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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: tazzy on Thursday 23 July 15 00:17 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for a death for John Brown who was born in Stonehouse, Lanarkshire in 1893 and sailed to Quebec in 1920 and went to Toronto to work for a Mrs Sneddon of Galt Avenue, Toronto.
His occupation was a gardener. His parents were James Brown & Agnes Dickson
Someone has already found his details of sailing and I know it's a long shot but just wandering if anyone can help me find what happened to him.
I tried the phone directory for Toronto in 1921 but couldn't find a Sneddon listed in Galt Avenue.
My previous request was on Canadian Passenger lists and I'm not sure if I should be posting this on the same page.
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Here is a link to Tazzy's other thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=726146.0 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=726146.0)
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Could this be the Sneddon family?
1921 Toronto Census
Andrew Sneddon, living with stepfather Archibald? Robertson and I assume his mother, Jessie Robertson, as well as Robertson children. Andrews' info: born c1901, Scotland. The family immigrated 1910. Address: 137 Galt. Piano Finisher.
Marriage for Andrew Sneddon. His parents were George Sneddon and Bessie Cathcart(?). Andrew's occupation: Lithographer
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMF8-ZMZ
Have not yet found John Brown's passing.
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According to an online tree, Andrew was born in Blantyre, Lanarkshire. His father passed away in 1902 in Carluke, Lanarkshire. His father was only 27 years old. :'(
The tree states he immigrated in 1904. There is a passenger list for Mrs? Sneddon - "Howife", age 25, Giles, age 4, and Andrew, age 2. They were headed for Toronto.
Sailed from Glasgow, 30 April 1904 on board the Buenos Ayrean.
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Hi
Here is a COMPLETE shot in the dark!! Forgive me if I am barking up the wrong tree.
Looking at what Lisa found - Sneddons and Robertsons at 137 Galt. Perhaps there is a family connection. would your John have had the middle name Robertson?????
I found an obituary for a John ROBERTSON Brown - according to the cemetery stone, he was born in 1893. He died in 1970 in Meaford. Obituary is in the Globe and Mail. He was an OPP sergeant.
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/430006
I know the name is such a common one, but I am just posting this because of the birth year, and the Robertson name.
RK
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Andrew and Agnes Sneddon in Pine Hills cemetery
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Sneddon&GSiman=1&GSst=830&GRid=144667693&
RK
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Jessie Cathcart Robertson (presumably Mrs Sneddon before she was Mrs Robertson) - with Archibald Robertson.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fs2/
RK
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Obituary for Jessie C Robertson in the Toronto Star....
She died after an operation, on March 10 , 1929. Service was held at her home 137 Galt - put on by the Daughters of Scotland (she was a past president). Wife of Archibald Robertson. Was a member of Rhodes Ave United Church.
RK
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Obituary for Archibald Robertson in the Toronto Star.
He died at his home 137 Galt on July 6 1934. He was 62. Father of Archibald Robertson (of the circulation department of the Mail and Empire). Born in Lanarkshire. When he was young, worked for the A Robertson Buttling stores of Lanarkshire. Came to Canada in 1912. Since 1914, worked for the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC). Was a member of the Toronto Railway Employees union. Attended Riverdale United Church. Children are Archibald, Annie and Jessie of Toronto, Mrs Jack Day and Mrs Jack McDeigh of Los Angeles. 3 stepdaughters Mrs William Salzer of Hartford CT, Mrs Vern Hudson and Mrs Ernie Watt of Toronto. One stepson Andrew Snadon (must be Sneddon) of Toronto.
So far, I don't see any references to John Brown in any of the Sneddon/Robertson records. :'( Was hoping we would find some good leads....
RK
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Marriage for Jessie Cathcart Sneddon to Archibald Robertson in 1914.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27Z1-WQX
RK
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Unfortunately, John Robertson doesn't appear to be the correct person.
The headstone shows John R Brown and Hazel (includes middle and maiden names). (I don't like to post "recent" information.) I found a marriage record for John Robertson Brown, marrying Hazel (same middle and maiden names as on the headstone.) John was born in Ontario and his parents were not James and Agnes.
Good thought, though, RK. If only it had worked out.
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Well, I was about 90 percent sure it wasn't the right man, but still worth a look! Thanks for knocking him out of the running.
There are far too many John Brown obituaries in the paper to know which might be the correct one - without a middle name, or some connections through the Sneddon/Robertson family. It is very hard with such a common name. There is also the possibility that he didn't stay in Toronto. :'(
RK
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There are far too many John Brown obituaries in the paper to know which might be the correct one - without a middle name, or some connections through the Sneddon/Robertson family. It is very hard with such a common name.
RK
I agree. I have a Jane Brown, born in Ireland c1811, married in Toronto. :-\ I've never tried to find her parents or siblings.
I'll try again later for Mr. Brown, in case there is some little clue. Thank you for your help, RK; it's always nice to have other ideas.
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Hi Lisa & Run Kitty,
Many thanks for all the info on the Sneddon's. I also thought that there might be a connection with my Great Uncle John Brown to the Sneddon's or Robertson's but John didn't have a middle name and also for the fact that he gave the name of Sneddon in Galt Avenue Toronto as his employer when he went to Toronto. He may have moved on somewhere else from Toronto. He was in the Cameron Highlanders before he went to Canada. It is a long shot but I thank you so much for wha you've done. :( :( :(
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Hi tazzy:
There were a lot of John Brown's in the 1921 Toronto directory. One lived 9 blocks away (using a current map) from the Galt Street address, on Curzon Street. Perhaps he lived near the Robertson/Sneddon family; perhaps this Mr. Brown was in no way connected. Like RK, I thought I would just mention it.
https://archive.org/stream/torontodirec192100midiuoft#page/610/mode/2up
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Another possible wild goose chase...
1921 Sub-District 42 - Port McNichol (Village), Simcoe East, Ontario Census
Joe Brown, Single, born c1894, born Scotland as were parents, immigrated 1920, Presbyterian, Gardener
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He was in the Cameron Highlanders before he went to Canada.
John's immigration document states his father was James Brown, Millfield Cottage.
British Army Service Record
Attestation of: John Brown, Corps: Cameron High.
"Questions to be put to the Recruit before enlistment.
1. What is your Name? 1. James Brown
2. What is your full Address? 2. Millfield Cottage
4. What is your Age? 4. 21 years
5. What is your Trade or Calling? 5. Gardener"
Dated: 21 December 1914
Should we be looking for a James Brown, not John? Could John have been a nickname? ???
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Dear Lisa.
Definitely not James Brown. I have his army papers and it is John Brown. His Birth Certificate shows John Brown - no middle name. He had a brother called James (killed in 1918). My late Mother told me many times that her Grandmother (John's Mother) used to say that she thought John must be a down and out as she hadn't heard from him for a long time. That was probably in the late 1920's / 1930's. (she died in 1939)
I think it may be too difficult to find him due to the common name.
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Dear Lisa
I meant to say that his Army paper does say Jaes Brown but obviously a mistake on someone's part. :( :( :(
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Wow. This is my great grandfather and great grandmother! My grandmother is Jessie Robertson, her Dad is Archibald Robertson. Thank-you for so much information to help track my family tree:)
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Yes. The Robertson's are my ancestors. Jessie Cathcart is my Great Grandmother. I'm sorry but at the moment I do not have any information regarding John Brown but I am just starting my research. If that changes I will let u know☺.