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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: alwills on Friday 11 September 15 19:48 BST (UK)
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During my researches into my family history a few farms in Tregaron keep popping up.
In particular:
Fforest/Forest - My GGGG-grandfather Nathaniel Jones and his wife Margaret owned/lived here from 1841 (the earliest at which I can confirm them there so far) until Nathaniel's death in 1880(?). Their 11 (tbc) children were born here, including Evan.
Argoed Fach - My GGG-grandfather Evan Jones, worked/lived there with his wife Mary Jones sometime around 1875 - 1877 (that I have confirmed so far). Two of their three children were definitely born there, including my GG-grandfather, Nathaniel.
Pencefn - Mary Jones nee Jones, Evan Jones wife, was living here at the time of their marriage in 1874.
I believe Pencefn and Argoed Fach were neighbouring farms.
My question is, does any have any information on these farms, do they still exist, the history of each, etc?
Thanks
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All three are neighbouring farms as per the map below(properties "south" of Tregaron).
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101608351
Regards
Roger
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Brilliant thank you, Roger :)
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I can find a few refeences to Argoed Fach in the Welsh Newspapers online archive - most relate to families called Walters , Richards and Davies - a few Jones items (see below). an auction for Argoed in 1906 says the property includes a cottage called Argoed Fach or Bank
The Aberystwith Observer 11th April 1885
ACCIDENT. As a poor widow named Mary Jones, Argoed-fach, was sitting by the fire on Wednesday night, at her house, she was taken in a fit and fell into the fire. Being- unable to move, her arm was severely burned to the bone but there is every hope for her recovery.
The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser 25th October 1889
Lloyd v. Jones. David Lloyd, solicitor, Lampeter, sued Mr John Jones, Argoed-fach, Tregaron, for the recovery of £ 19 10s, being one and a half years' rent of Gwarffynon, Tregaron. Mr Arthur Hughes appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr W. P. Owen (Griffith Jones & Co.) for the defendant. The plaintiff was examined in support of his case, and a mortgage dated 26th April, 1880, from Griffith Griffiths to plaintiff, was put in and admitted by the defendant. The Judge made an order in favour of the plaintiff for £19 10s and costs, payable by monthly instalments of £ 1
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A lot of Jones items for Pencefn, but not sure if related to yours - including, sadly two young brothers drowning in 1904
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4144895/4144898/86/
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an item from 1900
SHEEP FAIR. The first of a series of sheep fairs was held in this town on Tuesday last, when a large number of sheep were offered for sale. Most of them were considered to be in excellent condition and the prices secured ranged from fourteen shillings to six- teen shillings. This is said to be rather lower than the prices obtained at the corresponding fair of last year. Between eight and nine hundred were sold and taken across the mountain to Brecon fair, which is to be held on Friday. The heaviest purchaser was Mr Dan Jones, Blaenplwyf, Lampeter, who bought over 500; the next being Mr Jno. Jones, Berthddu, Swydd- ffynon, 250. The former is the son and the latter the grandson of the late Mr Nathaniel Jones, Forest, near this town, who bought thousands of sheep at these fairs in his day.
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The Aberystwith Observer 11th April 1885
ACCIDENT. As a poor widow named Mary Jones, Argoed-fach, was sitting by the fire on Wednesday night, at her house, she was taken in a fit and fell into the fire. Being- unable to move, her arm was severely burned to the bone but there is every hope for her recovery.
How awful! This could well be her, she was widowed only 5 years before, and would have been 33 when this happened, if it is the same Mary. She had moved by the time of the next census, in 91, with her 2 younger daughters (the oldest son was in the army and the middle son had died some 8 years prior at 10 years old).
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The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser 25th October 1889
Lloyd v. Jones. David Lloyd, solicitor, Lampeter, sued Mr John Jones, Argoed-fach, Tregaron, for the recovery of £ 19 10s, being one and a half years' rent of Gwarffynon, Tregaron. Mr Arthur Hughes appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr W. P. Owen (Griffith Jones & Co.) for the defendant. The plaintiff was examined in support of his case, and a mortgage dated 26th April, 1880, from Griffith Griffiths to plaintiff, was put in and admitted by the defendant. The Judge made an order in favour of the plaintiff for £19 10s and costs, payable by monthly instalments of £ 1
Evan had an older brother called John.
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A lot of Jones items for Pencefn, but not sure if related to yours - including, sadly two young brothers drowning in 1904
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4144895/4144898/86/
Yes, both farms were Jones. Mary maiden name was Jones! These poor lads were probably related to Mary's side of the family (I haven't done much research on her family as yet). :(
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an item from 1900
SHEEP FAIR. The first of a series of sheep fairs was held in this town on Tuesday last, when a large number of sheep were offered for sale. Most of them were considered to be in excellent condition and the prices secured ranged from fourteen shillings to six- teen shillings. This is said to be rather lower than the prices obtained at the corresponding fair of last year. Between eight and nine hundred were sold and taken across the mountain to Brecon fair, which is to be held on Friday. The heaviest purchaser was Mr Dan Jones, Blaenplwyf, Lampeter, who bought over 500; the next being Mr Jno. Jones, Berthddu, Swydd- ffynon, 250. The former is the son and the latter the grandson of the late Mr Nathaniel Jones, Forest, near this town, who bought thousands of sheep at these fairs in his day.
;D Daniel Jones was Nathaniel's youngest son. I imagine the eldest son's inherited the farm, yet left Daniel and his son to start off on their own.
Thanks for these Mabel :)
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What might be of interest is another item, immediately below the one about the sheep market. I am asuming this is your Nathaniel, given the reference to being a prison warder on the IOW
The Cambrian News and Merionethshire Standard
18th May 1900
ANOTHER LETTER FROM BLOEMFONTEIN. On Monday last, Mrs Mary Jones (late Aberdwr), Peutre, received another letter from her son Corporal Nathaniel Jones, attached to No. 9 Bearer Company Royal Army Medical Corps, 1st Cavalry Brigade, who has been stationed at the Base Hospital, Cape Town, since the commencement of the war, but has been recently removed to Bloemfontein. Corporal Jones was under the impression that hostilities would have ceased before this letter reached his mother. He pathetically enumerates the hardships he has experienced during the period he has been out, such as the inadequate supply of clothing and the unavoidable consequences arising there from, the scarcity of water, the defective supply of all foodstuffs provided, etc. He has been twice promoted during the war, first to lance corporal and again to corporal. He informs his mother he is quite happy, though he would prefer the life of prison warder, as he was employed in one of H M.'s prisons prior to his being called to the front as a reservist. He longs to be home again with his wife and family who reside at Newport, Isle of Wight.
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3317091/3317099/57/
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and sadly, his death
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3863861/3863869/58/
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With a bit more info here, including mention of his father
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3317127/3317133/43/
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and sadly, his death
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3863861/3863869/58/
Yes, he died only 13 days after his third child was born.
He is my GG-grandfather.
He had lied about his age when he enrolled, so he was actually only 24 when he died.
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With a bit more info here, including mention of his father
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3317127/3317133/43/
Wow thank you.
His widow Sarah Ann moved back to her hometown of Llanelli a short time later. The youngest child who is mentioned in this piece was named for his father, but sadly he died at the young age of 14.