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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Clackmannanshire => Topic started by: Bloosman on Wednesday 01 July 15 05:09 BST (UK)
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Hi folks,
I've come across a death cert for my GGG Grandmother who died in Dollar in 1888.
The cert. shows her passing away in a street which looks like "Ballarat Place, Dollar". However, I can find no record of this place existing...
Can anyone help...?
Also, in the 1881 Census she is listed as residing in a house named Burmah, Dollar (where she is a Housekeeper). Again, any assistance would be appreciated.
Dougie.
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Hi Bloosman! Can you give us some names please, and I'm sure someone will be able to help! I see you say "from her cert".
It's ok to post extracts from the cert on here, just not the complete actual document itself!
Jeanne
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Have a look here: http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=89730299&mode=transcription
Scroll down the transcribed list and Ballarat Place appears a few times.
Anne
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Hi there, and thanks for the quick response...
Yes, I see that Ballarat Place does indeed appear on a number of occasions Anne...I'll just have to try and find out where it was now... ;)
As for person details:
Mary Gullen (ms. Ritchie), b.25/03/1808 @ Kinnoul, Perthshire. Married to Andrew Gullen, b.23/04/1820 @ Perth.
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Clackmannanshire Burial Records are available to view online, see: http://www.clacksweb.org.uk/community/burialrecords/
The above link should take you directly to all the Gullens listed although they all seem to be much later.
Anne
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Hi Dougie and Anne :)
An 1861 map of Dollar here which may help http://maps.nls.uk/view/74479296
Monica
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Also, in the 1881 Census she is listed as residing in a house named Burmah, Dollar (where she is a Housekeeper). Again, any assistance would be appreciated.
Not sure if the same. There is a link (won't open unfortunately) to a property referred to Burmah Cottage, 32 Dewar Street, Dollar, FK14 7ER. Looks to be a property sale and particulars I think.
Something to follow up on hopefully...Looking at streetview, many cottages look original so have a look around.
Monica
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If you key in '32 Dewar Street, Dollar' into your browser, choose (Google) maps, choose 'satellite view', then take the wee yellow man a walk along the street.
You'll see lots of cottages maybe one of those was originally 'Burmah Cottage'.
Have you thought about looking at Valuation Rolls to see who the proprietor/tenant at that property/address was? They are searchable by surname, so something might tie up?
Anne
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Hello Dougie,
I wonder if Ballarat Place, Dollar is a House rather than a Street.
On the 1891 Census, Dollar, there are several families living in Achilton Road, Dollar (Achilton may be an Anc**try transcription error for Ochilton) However, 2 families live at Balariet Place, Achilton Road. Agnes Thomson, age 46, (Household Schedule No. 68) & Jessie Harvie, 49, (Household Schedule No. 69) 1881 Census, Jessie Harvie's address is Ballarat, Dollar. 1901 Census, Jessie Harvey's address is Balarat R, Brickwork Rd., Dollar.
Ochilton Road (now named Devon Road) runs south from Bridge Street, past Ochilton on this OS Six Inch, 1888 - 1913 Map.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.1619&lon=-3.6762&layers=6
Slide the Blue dot on the bottom left of screen for an up-to-date satellite over-view. Or, click on Side by Side towards top of screen. You'll notice most of the streets in Dollar have been renamed!!
You can also change the maps by clicking on 'Select a map/map series' on left of screen. The OS Six Inch 1843 -1882 Map is very similar to the map which 'MonicaL' posted. (Just love the nls site)
The other reason I thought Ballarat may be a house (2 at least) is from information about the Dollar WW1 War Memorial.
www.warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic5780.html
The 2nd name on Page 2 is Robert Sinclair Dickson, 6th Battalionn, Australian Infantry. Son of James & Georgina Sinclair Dickson, of "Ballarat," Dollar, Clackmannanshire.
3rd name, Page 2 is Peter Dudgeon, 4th Battalion, Seaforth Highlanders. Son of George & Elsie Dudgeon, of Ochilton Rd., Dollar, Clackmannanshire.
4th name, Page 2 is Robert Eadie, 9th Battalion, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) Son of Mr. & Mrs. Robert Eadie, of Ballarat, Dollar, Clackmannanshire.
Both Ballarat & Ochilton Road mentioned but not together, however, there was a Ballarat in Dollar as late 1918/19. Almost within living memory. Someone in Dollar will have the answer to this mystery.
Regards, Dod.
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Hanging my head - a bit embassed .....
It was me who posted all that info on the War Memorials site!
Anne ::) ;D
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You do so much of this stuff, Anne...not surprised some info slips by... ;)
Monica :)
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Anne,
I'd like to take this chance to thank you and all the people who have worked and contributed to the Scottish War Memorial Project. Fantastic photographs and information, but sad, sad reading. Although I knew my grandfather (WW1) and uncle (WW2) are both listed on the Milnathort Memorial, I didn't know Orwell Parish Church also had a WW1 Roll of Honour, which includes my grandfather, until I found the Memorial Project website.
Thank you again. Regards, Dod.
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Monica - I suppose (more than) a few things do slip my mind, but I get so annoyed with myself when it happens!
Dod - I'm delighted to hear you found the Memorials site useful. Everything is done by volunteers and I know I can speak on behalf of everyone there, that if any of our efforts help anyone, anywhere, then it's a job well done!
Anne ;D
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Thanks Ecksdochter...
Great resource that..will have a look this weekend.
I was actually thinking along the lines of Ballarat Place being a small tenement block within a street, similar to many that are in my home town of Leven.
I'll see what I can come up with.
Dougie.
Hello Dougie,
I wonder if Ballarat Place, Dollar is a House rather than a Street.
On the 1891 Census, Dollar, there are several families living in Achilton Road, Dollar (Achilton may be an Anc**try transcription error for Ochilton) However, 2 families live at Balariet Place, Achilton Road. Agnes Thomson, age 46, (Household Schedule No. 68) & Jessie Harvie, 49, (Household Schedule No. 69) 1881 Census, Jessie Harvie's address is Ballarat, Dollar. 1901 Census, Jessie Harvey's address is Balarat R, Brickwork Rd., Dollar.
Ochilton Road (now named Devon Road) runs south from Bridge Street, past Ochilton on this OS Six Inch, 1888 - 1913 Map.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=56.1619&lon=-3.6762&layers=6
Slide the Blue dot on the bottom left of screen for an up-to-date satellite over-view. Or, click on Side by Side towards top of screen. You'll notice most of the streets in Dollar have been renamed!!
You can also change the maps by clicking on 'Select a map/map series' on left of screen. The OS Six Inch 1843 -1882 Map is very similar to the map which 'MonicaL' posted. (Just love the nls site)
The other reason I thought Ballarat may be a house (2 at least) is from information about the Dollar WW1 War Memorial.
www.warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic5780.html
The 2nd name on Page 2 is Robert Sinclair Dickson, 6th Battalionn, Australian Infantry. Son of James & Georgina Sinclair Dickson, of "Ballarat," Dollar, Clackmannanshire.
3rd name, Page 2 is Peter Dudgeon, 4th Battalion, Seaforth Highlanders. Son of George & Elsie Dudgeon, of Ochilton Rd., Dollar, Clackmannanshire.
4th name, Page 2 is Robert Eadie, 9th Battalion, Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) Son of Mr. & Mrs. Robert Eadie, of Ballarat, Dollar, Clackmannanshire.
Both Ballarat & Ochilton Road mentioned but not together, however, there was a Ballarat in Dollar as late 1918/19. Almost within living memory. Someone in Dollar will have the answer to this mystery.
Regards, Dod.
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If you key in '32 Dewar Street, Dollar' into your browser, choose (Google) maps, choose 'satellite view', then take the wee yellow man a walk along the street.
You'll see lots of cottages maybe one of those was originally 'Burmah Cottage'.
Have you thought about looking at Valuation Rolls to see who the proprietor/tenant at that property/address was? They are searchable by surname, so something might tie up?
Anne
Burmah Cottage is still there it is the corner house at the junction of Dewar Street and MacNabb Street.
I have never heard of Ballarat though it could be one of the two semis at the top of Devon Road (Ochilton Road) opposite the memorial gardens.
Cheers
Guy
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Hello Dougie,
We all seem to be thinking along the same lines here because I wondered if "Ballarat" was either semi-detached or one house divided into two. My grandmother lived in a house in Milnathort which had 4 tenants. Gran's rooms were on the right of the downstairs hall with another family on the left. Same arrangement upstairs, a family each side of the hall. Although they all had the same address, on Census Returns they would all have different Household Schedule Numbers. (Re: 1891 Census, Agnes Thomson & Jessie Harvie)
Regards, Dod.
PS.
I forgot to say that if you click on the link for nls maps, choose Scotland rather than Great Britain from the drop down menu in the 'Select a category:' box on the left of the screen.
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Burmah Cottage is still there it is the corner house at the junction of Dewar Street and MacNabb Street.
I have never heard of Ballarat though it could be one of the two semis at the top of Devon Road (Ochilton Road) opposite the memorial gardens.
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks Guy...found it...:-)
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Hello Bloosman. found your discussion and noticed a link with my research.
Mary Ritchie {Gullan/Gullen} is also my wife's GGG Grandmother through her and Andrew's son born 1849 Name: Andrew Gullen/Gullon/Gillan/Gullan
Date of Birth: 25th July 1849
Christening Date: 26th July 1849
Place of Birth: Perth, Perthshire
Occupation: 1896 Cattle Drover, 1898 Butcher , 1917 Cattle Drover
Date of Marriage: 1878
Place of Marriage: Perth
Date of Death: 31st March 1903
Place of Death: 1 Small's Wynd, Dundee
Cause of Death: Acute Pneumonia, 4 days
Where Laid to Rest: Eastern Cemetery Common Ground (Poor Ground) Section M as this lair was not marked at the time of burial the exact location cannot be identified.
Ages: M/D : 27 / 54
Addresses: 1851 2 Canal Street, Perth, 1878 St Mary Street Dundee
1896 24 Session Street Dundee.
Death Certificate signed by his Son Andrew Gillan, address 6 Cross Row, Dundee
If you wish to request Family Tree for the Gullen's please advise
Regards
Markw
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Hello Bloosman. found your discussion and noticed a link with my research.
Mary Ritchie {Gullan/Gullen} is also my wife's GGG Grandmother through her and Andrew's son born 1849 Name: Andrew Gullen/Gullon/Gillan/Gullan
Date of Birth: 25th July 1849
Christening Date: 26th July 1849
Place of Birth: Perth, Perthshire
Occupation: 1896 Cattle Drover, 1898 Butcher , 1917 Cattle Drover
Date of Marriage: 1878
Place of Marriage: Perth
Date of Death: 31st March 1903
Place of Death: 1 Small's Wynd, Dundee
Cause of Death: Acute Pneumonia, 4 days
Where Laid to Rest: Eastern Cemetery Common Ground (Poor Ground) Section M as this lair was not marked at the time of burial the exact location cannot be identified.
Ages: M/D : 27 / 54
Addresses: 1851 2 Canal Street, Perth, 1878 St Mary Street Dundee
1896 24 Session Street Dundee.
Death Certificate signed by his Son Andrew Gillan, address 6 Cross Row, Dundee
If you wish to request Family Tree for the Gullen's please advise
Regards
Markw
Hi Mark,
Yes, it appears we're related somewhat...
Andrew (b.1849) is my GG Grandfather and I do have info on him.
However, anything else you have on the extended family would be greatly appreciated, and if I can fill in any holes for yourself I'll happily assist.
Andrews daughter (my G Grandmother - Margaret Methven Gillan) was also buried at the Eastern Cemetery. I managed to obtain the plot/lair details from the Council, but likewise, no marker stone. numbers.
Regards,
Dougie.
PS. I have a couple of photo's of Margaret if they would be of interest to you...
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Bloosman, that would be great.. I do have quite a bit on Gullen's Spelling changed over time. If you PM with a email address I can send you my tree in PDF format. Have you tried contacting council as they usually give you lair and plot numbers but now charge for full grave index..
Regards
Mark
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Sent tree to the email address advised,
Regards
Markw