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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: sandyjose on Thursday 05 November 15 22:01 GMT (UK)
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My great grandmother was Jane Belshaw,1846-1902,her father was John Belshaw 1807-1864. I can't find his father or further back with the Belshaws. John and Jane were from Co Down but it's possible that John's family were from Northern England as it's a well known name there. Any ideas please.
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registers.nli.ie ??
If they were RC!!
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Is this the correct John Belshaw?
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of John Belshaw late of Lisburn County Antrim Publiean [Publican] deceased who died 12 August 1864 at same place were granted at Belfast to Mary Wilson of Lisburn Widow a Child of said deceased.
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Hi
Some Belshaws listed in the Ros Davies site. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/B/BehBew.htm
Regards
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Thanks for all the replies. The Belshaws were Presbyterian.I'm not sure about the John that was a publican,i don't think he's my family,I think John was a weaver.There was another Belshaw family from Antrim. I will have another look at Ros Davis site. John's father would have been born abt 1785.
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Did John's daughter Jane Belshaw marry? if so, what's her father's occupation on her marriage certificate? and what was her residence? when and where did she marry?
By 1860s there would have been fewer weavers working from home than in the previous generation so your John Belshaw could certainly have acquired another occupation by the time he died. However, you said originally that John Belshaw was born 1807 and died 1864- what's the basis for this?
It looks like the Lisburn John Belshaw might have been born c1788-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRG7-7P8
This John Belshaw born c1807 died 1868 Newtownards district-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR5F-L3K
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At Lurgan First Presbyterian Church there is John bapt June 1, 1804, Isabella bapt Feb 17, 1806, and Ann bapt May 4, 1808. The father is John of Lurgan. There is no wife or occupation listed. The records 1775-1803 ish are missing.
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The John Belshaw that was born 1807 and died 1868 is my great x2 grand dad.He was a weaver.His daughter Jane 1844-1904 married James McMillan also a weaver. He was from Glasgow 1840-1916.
I can't find John's father,he could have been born in England and gone to Ireland,I don't know.Usually there is a record that give a parent but in this case I can't find one.
John's wife was Fanny McRobert,I can trace them a couple of generations back.
Any help welcome
Ps they were all from the Newtownards area.
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Thanks 00for all your help. I think the John Belshaw from Lurgan is the one I'm looking for. I'll try to find more records for this John.
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Sandyjose do you have this from Derek Beatties site, listing a lot of Newtonards Belshaws?
http://www.newtownards.info/family-belshaw.htm
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You havent admitted where your earlier knowledge is coming from ? Focusing on Lurgan, Shankill civil parish Co armagh Lurgan, which also appears to be used as a district ie a greater lurgan ie neighbouring parishes possibly
1833 The Belshaws in Lurgan, Shankill civil parish in Tithes Applotment Books http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/armagh/tithe-applotments/shankill-parish.php#.VlYRDUvBEYU
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Belshaw, Mrs. Townland: Lurgan Town Year: 1833
Belshaw, John Townland: Tabberhewney Year: 1833
Belshaw, Mary Townland: Tabberhewney Year: 1833
Belshaw, William Townland: Clanrolla Year: 1833
Belshaw, Wm. Townland: Tanaghmore North Year: 1833
in Newtownhamilton and other Co Armagh parishes heres one example
Belshaw, James - Townland: Tullyvallon Hamilton Year: 1830
1846 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com
Francis XXXXX marries Sarah BELSHAW Lurgan Armagh
1854 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com
William Belshaw marries Jane XXXXXX Lurgan Armagh
1857 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com
Benjamin Belshaw marries Anne e XXXXXX Lurgan Armagh
1864 Griffiths valuation see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation
Belshaw John Tullyvallan Newtownhamilton Armagh
Belshaw Jane Tullyvallan Newtownhamilton Armagh
Belshaw Samuel Cavanacaw Lisnadill Armagh
1881 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com
Andrew James XXXXX marries Margaret Belshaw Lurgan Armagh
1900 from https://www.emeraldancestors.com
James Kernaghan Belshaw marries Lizzie XXX Lurgan Armagh
1901 Irish census for Co ArmaghI note one or two onto the 1911 results
1911 Irish census for Co Armagh the homesteads consisted
29 in Avenue Road (Lurgan Urban, Armagh)
Belshaw William 49 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Down Damask Weaver Read and write - Single [But in 1901 he didn’t exist in Co Armagh, I think he came from Newtownards]
1 in Carrickaness (Glenaul, Armagh)
9 in Edenaveys (Killeen, Armagh)
72 in Tullyvallan (Newtownhamilton, Armagh)
107 in Tullyvallan (Newtownhamilton, Armagh
24.1 in Abbey Street (Armagh North Urban, Armagh)
other websites
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/ has 9 Belshaw entries in their search engine
one of which has ‘Otto ‘replying with two facts one of which is
Civil Marriage 6th July 1881 Andrew James Burnett to Margret Belshaw at Lurgan Civil Registrars Office in the Parish of Shankill Lurgan County Armagh.
PRONI has wills
William Belshaw Grant : 9 February 1898 Administration of the estate of William Belshaw late of 75 Avenue-road Lurgan County Armagh Damask Weaver .. granted at Armagh to Robert Belshaw of 122 Melody-road Wandsworth Common London S.W. Inland Revenue Officer the Son.
William Belshaw Date of Grant : 16 August 1939
Belshaw William of Avenue Road Lurgan county Armagh damask weaver died 15 January 1939 Administration (limited) Belfast 16 August to Alexander Minnis bank manager. Effects £407 3s. 3d.
www.lurganancestry.com fohas some births and parents
Heather asks www.lurganancestry.com
JAMES BELSHAW, JONATHAN BLACK, HUGH HALL COCHRAN, and MATTHEW WELLS.
They were all Watch and Clockmakers in MAIN STREET, Lurgan in 1840.
‘Colin’ appears to have a family tree containing several Belshaws in Co Armaghin the 1860s his interest is in Mary Jane and Lucinda in Castleblaney Co Armagh http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/
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Thanks for all the records.How I discovered John Belshaw,1807-1868,I was looking for his daughter Jane's marriage.On the entry on Family Search and Ancestry it gives Jane's father as John. The marriage was 1866 in Newtownards. Going back I found that John's wife was Fanny McRobert 1817-1868.
I was able to find some of Fanny's family but not John's. John was a weaver but who his father was or what he did I've no idea. The John from Co Armagh seems a likely match.
A while back I was in touch with someone who also had a Jane Belshaw in their tree but their family came from Antrim and had a Richard which I don't have.
I hope some of this helps.
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I'm still wondering about the way you've traced back your Belshaws :-\
What's listed for Jane's residence and her father's occupation on the marriage certificate? Do names of witnesses help connect to other relatives?
How did you establish that John Belshaw's wife was Fanny McRobert?
Why is the John from Armagh a 'likely match'? is it because there seems to be a link there or merely you've chosen him as the best possible match?
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I don't have a copy of Jane Belshaw's marriage certificate only the record I found on Family Search and Ancestry.It gives John Belshaw as Jane's father and Joseph McMillan as James' father.I don't know who the witness were.
I remember my dad mentioning the name Belshaw,McMillan was his middle name after his mother Janet McMillan.I know that I'm right back to John,it's beyond that I'm lost.Maybe John Belshaw's father was James?
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You really do need to have a look at Jane's marriage certificate as that seems to be the basis of your searching further back. It may, or may not, say her father was deceased. It may give you a residence to investigate further in valuation records, etc, It will give you the location of the marriage and names of 2 witnesses. You can view it on GRONI's website after purchasing a few credits.
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Ok,I'll look on Groni. according to my records Jane's parents both died in 1868,so they were both alive when she married. Re Derek Beatie ,I was told that he just copies records from other sites,ie Ros Davis,he doesn't even live in Ireland.
I was told that it's cheaper to get certificates from Roscommon,how do I do that?
Thanks for your help
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Another thought is about christian names and how they are repeated in families.John and Fanny had 2 sons named John.The first one died,the second married an Anna Smyth.They had about 10 children,there was a John 1867,William 1862,Alax 1861,Ruben John 1875,James 1876 and Hugh 1884
They also had a son Hugh McRobert Belshaw 1850
Jane and James had 2 sons,William 1872 and Hugh abt 1952.It could be that John Belshaw's father was a John,Hugh,William or James going on the christian names that came after him.
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sandyjose, you disappoint me, I quote "Re Derek Beatie, I was told that he just copies records from other sites,ie Ros Davis,he doesn't even live in Ireland." What an astonishing thing to repeat about someone who has placed his work on the people associated with a location Newtownards online. His website shows his many other interests. He is to be encouraged and he seeks improvement himself so I hope he continues his researches on Newtownards and the two other places he is interested in and gets better at it all the time. You owe him an apology, and at least spell his name right. I found several bits of information on his website I had not picked up from elsewhere .
As to where he lives, that thought has never occurred to me, and I have been in direct communication with him for a year. Really that disappoints me, Ros Davies has lived In Australia all her married life, Raymond of Raymond's Co Down website lives in Scotland, Bill McCartney, a strong contributor has lived in Canada for many years, as I have in England, Aghadowey can speak for herself.
BallyaltikilliganG
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I couldn't agree more with the previous post. We all own a tremendous debt to those people (and many others) who not only compile such research but also make it freely available to anyone who can make use of it.
Ok,I'll look on Groni. according to my records Jane's parents both died in 1868,so they were both alive when she married. Re Derek Beatie ,I was told that he just copies records from other sites,ie Ros Davis,he doesn't even live in Ireland.
I was told that it's cheaper to get certificates from Roscommon,how do I do that?
Thanks for your help
The best way to now get Northern Ireland certificates is GRONI. You just need to purchase a few credits and can then view the actual record online immediately.
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My apologies to anyone I've offended,I should not have criticized anyone,I'm very sorry.
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Hi there,
I am looking for any information on a Richard Belshaw born ~1770 Shan(k)hill, near Lurgan. This information came from his army discharge records in 1809. Its also stated he was a weaver. On discharge he moved to London, England, married and had a family, from whom I am descended. Thereafter his surname has been spelt Bellshaw. It is our understanding that his forbearers were French Huguenot refugees.
I would appreciate any help please.
Kind regards
Jocelyn
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Lurgan is County Armagh. If you click on the 'report to moderator' button, you can ask for your post to be moved to that board. Certainly, the surname was in the area in the early 1800s, and possibly earlier, for example see:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2342206&GRid=133040917&