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Title: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Thursday 27 August 15 17:41 BST (UK)
Hi all,
Can someone help with a burial in the Wellington area please ?
Richard Colley was bap. 16.02.1794 to Richard and Elizabeth in Wellington.
His brother John and father Richard moved to Pensnett and died and were buried there but I have never been able to find Richard.
I am wondering if he died young and hence buried in Wellington.
Any help finding him greatly appreciated - I cannot find an appropriate marriage for him.
Regards
robsdad
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: clairec666 on Thursday 27 August 15 18:01 BST (UK)
Shropshire burial records on findmypast have Richard Colley born 1790 buried 1795 All Saints Wellington. I've not looked at the image but maybe he was aged 5 months and it has been mistranscribed, or alternatively he was 4 years old at the time of his baptism. Or it could be a different Richard, but I can't find a christening around 1790.
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 27 August 15 18:13 BST (UK)
Richard Colley born 1790 buried 1795 All Saints Wellington. I've not looked at the image but maybe he was aged 5 months

Age 5  ;)
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Thursday 27 August 15 18:36 BST (UK)
Hi,
Many thanks Claire and Rosie.
Just a thought Rosie did the age stipulate 5 yrs ?
Regards
robsdad
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 28 August 15 08:09 BST (UK)

Just a thought Rosie did the age stipulate 5 yrs ?


No the entry was as I put aged 5.  Out of approx 80 entries only 7 had 'years'  written after.  It would appear from that page and following pages that no age was written for any child under 2 it just stated infant.

Rosie
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Friday 28 August 15 12:40 BST (UK)
Hi Rosie,
Thanks for clearing that up, think I was maybe clutching at straws.
regards,
robsdad
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Friday 17 March 17 17:21 GMT (UK)
Richard Colley bapt 16/2/1794 ,son of Richard Colley and Elizabeth Chalonia married Catherine Purcell 9/6/1818 in Dawley Magna.They had 4 children Martha b 1819,Thomas born 1821,John born 1824 and Samuel born 1828 all in Dawley Magna.John is my husbands direct ancestor.From this time the family seem to stay in the Dawley area for a couple of generations.In 1841 they live at Langley Row Dawley.In 1851 they live at Well lane Dawley.By 1871 it would appear that Catherine is a widow and living with son Samuel (who is unmarried) in Rednal Lane Dawley.By 1881 Catherine is also dead
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Friday 17 March 17 20:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Skala,
Thanks for that as I wondered why Richard jnr. was not in Pensnett with his father etc.
Cannot yet satisfy myself about his mother as Richard married Elizabeth Challonia in 1788 in Madeley and first born was Jacob in Dec.1788 then Isacc in 1791 who died 1793 in Madeley ( note his name on familysearch given as Isacc Challoner Colley so definite Challoner connection.
However an Elizabeth Colley died in Madeley 1792 described as a 'woman' not a child and following closely Isacc birth I feel this may have been Elizabeth Challoner, Isacc subsequently died 1793 the following year.
I have juggled with this problem for years and think there may have been a second Elizabeth who with Richard snr. produced a second family in Wellington and later Wombridge starting with your Richard in 1794 ?
I hope you follow my logic.
An Elizabeth was on 1821 Wellington Parish census at Ragfield with Richard and their last three daughters - Elizabeth, Jane & Margaret her age was 55
ie D O B 1766.  I cannot to date find an Elizabeth Challoner born that year.
Regards,
robsdad

Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Sunday 19 March 17 14:55 GMT (UK)
I have Elizabeth died 1840 Wellington Shropshire Jan/March qtr ref18/170and husband Richard died July 1856 buried St Marks church Pensett (gravestone)think he was living at Shutt End Kingswinford and was a stone miner. Are you descended from Richard born 1794 and Catherine Purcell? My husband descends from their son John born 1824 Dawley Magna and his wife Jane Owen. Their son Thomas born 1844 married Maria Jones who had three children dying in childbirth with the third child. their son John Frederick Walter(depending what day it was he kept changing his name)was my husband also Tom's Grandfather. When Maria Jones died Thomas married again to Emma Tripass and had 7 more children. Would be interested to hear where your line fit into this tree Many Thanks Skala.
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Sunday 19 March 17 16:48 GMT (UK)
Hi
Yes I have Richard snr. Burial in Pensnett.
I am descended from Ann the sister of your Richard who was born 1805.
Have you looked at the 'Elizabeth Colley' topic I started ?  Keyboard86 gave me details of the 1840 burial you talk about her age was 71 ie DOB 1769 and address Sump Lane, Wombridge. 
I cannot directly connect the Francis who lived there in 1841 to our side.
The only Francis I can find bn. 1787/91 nearby has a father Benjamin & mother Sarah ?
Regards,
robsdad
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Sunday 19 March 17 19:08 GMT (UK)
Don't know anything about Sump Lane Wombridge?or a Francis?
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Sunday 19 March 17 20:26 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Seems doubtful whether Elizabeth who died 1840 is our Elizabeth ?
What do you think in the light of Keyboards note re the burial details ?
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Monday 20 March 17 11:32 GMT (UK)
Hi there tend to agree that she would seem quite old in her 50's to be having the last three children so yes I think Richard may have had another wife called Elizabeth. Its a problem sorting out the records when they tended to have the same family names. In my husbands family the names continue ie Tom, Ann Richard ,Jane, Martha, Sarah to this present day. Are your family still in the Shropshire area? My husbands family moved in the 1800's to Newport in S Wales and then to Sheffield for work. Please keep in touch and I will try to keep searching too ,hopefully we can sort out the mystery! I have found some records back to a John Colley born 1657 in Stoke on Tern who married an Ann and had a big family with all the names used in later lines but I need perhaps another 2 generations in between to try to match them up to ours. Not quite the correct way to work back to front? I have made a note as they may be use full at a later date. Cheers for now.
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Monday 20 March 17 17:28 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I think you may be a little off with the age of the Elizabeth bur. 1840 at 71.
Assuming the last child was Margaret ( 1812 ) then she would have been 43
which would be OK.
However my problem is I have two other Elizabeths besides the one above born 1769 ( if the date at death is correct ! )
Elisabeth Challoner we know bap. 1772 in Stoke on Tern who I assume rightly or wrongly married Richard in Jan. 1788 at 15 or 16. First child Jacob Dec. 1788 . This is the Elizabeth I think died 1792 in Madeley.
The other positive listing is on the '1821' Wellington Parish Census which is the only census where Richard and an Elizabeth appear together viz.
Wellington - Ragfield
Richard Colley 58 labourer in trade
Elizabeth.       55
Elizabeth.       14
Jane.              14.    ( think this should be 12 )
Margaret.        8.

Richard's age looks right ie. Born 1763
Elizabeth's age means born 1766 older in fact than Elizabeth Challoner ?

So we have now three Elizabeths 1766, 1772 and 1769
Will we ever find out the truth ?
regards,
robsdad



Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Tuesday 21 March 17 11:42 GMT (UK)
Think we are all Elizabetted up ?don't you? Do you have Richards father as Robert Colley born 1720c in Morton Say married to Ann Dodd. They had seven children. They were married by lic 19/4/1748 in Nantwich. Robert died in 1785 in I believe Cheswadine.
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Tuesday 21 March 17 12:36 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I have a note somewhere marked 'not definite' and cannot think where my information came from - need to sort out my filing system
Do you have the children's details ?  I have only Margaret 1756 & Edward 1758 both Stoke on Tern to a Robert and Ann but that is all.
You say there were seven ? please tell me the others.
Regards
robsdad
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Tuesday 21 March 17 13:41 GMT (UK)
Ann b31/7/1748 Robert b 1752 ,d1752 bur Morton Say, Robert b1753,Margaret b1756 all Morton Say. Edward b1758 Stoke on Tern, John b 1769 Cheswardine, Richard b1763 Stoke on Tern .I have got Ann's maiden name as Dodd do you know if this is correct?Cheers Skala
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: skala on Tuesday 21 March 17 14:03 GMT (UK)
Forgot to mention that I note you have Maizy and Hanwell as names you are also interested in.I have a John Maisey in Taynton Oxfordshire and Hanwell family (my Granmother's family) from Long Buckby Northamptonshire.Any use?
Title: Re: Wellington burial
Post by: robsdad on Tuesday 21 March 17 18:58 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Manage to sort out my notes and do have all the information you list.
Sorry to put you to unnecessary trouble as the details were supplied to a earlier post of mine by 'ciderdrinker'. He also confirms marriage to Ann Dodd in Nantwich 29.04.1748 by licence.
Re Oxfordshire, my direct ancestor is Ann Maizey b. 1785 in Hanborough daughter of James Maizey and Jane Hanwell.
regards,
robsdad