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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: Mollyrobz on Wednesday 04 November 15 13:59 GMT (UK)
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Please help me find a death for William Bruce, husband of Agnes Watson. I believe they married in 1840 Garvock. I think I've found him on the 1881 census still alive in St Cyrus and on the death certificate of his son William he's noted as being deceased and that was in 1904. So a death date during that time frame seems likely
Molly
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Hi Molly ,
Some have his death as the 4th of March 1895 Montrose Angus.
http://www.geni.com/people/William-Bruce/6000000003878803573
ev
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https://www.deceasedonline.com/ has a possible burial for William Bruce , 6th March 1895 St Cyrus.
ev
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Thank you Ev,
How can I look at census records to see if he was in the household of the family in the link that you've sent me?
Molly
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http://www.freecen.org.uk/ have the 1841 & 1851 Census transcriptions for Kincardineshire.
Scotlandspeople has a William Bruce age 75 and Agnes Bruce age 72 in St Cyrus Kincardine in the
1891 Census.
ev
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Thank you Ev :)
Did you come across a death for Agnes Watson at all?
Molly
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Can't easily see a likely death for Agnes in Scotland ???
Was she noted as deceased on the 1904 death cert. for son William ?
ev
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http://www.hattam.co.uk/familytree/individual.php?pid=I16622&ged=hattam.ged
March 6, 1893 (Age 74) . Burnmouth, St Cyrus, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Looks like SP have it as Nancy Bruce(other surname Watson) death 1893 St Cyrus , Kincardine(shire) , born c1819.
ev
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Hello Ev,
Thank you very much for finding me this information, yes both parents were noted as being deceased on Williams death cert so I'm pretty sure you've found the right ones. Thank you very much for your help :)
Molly
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Would anybody be as kind to help me further with my searches on this family? I now have copies of the two death certs previously mentioned. Nancy Watson has her parents as James Watson (Crofter) and Mary Beattie, both deceased. She was 74 when she died which gives a rough birth year of 1819. William Bruce's parents where William Bruce (ploughman) and Helen Gibb, both deceased. His age was 77 when he died so rough birth of 1818.
I have a copy of a death cert for a Helen Gibb (other name Bruce) 1862 daughter of (something) Gibb and Isobel Dakers(?) 77 when she died in KincRdine. Also a copy of a death cert for a Mary Beattie ( other name Watson) 1859 Benholm 78 years, dau of William Beattie and Mary Leighton. This last two certs may not be right, so I'd like to try and find out somehow also any census regarding William Bruce (husband of Gibb) and James Watson (husband of Beattie)
Thank you :) molly
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Hi Molly ,
These references may be of interest -
Watson/Beattie marriage ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT5B-JYB
William Bruce birth 1818 ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYNH-MPB
Gibb/Diker marriage ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT5T-82V
ev
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1851 Census transcription on FreeCEN has a widow Mary Beattie 67 visitor to a William Watson & family , St Cyrus.
http://www.freecen.org.uk/
ev
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1841 Census
Moor Pitcarles , Arbuthnott , Kincardineshire.(all born Kincardineshire)
James Watson 55 ag. labourer
Mary Watson 55
Agnes Hutcheon 9
ev
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1841 Census.
Nether Pitforthy , Arbuthnott , Kincardineshire.(all born Kincardineshire)
Willm Bruce 45 ag. lab.
Helen Gibb 45
Geo Gray 2
ev
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Although the ages don't tally with the 1841 this looks like the same couple in 1851 Census.
Springingreens , Glenbervie , Kincardineshire.
William Bruce 65 pauper farm labourer born Glenbervie , Kincardineshire
Hellen Bruce 65 wife born Marykirk , Kincardineshire
George Gray 11 grnson scholar born Benholm , Kincardineshire
ev
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http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.scotland.kcd.general/2323.1.2/mb.ashx
ev
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Ev,
Thank you for this info. I believe that the 1851 census family is correct also as on Helen Gibbs death cert it also has 'springing greens' as the death location.
That last link you sent me has the parents of William Bruce but on the death cert tht I have no parents are named as he passed away in the 'montrose lunatic asylum'.
On that 1851 census of mary beattie as a widow, is that a possible brother of her husband?
I know have a copy of the marriage certificate for James Watson and Mary beattie but I can't seem to find oout who James was. Does anybody reading this no of anything?
Molly
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On that 1851 census of mary beattie as a widow, is that a possible brother of her husband?
Could it be her son ?
There are references to children -
Thomas b. 1802
James b. 1804
John b. 1807
Jane b. 1810
George b. 1812
Helen b. 1822
So there is a gap for a William Watson b c1816 and Agnes Watson b. c1819.
Indexed IGI -
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ghp/
ev
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Further possible references from the indexed IGI -
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Agibb~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Amarykirk%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1770-1800~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bsubcollection_id%3A5&igi=2
I have a copy of a death cert for a Helen Gibb (other name Bruce) 1862 daughter of (something) Gibb and Isobel Dakers(?) 77
ev
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Regarding mary beattie, there was one that died 1959 in Benholm other surname Watson, Daughter of william Beattie and Mary Leighton yet when I search for a birth in the OPRs the only one remotely close is a Mary Beattie, dau of David Beattie and Margaret Robertson. I'm not sure which one is mine ???
Molly
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Unfortunately for various reasons the Parish records are not complete.
Also the parents named on a death certificate were only to the best of the informant's knowledge , as
many of us have discovered the information is not always accurate.
ev
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Hello Ev,
So are you saying that it could quite possibly be the same person? Oh no, that makes things even more difficult
Molly
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Fun... William was my great, great uncle. George Bruce, William's younger brother, was my great grandfather.