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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Freya Ellingsen on Saturday 05 September 15 15:48 BST (UK)
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Looking for information on Esther Scott who married a Henry Brown abt 1831 Tasmania.
They had several children, which I did find on the Colonial database Tassie.
Trying to located Henry and Esther's deaths.
This Esther Brown is believed to of been the daughter of the Sealer Old Scott of King Island.
Thanks
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May be of interest https://blackwarvandiemensland.wordpress.com
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http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2000-01/0948606473
Henry BROWN (1798-1880) and wife Esther (nee SCOTT)(1814-1878)
If the above is correct then these are the deaths:
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-47p111j2k
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g24/
Name: Brown, Esther
Record Type: Deaths
Gender: Female
Age: 64
Date of death: 25 Jan 1878
Registered: Morven
Registration year: 1878
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1211300
Resource: RGD35/1/47 no 385
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-49p120j2k
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g25/
Name: Brown, Henry
Record Type: Deaths
Gender: Male
Age: 82
Date of death: 14 Aug 1880
Registered: Morven
Registration year: 1880
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1162467
Resource: RGD35/1/49 no 465
Tasmanian Cemeteries - Evandale
St Andrews Presbyterian Cemetery
Esther BROWN
died 25 Jan 1878
aged 64 years
Also looks like her children buried there too
http://thegardensfamily.com/cemeteries/Evandale/Presbyterian/index.htm
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Thanks yes that could be Esther, but I'm not a 100% positive as there is a web site that claims her as there's http://mepnab.netau.net/b/brownhenry.html#brown the parentage of their Esther is different to what we know also that cemetery record marries up with this site. ???
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Lookup please for a Esther BROWN born abt 1817 m Henry Brown Tasmania cannot find her death, seeing that some of her children came to Victoria thought she may of been buried there? I know one of her sons Henry Thomas BROWN was buried at Bambra cemetery..
Thanks
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Hi there,
At the following live link which I spotted on your other recent thread there's a date given for her death. The date given is : 25 Jan 1878 .
Have you contacted the webmaster and asked for further information?
http://mepnab.netau.net/b/brownhenry.html#brown
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730064.0
Cheers, JM
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https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-47p111j2k
This seems to be the image for the registration of the 25 January 1878 death of Esther Brown, farmer's wife, aged 64, of Atrophy. It is in the district of Morven, Tasmania.
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/47782568 Launceston Examiner 26 January 1878
DEATHS.
BROWN—At her residence, Blessington, near Evandale, on the 25th January, Esther, the wife of Henry
Brown, aged 64, leaving a family of fourteen to mourn her loss.
Cheers, JM
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Tasmanian Cemeteries - Evandale
St Andrews Presbyterian Cemetery
Esther BROWN
died 25 Jan 1878
aged 64 years
Also looks like her children buried there too
http://thegardensfamily.com/cemeteries/Evandale/Presbyterian/index.htm
Sons buried with her should confirm if she is your Esther BROWN
also John BROWN
died 23 April 1909
aged 77 years
George BROWN
died 15 March 1908
aged 73 years
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Notice for husband Henry BROWN:
The Cornwall Chronicle 17Aug1880 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72357012
DEATH.
BROWN.— On the 14th August, at his residence, Blessington, Mr. Henry Brown, aged 82 years -----
Funeral http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72356994
THE funeral of the late Mr Henry Brown will leave Lilliburn Bridge, on Tuesday, 17th inst,, at 11 a.m., arriving at the Presbyterian Church, Evandale, at 3 p.m. Friends are respectfully invited to attend.
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BROWN — On the 14th August, at his residence, Blessington, Mr. Henry Brown, aged 82 years
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72357012
BROWN - On the 7th April, at his late residence, Blessington, Joseph, eldest son of the late Henry and Esther Brown, aged 74 years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38080869
Joseph's baptism in 1832
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-1-p242j2k
You will also find other references to family members if you search Trove for "brown blessington"~6
Debra :)
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I think this thread should have the following thread merged within it.
topics merged
Cheers, JM
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http://mepnab.netau.net/b/brownhenry.html#brown is not connected as we know it it can not be clarified, I have written to the site regarding Sealer Scot but no reply, as this site has different parents for Esther Brown nee Scot, Esther was the daughter of Sealer Scot from King Island, we believe she was born on the mainland of Tasmania, before Scot went to live on King Island with Aboriginal woman Maria, Esther didnot go with her parents she went into domestic service.
Their site does have some of our Browns but others that don't match with the Victorian Browns.
The deaths of 1878 for Esther are on that site as well as Henry 1880 but because of the different parents for Esther it cannot be clarified....
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Do you have your Esther and Henry BROWN as residing at Blessington at any time during their marriage?
Do you have your Esther and Henry BROWN as having fourteen children?
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD36-1-2p16j2k For Clarification.... :) Eshter SCOTT's marriage :)
Cheers, JM
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Their site does have some of our Browns but others that don't match with the Victorian Browns.
Who are the ones that don't match?
Debra :)
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May I please suggest that all the births/baptisms listed below are full siblings .... just speculating :)
18 Jan 1832 Joseph, son of Henry and Eshter BROWNE, registered Launceston https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-1-p242j2k
24 Dec 1833 John, son of Henry and Eshter BROWNE, registered Launceston https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-2-p307j2k
9 April 1836 George, son of Henry and Esther BROWN, registered Launceston https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-2-p378j2k
16 July 1838 Henry son of Henry and Hester BROWN registered Evandale https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-3-p488j2k
12 June 1840 Mary Ann, daughter of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT61-BZS
and
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p650j2k
15 Oct 1841 Jessie,daughter of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT61-B9T
and
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p679j2k
14 April 1843 Walter, son of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-23-p723j2k
15 Oct 1846 Adam, son of Henry and Esther BROWN, registered Evandale https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-3-p623j2k
29 April 1849 James, son of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT, registered Morven https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-27-p532j2k
11 Sept 1850 Richard, son of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT, registered Morven https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-27-p540j2k
14 Sept 1852, Elizabeth Jane, daughter of Henry BROWN and Esther BROWN, registered Evandale
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-3-p685j2k
17 Sept 1852 Isabella, daughter of Henry and Esther BROWN https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXX-Y73
2 June 1854 Eliza, daughter of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT registered Morven https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-32p325j2k
24 May 1856, un-named child of Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXF-4D7
NOTING 24 May would be Queen Victoria’s birthday, celebrated throughout the Empire, often by naming babies born/baptised on that day either Victor or Albert for males or Victoria for females)
Cheers, JM
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http://mepnab.netau.net/b/brownhenry.html#brown is not connected as we know it it can not be clarified, I have written to the site regarding Sealer Scot but no reply, as this site has different parents for Esther Brown nee Scot, Esther was the daughter of Sealer Scot from King Island, we believe she was born on the mainland of Tasmania, before Scot went to live on King Island with Aboriginal woman Maria, Esther didnot go with her parents she went into domestic service.
Their site does have some of our Browns but others that don't match with the Victorian Browns.
The deaths of 1878 for Esther are on that site as well as Henry 1880 but because of the different parents for Esther it cannot be clarified....
I think you will find that Sealer Scot was actually John SCOTT, a sealer. Google is your friend :
https://bassstraitto1850.wordpress.com/biographies-of-people-living-in-or-visiting-bass-strait-to-1850/
https://blackwarvandiemensland.wordpress.com/ (a descendant of John SCOTT has posted on a blog there)
http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/_transcript/2007/D00007/mss7059_robinson.pdf NSW State Library
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=S&id=NS1612
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/175638276?selectedversion=NBD52240019
From that other website re Esther's parents .... I quote
Esther Scott born 1814 in Tasmania
As far as we know Esther was born to Thomas Scott and Mary Tracey, who came to Tasmania as convicts. From Suzanne - Mary TRACEY was born in Ireland - and possibly in Dublin Ireland - circa 1790 - that is a very rubbery guess. She had a child with Thomas SCOTT in Launceston Tasmania in 1814.
Cheers, JM
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Gee OK thanks for that I think lol!http://www.rootschat.com/forum/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif I have picked up this tree with some info abt them, for a good friend trying to establish her tree her family are saying the first 5 of these children are their relatives not the rest! It's all very strange, as they are saying that their heritage is from a direct ancestor who was a Aboriginal woman as per before Maria, who had Esther Brown nee Scott! Where as that web that I sent u had all the Browns on it but says Esther Scot mother was Mary and was English not Aboriginal!
So give me your opinion! ;D I must say that my friends Grand Father was Adam Brown b.1884 d.1970 and she knew him and he was vv dark in skin colour.
Its a lot to try and sort out....
Thanks for your Help it is very valuable
Fran
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So give me your opinion! ;D I must say that my friends Grand Father was Adam Brown b.1884 d.1970 and she knew him and he was vv dark in skin colour.
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So, from within the family's own records (not the ones available online NOW, but from when Adam 1884-1970 was alive), what info was known at that time about Adam's parents, siblings etc....
So, Adam born 1884 .... who were his parents, his brothers/sisters and where were they born .... If not in Tasmania .... then when did they move across Bass Strait?
Working back, one generation at a time :)
Cheers, JM
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There’s a death registered in 1922 (Geelong) Victoria for a Henry BROWN, aged 87, with parents names indexed as Henry BROWN and Esther SCOTT. #1532
If your friend believes this is their Adam's father, then perhaps that would be a good certificate to obtain to check what further information the informant provided about the children of the deceased, given that Adam should be noted on that document.
Vic BDM offers an immediate download of the original image :)
Cheers, JM
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So this may be the death of the Adam BROWN
BROWN Adam
Father Henry
Mother Elizabeth MILLS
Death Place GEEL
Age 86
Year 1970
Reg 19052
Sue
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Ok Adam's father was Henry b. abt 1847 in Tasmania m Elizabeth Mills in 1870 going by Henrys death he arrived from Tassie in 1862..... sorry tried to attach marriage and death of Henry but wont let me..
i do have wedding and death certs but gives us no clues...
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Ok Adam's father was Henry b. abt 1847 in Tasmania m Elizabeth Mills in 1870 going by Henrys death he arrived from Tassie in 1862..... sorry tried to attach marriage and death of Henry but wont let me..
i do have wedding and death certs but gives us no clues...
The 1870 marriage cert will include details that Henry himself actually provided (so first hand info) to the clergy about his origins, his age, his occupation and about his parents too. So could you please type these up.
(Add, especially his then age ! 1870 - 1847 = about 22 or 23 ish..... I would expect the document to have him as about 32 or 33 ish ) :)
Cheers, JM
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I am able to see eight births to Henry BROWN and Elizabeth (nee MILLS) in Victoria.
I will type them up if of interest, but perhaps they are listed on the death certificate of Henry BROWN?
Here is the Victorian index item for the marriage
Henry BROWN (born Tasmania)
MILLS Elizabeth (born Berk)
Year 1870
Reg 2611
Sue
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Married 9th 1870 at St Thomas's church Winchelsea Victoria, Henry Brown and Elizabeth Mills both never married before Henry from Patterson's plains Tasmania her ? he was 31 she was 21 parents Henry Brown mother Esther Scott hers Allen Mills mother Esther Low all farmers, Henry could not write looks as Elizabeth could witnesses Richard Mills and Allen Mills
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Elizabeth could be born @ either Shilling Ford Berks (shire)? of Hilling Ford hard to make out!
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I don't know the full story and Mr Google is not telling me anything useful, but I would want to know what proof both sides have of their idea of Esther's origins. There must have been something that gave them the idea in the first place.
I think your friend needs to accept that Henry and Esther had 14 children.
The copy of John SCOTT's diary mentions this piece placed in the newspaper after he drowned, asking for someone to take on the girls. This occurred in 1843 and the surviving children were aged 12 (the son Tom), the eldest girl 9, and a younger girl (Mary Ann and Catherine). An infant drowned with the father.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/36235130
So SCOTT's wife had a child in 1814 and an infant in 1843? How many wives did he have?
Debra :)
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Yes that is the question indeed, all those children dates not to sure.... We have a date of abt 1817 for Esthers birth but not really sure...Yes I have read Scott's Diary but a lot of my friends refs come from
Mollison The Tasmanian Aborigines and their descendants. Scott had two other children before going to King island and one of these went into domestic service and they think it was Esther?
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I agree with NUGENT that John Scott had other wives and children before Mary on King Island. John Scott was recorded as living in Westernport Bay with his 'lubra' and two children before he lived the rest of his life on King Island.
I am keen to be in contact with Nugent about his/her connections to the Scott family as I have gathered a some information on John Scott and his descendants a few years ago.
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I would be interested in the information on John Scott and any information pertaining to his daughter Esther. Was wondering whether Esther's mother was Mary or as you suggested another woman he had before he moved to King Island?
@phbakker Could you please contact me?