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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Rodney53 on Sunday 20 December 15 17:57 GMT (UK)
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am trying to find the name and other details of the ship which brought Dundas Welsh (1824 - 1913) and his wife Mary Welsh, nee Waldock (1835 - 1909) from Scotland to Australia.
Dundas Welsh was born in Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland.
Mary Waldock was born in Glasgow.
They were married in Australia in 1855. (Given their age difference and marriage in Australia, they may well have eloped). Mary Waldock would have been 20 when she married, so my guess would be they left Scotland in 1854 or 1855, possibly 1853.
I've had no luck finding their ship.
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They married and died in Victoria so possibly they also arrived there. Each state and territory in Australia has it's own BDM Registry.
You can search the Assisted and Unassisted Arrivals at the Public Record Office of Victoria.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/ships-and-shipping
Cando
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Not much help but in his death notice in 1913 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199443512 it says he was a colonist of 64 years.
regards,
Ros
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They were married in Australia in 1855. (Given their age difference and marriage in Australia, they may well have eloped). Mary Waldock would have been 20 when she married, so my guess would be they left Scotland in 1854 or 1855, possibly 1853.
Often need to investigate other records to identify Mary on the shipping records. According to Mary's death registration, she was born c1837 so not 20 years of age when she married. Do you have their marriage certificate? Were either of them literate?
Death
WELSH Mary
Father David WALDOCK Mother Clira McKENZIE [Possibly Christian/Christina]
At Yan Yean 1909 72 years Reg#3569
Possibly her parents' marriage
http://www.familysearch.org
WALDOCH David
McKENZIE Christian
27 Mar 1820 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
1841 Census living at Kirk Street South Side No 2, Kirkfield, Lanarkshire
WALDOCK Christina 40 years Sawer [?Sewer] Born Lanarkshire
WALDOCK David 10 years Born Lanarkshire
WALDOCK John 8 years Born Lanarkshire
WALDOCK Mary 3 years Born Lanarkshire [Born c1838]
CALDWELL Margaret 30 years Needlework Born Scotland
1851 Census living at 24 Drygate Lane, Glasgow
GRAHAM Francis 19 years Barber [employing two men] Born Glasgow, Lanarkhire
GRAHAM Mary 20 years Barber's wife Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
GRAHAM Susan 1 year Barber's dau Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
WALDOCK Mary 15 years House Servant Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire [Born c1836]
And here is Mary with an incorrect age, arriving Victoria on the BIRMAN with the GRAHAM family. She didn't elope with Dundas WELSH
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gpj/
GRAHAM Francis L 21 JAN 1853 BIRMAN B 028/001
GRAHAM Mary Mrs 22 JAN 1853 BIRMAN B 028/001
GRAHAM Robert I JAN 1853 BIRMAN B 028/001
GRAHAM Susan 2 JAN 1853 BIRMAN B 028/001
WALDOCK Mary 13 JAN 1853 BIRMAN B 028/001
Cando
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Not much help but in his death notice in 1913 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article199443512 it says he was a colonist of 64 years.
regards,
Ros
If he arrived Victoria as an unassisted immigrant in 1849 I doubt you will find his arrival. No records for this period as it wasn't until 1852 that it was legislated for all passengers names to be recorded. Indexes at PROV for unnassisted immigrants commence in 1852.
Cando
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Well at least his birth year is correct.
WELCH Dundas
Born 15 Jun 1824
Baptised 19 Jun 1824 Bothkennar, Stirling, Scotland
Father John Mother Elisabeth FORSYTH
FHL Film Number: 1041972
Cando
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/64277359
Portland Guardian 1937
This article may be of interest as it tells of the movements of Francis Lamb GRAHAM immediately after his arrival. In Portland.
Of course we do not know whether young Mary WALDOCK stayed with the GRAHAMS after landing in VIC, but the information may come in handy for your files. ;) even if the dates are not quite correct.
Although I cannot find a birth, a four year old child of Dundas and Mary (WALDOCK) died in 1860 ( along with a two year old sister, both deaths being registered at the same time).
WELSH Christina
Father Dundas
Mother Mary
Age 4Y
Birth Place VIC
Year1860
Reg Number 5207
Sue
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Sue I think that is a different Francis L GRAHAM. He married Mary Ann GIBBONS in 1858 and Helen HUME in 1870. On the 1851 census he is living with his family in Cumberland, England and his occupation is shoemaker. He died in 1912.
Francis GRAHAM and Mary ALLAN had a number of chn in Melbourne from 1853 to 1865. This appears to be the birth of their dau Susan mentioned on the 1851 census. Francis was a barber on the 1851 census.
Birth
GRAHAM Susan
Birth 6 Mar 1850 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father Francis Mother Mary ALLAN
GS Film number 0102922-23, 0994182, 102927, 1042941
Is this Christiana's birth.
WELSH Mary
Father Dundas Mother Mary WALDOCK
At Yan Yean 1860 Reg#7526
Cando
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Yes,
It does make a bit more sense as now I properly read. The correct Francis GRAHAM was a barber not bootmaker on the ship's list ;D
Although I cannot find a birth, a four year old child of Dundas and Mary (WALDOCK) died in 1860 ( along with a two year old sister, both deaths being registered at the same time).
WELSH Christina
Father Dundas
Mother Mary
Age 4Y
Birth Place VIC
Year1860
Reg Number 5207
Sue
Is this Christiana's birth.
WELSH Mary
Father Dundas Mother Mary WALDOCK
At Yan Yean 1860 Reg#7526
Cando
She was four years old when she died in 1860
Sue
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Sue I think that is a different Francis L GRAHAM. He married Mary Ann GIBBONS in 1858 and Helen HUME in 1870. On the 1851 census he is living with his family in Cumberland, England and his occupation is shoemaker. He died in 1912.
Francis GRAHAM and Mary ALLAN had a number of chn in Melbourne from 1853 to 1865. This appears to be the birth of their dau Susan mentioned on the 1851 census. Francis was a barber on the 1851 census.
Birth
GRAHAM Susan
Birth 6 Mar 1850 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father Francis Mother Mary ALLAN
GS Film number 0102922-23, 0994182, 102927, 1042941
Cando
Just adding a link to the GRAHAM headstone in the Melbourne General Cemetery and I can't find the transcription on my resource :(.
http://billiongraves.com/record/William-Lockhead-Graham/6015916#given_names=William&family_names=Graham
Cando
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Hi Rodney53,
Well, perhaps next time you pop back online you may let us know if the findings have been of interest at all.
At least the thread has provided additional information to one online tree I saw about the family.
http://www.kempfamilyhistory.com/getperson.php?personID=I1400&tree=adkemp
You now have some immigration details and some correct ages and deaths of the first children of the couple.
The marriage certificate would be interesting. Permission would have been required for Mary WALDOCK's marriage. We wonder, was it Francis GRAHAM who gave it in lieu of her own parents?
Sue
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Australian Electoral Roll
1903
WELSH Dundas Morang Labourer
WELSH Elizabeth Morang Home duties
WELSH James Morang Farmer
WELSH Mary Morang Housekeeper
1909
WELSH Dundas Morang Labourer
WELSH Elizabeth Morang Home duties
WELSH James Morang Farmer
WELSH John Yan Yean Labourer
Cando
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I should add that I now have copy of their marriage certificate. They were married in South Melbourne at the Scots church on 29 May 1855.
Am very grateful for all help/advice/suggestions I have received through this site.
Regards.
Rodney
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Hi there,
I am sure you would have noticed that Victoria's BDM certificates are very very detailed. Perhaps you could type the details from the mc.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
JM
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Never heard of Dundas used as a first name, if it's not a family name (his granny was a Dundas?) he's probably named for Henry Dundas the politician who ran Scotland for 30 years around that time. Dundas has the emphasis on the second sylable. ;D
Skoosh.
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Never heard of Dundas used as a first name, if it's not a family name (his granny was a Dundas?) he's probably named for Henry Dundas the politician who ran Scotland for 30 years around that time. Dundas has the emphasis on the second sylable. ;D
Skoosh.
Not only have I have two ancestors with Dundas as a first given name, you will also find several on the various State BDM Indexes in Australia ;D ;D.
Cando
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Hello all,
Just reread this thread and see I was remiss about acknowledging how helpful the Kemp(e) family account of the Welshes was in confirming much of the Story of the Dundas Welsh family in Victoria. There does seem to be plenty of evidence of their part in 19th century Victoria.
Many thanks.
Rodney53