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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Graveyards and Gravestones => Topic started by: Retriever on Tuesday 29 December 15 14:33 GMT (UK)
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If anyone is going to Brockley cemetery and could check the back of a headstone in the hope that the grave number is there, I would be most grateful.
Looking at the cemetery map the headstone is in the circular part of the cemetery, near to Brockley lodge. It is in A-con next to section P-con and I believe the headstone is near to the path and facing section K.
The first name on the headstone is Elric Hill died 1892 together with Ann Caroline (1902), Elric John (1915) and Annie Emilie (1931).
As already said, I am only interested in a grave number which hopefully is etched on the back.
Many thanks
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I can possibly do it over the next few days.
Don't expect too much, the cemetery is not in the best state.
If you have a grave location map (as opposed to a general map of the cemetery, any chance of emailing it to me in advance please?)
Phil
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Many thanks for getting back to me. Sorry I only have the general cemetery map which somebody kindly sent me.
Do you have access to Ancestry? If so, if you search for Elric Hill died 1892 and go to the tree owner Pillow George 08 you will find under the death section a picture of the map with Hill marked. There is also a photo of the headstone which is quite distinctive.
Regards
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Sorry, I should have said that I am in contact with the Tree owner on Ancestry.
He doesn't know the grave/plot number either as I believe he was given the photo.
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I went up to Brockley earlier today. Luckily, my Ancestry sub doesn't run out until tonight, so I was able to see the map and photo.
Although the headstone isn't marked and there is no kerb either, I have no doubts that it is Grave A.713 (Consecrated). I managed to trace the row from A.708 to A.717 and the number of graves tally. A.708. 710, 712 and 717 are all marked.
Since returning, I see that you have another thread running. I take it that this is not your family grave and that there is some confusion over the numbering. I probably won't be returning to Brockley in the near future, ( I'm working on Greenwich Cemetery at the moment), but if you could give me the details of your family grave, including the location, I may be able to help you without walking the ground.
By the way, the numbers on the NWKFHS transcripts are irrelevant. They were given by the original author for his own use. It is rarely that more than three or four graves in a row have consecutive numbers, although I have used them in the past to locate graves.
Phil
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Barbara,
It's been a long time since I tried to attach a photo on RC, but here's hoping.
Do you recognise these two headstones?
Phil
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I don't know how I missed the Howard grave yesterday!
I was searching for a while today, until I decided to go back to the Hill grave and start from there - I couldn't believe it when it was right in front of me.
It looks like the whole of that side of the path has identically numbered graves in both rows. There are probably a good dozen, or more. Although not perfectly, they do line up, number for number. I did take a photo almost head on, if you want it.
It is possible, I suppose, that they started off as double length graves. Maybe they didn't sell. Alternatively, the council may have decided to cram an extra row in. It is hard to tell, being in Plot A, but the front kerb on your grave has No. 713 A on it. This may be just the plot reference, or it may be to differentiate it from the Hill grave. A couple of the other graves in the front row still have traces of their numbers on the kerb, but I couldn't see an A on them.
Phil
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Hi Phil, many thanks for that. Yes that is them. I didn't notice the kerb lettering.
From what you say this might not be an isolated case. What have I started!!!
Will have to give this more thought on whether to take it up with Lewisham. Don't think they would be thrilled to hear from me.
Barbara
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Phil, I've been looking at the kerbstone photo and it seems to me that there is a faint N followed by 713 with A underneath.
This is what appears on the back of the headstone.
If I am right, it must be the missing N in the records that has caused the confusion.
Barbara
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Barbara,
What is missing is the lower case "o". It is easy to see where it has fallen off on the full res photo. and matches with other grave reference lettering elsewhere. If it was just an upper case "N", it would refer to Plot N, which is a long way away. As I said, looking at all the graves in those two rows along the path, the numbers duplicate. I didn't map them all out, but probably from about 700 to 715. The directions you gave me, were to a separate section of Plot A, this is not the case. The Howard grave is directly in front of the Hill grave and from these and the others adjacent, it would appear that they were originally envisaged as enlarged plots, but subsequently it was decided to make them into two graves. There is no walkway between them - the foot of one touches the head of the other. If you have access to Deceased Online, try Florence Ivy Lainson and Maggie May Larking (A.714).
Phil
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Virtually head on view, showing the four graves (A.713 and A.714), mentioned above.
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Hi Phil. I have looked at Maggie May Larking and Florence Ivy Lainson on Deceased and apparently they both have eleven others with them!
I cannot tell from looking at Deceased what the plot numbers are without having to buy credits, so will take your word for it that the four graves in the picture are as you say. I did look at the picture of the Howard grave earlier and thought that the one behind looked like the Hills' but put it down to coincidence.
The Hill's grave would appear to be wrongly marked on Ancestry. I definitely wrote down N713a from the back of the Howard's headstone when I visited in 2014. Hopefully I haven't slipped up. Where does the o come from?
Many thanks to you for all your help on this, I really do appreciate it. I think you have well and truly answered my questions.
Regards Barbara
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I have been trying to find out before I visit Brockley cemetery, do they allow you to take photographs of gravestones? As on their website they say you have to get permission first.
I have seen this before when looking online for information about graveyards, and can't understand why there would be any restrictions on taking photographs of gravestones. I have no idea what the issues are.
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I don't think there are any restrictions on taking photos for your own personal use.
Perhaps there are if there is a professional use involved.