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Any Help Please for family and children of:-
Captain, John Hood
An advert dated 21 September 1778 indicates that the Ship called "Brothers", Captained by John Hood, along with other ships in a list traded between Selby and London.
Also stopping at many Yorkshire places (named). A regular return of the said ships from Selby to London. From the Gun-and-Shot Wharfe, Southwark, London to Selby and York, the advert states.
The following seem to be linked to John Hood:-
London and Surrey Bond marriage bond allegation 17 August 1778
John Hood parish of Scarborough, a mariner Widower to Sarah Hammond Widow
ref MS 10091E/91 (Not Seen)
Selby 10 April 1795 Elizabeth Turner Baptised 1st daughter of Charles & Morland.
... "Morland dau of John Hood of Selby, Mariner by Elizth his wife, dau of John Spencer of Scarbro', Mariner. Born 6th Apl"
Transcription - Not checked.
Morland Hood (or Maudland Hood, Spinster aged 20 Married Charles Turner at Selby 27 November 1794) was the daughter of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, with Elizabeth Spencer, whose Father was John Spencer of Scarborough.
There is an August 1803 Burial record at Selby of Jane Hood wife of John Hood, Mariner.
Also a burial of John Hood at Selby 4 April 1819 aged 82 (Occupation not given).
Question
My 4 x Gt Grandfather George Hood, Cooper, Tanner and Brewer was from Selby and married Sarah Russel in Selby 18 July 1815, both of this Parish, by Licence and Bond (dated 16 May 1815).
Although the Hood family remained at Selby when George Hood, Tanner and Brewer of Selby died 18 September 1845, aged 60 and two newspapers stating he was aged 63 years, there is oddly no burial for him at Selby, Brayton, or Barlby.
Are there any shipping records which give a Captain's children and could confirm if Captain John Hood was father to George Hood, please?
Thank you Mark
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Hello All
This shipping is all new to me, but managed to find a ship called 'Brothers' listed under London in 1787, in TNA, Kew, online document BT 162/1 which starts 1786.
I will have a look at the other Ports later (following London which is the first Port listed) and see if I can find the Port for the 'Brothers' ship in 1786.
I presume this is the same ship as the one in my first post, as I noticed there were 3 ships called 'Thomas' in the same Port, which now leaves me with doubt?
But it is not much to go on, this ship the 'Brothers' had 12 men and boys usually employed and weighed 152 tons "As British built".
Thanks for any help, Mark
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According to Lloyd's Register 1780 There were at least 46 British registered ships with the name BROTHERS. None of those listed had HOOD as her master.
The problem with the BROTHERS referred to in your first post, is that in effect she was a coasting vessel and would not get a mention in LLOYD'S LIST the premier source of shipping information from that era.
I would try, unless you have already, contacting Hull History Centre. They hold Muster Roles (Crew Lists) for most of the the Humber ports 1747-1851
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http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/discover/hull_history_centre/our_collections/source_guides/muster_rolls.aspx
I would also contact http://www.scarboroughsmaritimeheritage.org.uk/index.php
You asked Are there any shipping records which give a Captain's children and could confirm if Captain John Hood was father to George Hood, please?
I doubt it but Hull History Centre may know more.
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According to Lloyd's Register 1780 There were at least 46 British registered ships with the name BROTHERS. None of those listed had HOOD as her master.
The problem with the BROTHERS referred to in your first post, is that in effect she was a coasting vessel and would not get a mention in LLOYD'S LIST the premier source of shipping information from that era.
I would try, unless you have already, contacting Hull History Centre. They hold Muster Roles (Crew Lists) for most of the the Humber ports 1747-1851
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http://www.hullhistorycentre.org.uk/discover/hull_history_centre/our_collections/source_guides/muster_rolls.aspx
I would also contact http://www.scarboroughsmaritimeheritage.org.uk/index.php
You asked Are there any shipping records which give a Captain's children and could confirm if Captain John Hood was father to George Hood, please?
I doubt it but Hull History Centre may know more.
Hello Seaweed
I had heard of the National Maritime Museum, but really was unsure where to contact in the Yorkshire area, as TNA, suggest surviving records are either held Nationally or at local record offices, so thanks for your suggestions.
I came across, quite an interesting website dealing with the Packet ships and Coasters plying their trade in the Yorkshire area, on the Ouse and elsewhere and have email him.
Later/other adverts refer to Coasters arriving and leaving Hull and Selby and also list the passengers arriving and leaving.
Thanks Mark
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Peter has kindly pointed out that John Hood was on the YORK UNION, Hull to Sunderland, (York newspaper of 18th February 1777).
In another newspaper of 9th November 1782 John Hood, was Master of the MARY of INVERNESS, lying at Newcastle Quay, when the "Brig or Vessel" was to be sold by Auction at the Sign of the Three Kings, Quayside, Newcastle, on Tuesday the 19th November 1782, (if not sold before by private Contract). The ship was 10 years old and American built.
Mark
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-Y8H?mode=g&i=91&owc=collection%2F1309819%2Fwaypoints&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
George son of John hood -1 Oct 1786 Gateshead Durham (Newcastle wharf) on the river tyne
George Hood married aged 28 in 1815 Selby = born 1787 (his aged given by himself on his intent to marry 1815 bond allegation)
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In another newspaper of 9th November 1782 John Hood, was Master of the MARY of INVERNESS, lying at Newcastle Quay, when the "Brig or Vessel" was to be sold by Auction at the Sign of the Three Kings, Quayside, Newcastle, on Tuesday the 19th November 1782
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Any Help Please for family and children of:-
Captain, John Hood
An advert dated 21 September 1778 indicates that the Ship called "Brothers", Captained by John Hood, along with other ships in a list traded between Selby and London.
Also stopping at many Yorkshire places (named). A regular return of the said ships from Selby to London. From the Gun-and-Shot Wharfe, Southwark, London to Selby and York, the advert states.
The following seem to be linked to John Hood:-
London and Surrey Bond marriage bond allegation 17 August 1778
John Hood parish of Scarborough, a mariner Widower to Sarah Hammond Widow
ref MS 10091E/91 (Not Seen)
Selby 10 April 1795 Elizabeth Turner Baptised 1st daughter of Charles & Morland.
... "Morland dau of John Hood of Selby, Mariner by Elizth his wife, dau of John Spencer of Scarbro', Mariner. Born 6th Apl"
Transcription - Not checked.
Morland Hood (or Maudland Hood, Spinster aged 20 Married Charles Turner at Selby 27 November 1794) was the daughter of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, with Elizabeth Spencer, whose Father was John Spencer of Scarborough.
There is an August 1803 Burial record at Selby of Jane Hood wife of John Hood, Mariner.
Also a burial of John Hood at Selby 4 April 1819 aged 82 (Occupation not given).
Question
My 4 x Gt Grandfather George Hood, Cooper, Tanner and Brewer was from Selby and married Sarah Russel in Selby 18 July 1815, both of this Parish, by Licence and Bond (dated 16 May 1815).
Although the Hood family remained at Selby when George Hood, Tanner and Brewer of Selby died 18 September 1845, aged 60 and two newspapers stating he was aged 63 years, there is oddly no burial for him at Selby, Brayton, or Barlby.
Are there any shipping records which give a Captain's children and could confirm if Captain John Hood was father to George Hood, please?
Thank you Mark
Hi All
Edited
Now Mark has a copy of the bond allegation 1778 sent to him by email- I have removed the snippets of the bond image I posted on here.
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Peter has kindly pointed out that John Hood was on the YORK UNION, Hull to Sunderland, (York newspaper of 18th February 1777).
In another newspaper of 9th November 1782 John Hood, was Master of the MARY of INVERNESS, lying at Newcastle Quay, when the "Brig or Vessel" was to be sold by Auction at the Sign of the Three Kings, Quayside, Newcastle, on Tuesday the 19th November 1782, (if not sold before by private Contract). The ship was 10 years old and American built.
Mark
This puts John Hood in reach of Gateshead 1777 -1782
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Hello
I wondered if anyone can shed any light at all please, on the death report in the Hampshire Chronicle Newspaper, reputedly to be dated 18 January 1773 of John Hood, Esquire.
DEATHS.
John Hood, Esq. many years an East-India Supercargo.
Esquire, suggests he might of been of some rank, or connected to the business of the company in some way?
Thanks Mark
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Ship; Bedale, J Hood 1780 Hull
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=WYAS756%2f4%2f1&pos=53
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Ship; Bedale, J Hood 1780 Hull
http://catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=WYAS756%2f4%2f1&pos=53
Hello dobfarm
Thanks for that link, I expect this will be printed in the newspaper (so no copy required).
I'm wondering how complete the Aire and Calder Navigation Company records and Canal / River Company records are, at the various Archives including Wakefield, for September 1845 / November 1879?
We only need a River Company Goods Carriage / Conveyance Book or Ledger with the date and convey 1 body / coffin from Selby to ___________
Might get a location near his / her burial place?
Just looked again at George Hood's Death Certificate and he died on 18 September 1845, with the death registered on the 19 September 1845.
Regards Mark
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See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercargo re the role and status of the Supercargo
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Hello dobfarm,
According to the 6 February 1780 Letter from Burton & Taylor, Hull to William Martin, Wakefield, Aire and Calder Navigation correspondence, you found, it does state, Bedale, J. Hood, arrived yesterday from London.
Re Hood in February 1780, also found the following:-
HULL, February 12,
Coasters Arrived. ...
; Bedale, Hood , Galeston, Stamford ;
So J. Hood / Hood had been out again and arrived back at Hull, on the 12th February.
19 March 1782 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, March 16.
COASTERS ARRIVED. Amity, Harrow ; Industry, Hood ; George, Woodhouse ; John and Mary, Jones, and Queen, Meggitt, from London. Henry, Walton, fr. Plymouth.
26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 3 May 1788
Ship News.
HULL.
Sailed. ...
Centurion, Hood ; ... all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 28 March 1789
SHIP NEWS.
HULL.
Arrived. ... COASTERS. ... Centurion, Hood ; ... all from London.
Thanks Mark
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See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercargo re the role and status of the Supercargo
Thanks Shaun
The second most important person on the ship and also responsible for the cargo on behalf of the owner, but travelling with the cargo and selling the cargo at Ports and buying goods.
I have also found an early 1800s reference to a Lloyds of London Board Meeting (it would seem), employing a George Hood and others to investigate fraudulent or bogus shipping cargo and insurance claims.
Thanks Mark
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Hello All
Around the time of the birth of George Hood of Selby, newspapers suggest that John Hood was on the London route from, or via Hull.
John Hood, Mariner of Selby was married to Jane by 1803, as Jane Hood aged 65 and wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner was buried at Selby in August 1803.
26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
According to the Selby, Yorkshire, Register of Births for Elizabeth Turner 6th April 1795, regarding her mother Maudland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) it states:-
Morland Daur of John Hood of Selby mariner by Elizabeth his wife Daur of John Spencer of Scarbro' mariner.
John Spencer Mariner, mentioned in a Will, found at Blythburgh
Regarding a John Spencer, Mariner, the following has been found in documents at Blythburgh near Southwold, Suffolk:-
"Robert Elmy, in 1784, bequeaths a sixteenth share in the brig John and Sarah to one daughter and the like portion in the brig Friendship, to another, and his relative John Spencer, mariner, "by reason of my sincere and firm attachment to the Dissenters of Southwold", direct that £50, shall on his wife's death revert to the Trustees of the Meeting".
John Hood of Selby, mariner, was originally married to Elizabeth Spencer, daughter of John Spencer of Scarborough, mariner, I feel this could possibly be an interesting discovery, whether the John Spencers are the same, is still to be discovered?
Kind regards Mark
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Signature of John Hood of the Parish of Scarborough aged 25 and a Batchelor Mariner 6th December 1763 Marriage Bond, to Elizabeth Leppington of Scarborough aged 26 and a Widow.
(Rootschat member wishes to compare signatures, with another)
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Bond Signature of John Hood of Scarborough aged 37 and a Batchelor Mariner 8th September 1759 Marriage Intention & Bond to Elizabeth Hood of the same place aged 21 and a Spinster.
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George Hood bapt -25 December 1788 Mother Hope Hood - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England (Near Bridport West bay harbour)
Hope Hood Bapt - 25 Feb 1765 Father John Hood mother Elizabeth - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England
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George Hood bapt -25 December 1788 Mother Hope Hood - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England (Near Bridport West bay harbour)
Hope Hood Bapt - 25 Feb 1765 Father John Hood mother Elizabeth - Broadwinsor, Dorset, England
Thanks dobfarm
I wonder if the above were related to the Hood (Baron Bridport) family.
Kind regards Mark
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http://www.scarboroughsmaritimeheritage.org.uk/article.php?article=279
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Hello dobfarm and All
Mainly for Information. But can anyone solve:-
i) especially, who Jane Hood was or
ii) other items marked Blue please?
Three John Hood, Mariners of Scarborough
Thanks for your link and other information, I have sent Scarborough Maritime Museum some information regarding the three John Hood Mariners of Scarborough 1759 and 1763 (Marriage Bonds & Allegations) and the 1778 London (Marriage Intention to Sarah Hammond), which all seem to have differing signatures.
John Hood of Selby, Mariner, links to Child - Maudland Hood only
Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) Descent information (attached), when first daughter Elizabeth Turner was baptised at Selby in April 1795.
Looked at the actual Scarborough baptism record of 24 Dec 1775, [born] 15 August and Maudland Hood was the Daughter of John and Eliz: Hood.
John Hood Abode Selby, aged 82, when he was buried at Selby 4th April 1819, was likely baptised Scarborough on 22 March 1738 with Father George Hood.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of William Hood 1741 gives parentage as George Hood & Maudlin.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of Richard Hood 1745 gives parentage as George Hood & Magdalene.
[Magdalene, Madelin and Maudlin all close variations to be the same and likely where Maudland's name originated from]
A 1731 York Marriage Bond (now seen) gives me George Hood and Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough.
It is rather interesting that John Hood's wife was apparently a Spencer (Elizabeth Spencer) and his apparent father George Hood of Scarborough married a Spencer (Maudlin Spencer).
Mrs Turner at Selby 1828, but too Vague
The nearest newspaper reference I can find at Selby is a Mrs Turner in 1828 occupying a house in Gowthorpe, Selby, but it is NOT even a property of George Hood's.
John Hood of Selby Mariner - Re/Married a Jane [Somebody? / Somehere?] Before her Selby Burial 15 Aug 1803, aged 65
The other mystery is who was Jane Wife of John Hood of Selby Mariner?
No link George Hood of Selby back to John Hood
If only I could find a document linking my 4 x Gt. Grandfather George Hood of Selby (Marr.1815 & d.1845 both Selby), to John Hood of Selby, or Maudland Hood (or Turner), or even George's burial!
George Hood of Selby
'George Hood of Selby' is being a right pain!
A Cooper, but with no Apprenticeship listing online (tried again today).
No definite baptism.
No burial location, despite checking quite a number of Yorkshire Parish Burial Registers on m/f & fiche.
He is certainly giving us the run-around!
Kind regards Mark
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George Hood died 1840 master mariner South Shields linked to Cloughton near Scarborough -need his age at death but must have died overseas as he's not registered death GRO 1840
George's of Sheilds son is John Laidler ? Hood
Above George could be related to John (mariner) and Jane Hood of Selby
Not ruled out George Hood Bapt 1786 Gateshead son of John.
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Jane Dickinson baptism 20 November 1738 father John Dickinson
SCALBY NEAR SCARBOROUGH, YORK, ENGLAND
John Hood X Jane Dickinson
marriage 23 November 1762
Scalby/Cloughton Near Scarborough, York, England
Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner age 65 burial Selby 1803 (born 1738 )
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Up to now most info research is Selby post 1812 but little before, maybe its time to concentrate on Scalby/Scarborough and Shields/Gateshead manorial records and deeds - plus shipping - so on & so forth also any Gibson - Hood connection North East (Newcastle area)
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Surname Laidler ? -Yorkshire/Durham ?
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George Hood died 1840 master mariner South Shields linked to Cloughton near Scarborough -need his age at death but must have died overseas as he's not registered death GRO 1840
Above George could be related to John (mariner) and Jane Hood of Selby
Not ruled out George Hood Bapt 1786 Gateshead son of John.
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Jane Dickinson baptism 20 November 1738 father John Dickinson
SCALBY NEAR SCARBOROUGH, YORK, ENGLAND
John Hood X Jane Dickinson
marriage 23 November 1762
Scalby Near Scarborough, York, England
Jane Hood wife of John Hood mariner age 65 burial Selby 1803 (born 1738 )
Thanks dobfarm
Thanks for reminding me of Jane Dickinson.
I haven't forgotten the Gateshead 1786 George Hood baptism either, it is downloaded and in my folder as a possible.
I somehow think the Dickinson suggestion might have some mileage and very worth me pursuing now.
1) 1831 Deed Registration extract of Gowthorpe, Selby to George Hood.
"and John Dickinson of Selby aforesaid Plumber and Glaizer
the only Son of William Dickinson Late Selby aforesaid
Tailor and Martha his wife both deceased before her marriage
called Martha Clark another of the Sisters and Coheiresses at
Law of the said John Clark of the one part and George
Hood of Selby aforesaid [?W]idower of the other part and " ...
[ (?)"idower" but could it say Brewer with a very fancy B].
Regarding the 1831 registration "Woodcock & Others to Hood " when George Hood was acquiring 4/5ths of the Gowthorpe property in Selby, from four [of the five] Clark sisters, left to them (or their predecessors) by John Clark, Tanner in his 1764 Will bundle and this was the Gowthorpe Tannery acquired or purchased by George Hood. Hannah Woodcock was also Hannah Clark by the way.
2) Although John Dickinson was a Witness generally to the adjacent 1815 marriages in the Selby Marriage Register? He was also one of the witnesses to George Hood and Sarah Russel 1815 Selby Wedding, with a James Cockin (written as Jane Cockin in the Selby Marriage Bishops Transcript).
3) In Llandudno Register and Herald 18 July 1889
Address Mrs Evans, Shrewsbury ho, Church Walks, Llandudno
Mr, Ms and Miss Barber, Bangor
Mr, Mrs and Master Smith, New Brighton
Mr, Mrs & Master Dickinson, Darlington
Miss Hood, Selby
Miss Hood of Selby might be with the Dickinsons, or she could be listed at the end as a single person below the Dickinson's, by coincidence.
From the last expedition to the Borthwick, I have two Marriage Bond/Intent images (1759 & 1763), plus yours of 1778 London Marriage Intent, for three John Hood, Mariners, all of Scarborough or Parish of Scarborough.
Perhaps looking at Maudland Hood and her descent, I'm concentrating on the wrong John Hood, Mariner?
Thanks, regards Mark
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William Hood son of George Hood and Sarah (Russel) m 1815 Hood married Scarborough years later downstream alone is enough -Scarborough/Cloughton-Scalby is the common link and packboat/coasters, sea and inland waterways the other link.
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Hello dobfarm and All
Re George Hood Bapt 1786 Gateshead son of John.
A book I have on fiche, also known as Whitehead's Newcastle Directory 1787, Printed by T. Angus.
Alphabetical List of the People in Trade, &c. in GATESHEAD, COUNTY OF DURHAM.
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Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore
It appears John Hood of Gateshead was a publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory, not a Mariner.
Later known as the Ship Inn South Shore Gateshead.
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark
I'd say OK! not him- if its was not for south shore and depends how long he was publican of the ship also publicans moved around the country -Could be reason Hood's re appear in Selby after a gap in parish register entries or land tax .(Question - Did the Selby Land tax name Pubs/Inns of property of the Petre family or Spencer's or any property as Inns)
The Ship Inn is on the South shore (Port) Gateshead John Hood publican could also be a mariner short run packboats - Wife run pub or staff
http://www.gateshead-history.com/gateshead-pubs.html
(Half way down page above link)
R Gibson was a Cooper also chatman
George Hood d 1845 -Straw hat making business, Cooper, Brewer and Tanner come Overseer of poor
George Hood Bapt 1786 Gateshead son of John -still in the running
Regarding George Hood d 1840 South Shield- Being a ships captain no doubt visited Selby
Could he be George Hood the Widower in the 1831 Selby document and remarried by 1840--I mean dates are nearer (not 50 years apart)
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Hello dobfarm and All
Thanks dobfarm for the link, which has a photo of the Ship Inn Gateshead, I enjoyed seeing that old photo.
I have gone back to Leeds University Special Collections again, as William Hood was a Quaker and died Selby in 1870.
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/special-collections-explore/Quaker%20Collection?selection=Quaker+Collection&query=Selby+burial&browseQuery=Search&selection=Quaker+Collection&collectionGroup=Quaker+Collection&sortBy=Relevance
Recently, I have heard that the Quaker Burial Notes are usually highly detailed and Quakers were interested with their lineage too. So I shall see if they tell us anything about George Hood his father, that we don't yet know.
Regards Mark
List of Graveyard Closures (incl. Selby Quaker Burial Ground Notice with the exception of Mrs Jane Hood) in "The London Gazette, December 2, 1887."
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Hi Mark
That would be great! Thinking of dades baptism register with grandparent entries of the baptized did you do any research on William Hood's children if Quaker births)
http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/Quaker-Digests-The-Religious-Society-of-Friends-Nonconformists/29/
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/help/aboutRG6.htm
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Re :- John Hood and Jane Dickinson marr 1762 Scalby (No death of a Jane Hood in Scalby or Cloughton found)
If they did not baptize their children - Jane Dickinson bapt 1738 matches Jane Hood burial 1803 aged 65 born 1738 wife of John Hood Selby strongly suggests George Hood d 1845 Selby could be one of their un-recorded childrens baptisms probably born 1778 to 1783 )
I can't find any baptisms of siblings for this John and Jane Hood (nee Dickinson) yet they had a Sarah Hood burial 1785 daughter of John and Jane of Cloughton
Also John Hood X Jane Newby marriage: 3 November 1793 could be son John Hood and Jane Dickinson
John Hood birth 1767 to 1771 0n 1841 C Scalby residence Cloughton field
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQG1-CZL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQG1-CZL
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Hello dobfarm and All
Thanks dobfarm for the link, which has a photo of the Ship Inn Gateshead, I enjoyed seeing that old photo.
I have gone back to Leeds University Special Collections again, as William Hood was a Quaker and died Selby in 1870.
https://library.leeds.ac.uk/special-collections-explore/Quaker%20Collection?selection=Quaker+Collection&query=Selby+burial&browseQuery=Search&selection=Quaker+Collection&collectionGroup=Quaker+Collection&sortBy=Relevance
Recently, I have heard that the Quaker Burial Notes are usually highly detailed and Quakers were interested with their lineage too. So I shall see if they tell us anything about George Hood his father, that we don't yet know.
Regards Mark
List of Graveyard Closures (incl. Selby Quaker Burial Ground Notice with the exception of Mrs Jane Hood) in "The London Gazette, December 2, 1887."
Hello dobfarm
The children went to Ackworth School and they are in the Admissions Register (printed book at archive.org) online.
Regards Mark
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Hello All
Been informed William Hood's Burial Notes (died 1870 aged 54) span over two pages, will these tell us more about his father George Hood (my 4 X Gt. Grandfather) or Hood family, watch this space.
Regards Mark
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George's 1845 burial will give his father if he was buried in a Quaker burial ground as a none Quaker being parent of a practicing Quaker or sons wife a practicing Quaker and grandchildren Quakers.
Just maybe a bit like Mormons !! still record parents ancestry even if they were of another denomination religion
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An after thought ? George Hood d 1845 died age 60-ish relatively young, say George born 1786 had a young dad aged 21 at his birth year 1786, his father born say 1765 ish -Meaning George's dad and brothers could be on the 1841 census as - Cooper-Wheelwright-Cartwight-Joiner (Something to do with Wood/lumber)-Brewer-Tanner-Straw hatmaker
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Hello All
It was too good to be true apparently.
Gives William Hood of Selby, date, his age.
Gives the grave maker's name (digger I presume).
2nd page is the Coroner's Release slip for burial.
No parentage, no reference to father George Hood, parentage, or brothers / sisters.
I already have the Inquest record, which mentions briefly his wife being Jane Hood of Wren Lane and his mother Sarah Hood, a widow and how she was next door to William's premises in Wren Lane, usually made him a meal, that William walked across the fields from Byfield and Sarah saw him collapse.
Seems, as though Quaker records only mention the father, when the father was a Quaker.
Regards Mark
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-Y8H?mode=g&i=91&owc=collection%2F1309819%2Fwaypoints&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
George son of John hood -1 Oct 1786 Gateshead Durham (Newcastle wharf) on the river tyne
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Hello dobfarm and All
I have the above Gateshead [St Mary] Baptism image downloaded some time ago and just trying the Gateshead Burial images from the same link (above) which actually go up to 1840.
Is there another link please, which would take me to the Gateshead 1845 Burial images?
Thanks
Regards Mark
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That link I posted was for that George's BT baptism 1786.
With the coming of BMD certificates July 1837 familysearch -who mostly worked on baptisms/marriage upto to recent years to put some limited burials on their website but mostly tend stop at 1840/50's
Other websites may have Gatehead post 1840
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Forget you George D 1845 esti birth year circa 1786/7 and Selby John Hood on this.
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/NewSearch.php
Use search in link Top horizontal menu
do a blank search of George then John, and all Hood's leaving first name blank
A George b 1786 with a beginning then nothing of his life or burial
Your George d 1845 est birth 1786/7 with no beginning , had a life and death but no burial
Its more a case we have a right baptism year for your George if he came to Selby independent of Hood's living in Selby or the John Hood who died 1819 (Could be coincidence father of George Hood baptism Gateshead was called John Hood)
What's not there of what one would expect to find seems the case for this George Hood b1786
Use this website search for George Hood b 1786 son of John Gateshead
Try find a life of dates of any event picture of a life of the above two Hood's
For George there is nothing after his baptism 1786 no infant burial, no adult burial, no other event with a approx. date of birth
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Marriage Bonds Durham Diocese 1779 John Hood abt 1756 All Saints, Newcastle-upon-Tyne
1756 would be a perfect year of birth for George Hood d 1845 Dad
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Then do district search only Gateshead _Newcastle ect
The do date years +/- 20 year (Ie example 1770 then 1790 the 1810 and so on with each district.
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The Newcastle Courant etc (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England), Saturday, May 21, 1825; Issue 7754.
deaths (Deaths in no particular order as instances as concerned Ie;- 17th Inst -3rd Instance -10th inst ect)
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15th instance: Hannah daughter age 16 years daughter of James Hood Innkeeper.
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4th inst: George aged 7 years 2nd son of Mr Hood innkeeper of Morpath
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The Newcastle Courant etc (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England), Friday, June 10, 1853; Issue 9314
Inquest
2nd case:-is that of the son of Simon Hood Innkeeper of Blaydon (Gateshead) who was drowned yesterday while bathing in the river Tyne at Willington Quay along with another boy son of Mr Thompson of the Glob Inn in Howdon
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The Newcastle Courant etc (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England), Friday, May 13, 1859; Issue 9620
Marriages
30th ult: Mr Robert Danton to Mrs Margaret Hood, Innkeeper Blaydon (Gateshead)
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Another port east coast port
The Newcastle Courant etc (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England), Friday, July 12, 1861; Issue 9733
In brief
Alnwick petty sessions
William Hood Innkeeper fined for furnishing drink to a party.
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It needs a some researching to confirm or some good indications as Gibson ancestry as well as Hood's but if its the right place and parents then things will start fitting together if the same approach intense research as that done already around Selby is used. George & Sarah Hood need not have been buried on Tynemouth either.
On dates fitting, parents ages fitting and locations scenario in its most basic form picture
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4L4-FXR?i=227&wc=MLVD-L23%3A165411201%2C165411202%2C165412401%3Fcc%3D1840743&cc=1840743
In ratio of normal generation of families father to son ages seems right and there is nothing to say George Hood d 1845 Selby father was a mariner either. ( The John Hood b 1737 mariner of Selby always seems far too old to be George's dad anyway)
John Hood age 23 X Elizabeth Gibson age 21 marriage of intent bond allegation Dec 15th 1779 in Newcastle
Innkeepers, Maltsters, Brewers & Wood Keg/barrel makers all fit together at the back of a pub/inn them days.
George Hood son of John Hood 1st October 1786 Gateshead
Obscure George Hood suddenly shows up from nowhere or anywhere with no known history in Selby & takes over a bankrupt Cooper business of Richard Gibson 1811/12 Selby
George Hood age 28 (b 1787 age given by George himself ) x Sarah Russel married in Selby 1815
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Hello All
Of possible interest to family history researchers from TNA, Kew £0.00 (free) to download (takes about half an hour and 405Mb Pdf ), if the father might be in the Navy?
Some quick scribble notes of HOODS extracted from ADM 142/6 REGISTERS OF WILLS, surname H (see images, as some contain more information, than my notes below).
"No." given is the number in Ledger on that Pdf page number, (separate column for any Ship Number)
Pdf p.7
No. 58 Alex’r Hood, Ship last from "Culloden", 17 October 1787, in favour of Ann Hood, Plym Dock, Wife
Pdf p.9
No. 89 John Hood, Ship last from "Inspector", 13 August 1785, London, in favour of John Hood, Father, Witnessed by Wm Blair Weacock [or possibly Wedcock?]
To Pdf p.55 (No. 600) but seem to begin Surname “Ha”.
So fast search to Surnames beginning “Ho” again, but found on …
Pdf p.74
No. 885 Sam’l Hood entered by mistake, Thos Baker 3 Oct 1818, in favour of Wm Baker 17 Napan St, Midd’ex Hospl, Brother
“Ho” from Pdf page 127
Pdf p.131
No. 73 Hugh Hood, Ship last from "Fox", 24 April 1794, Jane Hood, Carrickfergus, Wife
Pdf p.136
No. 163 George Hood, ship last from “Union” present residence Sick Quarters Sheerness 16 September 1795, in whose favour Peter Parker [or Barker? or Birker?] of the Union, Executor “friend” Surgeon and Agent. [Will] Sent to Doctors Commons 24 March 1797 Cresswell. Returned 24 April 1797. “Check issued” 19 May 1797. To “Cashier”
[Note: when this George Hood died, might possibly buried in the Sheerness area?]
No. 165 Jno Hood, ship last from “Apollo” on board, 9 August 1795, Mary Hood, Southwark, Wife, the Captain and Clerk witnessed the Will.
Pdf p.137
No. 177 John Hood, Ship last from Bellerophon, 7th Oct 1796, Jane Hood, Derby, Wife.
No. 179 Joshua Hood, Ship’s Name “Commerce & Marseills” 9 November 1795 John Hood, Moshields, Brother [actually looks like Moshields, (perhaps meant NoShields abb’n., for North Shields?)]
Pdf p.140
No. 223 Richard Hood alias Richard Griffiths, ship last from Hannibal, on board, 28 April 1781, in favour of Sam’l Hood of Portsm’ and Harriott Griffiths of London, Grandfather and Sister
Pdf p.143
No. 287 David Hood, Ship last from “Captain” 26 May 1805, Eliz’th Hood, Cornwall, Wife
Pdf p.144
No. 301 John Hood, Ship last from “Renown” 20 Nov 1800, in favour of Jane Hill, Plymouth, Sister
Pdf p.145
No. 314 Hen’y Henry Hood, Ship last from “Bellona”, Haslar Hos: 23 April 1801, In whose favour Eliz Sergeant, Cha’s Fowler Ex’r, London, Witnessed by Gov: & Agent 23 Dec, Check Issued 1 Jan’y 1803, Ex’r duplicate 4197 by order of A.I. [or A.J.] 3 March 15
[Seems to have reference to an Order referring to a duplicate 4197 of 3 March 1815. This was the year my George Hood of Selby got married?]
Pdf p.147
No. 387 Thos Hood, Ship “Medusa” 12 April 1805, In favour of Eliz Watson of Glassell Kermorr, Mother
[typing ‘Glassell Kermoor’ into a search engine, gives Glassel Post Office, Glassel (AB31), Glassel Aberdeenshire and Glassel Banchory. Also words appear amongst addresses including road names in Lancashire and Chorley, Lancs]
No. 393 Jno Holland, “Agam”[?] 2 October 1805, in favour of Jas HOOD, Portsea, Sister
Pdf p.149
No. 325 John Hood “Defiance”, 12 May 1801, in favour of Fra’s Myers, Residence Defence, Friend, Check issued 11 November 1801 Ex’r
No. 328 John Hood, Ship last from “Defiance” on board, 12 May 1801, Francis Myers on board the Defiance, Seaman, Witnessed by Captain and Master See (325)
Pdf p.156
No. 504
Sam’l Hood
Tho’s Baker “Minden & Griffon” – vid Ba 863 Will in Case H/5126 24 November 1811
[any reference to Case (later in 1940) was usually a reference to an Admiralty Volume number]
Pdf p.159
No. 545 Thomas Hood, “Intrepid”, on board, 23 December 1853 [reference to £5 and several names, some on board] Sister Caroline [other notes after]
Pdf p.160
No. 548 William Hood, Dke of Wellington, on board, 2 March 1835, Mary Hood, 42 Granby St, Devonport, Sole Wife & Ex’r, 9 April 1835, Ex’r JI, Case 533/1865
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4L4-FXR?i=227&wc=MLVD-L23%3A165411201%2C165411202%2C165412401%3Fcc%3D1840743&cc=1840743
In ratio of normal generation of families father to son ages seems right and there is nothing to say George Hood d 1845 Selby father was a mariner either. ( The John Hood b 1737 mariner of Selby always seems far too old to be George's dad anyway)
John Hood age 23 X Elizabeth Gibson age 21 marriage of intent bond allegation Dec 15th 1779 in Newcastle
Innkeepers, Maltsters, Brewers & Wood Keg/barrel makers all fit together at the back of a pub/inn them days.
George Hood son of John Hood 1st October 1786 Gateshead
Obscure George Hood suddenly shows up from nowhere or anywhere with no known history in Selby & takes over a bankrupt Cooper business of Richard Gibson 1811/12 Selby
George Hood age 28 (b 1787 age given by George himself ) x Sarah Russel married in Selby 1815
Thanks dobfarm
Been looking at other HOOD Gateshead events, around the time of this George Hood, October 1786 Gateshead Baptism:-
... Geo: S. of John Hood
Three Hood Baptisms at Gateshead apparently, are:-
Gateshead 1786 George Hood [matches our George Hood's age at his 1815 marriage]
Gateshead 1792 Sarah Hood, possible marriages 1811 Chester Le Street, or 1814 Newcastle to Thos Gibson.
Gateshead 1805 Eliza Hood, possible marriage 1826 Newcastle?
(Also found Eliza Hood, Ryton, Durham, baptism, 13 March 1805, but Durham is some distance South of Gateshead)
Thank you
Kind regards, Mark
EDIT: My suggestion is not going to work, because two other Gateshead events checked, don't share John Hood as father ...
Images 140 & 789:-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-Y8H?mode=g&i=91&owc=collection%2F1309819%2Fwaypoints&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Christenings in Oct'r 1792
7. Sarah, D. of Francis Hood
Gateshead Burials 1810
1st Oct, Rebecca Hood buried age 23, [birth about 1787], daughter of Francis Hood.
Both were daughters of Francis Hood
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John Hood age 23 X Elizabeth Gibson age 21 marriage of intent bond allegation Dec 15th 1779 in Newcastle Occupation Mar = mariner
Got to find John Hood baptism 1756
Only one coming up.
John Hood son of John & Mary Hood
baptism, 13 March 1757
WASHINGTON, DURHAM, ENGLAND (next parish to Sunderland)
Elizabeth Gibson daughter of John & Mary Gibson
baptism 25 March 1759
SUNDERLAND, DURHAM, ENGLAND
also
Elizabeth Gibson Daughter of Thomas Gibson
Baptism 5 August 1759
ALL SAINTS, NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE, NORTHUMBERLAND, ENGLAND
residence: Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
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Need if possible to find more on Richard Gibson the Cooper Selby
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dobfarm, please can you find the 1792 & 1805 links to the GATESHEAD Baptism images for these other Hood baptisms at Gateshead please?
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When I get a bit of spare time as could be a long job as images are one page at a time flip over -no index on familysearch original BT images.
Edited
By 1805 Gateshead parish are part dades records (sods law for 1786 George)
Sarah Hood daughter of Francis Hood 7th Oct 1792
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-R7G?i=139&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Cant find Eliz Hood baptisn 1805 Gateshead------------------Could be Eliz Hood birth year 1805 and baptised say upto 1808
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-GYS?i=483&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCQ9-1SM?i=503&wc=9K5S-PTL%3A13618101%2C24866801%2C24866802%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
Either pay £1.50 to find out a date in link below
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php
Or advance year by year from 1805 baptisms in above link looking a birth years 1805
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dobfarm, please can you find the 1792 & 1805 links to the GATESHEAD Baptism images for these other Hood baptisms at Gateshead please?
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When I get a bit of spare time as could be a long job as images are one page at a time flip over -no index on familysearch original BT images.
Hello dobfarm
I have found two of the other Gateshead images and Francis Hood was their father, so my suggestion (thinking that John Hood was their father and therefore they were siblings of George bapt 1786) and that there might be a later sideways link to George Hood, was wrong.
Found the John Hood = Elis Gibson December 1779 Marriage in the All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne BT (attached).
Thank you
Regards Mark
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dobfarm, please can you find the 1792 & 1805 links to the GATESHEAD Baptism images for these other Hood baptisms at Gateshead please?
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When I get a bit of spare time as could be a long job as images are one page at a time flip over -no index on familysearch original BT images.
Hello dobfarm
I have found two of the other Gateshead images and Francis Hood was their father, so my suggestion (thinking that John Hood was their father and therefore they were siblings of George bapt 1786) and that there might be a later sideways link to George Hood, was wrong.
Found the John Hood = Elis Gibson December 1779 Marriage in the All Saints Newcastle upon Tyne BT (attached).
Thank you
Regards Mark
Well John Hood 1779 marriage to Elizabeth Gibson was a mariner and no doubt could have sailed to Selby
(Not Selby John Hood b 1737 mariner husband of Jane )
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4L4-FXR?i=227&wc=MLVD-L23%3A165411201%2C165411202%2C165412401%3Fcc%3D1840743&cc=1840743
What is so interesting is this John Hood of marriage 1779 to Elizabeth Gibson is his age b 1756 is just right to be George Hood d 1845 father
James Hood & Sarah Arundel sending time in Sunderland also interesting
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Hello dobfarm and All
Thank you. A brief Timeline, for John Hood & Newcastle - Gateshead area ...
December 1779
John Hood, Mariner = Elis Gibson December 1779 Marriage at All Saints Church, Newcastle upon Tyne
16 November 1782
"Mary" is brought back from Inverness, by Hood (Arrival Shields)
November 1782
John Hood, Master at Newcastle Quay with the MARY of Inverness - For Auction 19th November
October 1786 at St Mary's Gateshead
Baptism
Geo: S. of John Hood
1787
On page 3 of this thread, image of 1787 Gateshead Directory John Hood, publican, Ship, South-shore
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.18
Hopefully, possibly all the same John Hood, sounds like any Victualler/Publican and Mariner archives for Newcastle/Gateshead, a must see, for me.
12th May 1787. Also got a farm To Let, presently occupied by John Hood, Tenant of the Farm at Shotton, near Paston, in Northumberland. Particulars from a Mr Heron, Clavering Place, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Regards Mark
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Further to my last post above.
Attachment of ...
16 November 1782
"Mary" is brought back from Inverness by Hood (Arrival Shields)
It seems the "Mary" was plying the Inverness route and possibly why she was called the MARY of Inverness lying at Newcastle Quay for the 19th November 1782 Auction.
I'll have a look on Scotlands People later.
Regards Mark
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Last night I was watching a programme about trains, presented by the historians who did the 'life on the farms in different centuries).
Last night TV programme, they looked at repairing barrels and more important the work of the cooper was partly involved in the brewing or the ageing (or aging ?) of Whiskey or other brewing liquids was done by firing to char the barrel and timing the barrel age for smell - meaning one could not repair with new strips of new wood it had to be recycled from similar aged old broken barrels.
Thus cooper work aging the making brews was a brewing skill. Small Brewers/Innkeeper/Copper (One job or group of skilled workers of each trade in one backstreet concern business) behind a pub inn was common.
Skill of ageing stuff!! Brews/wine/cheese or timing in Tanning leather in baths is years.
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Hello dobfarm and All
Fortunately, we turned over and saw the barrel making and whisky distillery, to the end.
Great shame Richard Gibson's (Cooper Dealer and Chapman), 1807 Bankruptcy file (Guildhall, London) was it seems destroyed!
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/2?_st=adv&_ep=Gibson&_cr1=B&_dss=range&_sd=1700&_ed=1840&_ro=any&_hb=tna
For 1807, there was a William Hogarth Gibson of 3 Saville Row, Walworth, Surrey, Warehouseman, in TNA, Kew, Cat reference B
Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, Grocer (Dealer and Chapman) but 1830 (too late), in Cat reference B
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Got the 5 vol. on pdfs - sadly not 'Ctrl F' searchable (2 vols downloaded are and I have Hoods listed). Plenty of Gibsons and several Hoods in London, in various trading businesses.
Rather than put the County places together, the Directories have spread Yorkshire places, over the whole set, but NO Hood listed for Selby.
Just thought, I'll look out Newcastle, Gateshead and Bishopwearmouth/Sunderland and see what Hoods are listed.
Whitehead's Newcastle Directory 1787, printed by T. Angus
The other 1787 Directory for Newcastle list:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.
[possibly Anthony Hood & Co., Newcastle, connected?]
https://archive.org/stream/bordererstablebo05richiala
Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.
South Bishopwearmouth / Sunderland
The Sunderland area, was where James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood (34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland 25 September 1863), before the birth of their next child at Selby.
Regards Mark
Anthony Hood was the inventor of a certain machine drive belt (can't find the patent), but found this ...
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit, p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."
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1791 Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.
Sounds like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.
Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA
Simpson and Blackett, Fitters
Mark
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Interesting stuff your last posts
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6034198#msg6034198
Richard Gibson age ? cooper Wren lane Selby 1800 (mountain book) suggest R Gibson was older than George Hood d 1845 by at least 10 years
Have you checked how far R Gibson goes back in land tax ? Selby or near parishes (and other side of the river).
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A long shot Blandford Street,
When your in the library again check 1861c for any Hood's, Arundal's, Russel's (Russell's) or Gibson's in houses in Blandford Street, Adjoining streets and backstreets behind Blandford Street backgardens or yards
# From Goughy's post
In 1861 living at 34 Blandford Street were a David (born 1831) and Dinah Rankin. Both born Sunderland. Occ Master Carpenter. Also in building was a John P (Occ Draper) and Catherine McGregor
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Hello dobfarm and All
Fortunately, we turned over and saw the barrel making and whisky distillery, to the end.
Great shame Richard Gibson's (Cooper Dealer and Chapman), 1807 Bankruptcy file (Guildhall, London) was it seems destroyed!
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/2?_st=adv&_ep=Gibson&_cr1=B&_dss=range&_sd=1700&_ed=1840&_ro=any&_hb=tna
For 1807, there was a William Hogarth Gibson of 3 Saville Row, Walworth, Surrey, Warehouseman, in TNA, Kew, Cat reference B
Richard Gibson of Great Surrey Street, Southwark, Surrey, Grocer (Dealer and Chapman) but 1830 (too late), in Cat reference B
1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Got the 5 vol. on pdfs - sadly not 'Ctrl F' searchable (2 vols downloaded are and I have Hoods listed). Plenty of Gibsons and several Hoods in London, in various trading businesses.
Rather than put the County places together, the Directories have spread Yorkshire places, over the whole set, but NO Hood listed for Selby.
Just thought, I'll look out Newcastle, Gateshead and Bishopwearmouth/Sunderland and see what Hoods are listed.
Whitehead's Newcastle Directory 1787, printed by T. Angus
The other 1787 Directory for Newcastle list:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.
[possibly Anthony Hood & Co., Newcastle, connected?]
https://archive.org/stream/bordererstablebo05richiala
Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.
South Bishopwearmouth / Sunderland
The Sunderland area, was where James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood (34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland 25 September 1863), before the birth of their next child at Selby.
Regards Mark
Anthony Hood was the inventor of a certain machine drive belt (can't find the patent), but found this ...
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit, p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."
You've got have a general interest story mention of Anthony in your tree -related or not. (Gold bullets these.) I'm waiting for Kirklees Hall priory Hood's turning up one day. :o
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Further to my last post above.
Attachment of ...
16 November 1782
"Mary" is brought back from Inverness by Hood (Arrival Shields)
It seems the "Mary" was plying the Inverness route and possibly why she was called the MARY of Inverness lying at Newcastle Quay for the 19th November 1782 Auction.
I'll have a look on Scotlands People later.
Regards Mark
Muster Roll Northern Ports Shields & C.
BT 98/130
Date 1779 - 1782
and
BT 98/131
Date 1781 - 1783
Both volumes inspected carefully, page by page for all the vessels called "Mary "
Not one of them called Mary had John Hood as Master, nor was John Hood crew on any of the Mary vessels listed!
So the Mary with Master John Hood, must have been from elsewhere.
Mark
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Hello
Where the crews were paid is unknown, but the MARY had just called at Shields, in mid November 1782, immediately before she was offered for Auction on 19 November 1782, with John Hood, Master, at Newcastle Quay. - Replies 43 & 44 for images.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.36
The "MARY" must either be from elsewhere, or the page was one of those destroyed in the BT 98 Series.
Custom files (on TNA Cat) for Newcastle ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=newcastle&_cr1=CUST&_dss=range&_sd=1779&_ed=1782&_ro=any&_hb=tna
I wondered if anyone has seen any of the above CUST (Customs) files and do they contain any Masters of vessels and crews, please?
Thank you,
Regards Mark
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Hello
Despite Opt Character Recognition difficulties, we have found vessels sailing to and from Hull by a Master HOOD, who according to a 1780 document description and also a Lloyds Register late 1789, there was a "J. Hood" sailing from Hull to London and later to St Petersburg [Russia].
The Hull shipping company of J. Hood, Master of the Bedale were Messrs Burton & Taylor, in Hull (1780) found by dobfarm
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5952833#msg5952833
John Hood has appeared in a Vessels List of 1778 (featured first post in this thread) and these same Agents at various places in this other 1778 advert, are also linked to shipping company Burton and Taylor, Hull, about this time.
Burton and Taylor, in Hull, stated in 1778 that vessels from London would be routed up the Aire & Calder Navigation from Haddlesey (now the Selby Canal I believe) to the Port at Selby, before going on to the destination Port of Hull. It appears Selby was most important on the Hull to London route and vice versa.
I'm hoping it is John Hood of Selby, Mariner and possibly also confirming why he moved from Scarborough and had a house at Selby from circa 1781 (confirmed in the earliest Selby Land Tax of 1781).
Later when "J. Hood" was Master on a Ship called Centurion in 1789 his shipping company were Hewson & Co. Hull.
Masters sailing to and from Hull, would also have paid into the Hull Trinity House Pension, so I'm hoping J. Hood will appear in the Hull Trinity House, Muster Rolls (from 1747) and other records at the Hull History Centre.
Trinity House, Hull, also had their own School from 1785 and they trained them to become Shipping Apprentices.
Hull Trinity House, even had an Adult, Navigation Evening School.
Mark
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Advert (summary) 21st September 1778 (In the initial post of this thread)
Mr William Martin in Wakefield;
Mr John Fisher in Leeds;
Mr William Brooke in Selby;
Mr Bowling in York;
Mr Thomas Lowther at Salter-Hebble near Halifax, have a list of Ships sailing to Messrs Perkins and Robinson, Wharfingers, at the Gun and Shot Wharfe, Southwark.
The Ships and Masters were:-
This Set of Ships Consist of
The York Union, Captain, John Jefferson.
Industry, Robert Jefferson.
Rippon, Philip Thompson.
Ouse, John Coulman.
Bedale, Richard Hinsleff.
Brothers, John Hood.
Nidd, Will. Stephenson.
Selby, Joseph Dean.
Rochdale, --------------------
Next year 1779, only find a John Hood sailing Liverpool:-
Goods Imported at the Port of Liverpool.
From the 1st to the 8th January.
In the Rebecca and Ann, John Hood, from Belfast.
Goods Imported at the Port of Liverpool.
From the 19th to the 26th March.
In the Rebecca and Ann, John Hood, from Waterford.
Of course the Liverpool sailings could another John Hood
According to the 6 February 1780 Letter from Burton & Taylor, Hull to William Martin, Wakefield, Aire and Calder Navigation correspondence, it does state, Bedale, J. Hood, arrived yesterday from London.
Re Hood in February 1780, also found the following:-
HULL, February 12,
Coasters Arrived. ...
; Bedale, Hood , Galeston, Stamford ;
19 March 1782 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, March 16.
COASTERS ARRIVED. Amity, Harrow ; Industry, Hood ; George, Woodhouse ; John and Mary, Jones, and Queen, Meggitt, from London. Henry, Walton, fr. Plymouth.
27th September 1785, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 22.
COASTERS ARRIVED. ... ; Industry, Hood, from London.
23rd May 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, May 20.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... for London.
22nd August 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, August 19.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... from London.
19th September 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 16.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Staniland ; ... from London.
Coasters Sailed. ... Halifax, Staniland, for London.
3rd October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 30.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Jane, Hood ; Adventure, Smeaton ; and Nottingham, Wilkinson, for London.
31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, October 28.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London.
26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.
Hood and also a Godmond are sailing in the Centurion from Hull to Petersburg and London to Petersburg 1788 onward.
Pdf which mentions Hull and Petersburg
http://www.eylhs.org.uk/dl/89/trade-and-shipping-of-eighteenth-century-hull
Stamford Mercury, 5th October 1787
The dock company at Hull, have agreed to form a new dock, spacious enough to contain sixty ships.
Sheffield Register … , 3rd May 1788
HULL
; Centurion, Hood ; … all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen-drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.
Stamford Mercury, 5th September 1788
HULL, Sept. 1.
Centurion, Hood, for Petersburgh, with woollendrapery, coton stuffs, earthenware, lead, &c. Cave, Jubb, for Riga, with earthenware.
Newcastle Courant, 27th September 1788
Sound List from the 6th to the 13th inst.
Ships & Captains From To Loading
Centurion, Hood Hull Petersburgh Goods
Eliza, Gallilee London Riga Ballast
Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 28 March 1789
SHIP NEWS.
HULL.
Arrived. ... Centurion, Hood ; ... all from London
Stamford Mercury, 28th August 1789
HULL, August 24.
Lvde, Birch ; Air Balloon, Metcalf ; Jane and Mary, Merchant ; Amity, Graham ; Henry, Strachan ; and Centurion, Hood, all from Petersburg, with deals, iron & c.
Newspaper images so far, Mark
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The Hood sailing in the "Industry" to and from Hull and London 1784 to 1787 was certainly John HOOD Born Scarborough. Abode Selby.
1785 Hull
A MUSTER ROLL of the INDUSTRY, John Hood from London.
Masters and Mens Names,
and Posts on Board. Age. Births. Abode.
Jno Hood, Mas'r 45 Scarbro Selby
Jno Ellerthorp, Mate 30 Rawcliff
Will'm Bullers, Seam'n 22 Thorne Selby
Rob't Lawson, Do. 21 Hembro' Do.
Rich'd Newton, Do. 28 Selby Do.
Thos Shackleton, Serv't 18 York Do.
(In other Musters it records Thos Shackleton)
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"Index to Payments"
"About 1783 to About 1803"
Industry ... John Hood, Jefferson, 30 July 1784 to 23 Nov 1787.
Industry ... Rich'd Maddrah, 15 August 1785 Index to Payments.
In the Hull and Beverley Directory of 1791 a Richard Maddrah had a vessel called Industry at Boroughbridge.
In an earlier 1778 newspaper list of vessels (initial post on this thread) a Robert Jefferson was sailing the Industry and John Hood sailing the Brothers.
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In the 1788 - 1790 Hull, Muster Rolls, John Hood was sailing a Ship called the "Centurion" to Petersburgh and in the 1789 to 1790 Muster Rolls and 1790 newspapers, voyages to Memell and Memel are stated.
Mark
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With John Hood aged 45 in 1785 born Scarborough - abode Selby depending on month he was born ? could be born 1739/1740
With John Hood burial Selby 1819 aged 82 depending on month he was born ? birth 1737/1738
John Hood bond Allegation to widow Elizabeth Lepington (nee Spencer) age put John Hood born 1738 if my memory serves me correct
Thus if you can link George Hood birth 1785 to 1787 to Maudland Turner nee Hood daughter of above John Hood
You got it.
Does not need to be a perfect fit - but just a family linking connection of Maudland & George ~ bearing in mind the lack of any other Hood's in Selby in your research time frame.
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Thanks dobfarm
John Hood's age goes up by one year (to 46 years in 1785) in the 'When Entered' date of 29 Dec'r 1785 Muster Roll, which also refers to a Discharge date of 11th February 1786, giving a Scarborough birth of circa 1739. There are two dates in each Muster Roll for him and John Hood has signed the Muster Rolls for the "Industry" according to these copy volumes.
Hull Trinity House, only released (originally to Hull University) records which take up 44 linear metres of shelving (mainly Muster Rolls & Accounts). All the remaining records of Trinity House are accessed through a paid research service, which goes toward their Charity.
Hull Trinity House definitely had its own School by c.1785, Apprentice Scheme, Welfare arrangement and a Navigation School (Navigation as you probably know was all mathematics & triangulation)
Now I have proof John Hood of Selby, Master Mariner was Pensioned with Hull Trinity House (originally an Ecclesiastical Charity?), I will write and see if John Hood & George Hood appear (as Father & Son, or Uncle & Nephew etc.) in their withheld records.
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I have heard that sometimes Mariners had their own Chapel and dealt with Grants & Wills of Mariners.
Many of the separate Trinity House London, records, were unintentionally destroyed (Fire) and then in the WW2 Blitz.
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Pension entitlement probably explains why John HOOD of Selby, Mariner, doesn't appear in Selby Poor Records and also his Tenement/House he Occupied (A House divided into two) had an Orchard Garden (in Millgate, Selby, January 1803 Deed Registration).
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Jeremiah HORD of Hull and likely elsewhere (Master Mariner, 1780s Muster Rolls & in the Hull Directory of 1791) was a party to the transfer of various properties in the East Riding, including Sculcoates property (1794) owned HORD "& e.al" (& et'al - HORD and Others) to WALTON.
I would have to pay for more hours research, to look up each of the numerous HOODs (listed in the Sellers Indexes 1774 to 1806 and Buyers Indexes starting 1828 to 1847) in the actual Property Registers.
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1845 James Goldie HOOD acquired from SHAW e.al (property location "Myton") Index says Volume GD, page 83, No. 81 (Registration details not known).
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Wm HOOD has transferred property at Middleton, to RAILTON 1775.
Rich:d HOOD has transferred property at Catwick, to RAILTON 1793/4.
Ric'd HOOD Jun'r & e al to HOOD & e al. at Catwick, 1794.
RAILTON is another surname, an actual family sibling of ours has later married into GRUBB, who descend from RAILTON.
Also one of the Hull, GRUBB Grandchildren of John Hood of Selby, Mariner, was George Wrayton / George Railton GRUBB, Mother TURNER (died 1 year old), carries RAILTON as a middle name.
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Maudland HOOD as Magdalin Turner / Maudlin Turner (nee HOOD) had two children baptised at Sculcoates 1797 & 1797 (Sculcoates adjoined Hull).
Mark
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Maybe time to concentrate on or recap your Maudland research
George if son or nephew of John Hood b 1738/39 Scarborough would share the same grandfather Hood (if not adopted) - so it the same route back in your ancestry.
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The Hood sailing in the "Industry" to and from Hull and London 1784 to 1787 was certainly John HOOD Born Scarborough. Abode Selby.
1785 Hull
A MUSTER ROLL of the INDUSTRY, John Hood from London.
Masters and Mens Names,
and Posts on Board. Age. Births. Abode.
Jno Hood, Mas'r 45 Scarbro Selby
Jno Ellerthorp, Mate 30 Rawcliff
Will'm Bullers, Seam'n 22 Thorne Selby
Rob't Lawson, Do. 21 Hembro' Do.
Rich'd Newton, Do. 28 Selby Do.
Thos Shackleton, Serv't 18 York Do.
(In other Musters it records Thos Shackleton)
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"Index to Payments"
"About 1783 to About 1803"
Industry ... John Hood, Jefferson, 30 July 1784 to 23 Nov 1787.
Mark
Hello
Thank you.
Somebody has written a lot about John Ellerthorpe, born Rawcliffe 1806, whose Father John Ellerthorpe was a Mariner. Possibly linked to John HOOD's "Mate"
https://sites.google.com/site/johnellerthorpeheroofthehumber/his-early-life
Quotes ...
"He was the son of another John Ellerthorpe, a keel owner who plied the Humber, Trent, Aire, Ouse and Don. John would often accompany his father on the long journeys between South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire and along the Humber to Hull.
John spent a lot of time in his infant years with his paternal grandmother who kept the Anchor public house in Rawcliffe."
My Grandmother mentioned Snaith.
I've just got to keep nibbling away, like a dog with a bone! To see if the new information goes anywhere.
Mark
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Hi, Mark
A picture is forming with dates and positives of this John Hood but must not forget the obvious dates and John's status widower at time of some dates
Possible marriages post 1775
Sarah Hammond 1778 widow London
Elizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle
George Hood bapt 1786 Gateshead son of John Hood (this John's only child baptised there & possible reason John was a sailor on the moved) did Ship Industry call there en-route to Russia
You have info now, that fits John Hood's birth year 1738/1739 Scarborough, residing Selby in time frame 1780 to 1819 (From death age 82 estimate born 1737/8) . - land tax info, now his maritime info, daughter Maudland Turners nee Hood's children's dades baptism info (Spencer Scarborough), John Hood marriage age born 1738 to Liz Spencer (Widow Leppington).
Liz Spencer (Hood died 1775 mother of Maudland Hood)
Sarah Hammond widow Bond Allegation to a John Hood widower of Scarborough 1778 in London
Elizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle ???
Jane Hood burial 1803 wife of John Hood a mariner Selby
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Hello
Thanks for the comment.
John Hood of Selby, Mariner
The Marriage Bondsman for John Hood and Elizabeth Spencer (Elizabeth Leppington, Widow) was John Jefferson.
John Jefferson of Scarborough County of York, mentioned here ... This John Jefferson might have died about 1765 (Will not seen).
John Jefferson & Sophia of Scarborough
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924018926851#page/n17/mode/2up/search/Jefferson
Page 3 & 4
"The above Named John Jefferson and Sophia his wife being both dead, Christopher Leah of Scarborough Boat Builder (by marrying one of his Daughters) and Elizabeth Jefferson Spinster, his other Daughter, are thereby become Intitled" sic ... Christopher Leah and Elizabeth Jefferson ... 30th January 1768
Robert Abbinson of Scarborough - Mortgage
Wm Stockdale was the Agent in 1746
Thos Stockdale was the Agent in 1768
Relates to the Policy issued in 1734.
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Spencer and Rowe - Scarborough
Robert SPENCER had married Catherine ROWE
One Son was called Hutton ROWE SPENCER, who was mentioned in the Will of Catherine SPENCER, Wife of Scarborough, Proved 1782.
I often wonder if John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough, who married Elizabeth SPENCER, was linked to the other John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, married Sarah Hammond and whose Bondsman was John ROE, by the Marriage alliance of ROWE = SPENCER.
Although spelling difference in ROE & ROWE, but that could be the person writing the 1778 Marriage Bond.
Mark
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Keep digging Mark as at last your finding good info in the right time period.
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1820s
SCULCOATES, a parish in the wapentake of Harthill, an ancient village, 1½ mile N. of Hull, on the west bank of the river Hull; and contained, not a century ago, only 100 inhabitants, but at present contains 10,449. The southern part of the parish adjoining the town of Hull, is now formed into extensive streets, since the formation of the dock in 1774, and cannot be distinguished by a stranger from the town of Hull, properly so called.
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Interesting that Mary RUSSEL the Mother of Sarah RUSSELL (who later married the mystery George HOOD, 1815 Selby) was in Sculcoates in 1805, especially as Sculcoates is North of Hull City Centre and a Parish within the Borough of Hull.
1805 Sculcoates
Thomas GOULDSBROUGH, Widower of the Parish of Selby in the Diocese of York and Mary RUSSEL Widow and of this Parish Married in this Church by Licence 11th February 1805.
Witnesses: Mary BURTON and Joseph BURTON (Thos Gouldsbrough & both wit's signed)
Vessel "York" 1783 Wm Russell, Seaman, aged 24, Born Selby, Abode Selby, & Benj'n Russell, Serv't, aged 22, Born Selby, Abode York, were in a Muster Roll, too.
I've got to see if anything else survives at Hull, to link John Hood, Master Mariner & George Hood, Cooper, or George to Maudland HOOD.
Mark
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By a known year of age of George Hood 1815 aged 28 years old marriage to Sarah Russel Selby.
Thus York to Selby to Hull all connected by the river Ouse by boats or inland ships and Knottingley
/Ferrybridge connected by canal from Goole (Large Aire/Calder navigation or the small narrow canal to Selby)
John Hood, his known daughter Mrs Maudland Turner and Russell's all buzzing about on the waterways above
A George Hood baptism (A port with Newcastle on the river Tyne - ) Gateshead 1786 son of John Hood ( a one off parish register event or only child ever baptised there by John Hood)
A George Hood Cooper Selby 1812 land tax and later years settles in Selby for his life time.
A George Hood 1813 Knottingley land tax (another one off event)
1805 to 1812 George Hood would 18 years old in 1805 and 25 years old in 1812
1807 George aged 20 now coming out of his apprentice time as a skilled cooper
1807 Richard Gibson cooper to 1811/12 in some financial a mess.
1812 George aged 25 now a young man established in Wren lane in Selby from R Gibson as a cooper.
Miss Sarah Russel a Straw hat maker
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1736
George Hood, Master of the Providence of Scarborough, sailing from Rotterdam to Leith.
"Leith lies to the north of Edinburgh on the southern shore of the Firth of Forth."
1758
Fulvie the Privateer took The Providence, of Scarborough, Robert Lumley, Master, into Dunkirk and a 300 Guineas Ransom was demanded. The ship owner was Wm Garbett.
1747
Michael Hood, Master, 37, Born Barrow, Abode Morton, sailing the "Satisfaction", Hull to London.
Rob Franklin, Mate, 47, Born Barrow, Abode Hull.
John Wells, Sailor, 25, Born Stockw: , Abode Hull.
Wm Goodyear, Sailor, 21, Born Grenley, Abode Stockwith.
John Naylor, Sailor, 19, Born Hatfield, Abode Stockw: .
Jo: Fillingham, Sailor, 15, Born Crasloon[?], Abode Stockw: .
Tho Smith, Sailor, 30, Born Epworth, Abode Stockw: .
[sic]
Mark
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According to Lloyds Register the Industry, John Hood [of Selby] 1781 ; 1782 & 1783 was also sailing HL Narva [Hull to Narva], besides London.
Although one Hull Muster Roll says Hull to London, the same Roll also states 14 Voyages 1781 to 1784, for John Hood, Master Mariner, Born Scarborough, Abode Selby and signed John Jefferson for John Hood.
John Jefferson of Scarborough, Mariner, was also John Hood's Marriage Bondsman at Scarborough in 1763, when John Hood, Mariner, married Elizabeth Leppington, Widow (nee Elizabeth Spencer).
The Port of Narva, Russia, is apparently near the Russian border with Estonia.
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In 1777 Two Brothers, J. Hood was also sailing Hull to Dublin.
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John Hood could of picked his "Jane Hood" up from anywhere and her name could even of been anglicised.
Mark
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City of London, Guildhall Library's - Lloyd's List, Maritime News (1740 to 1790 HOOD search)
[NOTE: This does not appear to be a complete List of HOOD Masters & Vessels, mentioned]
HOOD, [no vessel name], published 28th July 1741,
Stockholm --------- Arrived from
-------, Hood Lynn
HOOD, Henrietta, London Marseilles, published 14th March 1748
HOOD, Lark, 13th February 1749, The Lark, Hood, from London for Virginia, is put into Scilly, all well.
HOOD, St. Andrew, 29th September 1752, Capt. Colquhun, ... August the 1st ... on the 11th ditto spoke with the St. Andrew, Hood, from Rotterdam for Philadelphia, in Lat. 45 N. ...
HOOD, Minerva, 6th February 1761, Frigate.
HOOD, Minerva, 10th February 1761, Man of War.
HOOD, Indian Queen, 23rd August 1763, Capt, Curling of the Earl of Effingham, ... spoke on the 8th Inst. with the Indian Queen, Hood, from Leverpool[sic] for Newfoundland, in Lat. 45-18N. Longit. 35 W. ... .
HOOD, Lydia, 26th May 1772, The Lydia, Hood, from London, was lost in going into Boston.
HOOD, Commodore, 15th December 1780. The Commodore, Hood, --------, is retaken by the Hydra Man of War, and carried into Cork.
HOOD, Phoenix, 29th May 1781, The Phoenix, Hood, from Cromarty to London, was taken near Aberdeen, and ransomed for 350 Guineas.
HOOD, Industry, 20th July 1781, Industry, Hood.
[John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough, per Hull Muster Rolls].
HOOD, Industry, 28th September 1781,
Esinore-Arrived from
11 Sept. Industry, Hood Narva.
[Industry, John Hood, sailing Hull Narva, vessel surveyed Hull - Lloyds Register, 1781]
HOOD, Centurion, published 14th October 1788,
Petersburg ------- arrived from
Centurion, Hood Hull
[Lloyds Register 1789 - J. Hood, surveyed Scarborough. Hewson & Co. / Hull Muster Rolls - Master John Hood, Selby]
HOOD, Hector, 4th November 1788, Captain Dobson, of the Esther, from Cadiz, on the 30th spoke the Hector, Hood, of Cork, from Madeira, in Lat. 36 4 N. Long. 12 30 W. [sic]
HOOD, Hebe, 8th June 1790,
Victory 100 Guns Ad.Hood
Hebe 38 Guns Hood
HOOD Admiral, Victory, 8th June 1790, Ship of War 110 Guns.
Got the link from here ...
http://www.ukgdl.org.uk/county/inverness_shire/ships_passengers
'Maritime News' in Lloyd's List (1781) is online
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015004281559;view=1up;seq=5
Interested in any HOOD (Master), sailing to and from the Ports of Leith (Edinburgh) / Rotterdam / Scarborough 1720s onward; 1780 -1800 North Shields, Tynemouth Newcastle upon Tyne, Inverness; to and from Scarborough, Hull - London, Hull - Narva (Russia), Hull - Petersburgh (Russia) and Hull - Memel. Possibly Hull - Riga.
Mark
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Some more Master Hood, sailings linked with Hull.
Public Ledger and Daily Advertiser, 18th January 1814
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE
ARRIVED- ... At Revel, Bell, Hood, from Hull.
Tyne Mercury, Northumberland and Durham and Cumberland Gazette, 25th April 1820
MARINE NEWS
NEWCASTLE. Arrived coastwise- Elbs, Buckton ; and Perseverance, Hood, from Hull ; ...
Mark
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I realise this "Captain James Hood of the Sloop Lizard of Inverness" (died 1819) is likely unrelated to my Hood, but was interested due to what I have discovered about him, James Hood Married to Ann Hood but having no Contract of Marriage, where his money was and his vessel connections to more than one place.
Lloyds Register of 1818 summarised - Lizard, J. Hood, Berwick, Inverness Co, Lh Inverness.
Lh = Leith (1818 Abbreviations - Lloyds Register)
I may have made a mistake previously regarding the Survey Port of the vessels, it seems in this 1818 Register the Survey Port was the abbreviated place in Column 8, Lh = Leith.
Very Summary Notes of the Testament Dative and Inventory of the Ross Commissary Court
... "Captain James Hood of the Sloop Lizard of Inverness" who died 1819. Thomas Bain Farmer [place unrecognised] only accepting Trustee nominated by James Hood ... Deed of Settlement executed by him at Cromarty 2nd September 1819 ...
Inventory
Household items worth £28, 14 shillings.
Item £(amount stated) receipted and held by the Governor and Company of the Bank of Scotland, granted by Alexander Anderson Esq'r their Agent at Inverness [?] [word / abbreviation after Inverness not recognised]
I James Hood Shipmaster in Cromarty and I Anne Hood Spouse of the said James Hood ...
been no Contract of Marriage Entered into by us, and no children procreated of the Marriage between us ...
reference to the preventing of disputes ...
... Spouse ... liferent use only ...
... and to John Hood my Brother ...
... several pages ... other names ...
... another (2nd?) Trustee named ...
... witnesses (named) ...
... reference to James Thomson Merchant in Cromarty ...
Grave at East Church, Cromarty
James Hood late Shipmaster in Cromarty who Departed this life 6th Nov'r 1819 aged 51 years this Stone is Placed Here to his memory by his Spouse Ann Watson
Also interred here the remains of ANN WATSON spouse to Ja Hood she departed this life the 2nd May 1827 aged 61 years
142.0 S
General Observations
I was particularly fascinated, because the Captain and Vessel has connections with four places (before he has sailed anywhere):-
James Hood Shipmaster of Cromarty, but his vessel was of Inverness
James Hood had a spouse, but never married her
Seems a Testamentary Dative was no Will, but left a Deed of Settlement
His Agent at Inverness placed a large of sum of money with the Bank (added to the Inventory) just before his death
Lloyds Register suggests his Vessel was surveyed Lh [Leith] and a connection with Inverness Co.
The Vessel had some connection with the Port of Berwick about 1817-1818.
Mark
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I have been looking for Thomas Hewson of Hull, who signed the Muster Rolls for John Hood of the Centurion 1788 to 1790.
A recap on the Muster Rolls
Muster Rolls - Copied into Volumes by Trinity House, Hull 1784 to 1790
These give Ages, Place of Birth and Abode.
John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Scarborough
According to all the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Industry" to and from London 1781 - 1786 was born Scarbro' about 1740 and his Abode was recorded as either Hull or Selby until 1786.
John Jefferson has also signed some of these Muster Rolls for Master, John Hood.
John Jefferson, Mariner was John Hood's Marriage Bondsman in 1763 at Scarborough.
John HOOD, Master Mariner, of the Centurion
According to the Muster Rolls when John Hood was Master of the "Centurion" sailing to and from Petersburgh and elsewhere 1788 to 1790, the Rolls were signed by Thos Hewson and not by John Hood personally and Thos Hewson has entered born Selby in the first Roll (these age ranges give birth about 1739 to 1743) and his Abode was Hull (April 1788 & 1790) and Selby (Sept. 1788).
I suspect the birthplace of John HOOD, Master of the "Centurion" born Selby, was an error by Thos Hewson, when comparing it with Selby Parish Register and the earlier Muster Rolls of the Industry where John Hood had signed the originals personally and entered born Scarbro'.
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Thomas Hewson
According to adverts in the Hull newspaper they were known as Hewson & Co. Thomas Hewson died 1812.
Stamford Mercury, 14th February 1812
Last week, at York, aged 77, Mr. Hewson, father to Mr. George Hewson, wharfinger, of Hull.
Stamford Mercury, 11th September 1812
STANLEY's HULL AND LOUTH TRADERS
... and that every facility and accomodation will continue to be afforded, as well in the loading and unloading as in the care and preservation of goods, at the wharf of G. Hewson and Co. Hull, and my wharf at the River Head, Louth, where my vessels will be constantly and regularly laid for receiving ...
Louth, 7th Sept. 1812. John Stanley
Newspaper reference to the Will of Thomas Hewson of York, formerly of Hull
Hull Advertiser and Exchange Gazette, 6th March 1813
We understand that the trustees under the will of Mr. Thomas Hewson, of York, and formerly of this place, have paid into the hands of the Treasurer to the General Infirmary 100l. being a legacy left to that charity. Also to the Mayor and Burgesses, 100l. the interest of which is to be laid out in bread, and divided among the poor of the two parishes of the town, at the discretion of the Ministers and Churchwardens.
Mark
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Looks like, I have been looking at the wrong John Jefferson deaths.
In my Reply #65 John Jefferson (according to Lloyds Register 1781 to 1783) appears to be the owner of Industry, that John Hood of Selby (born Scarborough), was Master of. (See also Hull Trinity House, Muster Rolls to confirm the link).
Claire has found that this John Jefferson of York, Gentleman, who died between 11th September 1804 & 15th December 1804 when the Will was first Proved at York, had shares in Ships and Vessels.
PCC Will of John Jefferson, Gentleman of York, Yorkshire
9th January 1805
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D373004
John Jefferson's Trustees were:-
John Brook, City of York, Gent,
Jefferson's Son John Jefferson and
Richard Jefferson.
Interesting that a William Brooks (newspaper 19th November 1776 under Hull) was Master of a Vessel called Industry.
Also that a William Brooke at Selby had got a set of Ships together in 1778 which listed the Captains both John Hood and John Jefferson and several of the named Vessels were linked to both Masters J. Jefferson & J. Hood, sailing to and from Hull, according to newspapers.
So I am hoping John Jefferson (Will Proved 1804/1805) is, or will turn out to be linked to John Jefferson of the Industry, whose Master circa 1781 to 1786 was John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough.
Mark
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1736
George Hood, Master of the Providence of Scarborough, sailing from Rotterdam to Leith.
"Leith lies to the north of Edinburgh on the southern shore of the Firth of Forth."
1758
Fulvie the Privateer took The Providence, of Scarborough, Robert Lumley, Master, into Dunkirk and a 300 Guineas Ransom was demanded. The ship owner was Wm Garbett.
1747
Michael Hood, Master, 37, Born Barrow, Abode Morton, sailing the "Satisfaction", Hull to London.
Rob Franklin, Mate, 47, Born Barrow, Abode Hull.
John Wells, Sailor, 25, Born Stockw: , Abode Hull.
Wm Goodyear, Sailor, 21, Born Grenley, Abode Stockwith.
John Naylor, Sailor, 19, Born Hatfield, Abode Stockw: .
Jo: Fillingham, Sailor, 15, Born Crasloon[?], Abode Stockw: .
Tho Smith, Sailor, 30, Born Epworth, Abode Stockw: .
[sic]
Mark
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Providence, Owner Hood - Lloyds Register 1764 to 1766 - marked "Lost"
According to Lloyds Register covering the years 1764 to 1766, a 300 ton Vessel called "Providence" ; Master J. Dyden; Port - Lond. ; To Port - Greenland ; Owner HOOD out ; 1764 EM ; 1765 EM ; 1766 out ; is reported as "Lost".
I would have posted a column title & relevant strip, but it has Images © Lloyd’s Register Group Limited, 2016., but you can view the 1764 to 1766 Lloyds Register here and then by clicking on P (Vessel, Providence).
http://www.lrfoundation.org.uk/public_education/reference-library/1764-register-book/
The Providence, of Scarborough, Owner Wm Garbett (1758)
The Providence, of Scarborough had been owned by William Garbett / William Garbutt in 1758 when a 300 Guineas ransom was demanded for her.
Garbutt ; Esthill & Huntriss Graves at Scarborough
William Garbutt, Mariner, of Scarborough died 1763 and Garbutts have Table Tomb Graves at Scarborough St Mary's. Next Graves are Table Tomb of George Estill and two George Estels (all dying in the 1750s) and Table Tomb of Joseph Huntress & Elizabeth Huntriss (dying 1786 & 1805).
It was claimed that Garbutt of Scarborough was originally a Quaker in the 17th Century.
With those surnames Esthill and Huntriss we are in familiar territory with discussions on the Richard Hood of Catton and another Hood Board, mentioning John Hood a Wedding guest at the Quaker Wedings of Benjamin Peacock marrying Martha Esthill, and Edmund Belton marrying Eliz. Esthill, in 1777.
Susanah Hood & Jo Huntriss witnesses here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752071.msg6215144#msg6215144
Ann Hood, Widow, Hull, 1799 Will
According to the Will Ann Hood, (Houde of Morton) late of Morton, Gainsborough, she mentions Garbutt.
Research suggests Ann Hudson had married Michael Hood at Barrow upon Humber 31st January 1744, who was a Mariner (baptised 1710, Age calculated from Hull Muster Rolls), so he might have acquired the Providence?
1741 Garbutt & Huntriss, Marriage
Seems there was a Garbutt & Huntriss link. William Garbutt married Elizabeth Huntriss at Scarborough October 1741. Not seen document/s (Garbutt, aged 22 & Huntriss, aged 21).
Hoping all this will lead me to some more information about the 18th Century Hood Mariners including George Hood of Scarborough, Mariner and a possible tie up to George Hood of Selby?
Mark
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John Clarkson to George Hood of Selby and Clarkson to Garbutt Links
Following on from the last post, there is a tenuous link to George Hood of Selby, who acquired the Selby property of John Clarkson, a Farmer of Newport, in the Parish of Eastrington in May 1833.
Clarkson & Garbutt Marriage
Found the following, a marriage link CLARKSON to GARBUTT and business link to STANILAND [the surname GARBUTT is known to have other HOOD links] ...
York Herald, 30th July 1825
On Wednesday week, at Eastrington, near Howden, Mr. S. A. Garbut, (of the firm of Staniland and Garbutt, silk mercers, of Hull) to Mary, eldest daughter of Mr John Clarkson, farmer and miller, of Newport.
Gazette Notice of 1831
Gazette Notice of 1831 - Staniland and Garbutt, Silk Mercers and Drapers at the Town of Kingston upon Hull being dissolved, dated 31st December 1830.
Joseph S. STANILAND.
Saml. A. GARBUTT.
Hood from Hull was Sailing Staniland's Jane
In 1786 between the Vessels Industry and Centurion upon which John Hood of Selby was Master, a Hood from Hull (likely John Hood) was sailing the Jane a few times to and from Hull.
In the Hull Payments Book from 1786 to 1791 for vessel Jane it has Jonath'n Staniland and Thos Staniland.
In 1789 a newspaper says that the Master of Jane, was Thomas Staniland (previously in 1786 Hood was also a Master), noticed that Staniland was calling at places in Lincolnshire.
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Got a feeling the Stanilands of Thorne, owned several vessels.
Mark
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I have traced the owner of John Hood's vessel (sailing 1781 to 1786/7) called the Industry a Coaster / Sloop used in the Hull Trade and it was owned by John DEAN of Gainsborough / Gainsburgh, Lincolnshire.
When the Sloops were put up for sale in February 1788, after John Dean's Death Notice at Gainsborough in December 1787, the DEAN family also put Dwelling Houses (one occupied by a Dennis COOKE) and the Gainsborough Calvinist Meeting House up for sale as well.
Calvinists apparently were Protestant.
There are claims some Calvinists wouldn't marry in a C of E Church and those Calvinists must have settled for living together with no Registered Contract of Marriage?
The Hull Muster Rolls indicate John DEAN was born Nottingham.
Claire has found Richard DEAN baptising:- John; Martha; Rebecca and Jane DEAN, in the Independent Chapel, Nottingham and possibly Joseph Dean's burial, Gainsborough.
John HOOD & Martha DEAN, Banns, Scarborough - 1781
The above is most interesting as I noticed in 1781 John HOOD and Martha DEAN published Marriage Banns at Scarborough St. Mary's (Rootschatters mentioned these Banns before), but looking at the corresponding Marriage Register, the marriage of John HOOD & Martha DEAN is absent.
It is difficult to find any more about Martha Dean and what happened to her and who Jane Hood of Selby was when buried in 1803 (Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner)? So I am trying a Dean Will (Lincs) and will let you know.
Martha Dean could be the Sister of the Owner of John Hood's vessel Industry.
Be interested to know if Dennis Cooke was related to the Deans? He was a Master of a Sloop too, up for sale.
Mark
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Hello
Looking into Dennis Cook living in one of John Dean's houses at Gainsborough and a Master of the Nancy in the Newcastle Trade, February 1788 advert and 1789 Gainsborough Ship News, above.
Dennis Cooke of Gainsborough and Thorne
Died April 1803 and listed in The Gentleman's Magazine and Lincs, Yorks, Northumberland & Carlisle newspapers
At Gainsborough, Capt. Dennis Cooke, of the Perseverance Newcastle trader.
Gainsborough All Saints, Burial Register, April 1803, Dennis Cooke, Mariner A: 44.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ot_PAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA483&lpg=PA483&dq=Dennis+Cooke+of+Gainsborough&source=bl&ots=VixbtVpclO&sig=6kp20Pse__Se3ZXQNd143BCqjiA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCw7_8ztHdAhWDErwKHYEPC0sQ6AEwDXoECAcQAQ
All Saints, Gainsborough, 29th April 1784
Dennis Cooke married Mary Porter
Dennis signed as Dennis Cook
Marriage says Dennis Cooke was a Mariner of Thorne, Yorkshire.
Wits Rebekah King and Catharine Hasdell
Dennis Cooke was possibly the Son of Nicholas Cooke of Thorne?
Bapt. 9th May 1759
Mark
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Hello
Dean's vessel the "Countess of Scarborough" calls at Selby.
Countess of Scarborough
York and Gainsborough Steam Packet
Conveyance and Goods and Passengers to and from York, Selby, and Gainsborough, and all places adjacent to the rivers Trent and Ouse.
...
Particulars of Freight, &c. may be known on application to
Henry Mills and Son, Wharfingers, York.
Dean & Beaumont, Wharfingers, Gainsboro'
Gainsborough, Oct. 11, 1820.
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ADDED, regarding 'Dean and Beaumont' (and for anyone researching George Beaumont of Gainsborough)
Stamford Mercury, 14th November 1817
On the 5th inst. at Gainsboro', much respected, in the 58th year of his age, Mr Beaumont, of the firm of Dean and Beaumont, Wharfingers.
Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, All Saints Parish Records - Burials 1817 (p.79), currently image 46 on Lincs to the Past, says
No.626. George Beaumont, Wharfinger. Abode, Double Row. When Buried, 9th November. Age, 58. performed by James Fothergill, Vicar.
Claire mentioned, George Beaumont married Anna Calcraft, by Licence 1803.
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A Joseph Dean, Wharfinger of Lincolnshire, married Mary Page, at Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire, 28th (Licence) & 29th December 1788 (Claire & Family Search)
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Calcraft - Dean - Arundel - Marriage links
Hull Packet, 15th October 1805
On the 29th ult. at Gainsborough Church, Mr Joshua Arundel, officer of excise, to Mrs Dean, youngest daughter of Mr John Calcraft, supervisor, of that place.
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Hull Packet, 30 May 1815
On Thursday the 18th, at Gainsbro', Mr Johnson, jun. draper, to Miss Hagleby, daughter of Mr Hagleby, farmer, of West Butterwick ; - also, Mr Dean, Wharfinger, to Miss Parkinson, daughter of the late Mr Parkinson, farmer.
Claire has given me this one ... John Dean, merchant to Sarah Parkinson by Licence, witnessed by Wm Ashbon & Mary Ann Bristow. 18th May 1815
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January 1788
Joseph Collyer jun'r Hatmaker of 229 Bermondsey Street, Southwark, insured the premises adjoining the River Trent at Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, occupied John Dean, Wharfinger.
Collyer also shows up in the newspaper, when the premises occupied by Mr Dean were offered For Sale.
Mark
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Hello
Looking into Dennis Cook living in one of John Dean's houses at Gainsboroughand a Master of the Nancy in the Newcastle Trade, February 1788 advert and 1789 Gainsborough Ship News, above.
Dennis Cooke of Gainsborough and Thorne
Died April 1803 and listed in The Gentleman's Magazine and Lincs, Yorks, Northumberland & Carlisle newspapers
At Gainsborough, Capt. Dennis Cooke, of the Perseverance Newcastle trader.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ot_PAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA483&lpg=PA483&dq=Dennis+Cooke+of+Gainsborough&source=bl&ots=VixbtVpclO&sig=6kp20Pse__Se3ZXQNd143BCqjiA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCw7_8ztHdAhWDErwKHYEPC0sQ6AEwDXoECAcQAQ
All Saints, Gainsborough, 29th April 1784
Dennis Cooke married Mary Porter
Dennis signed as Dennis Cook
Marriage says Dennis Cooke was a Mariner of Thorne, Yorkshire.
Wits Rebekah King and Catharine Hasdell
Dennis Cooke was possibly the Son of Nicholas Cooke of Thorne?
Bapt. 9th May 1759
Mark
Hi Mark,
From your post #72 bottom image Gainsborough ship news date 18th June 1789
Ships leaving Gainsborough
Frendship-Henry Sinclair for London
Nancy - Denis Cook for Newcastle
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm, Dennis Cooke sailing from Gainsborough, to and from Newcastle has certainly not gone unnoticed.
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First, I have to concentrate on John Hood of Selby (older than John Hood, Mariner, aged 23 years when he married Elizabeth Gibson aged 21 years, at Newcastle upon Tyne in December 1779).
Because the HULL Muster Rolls (extract, featured page 7) confirm the Master of the Industry was John Hood, Born Scarbro' and Abode Selby.
When John Dean of Gainsborough died December 1787, his Son and Heir Joseph Dean (Son also confirmed, several newspaper notices) put the Industry up for sale in 1788, he confirmed the Industry was in the "Hull Trade".
So the owner of the Industry sailed earlier by John Hood of Selby, Mariner, from Hull was John Dean in 1787.
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This is also why the August 1781 Scarborough St Mary's Banns (no marriage), of a John Hood & Martha Dean are of interest.
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Joseph Dean left a Will and I'm awaiting a copy with great interest, about 2 weeks waiting time, left.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Ingredients in this cake! of these ship owners and captains fit a lot of your data.
Dennis (Denis) Cook link with ? or was ? a Newcastle (Trader)
'Cook' that surname connection to George Hood of Selby you have long looked for.
As I said before.
"If the "industry' ship took the morning tide on the 30th Sept 1786 from Hull, called at Newcastle/Gateshead first en-route London that could have put John Hood on the river Tyne on the 1st October 1786
Scenario
If Martha Dean being Mrs John Hood the boat owners daughter and could be a reason she sailed on board with her baby son George Hood who was baptised 1786.
Scenario 2
Martha Dean (Mrs Hood) maybe was working in connection to the family Dean's Cook docking office (as an agent for the group of boat/ship firm owners) in Gateshead"
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm
My quote from last year regarding Richard's letter he got a copy of ...
"The letter dated 1945 from the U.S. written by Mr Chapman of Scarborough and Blackpool, England, G.B., has some pencil notes added by the recipient that my Hoods of Selby were Shipbuilders."
I'm thinking he meant our Hoods were Shipowners.
Been searching the Lloyds Registers at home bit by bit, found Jn Hood from Hull again, in more years back to the 1770s.
London to Greenland, Ships surveyed London 1764 to 1766 (Whaling Industry etc)
Old Providence of London, Lost in the Ice off Greenland 1765, Owner Hood ; Master J. Dryden, 300 Ton'a. [sic]. In Lloyds list this Ship was listed as Lost. ... Providence
Seahorse alias Sea Horse Owner Capt. Hood ; Master N. Wood, 300 Ton'a. [sic]
The Duke of Bedford owner Thos. Hood ; Master Jos. Fisher, 300 Ton'a. [sic]. Also Master Green.
However, the Sea Horse was later Captain J. Clark, but when the ownership changed to Fergusson, the Master was Captain Collison (although not spelt Collinson, but the Register does abbreviate in columns).
Clark and Collinson were two familiar surnames associated to my actual Ancestor George Hood of Selby. Could be coincidences, so tenuous and flimsy, until more Muster Rolls from 1747 to mid 1760s are seen.
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Garbett / Garbutt was a Ship Owner at Scarborough.
By the time George Hood acquired the Malt Kiln premises at Selby from John Clarkson of Newport, Eastrington, his Daughter Mary had already married Samuel Arnett Garbutt of Hull in 1825 (link proven in another newspaper BMD Notice). It is early days and have no connection yet of S. A. Garbutt backward to Garbutt of Scarborough.
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It is a pity the Muster Rolls are not online. Claimed half of Hull, by the late 18th Century were Seafaring families.
There may be two separate Hood, Merchant Seafaring families operating side by side too.
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I have suspicions that one John Hood of Scarbro' might have changed his name to J. Cockburn sailing from Scarbro' (left me thinking of Cockburn-Hood), but no real evidence yet.
However, J. Cockburn's ship Commerce was owned by R. Bullock at Scarbro' 1783, who also had a ship Reward at Gainsborough 1782. Perhaps R. Bullock with links to both those places was a coincidence.
Cockburn was claiming in his book that Thomas Hood who married Nancy Cockburn (b. Feb. 1763) and Hood (and later John Hood) had difficulty with his linking documents to the Cockburn Family with the 'Arms of Cockburn'.
My Father said he felt, we have no official entitlement, to use or bear Arms and there is strict protocol who can rightfully display their Family Coat of Arms, and the other point was that we were Scottish at some point.
Mark
Checking all the documents and tried to update post for clarity
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Hello
Another ship involved in the Greenland Trade (in Lloyds Register 1764 to 1766) owned by Capt. Hood (in addition to the three ships mentioned above owned by Hood), was the Henrietta, Master Jos. Bell, built Whitby 1742. [Later a Joseph Bell was recorded as Master of a ship to Greenland].
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Thomas Hood ; James Manbey & Leonard Bowles, of London, Merchants, appear in an Act of Parliament of 1755, to be paid a Bounty for the loss of their ships named Elizabeth and Mary ; the Mary and the Argus three ships fitted out by them for the Whale Fishery in 1754, but unavoidably lost in the Greenland Seas.
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1789 - John Hood from Greenland to Hull in 1789
In a Hull Muster Roll of 1789, a John Hood was listed as a Seaman on the Sarah & Elizabeth from Greenland (23rd March 1789 - 17th August 1789).
John Hood does possibly appear to be returning from Greenland to Hull, because John Hood's name was missing when the ship left Hull again. Aged about 40, no place of Birth or Abode was stated.
Mark
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There should be documents somewhere ??? for ships on the Tyne 1780 to 1790 for shipping movement arrival/depart from/to ports, docking dates, ship manifests and crews. (Similar to ones you have found for Hull)
When your sat on a definite (one off baptism only +/- 10 years for a dad John Hood ) George son of John Hood baptism Oct 1786 Gateshead on the river Tyne
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1747 - 1860
"All surviving muster rolls and crew agreements for British-registered merchant ships up to and
including 1860 are held by the National Archives (BT 98). Muster rolls exist for 1747-1851, but prior to 1800, only those for Dartmouth, Liverpool, Plymouth, Shields and Scarborough have survived.
The earliest crew list for Liverpool is dated 1772 with crew agreements available from 1835. There is no name index of either vessels or persons at present."
Hull History Centre, holds Ships Muster Rolls from 1747 onward, sailing to and from Hull. If you know the Vessel name, Hull H.C., has a set of Indexes (for 18th Century).
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Unfortunately, those seen in TNA BT 98, dates 1779 to 1783 (spread over 3 Vols.) are incomplete and John Hood sailing from Shields and Northern Ports could not be found.
BT 98/130 Muster Roll Northern Ports Shields &c. 1779 - 1782 Folio 95 Three Brothers 7th March 1780, Joshua Hudd.
Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) Descent information (attached), when first daughter Elizabeth Turner was baptised at Selby in April 1795.
Looked at the actual Scarborough baptism record of 24 Dec 1775, [born] 15 August and Maudland Hood was the Daughter of John and Eliz: Hood.
John Hood Abode Selby, aged 82, when he was buried at Selby 4th April 1819, was likely baptised Scarborough on 22 March 1738 with Father George Hood.
[Hull Muster Rolls confirm John Hood, Abode Selby was born Scarborough]
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of William Hood 1741 gives parentage as George Hood & Maudlin.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of Richard Hood 1745 gives parentage as George Hood & Magdalene
[Maudlin at marriage].
A 1731 York Marriage Bond (now seen) gives me George Hood and Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough.
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm, but trying to concentrate on John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough, but I'm not ruling out John Hood, Mariner to Elizabeth Gibson, marriage, also a relative might help a Bankrupt relation. Also, their Daughter Elizabeth Hood marrying William Cook.
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Fortunately, John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough was a Master Mariner of his Vessels sailing mainly from Hull early 1770s to 1790 and the vessel names are also listed in the newspaper, with the Masters surnames.
A Master (and crew) can be found fairly quickly at Hull, if you know their Vessel name, as they have a separate set of Indexes on their Hull Searchroom shelves, which gives the Muster Roll Volumes and Folio numbers for Vessels by Vessel name only and which usually confirm the Master also in their Indexes.
Scarborough Muster Rolls are the next step.
Ships to the Greenland Fishery
It is possible now, that there is no Greenland connection to my Hoods, although ships were sailing to Greenland from Whitby from mid 18th Century and a John Hood was on a ship from Greenland in 1789. I have put this information on, as it may be useful for others.
Scottish
However, my Father was quite definite we have Scottish descent somewhere in our ancestry.
The name Maudlin is of Scottish origin and the names George, John, William and Richard are all names appearing in the Scarborough Hoods and also names of the Sons of my George Hood.
Maudin / Maudlin is also in the Scottish National Dictionary ...
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/maudin
George Hood of Selby said in his 1841 Return he was born Yorkshire. The absence of a local baptism when John Hood of Selby, Mariner, had association with Nonconformists and also Presbyterian and Wesleyan records missing, may simply mean no Selby baptism record.
Current Actions
Awaiting two Wills ordered, of two Vessel owners (that John Hood of Selby was sailing) and requested George Hood's signature in a Barnard Castle document, for comparison.
Mark
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1747 - 1860
"All surviving muster rolls and crew agreements for British-registered merchant ships up to and
including 1860 are held by the National Archives (BT 98). Muster rolls exist for 1747-1851, but prior to 1800, only those for Dartmouth, Liverpool, Plymouth, Shields and Scarborough have survived.
The earliest crew list for Liverpool is dated 1772 with crew agreements available from 1835. There is no name index of either vessels or persons at present."
Hull History Centre, holds Ships Muster Rolls from 1747 onward, sailing to and from Hull. If you know the Vessel name, Hull H.C., has a set of Indexes (for 18th Century).
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Unfortunately, those seen in TNA BT 98, dates 1779 to 1783 (spread over 3 Vols.) are incomplete and John Hood sailing from Shields and Northern Ports could not be found.
BT 98/130 Muster Roll Northern Ports Shields &c. 1779 - 1782 Folio 95 Three Brothers 7th March 1780, Joshua Hudd.
Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) Descent information (attached), when first daughter Elizabeth Turner was baptised at Selby in April 1795.
Looked at the actual Scarborough baptism record of 24 Dec 1775, [born] 15 August and Maudland Hood was the Daughter of John and Eliz: Hood.
John Hood Abode Selby, aged 82, when he was buried at Selby 4th April 1819, was likely baptised Scarborough on 22 March 1738 with Father George Hood.
[Hull Muster Rolls confirm John Hood, Abode Selby was born Scarborough]
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of William Hood 1741 gives parentage as George Hood & Maudlin.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of Richard Hood 1745 gives parentage as George Hood & Magdalene
[Maudlin at marriage].
A 1731 York Marriage Bond (now seen) gives me George Hood and Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough.
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm, but trying to concentrate on John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough, but I'm not ruling out John Hood, Mariner to Elizabeth Gibson, marriage, also a relative might help a Bankrupt relation. Also, their Daughter Elizabeth Hood marrying William Cook.
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Fortunately, John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough was a Master Mariner of his Vessels sailing mainly from Hull early 1770s to 1790 and the vessel names are also listed in the newspaper, with the Masters surnames.
A Master (and crew) can be found fairly quickly at Hull, if you know their Vessel name, as they have a separate set of Indexes on their Hull Searchroom shelves, which gives the Muster Roll Volumes and Folio numbers for Vessels by Vessel name only and which usually confirm the Master also in their Indexes.
Scarborough Muster Rolls are the next step.
Ships to the Greenland Fishery
It is possible now, that there is no Greenland connection to my Hoods, although ships were sailing to Greenland from Whitby from mid 18th Century and a John Hood was on a ship from Greenland in 1789. I have put this information on, as it may be useful for others.
Scottish
However, my Father was quite definite we have Scottish descent somewhere in our ancestry.
The name Maudlin is of Scottish origin and the names George, John, William and Richard are all names appearing in the Scarborough Hoods and also names of the Sons of my George Hood.
Maudin / Maudlin is also in the Scottish National Dictionary ...
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/maudin
George Hood of Selby said in his 1841 Return he was born Yorkshire. The absence of a local baptism when John Hood of Selby, Mariner, had association with Nonconformists and also Presbyterian and Wesleyan records missing, may simply mean no Selby baptism record.-------------------(possible)
Current Actions
Awaiting two Wills ordered, of two Vessel owners (that John Hood of Selby was sailing) and requested George Hood's signature in a Barnard Castle document, for comparison.
Mark
Hi Mark,
My maternal granddad was baptized in ( not Wales the country) Wales village near Rotherham Yorkshire Jan 1868 to his parents who married in the same Wales village church June 1867
In all census post 1871 c - granddad said he was born in Bolsover Derbyshire.
The mystery solved itself in the 1939 register - when granddad put his date of birth down a 7th Nov 1866 Bolsover ( Birth event un-registered with GRO or no birth certificate) - obviously born illegitimate to my Gt grandmother in Derbyshire and baptized in Yorkshire.
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Thus if George Hood said he was born in Yorkshire he could have been baptized in Durham (Gateshead)
Until George Hood baptism 1st Oct 1786 in Gateshead is proved to have had a life as another George Hood, may have married or buried as an infant, or buried under the age of 21 years as a youth or was buried as an adult post 1807 -its going to be difficult to proved he was not your George Hood who married 1815 age 28 to Sarah Russel of Selby
Strong evidence is the father of George Hood baptized 1st Oct 1786 Gateshead being a John Hood had not
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Hello All
Thanks dobfarm, a few things uncovered by Rootschatters with Laidler alias Laidlaw suggests some links between Newcastle and Tynemouth to the main Hoods at Cloughton, near Scarborough.
HOODs & HORD Scarborough Muster Rolls 1747 to 1750 (in the First 50 of about 300 Rolls, refs are photo numbers)
(HURD and HEAD are probably not HOOD, but have seen HURD spelt for HOOD)
Last column title - Name of Ship, and Master, and what Voyage each Man last performed.
0849 Harrison HORD, Serv't, 17, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro' of the Prosperous, Wm Arnald, Coasting, 29th September 1747.
0866 John HUDD, Seaman, 55, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro'. of the Fr'as Goodwill, Wm Allison, Coasting, 29 Sept 1747.
0866 Francis HURD, Seaman, 28, Born Homsley, Abode Scarbro' of the Mary & Rebecca, Wm Harrison, Coast. 29 Sept 1747.
0880 William GARBUT, Master, 30, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro', Providence Wm Garbut London (Voyage last performed), 28th January 174? [last figure of year, off image]
0880 William HEAD, Sailor, 19, Birth Skregnham, Abode Skregnham, as above ship.
0887 Harrison HORD, Seaman, 17, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro', Willson Math. Duesbery Riga [looks to say Riga, place of].
0889 John HUDD, Mate, 24, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro', Lucitania, Fra. Leak, Coasting.
0892 Cumby HOOD, Mate, 30, Born Boston, Abode Boston, Tho: & Mary, M: Rymen [or M: Rymer, next word in fold Neulry[?], 29 Sept 1747.
0895 Benj: HURD, Mate, 29, Born Muston, Abode Scarbro' Exchange, Jno Bean Coasting, 5 Mar 1747.
Mark
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Hi Mark
Back to obvious basics -with 2 seeming separately religious influenced periods of his married life post 1815
Going back to George Hood of Selby married aged 28 (est born 1787 +/- 1 year) to Sarah Russel in Selby Anglican abbey, with all his children baptized Anglican, whom 2 of the boy sons James and William married Quaker wife's. George Hood died age 60 ( est born 1785) Sept 1845 in Selby buried in Selby Quaker burial ground as a non Quaker member - his wife Sarah Hood (nee Russel) died in 1879 aged 86 in Selby with Quaker daughter in law being the person at her death and also buried in the Quaker Selby burial ground.
Looking at the religious picture above George's early married life was Anglican assumed by bringing up a family of children and kept baptizing them in the Anglican church/abbey in Selby over many years . George was a pillar of the community as a tradesman & businessman in Selby through them early married years.
Thus the big question -was George baptized an Anglican (big thing them days)
Was George named in doc's as involved in parish activities in any chest records 1815 to 1830 ( Held at they abbey ) in years 1815 to say early years to 1830- then after later marriage years 1831 to 1845 with ' daughter('s) in law' with Quaker influence in his family
Other than by contacts/friends/ or association to third parties: there seems to be no record of George been linked as of him practicing in nonconformity of other religions apart from his Quaker daughter in law's influence on his religious beliefs in his life or his family members
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Thanks dobfarm, but it is George Hood's Father or Mother who needs to be the Nonconformist, or John Hood has swung to Nonconformity, for George's Baptism to be missing.
Strong suggestion John Hood's Landlord, John Turner was Presbyterian ...
Around the year George Hood was born (1784 to 1787), John Hood of Selby, was living in the house belonging to Jno TURNER who seems to be linked to the [Presbyterian] Chapel. Because both the Jno Turner entries disappear in the Selby Land Tax together in 1790, when Turner's house changed ownership to John Spencer and also the Occupation of the Chapel changes hands away from Jno Turner in 1790.
If we then go backward on that Chapel (in the Selby Land Tax) to 1781, we see that Chapel was Presbyterian.
Or even John Hood's association 1781 to 1786 with his Vessel owner John DEAN of Gainsborough, who owned the Calvinist Chapel?
We also can't find a Church Marriage for John Hood of Selby, Mariner, either.
Nonconformism took people away from Church. No Selby Baptisms survive for Independent ; Wesleyan or Presbyterian for the Birth period of George Hood.
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This Cumby HOOD in the Scarborough Musters, he isn't on Family Search. So perhaps another HOOD apparently AWOL.
Mark
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Thanks for your reply
George could have been Anglican baptized as an adult (re-baptized) to support his deep establishment involvement in Selby parish abbey/town affairs
The question that arise are:
Qu-1) Was George a fully fledged baptized Anglican of another parish who married Sarah Russel of Selby Anglican parish.
(If George was involved in Abbey/church/parish affairs in the Selby parish chest records (being an estabished trade businessman in Selby parish seems likely) - this would indicate this but if not ? then it would indicated Qu - 2 as below ?)
Qu-2) Was George from parents of nonconformist faith (Parent beliefs ) who was baptized (George did not follow his parents belief as he grew up ? ) in nonconformity in that religion but not practising it, who married Sarah Russel of an Anglican faith who followed her wishes as to the their children's religious teaching and baptisms - Yet! very unusual for children not to follow their father religious faith of his church teaching them years in history.
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Thank you dobfarm.
Example of a Scarborough, Yorkshire Muster Roll ...
An Ode for a Hood of Boston
Especially for doubting Claire,
who's curious to see the Roll,
I can't find Cumby Hood anywhere,
but he is on the Scroll ;D
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On a serious note for the main subscription sites ... if you could transcribe all these 18th Century Muster Rolls of various Ports, so that they were searchable online, which survive at various Museums, Archives and places around the UK, they would probably help us a great deal!
TNA, Kew Customs & Excise records - CUST 91/111 Muster roll of sailors of ships registered at Scarborough 1747 to 1750.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2262522
Mark
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Afternoon Smartypants and dobfarm ;)
Cumb(e)y Hood born 14 Aug 1717 Boston Massachusetts son of Joseph Hood and Rebecca Cumbey.
In American biographies Cumbey was captain of a vessel and lost at sea.
He married twice in Boston Mass, firstly in 1739 to Lettice Begood and secondly Sarah Nolans daughter of a ‘gent’ from Wales.
Claire
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Afternoon Smartypants and dobfarm ;)
Cumb(e)y Hood born 14 Aug 1717 Boston Massachusetts son of Joseph Hood and Rebecca Cumbey.
In American biographies Cumbey was captain of a vessel and lost at sea.
He married twice in Boston Mass, firstly in 1739 to Lettice Begood and secondly Sarah Nolans daughter of a ‘gent’ from Wales.
Claire
Hello All
Thank you Claire, I think you are the "Smartypants" ;D ;D Absolutely brilliant, for spotting a US Hood - Scarborough, Yorkshire connection, in my Scarborough Muster Roll photo (Reply #88)!
So Cumby Hood sailing in and out of Scarborough, Yorkshire, age 30, 29th September 1747, looks to be "Cumb(e)y Hood born 14 Aug 1717 Boston Massachusetts son of Joseph Hood and Rebecca Cumbey."
Apart from the crew member from Cork, Ireland and Aberdeen, the Master and other Crew are local to Scarborough and Yorkshire
Why couldn't my George Hood, have a rare name like that!! I only tried England, thinking Cumby Hood was Boston, Lincolnshire!!
Please keep digging Claire!
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Although we had various propositions. Apart from John Hood, we always thought George Hood of Selby, seemed a loner!
Or is this US / Yank HOOD at Scarborough, Yorkshire, just a cruel coincidence, or one that has no proven link back to Yorkshire, England?
Mark
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By the 1680s, King Charles II (restored 1660 by General George Monck, Col. Hood & Other supporters), had allowed the Quakers to leave Britain and William Penn chartered 13 Ships.
Apparently the 13th and last of William Penn's ships, was the Providence, of Scarborough, Yorkshire.
I'm left wondering if my Hood ancestors had some involvement in this Quaker escape from Scarborough and perhaps some of their descendants who wished it, were favored with "Not in Membership" Quaker Burials.
When I was a boy it was said our Hoods were loyal to the Crown.
King Charles II gave the lands to William Penn (Son of a Vice-Admiral) and Pennsilvania / Pennsylvania got its name from William Penn, a Quaker.
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William Penn, was a Dutchman
Penn had to settle a dispute with GRUBB in Pennsylvania
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grubb
Well there's a surname, both sides of the Hood of Selby gap, have both married into the Grubb family, with either a reference to Railton Grubb in a child's name, or descent from Railton Grubb.
You might be interested to know in East Riding Property Registers that some property of Wm Hood at Middleton in 1775 went to surname Railton.
Also some property at Catwick 1793/4 of Richard Hood went to Railton.
There are numerous HOODs in the E.R. Property Indexes, lists acquired. (You can't order a Registration Copy without the reference from the Index).
Scarborough Property must be in the N.R. of Yorkshire Indexes and Registers at Northallerton.
Mark
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There was also emigration from Hull and Scarborough to Halifax and Fort Cumberland in Nova Scotia, in 1774.
A little paragraph about this in April 1774 and it is no wonder that some didn't leave a Will.
Mark
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For anyone with a later 18th Century Navy ancestor in one of the two Royal Hospitals, I came across a David Hood, under a list on the Resolution whose Effects were at the Royal Hospital, Haslar.
There are two lists of names (one for each Royal Hospital), with names of Ships, on the front page of The Caledonian Mercury, 27th October 1792, under ...
Office for Sick and Hurt Seamen.
The Office for Sick and Hurt Seamen, Somerset Place, London.
Referring to those named and those authorised to claim their effects, who lately belonged to His Majesty's Ships, to get in touch with either the Office, or the Steward and Agent at the Royal Hospital, Haslar, near Portsmouth or the Royal Hospital, Plymouth.
Mark
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Afternoon Smartypants and dobfarm ;)
Cumb(e)y Hood born 14 Aug 1717 Boston Massachusetts son of Joseph Hood and Rebecca Cumbey.
In American biographies Cumbey was captain of a vessel and lost at sea.
He married twice in Boston Mass, firstly in 1739 to Lettice Begood and secondly Sarah Nolans daughter of a ‘gent’ from Wales.
Claire
Hello All
Thank you Claire, I think you are the "Smartypants" ;D ;D Absolutely brilliant, for spotting a US Hood - Scarborough, Yorkshire connection, in my Scarborough Muster Roll photo (Reply #88)!
So Cumby Hood sailing in and out of Scarborough, Yorkshire, age 30, 29th September 1747, looks to be "Cumb(e)y Hood born 14 Aug 1717 Boston Massachusetts son of Joseph Hood and Rebecca Cumbey."
Apart from the crew member from Cork, Ireland and Aberdeen, the Master and other Crew are local to Scarborough and Yorkshire
Why couldn't my George Hood, have a rare name like that!! I only tried England, thinking Cumby Hood was Boston, Lincolnshire!!
Please keep digging Claire!
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Although we had various propositions. Apart from John Hood, we always thought George Hood of Selby, seemed a loner!
Or is this US / Yank HOOD at Scarborough, Yorkshire, just a cruel coincidence, or one that has no proven link back to Yorkshire, England?
Mark
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I don't think there is a cruel coincidence here, regarding Cumby Hood aged 30 / Cumbey Hood born Boston [U.S.] appearing just the once in those 1747 Scarborough Muster Rolls (of those Rolls checked so far).
The 1851 Census for nearby Cloughton, Newlands, has an Aley Hood, Daur, aged 43, born Stainton Dale, Yorkshire, in the Household of John Hood and Jane Hood, Freehold Farmers of 40 acres.
Earlier, on 15th May 1839 Alley Hood was in attendance at the death of William Hood, aged 66 years (born about 1773), dying at Peak Hill, Stainton Dale, Near Scarborough.
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When looking for Cumbey Hood who should I find in the same US book, published 1912 ...
Rebecca Hood marrying Hugh ALLEY of Lynn, Weaver, in December 1681.
There is a question and answers regarding HOOD American genealogy (attached).
Also see next post for pdf attachment.
Mark
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Attachment for above post.
Still to check those sources listed in the Answers (last post).
Mark
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Hello
Following on from the emigration theme, I was interested to learn about the ancestors of Bingham Hutchinson Esq., (not because he was related), whose ancestor William Hutchinson emigrated in 1633 from the neighbourhood of Boston, Lincolnshire and became one of the founders of Boston, America, where the family held various offices until the American Revolution in 1776.
When the American Revolution began Hutchinson's Great Grandfather was Governor of Massachusetts and Hutchinson lost his estates due to fidelity to the Crown.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Y11BAAAAYAAJ&pg=PP568&lpg=PP568&dq=%22Bingham+Hutchinson%22+Boston&source=bl&ots=1THI0_xu2G&sig=tGxXx5y5vYmeFLi7FFb9Jr-Ey_s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivqqqGyZneAhXKIsAKHY_ZAEMQ6AEwEXoECAgQAQ
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Some British went to Nova Scotia (New Scotland) and formed a fighting force to return to America.
Some others became US Prisoners of War, or came back to Britain and some possibly back to the same Counties where their ancestors left, or their ancestors descendants now lived, or elsewhere.
Mark
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Hello
Joseph Dean's 1802 Will copy, did arrive and I am posting these very summary notes only, as the information may be useful to others.
Joseph Dean 1802 Gainsborough, Wharfinger and Cheesemonger
... "And all my Real Estate whatsoever and wheresoever within the Kingdom of Great Britain".
Leaving property to his Wife Martha Dean.
Property was upon Trust for Son, John Dean, consisting of Dwellinghouse, Warehouse and Wharf or Landing place and also the abovementioned piece of Land lying or being on the South Warren of Gainsborough.
Trustees were his much esteemed friends Wright Calcraft of Crossby Row Kingstreet Borough Southwark Cotton Merchant John Smith of Gainsburgh aforesaid Wharfinger and John Belwood of Gainsburgh Gentleman their Heirs Executors Administrators and Assigns Upon Trust.
So it seems they were going to run business operations until the Son came of age.
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Joseph Dean, inherited from his Father (who died 1787), on the basis Joseph Dean was Heir at Law (No Will appeared to be listed).
By 1820 'Henry Mills & Son' and 'Dean & Beaumont' have a Sream Packet vessel called the Countess of Scarborough sailing York, Selby and Gainsborough.
Mr Beaumont died 5th November 1817, in the 58th year of his age and Notice confirms of the firm Dean and Beaumont.
For some other family connections see Reply # 75
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6587391#msg6587391
Mark
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At Reply # 69 page 8
I have just looked again at the 1788 Centurion Muster Roll of Trinity House, Hull, England (photo seen numerous times) naming John Hood, Master, Selby, Hull, which says adjacent John Hood aid Cap'n Prince (this John Hood is one of several possible fathers for a mystery George Hood of Selby ancestor), so typed "aid " bottom left of my pc search bar and up came a newspaper image and other bits I had already saved and titled about a vessel called Aid and James Prince of Selby (late of Scarborough), England.
John Hood was not getting aid from Capt Prince, nor from Trinity House, Hull in 1788, but his former ship he was a crew member of, was called Aid. The Captain of Aid was James Prince, who incidentally was buried at Selby too.
We will follow this up and see what was recorded about John Hood and his abode etc., on the vessel Aid around part of the Birth time period of my ancestor George Hood.
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Also noted the Industry vessel of John Dean of Gainsbro' was a SLOOP type vessel at Hull, when Joseph Dean of Gainsborough, England offered the Sloop Industry for sale (with other vessels and property) in 1788, after the death of John Dean (reported in the newspaper 21 st December 1787).
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Whereas the Industry vessel (in the Muster Rolls at Hull 1781 to 1786) of John Hood, Master, Birth Scarborough, Abode Selby, was a BRIG (this Brig previously linked to John Jefferson). In June 1787 Edward Firminger was Master sailing to Bordeaux from Leeds and Agents were Haworth & Bateman of Hull, reported in the Manchester Mercury 26th June 1787. Another newspaper gives a little more detail about Agents as B. B. Haworth and John Bateman. Industry (of Edward Firminger) had just had an overhaul according to abbreviations in Lloyds Register.
I have added information about Edward Firminger and John Firminger because there seems to be nothing online in the Registers about them in these areas and might be useful for researchers to find other documentation in Archives.
The Hull Payments Book at Hull does say Industry John Hood, Jefferson for most of the 1780s and in 1792 it says "See Foreign Vessels, Jno Firminger". Interesting as a John Firminger of the vessel Industry is also linked to Chester, England (newspapers 1791).
Mark
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Regarding James Prince of Selby, England, Master of the Aid, Spirit Merchant and Ship owner.
Newspaper, Deaths, December 1808
Last week, Mr. James Prince, of Selby, chief owner of the Brig Aid, a regular trader from York to London.
Some research notes (research Tree attached) to date about James Prince and his Wife Arabella Prince (nee Arabella Wardle). James Prince, Gentleman and Widower, of the Parish of Selby, Yorkshire, married Arabella Sissons, Widow in 1801 by Licence.
Arabella's first marriage: John Sissons of this Parish [Kirk Fenton] and Arabella Wardle of the Parish of Cawood, in 1791, at Kirk Fenton, Yorkshire, England, by Licence.
Arabella born about 1744 - 1745 from the ages given on the transcribed Licence applications, not seen.
At an initial glance only, it seems Arabella might have been baptised as Isabella? But no firm evidence whatsoever.
I cannot find any Wardle, nor Wardale / Wardell link to Malton, Yorkshire and the Jane Wardale mentioned in the Will of James HOOD of Scarborough Proved Dec 1782, Sister Jane WARDALE, alias WARDLE, signed Wardell or Wardele at her marriage.
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Back to James Prince dying Selby 1808.
TNA, Kew, IR 26/431/374 Abstract of Will of James Prince, Spirit merchant of Selby, Yorkshire. Proved in the Court of York, 1809.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7219238
The daughter of the above James Prince was Mary Ann Prince who was present at the 1794 Marriage of Maudland Hood of Selby (Maudland Hood born Scarborough, Yorkshire).
Mark
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The following Will must be linked to the above nee Mary Ann Prince / Mary Ann Foster / Mary Ann Taylor of Selby, her Father James Prince married Grace Marshall in 1767 at Scarborough.
TNA, Kew, England
PROB 11/1721/249 Will of Ann Marshall, Spinster of Scarborough , Yorkshire, 1827
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6393936
In the 1827 Will (written 25th August 1821), Ann Marshall mentions Niece, Mary Ann Taylor and her two children Thomas Taylor and James Taylor. Jane Heward* the widow of Joseph Howard* and Daughter of James and Elizabeth Marshall. My Nephew William Prince. Jane Prince, Sole Executrix. Jane Prince, Spinster, Proves the Will.
* These PCC Wills are copies, one copied Heward and the other Howard.
Looking at Yorkshire on f m p the following look to be the above family:-
1761 12th April at Scarborough by Licence (ages from Licence transcription - Not seen)
James Marshall, 28
Elizabeth Stephenson, 23
Present: John Cornforth (possibly present as a church man)
Elizabeth Witty
1808, at Scarborough, by Licences (ages in Marriage Register)
Joseph Heward, 50, Widower, Ship Builder
Present: Judith Stephenson
Jonathan Huntriss
Joseph Heward
A burial[?] at Scalby but relationships for men don't seem to be given (whereas, Wife or Parent to dec'd is), nor their trade and also James Heward, age, suggests he was 8 yrs older at Marriage (if the burial is the correct one?).
Scalby Burials
Joseph Heward, 64, Abode Scarborough, 28th August 1814
(The Scalby burial age is far too much at odds for me, to be accepted as correct without a secondary corroborating piece of evidence e.g. a Will or M.I., Property Deed, Inquest, or newspaper Notice etc., to link him to the marriage).
Mark