in 1949, I think owned quarry's at some stage and a farm on a place called The Rock Armagh, married a Mary Carr, the farmhouse I've been told is still standing unoccupied, can anybody please help with any of this, Thanks
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Welcome to RootsChat! ;D
A Rock family, including 13 year old John, in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Clady/Cladymore/1016691/
And 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Clady/Clady_More/328305/
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Thanks for reply will try that,
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It seems to be a fairly common surname in the area. Quite a few Wills here (put in Rocks as surname then select Armagh for the Registry and have a look at those from Cladymore & Cladybeg.
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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Hi,
On 2 Jul 1885 Patrick Rocks married Catherine Rocks in Keady Roman Catholic Church, Armagh.
Regards
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I have a lot of information on the Rock/s family Co. Armagh. My wifes great-grandfather was Patrick Rock, son of Simon Rock and I think they came from Tynan or Derrynoose area. I'd like to get in touch
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Hi I have a name Ballyhordian from 1949, in clady armagh, cant find as an area would it be a farm name an how can I find the address, is that possible, regards
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Hi Tony I think I sent you a message regards getting intouch dont know if done right, if not got it in well yes you can
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Hi Tony I think I sent you a message regards getting intouch dont know if done right, if not got it in well yes you can
Patricia,
Yes, I got your message yesterday and replied by email this morning.
Anyway, my wifes great-grandfather was Patrick Rock b. 1845. There were ten births in the family to Simon Rock and Anne Burke. Although there was a John, this is a generation before your John and I wouldn't rule anything out until we establish some facts.
Our Patrick moved to Omagh and was employed on the railway as a night signal man. When he retired from the railway he had a boarding house at 78, Market Street Omagh. He had a son Patrick and daughter Mary Jane. Mary jane is my wifes grandmother and Patrick was a well respected Consultant Surgeon in Derry. He died at 45yrs old. He also was a professor of Science and Maths briefly at Sligo Technical School.
I'd like to establish links between these Rocks and if you wish to email me if would make it easier to pass on family data.
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Hi I have a name Ballyhordian from 1949, in clady armagh, cant find as an area would it be a farm name an how can I find the address, is that possible, regards
Could it be Ballyheridan in Lisnadill civil parish (Armagh Poor Law Union/registration district)?
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Hi Patricia,
You are correct, there were a lot of Rocks' in the Clady area and many families of the name around Armagh and Newry seem to originate from there.
However, if there is a connection to a 'Ballyhordian' (probably Ballyheridan townland, as suggested by Aghadowey), then the 1911 and 1901 census are worth a look. In 1911 a 30-year-old John lives in Ballyheridan with his widowed mother Mary and brother Patrick Joseph (22).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Ballyaros/Ballyheridan/325163/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Ballyaros/Ballyheridan/325163/)
But in 1901 they seem to have been recorded in nearby Milford village, with a sister Mary Ellen and a cousin.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Ballyards/Milford/1011488/ (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Ballyards/Milford/1011488/)
You talk about a Clady origin, so they could have originally come from Clady and moved to Milford for work as weavers and then moved into quarrying at the Rock Road area on the outskirts of Armagh city.
It would be more difficult to ascertain exactly which of the Clady Rocks families they came from but the recent uploading of baptismal records online might help. They are available here: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0189 (http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0189)
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I was able to find the Rock family that I believe are my wifes ancestors. I have little or no evidence to confirm other than approximate dates and names. My wifes great great grandfather was Simon Rock and his son Patrick Rock. Within the Armagh parish records there is only one Simon Rock, with a son Patrick. The interesting thing is than on their birth records some of the family members are listed as Rock, other are Rocks. This is the same with their parents. However, Patrick Rock and his son Patrick are both buried here in Omagh and there is no S.
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I have limited information regarding John Rocks who died in 1935 and had four daughters, Bridget, Elizabeth (Lily), Kathleen and Anna (Nan). He was my great uncle. Is this the same family?
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I have limited information regarding John Rocks who died in 1935 and had four daughters, Bridget, Elizabeth (Lily), Kathleen and Anna (Nan). He was my great uncle. Is this the same family?
Thanks for your message. The only John Rocks that appears on my tree is John born 1837 do I don't imagine he lived that long. However, I wouldn't rule out some connection. I have little to go on about the Rocks family other than Patrick, my wife great-grandfather born 1845 stated Co. Armagh in his place of birth in the census. His father was Simon. In different documents such as births/marriages etc they are noted as Rocks and on their headstone it is Rock. I don't really understand why?
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Hi, Trying to find info about my grandfather, John Rocks born in Cladymore Armagh 1887 died falling off his cart in 1949, I think owned quarry's at some stage and a farm on a place called The Rock Armagh, married a Mary Carr, the farmhouse I've been told is still standing unoccupied, can anybody please help with any of this, Thanks
May be of interest Marriage John Rocks Mary Carr
28-Aug-1912
Parish / District: DERRYNOOSE RC County: ARMAGH
Husband Wife
Name: John Rocks Mary Carr
Address: Ballyheridan Granemore
Denomination: Civil Parish / District Civil Parish / District
Occupation: LABOURER
Age: Fa Fa
Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: James Rocks Michael Carr
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation: LABOURER FARMER
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Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Patrick Toner Susan Toner
Address:
Notes:
MARRIED IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH OF BALLYMACNAB ACCORDING TO THE
RITES AND CEREMONIES OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH BY ME P C CORR/
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In different documents such as births/marriages etc they are noted as Rocks and on their headstone it is Rock. I don't really understand why?
It is only in fairly recent times that spelling of both words and names has become consistant. It's not uncommon to see more than one version of a name in the same document and just depended who was doing the writing.
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John Rocks' address at the time of his 1912 marriage to Mary Carr was Ballyheridan, his father was given as James, a labourer. The 1911 census return for house 12 in Ballyheridan previously posted at reply #10 looks reasonable (and consequently the 1901 return for house 20 in Milford), on that basis his mother was Mary and he had siblings Mary Ellen and Patrick Joseph. Using all this information points to his parents being James Rocks and Mary Kernan / Kernaghan, who got married in the RC Chapel of Armagh on 9 December 1874, the address for both was Ballynahone and both of their fathers were labourers called John. Children included Mary Ellen (b. 23 Apr 1878), John (b. 3 Aug 1880), Christopher (b.25 Dec 1887), and Patrick Joseph (b. 28 Feb 1889).
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The Rock family we are associated with may have been born between Derrynoose and Lisnadill. Simon Rock married Anne Burke and their son Patrick b. 1845 left Co. Armagh and settled here in Omagh. He was noted in census records as a railway night watchman. In later years he had property in Omagh including a lodging house at Market Street, Omagh. There was never any known contact with Armagh, as nobody kept in touch.
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Hi Tony
Just came across your post from Jun 2015 regarding the Rock/Rocks family and was wondering if you have come across a Peter and Elizabeth born Armagh
A branch of my family tree Margaret Kilpatrick b1868 Belfast married Felix Rock/Rocks 26oct1891 Johnstone Scotland,Felix was born 1867 Durham Eng.his parents were Peter and Elizabeth Rock/Rocks m/s Tonner info from marriage cert on S.P,they are listed on the 1871 Uk Census and the 1891 Scottish Census as born in Armagh
Elizabeth died 13may1894 Scotland ,parents Frank and Mary Ann m/s McRea info from death cert S.P
Peter died 28may1900 Scotland father John Rock no info on mother
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You talk about a Clady origin, so they could have originally come from Clady and moved to Milford for work as weavers and then moved into quarrying at the Rock Road area on the outskirts of Armagh city.
It would be more difficult to ascertain exactly which of the Clady Rocks families they came from but the recent uploading of baptismal records online might help. They are available here: http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0189 (http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0189)
My grandad on my mother's side was Rocks who was born at his family home on Rock Road, Armagh. The house is still standing and my family live near it. They had a quarry next to the house which they ran. His father was John, I think John's wife was called Evelyn (sp). This is my first step in trying to trace my family and I have came across this. My grandad was called Benny (Benjamin) and was born in 1914.
I think that John's family came from Clady / Granemore area as my grandmother was from Granemore and both sets of families were friends I believe.
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Paddy
The only John Rock on my tree was born in 1837 in Co. Armagh,
his father was Simon born 1796
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My grandad on my mother's side was Rocks who was born at his family home on Rock Road, Armagh. The house is still standing and my family live near it. They had a quarry next to the house which they ran. His father was John, I think John's wife was called Evelyn (sp). This is my first step in trying to trace my family and I have came across this. My grandad was called Benny (Benjamin) and was born in 1914.
I think that John's family came from Clady / Granemore area as my grandmother was from Granemore and both sets of families were friends I believe.
Welcome to RootsChat. The only candidate for Bernard's birth that I can readily see is this one, registered in Keady, he was named Bernard Aloysius and was born on 1 October 1914 in the townland of Granemore to parents John Rox (farmer) and Minnie Corr:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574415.pdf
However it looks like 'Corr' might have been 'Carr', for a Mary Carr of Granemore married John Rocks of Ballyheridan in Ballymacnab RC Church in 1912, her father was Michael Carr, a farmer, his was James Rocks, a labourer:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09926/5608522.pdf
On the face of it, that information would read across to these possibilities in the 1911 Ireland census, just to note for now:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Ballyaros/Ballyheridan/325163/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armaghbrague/Granemore/321522/
Prior to Bernard, John Rocks and Mary a.k.a. Minnie Corr/Carr had a son Michael and a daughter Elizabeth Claire:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01475/1600722.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01433/1587514.pdf
After Bernard came a daughter Mary Josephine (1916) and 2 sons (1918 & 1921), all born at Ballyheridan.
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... However it looks like 'Corr' might have been 'Carr', for a Mary Carr of Granemore married John Rocks of Ballyheridan in Ballymacnab RC Church in 1912, her father was Michael Carr, a farmer, his was James Rocks, a labourer:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09926/5608522.pdf
Into more speculative territory now. A possibility just to note for the John Rocks who married Mary Corr/Carr in 1912 is this one born at Hazel Hill to James Rocks and Mary Kernaghan in 1880:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02865/2049476.pdf
The parents James Rocks (father John, a labourer) and Mary Kernaghan a.k.a. Kernan (father John, a labourer) were married on 9 December 1874 in Armagh RC Church, their address was Ballynahone.
Again just within the realms of possibility and so just to note until ruled in or out, this could be Mary (Anne) Corr, born in 1889 to parents Michael Corr and Elizabeth Anne Hughes:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02488/1922985.pdf
The parents Michael Corr (father Francis, a farmer) and Anne Hughes (father James, a farmer) were married on 3 August 1875 in Derrynoose RC Church, he was from 'Ferlagh', she from Granemore.
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My grandad on my mother's side was Rocks who was born at his family home on Rock Road, Armagh. The house is still standing and my family live near it. They had a quarry next to the house which they ran. His father was John, I think John's wife was called Evelyn (sp). This is my first step in trying to trace my family and I have came across this. My grandad was called Benny (Benjamin) and was born in 1914.
I think that John's family came from Clady / Granemore area as my grandmother was from Granemore and both sets of families were friends I believe.
Welcome to RootsChat. The only candidate for Bernard's birth that I can readily see is this one, registered in Keady, he was named Bernard Aloysius and was born on 1 October 1914 in the townland of Granemore to parents John Rox (farmer) and Minnie Corr:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574415.pdf
However it looks like 'Corr' might have been 'Carr', for a Mary Carr of Granemore married John Rocks of Ballyheridan in Ballymacnab RC Church in 1912, her father was Michael Carr, a farmer, his was James Rocks, a labourer:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09926/5608522.pdf
On the face of it, that information would read across to these possibilities in the 1911 Ireland census, just to note for now:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Ballyaros/Ballyheridan/325163/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Armaghbrague/Granemore/321522/
Prior to Bernard, John Rocks and Mary a.k.a. Minnie Corr/Carr had a son Michael and a daughter Elizabeth Claire:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01475/1600722.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01433/1587514.pdf
After Bernard came a daughter Mary Josephine (1916) and 2 sons (1918 & 1921), all born at Ballyheridan.
I've just started doing my family tree and was interested to come across this thread. I have small list of names on the Rocks family and much of the above marries with this list of names my father could remember. I have a John Rocks also living on Rocks road. It's my understanding that they owned a quarry.
In particular I have John Rocks being married to a ? Carr, which would align with the suggestion of Mary Carr. Their child is identified by Gaffys links as Michael which ties with my Paternal Grandfather and the date of birth sounds correct at 1912 .
I am not sure this takes the discussion forward, beyond providing some anecdotal corroboration for what's above.
Thanks for posting, it's helped move me forward in my pottering through the family tree.
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Hi Adrian, the only John Rock(s) in my tree was born 1837 the son of Simon Rock and Ann Burke. The name is normally spelt Rock, that is how it is spelt on birth and death records. However, in some cases other family members spell with an S.
The Patrick Rock came from Co. Armagh and moved to Omagh where he married and is buried, he is my wife great-grandfather.
If you want to know more I suggest you message me and I will give you my email.
Thanks
Tony
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Hi all id be interested in hearing further information on the Rocks' you have information on. I have a Michael Rocks born approx 1836 according to the 1901 census he was living at a house 5 Seaghan, Lisnadill, Michael is listed living with his 2nd wife Margaret McParland, they married at Ballymacnab RC 1864. At time of marriage Michael was listed as a widower, his 1st wife was Elizabeth McKee, they married 1862, had a son Michael born to Elizabeth Mckee 1863, so im assuming she died from possible complications at childbirth. Michael went on to have further children with Margaret Mcparland. James Rocks born 1867, Thomas Rocks born 1869 (my gggf) Edward Rocks born 1870, Patrick born 1871, Felix Rocks born 1874. All baptised in Ballymacnab RC. Thomas Rocks son of Michael married Elizabeth Quinn (relative of Bishop Austin Quinn) in 1898 in Ballymacnab. Witness's were Thomas & Lizzie Toner.
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None of the names/dates tie in with the Rock family on my tree however if you are able to message me I can forward a database that I received from the Co.Armagh church archives showing me all my Rock connections, dates of births etc. I can send this in a word document.
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I have ancestors who came from northern Ireland, believed to be from Armagh or Galway . I will list those ancestors:
-Owen Rock b. abt 1800 5-/+. Married Bridget.
Had a son name Patrick Rock. Born in 1835 and married a Mary/Maria Henry.
-Patrick and Maria made their way to Jersey City, NJ USA and had many children:
-Mary Rock born 1857
-Catherine Rock born 1863
-William Rock born 1864 (married Katie/Kate/Catherine, Fallon)
-James Rock born 1868
-Owen Rock born 1870
-Anna Rock born 1874 (married William Wolters)
-John Rock born 1876
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Erica,
Interesting but none of this connects with my family tree.
Mine is Simon Rock b. 1796 married Anne Burke with children
1826 Ellen
1832 Anne
1835 James
1840 Margaret
1842 Peter
1845 Patrick
1847 Mary
1851 Edward
Patrick b. 1845 was my wife great-grandfather
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Further searching makes me believe that Simon Rocks may have had brothers Bernard, James and John. Also, sisters Mary Anne, Maragaret and Sarah Rose. These names have all been sponsors on Simon Rocks children birth registrations. Finally, one of Bernard Rocks children was sponsored by Simon Rocks. Is this a lead?
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Hi, the post regards a paternal g/ father been a Micheal Rocks, Can I ask you did this Micheal register the death of his father (which would be your great grandfather) if so your g/father was my uncle, brother of my mother, regards
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... However it looks like 'Corr' might have been 'Carr', for a Mary Carr of Granemore married John Rocks of Ballyheridan in Ballymacnab RC Church in 1912, her father was Michael Carr, a farmer, his was James Rocks, a labourer:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09926/5608522.pdf
Into more speculative territory now. A possibility just to note for the John Rocks who married Mary Corr/Carr in 1912 is this one born at Hazel Hill to James Rocks and Mary Kernaghan in 1880:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02865/2049476.pdf
The parents James Rocks (father John, a labourer) and Mary Kernaghan a.k.a. Kernan (father John, a labourer) were married on 9 December 1874 in Armagh RC Church, their address was Ballynahone.
Again just within the realms of possibility and so just to note until ruled in or out, this could be Mary (Anne) Corr, born in 1889 to parents Michael Corr and Elizabeth Anne Hughes:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02488/1922985.pdf
The parents Michael Corr (father Francis, a farmer) and Anne Hughes (father James, a farmer) were married on 3 August 1875 in Derrynoose RC Church, he was from 'Ferlagh', she from Granemore.
Thanks you very much. That is my granddad. He was my Bernard (Benny) and not Benjamin - my mistake. Thanks for the information.
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I wanted to mention that one of Patrick Rocks brother Edward b. 1851 married a lady called Mary Valleley, maybe you are connected?