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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: cuddlybunny28 on Sunday 28 June 15 12:59 BST (UK)
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I am looking for my Great Great great Grandfather on my Fathers Mothers side of the family, Thomas Watkin/s born 1849 I know he was Married to Mary Williams Born 1846 Children John Thomas Born 1871, Margaret J 1872, David 1875, Mary E 1877 and Evan 1880 I think all the children were born in Llanfyllin any help would be appreciated Many thanks in advance :)
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1881 census 2 Oliver Place, Birkenhead RG11/3580 folio 24 pg 26
Thos Watkins head mar 31 carter b. Wales
Mary wife 34 b. Wales
John T son 10 b. Wales
Margaret J dau 8 b. Cheshire Bhead
David son 6 b. Bhead
Mary E dau 3 b. Bhead
Evan son 4 mo b. Bhead
1871 Fisher St, Llanwyddyn, Montgomeryshire RG10/5635 folio 64 pg 3
Jane Williams head Widow 54 staymaker
Mary Watkins dau mar 25
John Thomas Watkins grandson 6m b. Llanfyllin
Elizabeth Williams dau 14
all born Llanwyddyn except John
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This looks like the marriage Thomas Watkins Jan--Mar 1870 Llanfyllin to Mary Williams
Going be the family you posted this looks like them in the 1881 Census
Thos Watkins b 1850 Wales occupation carter address 2,Oliver Place Birkenhead Wales
Mary Watkins b 1847 Wales
John T Watkins b1871,Margaret J b 1873,David 1875,Mary E 1878,Evan 4months all born Wales
1871 Census Fishing Street Llanwddyn Wales
Jane Williams b 1817 Llanwddyn occupation stay maker
Mary Watkins age 25 married daughter
John Thos Watkins age 6 month grandson
Elizabeth Williams age 14 daughter
Sorry Osprey had started to post :)
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do you have a copy of the marriage cert to confirm fathers' names & occupations?
Possible for Thomas in 1851
Tynewith, Llwydiarth HO107/2499 folio 241 pg 19
Evan Watkins head mar 34 ag lab
Margaret wife 30
Mary dau 6
Elizabeth dau 4
Thomas son 1 b. Llanfyllin
all others born Llanfihangel (yng Ngwynfa)
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Sorry, forgot to say that Thomas was on his own in Llanfyllin in 1871, aged 21 married, labourer & born Llanfyllin living in Waenllys Cottage RG10/5632 folio 58 pg 3
birth regs
Margaret Jane Watkins dec qtr 1872 Birkenhead vol 8a pg 467
David Watkin mar qtr 1874 Birkenhead vol 8a pg 492
Mary Elizabeth Watkins dec qtr 1877 Birkenhead vol 8a pg 486
Evan Watkins march qtr 1881 Birkenhead vol 8a pg 472
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Many thanks for your help so far it has helped a great deal :)
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do you have that 1870 marriage cert?
Also in Waenllys Cottages in 1871 although on a different census page is an Evan Watkin aged 55 b. Llanfihangel a widower with son David 14 born Llanfyllin.
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This looks like the marriage for the son John Thomas Watkins age 23 Labourer father Thomas Watkins deceased carter ..Married Elizabeth Ann Cooke age 21 both living 9,Clapton Street .married 30/6/1894 St Michaels Hulme Manchester witness William Dumville and Mary Elizabeth Watkins
Wonder if this is Mary Watkins now Hopwood ?in the 1901 census address 39.Alma Street Manchester
Mary Hopwood b 1848 Llanfyllin Wales married age 53 charwoman
Evan Watkins b Birkenhead age 20 occupation carter
Thomas E Watkins b Birkenhead age 18 there is a birth for a Thomas Ellis Watkins 1882 Birkenhead
Baptism for Margaret Jane Watkins St Peters Liverpool 17/2/1873
born Birkenhead Cheshire father Thomas Watkins mother Mary
Death for Margaret Jane Watkins 1885 age 12 Birkenhead ?
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Hi Rosie17 yes that's him, apparently Elizabeth Ann Cooke was his first wife she died aged 25 he then married Mary Elizabeth Grisenthwaite my great grandma they had three children Sidney, Pheobe and Mona (my grandma) :) Thank you so much
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Not finding them in the 1891 census to see who is with the family will have a look later maybe Osprey might have better luck :)
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Mary Watkins married Anthony Hopwood 10/11/1887 St Mary's Parish Church Birkenhead information from online tree ..Also death registration 1910 Prestwich Lancashire Anthony Hopwood as you most probably know is with John Thomas Watkins in later census ..Possible death for Thomas Watkins 1883 Birkenhead age 32 estimated birth 1851
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sorry, haven't spotted them as yet in 1891. If you want to go back before 1871, you'll need to get a copy of the 1870 marriage cert to be certain of Thomas's father.
Mary's family looks to be easier to trace. 1851 census they are good enough to have Jane's mother living with them, so helping back another generation.
1851 Tynykill, Llanwddyn HO107/2499 folio 696 pg 9
John Williams head mar 43 ag lab b. Merionethshire, Llanywrllyn (Llanuwchllyn?)
Jane wife 34
Thomas son 8
Mary dau 5
Catharine dau 2
Jane dau 5
Catherine Jones wife's mother widow 67
all born Llanwddyn except John
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Many thanks for all your help :)
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Baptisms Llanwddyn
20 aug 1837 John
22 may 1842 William
28 May 1843 Thomas
28 Sept 1845 Mary
12 Jan 1851 Jane
25 March 1853 William
21 Sept 1856 Elizabeth
Possible Marriage Llanwddyn by banns 5 Nov 1836
John Williams otp ba X
Jane Jones otp sp x
witnessed Ellis Ellis John Jonesx
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Thank you for you're reply I was looking at this and thought it sounded like the right family 😊👍
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Might your Thomas Watkin have had an elder brother Rees? This is what I found on the 1851 census.
1851
(51) -----, Llwydiarth, Montgomery HO 107/2499 – folio 241 – page 18 district 6a
David Watkin head 75 Farmer of 5 acres b. Llanfihangel, Montgom
Mary Watkin wife 75 b. Carus, Montgom.
Rees Watkin g-son 8 b. Llanfihangel
(52) Fyniwrth??, Llwydiarth HO 107/2499 – folio 241 – page 19
Evan Watkin head 34 Ag Lab b. Llanfihangel, Montgom
Margaret Watkin wife 30 b.Llanfihangel
Mary Watkin dau 6 b. Llanfihangel
Elizabeth Watkin dau 4 b. Llanfihangel
Thomas Watkin son 1 b. Llanfyllin
Rees Watkin married Maria Morris in 1872 in Llanfyllin and they had Thomas, David, Margaret Elizabeth, John & Marie who were all born in Birkenhead. The names are very similar to those of Thomas Watkin's children in your family.
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Hi Salsera
Thanks so much for your help, it's much appreciated, I have managed to piece together the Watkins family quite well and now back to the 1700s so I am very pleased :)
Kindest regards
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Hello Cuddlybunny. I wonder if you can answer one or two of my queries regarding the Watkins of Llanfihangel yng Ngwynfa. My grandfather's cousin married Rees Watkin's eldest son Thomas (born 1972, Birkenhead) and his son Owen, whom I knew, made a few notes on his grandfather's siblings.
Other than birth years, he had no more information on Mary Watkin (1845) or on your ancestor Thomas (1849). Sister Elizabeth (1847) had married someone ..? and they had a daughter Margaret who married William Rees. I can't find this marriage so can't discover who Elizabeth married. Similarly, I don't know who the youngest sibling David (1851) married, only that they too had a daughter Margaret Watkin who married a Mr Jones - 2 children, and later a Mr Lucas - 4 children. Also in the notes was a Margaret Watkin who married Wayne Bingham. No idea of dates and haven't found the marriage yet.
Can you solve any of these mysteries please?
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Hi Salsera
My Ancesters Thomas Watkin was born 1850 in Llanfihangel Montgomeryshire I do not have a death date his wife was Mary Watkin Nee Williams Born 1846 in Wales but not sure where they were Married 8 Jan 1870 Llanfyllin Children John Thomas Watkin 1871 Llanfyllin, Margaret J Watkin 1872 Birkinhead. David Watkin 1875 Birkinhead Mary E Watkin Birkinhead 1877 and Evan 1880 not too sure of where he was born no marriages for any of them I'm afraid, if I do find anything more I will let you know :)