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Can anyone point out where I might be going wrong.
I have an entry for 55 Hopwood Street Liverpool ( a death in 1888) but despite having access to both the 1881 and 1891 censuses I can only find entries for even numbers on that street.
What am I doing wrong
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In 1891 try looking for James Jackson b 1847 Liverpool RG12 Piece 2903 Folio 71 Page 5 which should lead to the odd numbers of the street in a different Ed from the evens numbers. No 55 should be over the page - Stephen Jennings age 40 b Ireland and family
Kay
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In 1881 look for Jane Mc Nee b 1840 Isle of Man with husband James who are living at 55 Hopwood St
RG11 Piece: 3600 Folio: 41 Page: 10 As in 1891 the Enumeration District included only one side of Hopwood Street. :)
I searched for the address of FindMyPast which allows for an address search
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Thanks....will go looking
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Thanks again. No new information but always adds additional detail.
Still no idea of why Henry Shumackers death notice says he died at 55 Hopwood, no idea what they were doing there. Don't know where he and Catherine were in 1881. They obviously liked moving around
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Are you sure this is the right death?
There is a Henry Frederick Shumacher a Cooper married a Catherine Baker 10.4.1878 St Andrew Holborn suggests a birth of c.1855 Father same name a Publican.
There is a death for a Henry Frederick Schumacher 1893 Camberwell birth c. 1855?
Jennifer
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Reasonably certain this is the correct death. Wife's name correct and former address given as Glasgow where I would expect them to be.
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Do you know when he was born, do you have them on any census, what was his occupation?
Jennifer
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A previous thread on the family may help http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=593520.msg4448673#msg4448673
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Thanks for this Kay...
Was trying to figure out how to link.
Previous posts have given the details, didn't mean to set the hare running again. This query was specifically about the Liverpool address and searching the census......free access this weekend on findmypast ;D ;D
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Is there a Liverpool sugar connection? See Schumachers, Schuhmakers and Schumakers here. See Daniel of 16 Hopwood Street. Also mentions John Sass of 43 Hopwood Street:
http://www.mawer.clara.net/sugarssac.html
Blue
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Tate and Lyle had a big factory in Liverpool.
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Henry was a sugar boiler.
That's why they moved around so much, Cork, Greenock, London, Southampton.
I have lost them in 1881. He died in Liverpool in 1883
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Are there any clues on Henry's will?
Jennifer
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Good question.
Don't have access to my files at the moment. I think I have the will of Henry Shumacker the son (b1846) but now you have mentioned it I don't think I have the will of Henry senior b1819, d1883
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Fairly sure I do not have a will for Henry d 1883 only his son Henry testament 1899
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Thank you, Blue :)
Hopwood St at that time lined with courts, cellar dwellings, and landing houses ... very poor living conditions ... must have been difficult to enumerate.
(See: Liverpool, Our City, Our Heritage by Freddy O'Connor - excellent book)
No employee lists survived, but sugar labourers from Hopwood St would have walked to work coming to Fairrie's, Vauxhall Rd, and Jager's, Burlington St, before reaching Henry Tate's, Love Lane (became T&L in 1921).
I'd be interested in any other Henry sugar info, please, curiousgeorge. I have him in London (and Southampton from RC). Do you have references to him working sugar in Greenock, Liverpool and Cork ?
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Don't have access to my records at the moment. I will see what I have .
I definitely have him in Southampton and Glasgow.
In Glasgow he was on Craighill Rd in 1872
He died in Hopwood St Liverpool 1883 or 1888, never can remember.
He was married in Cork in 1844 and had two or three children there
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Just found a Henry Shenmacker renting in Friars Walk, St Nicholas Parish Cork, again within walking distance of refinery and cathedral so a definite possibility.
Henry married Catherine Johnson. Her father was listed as a Brewer on her death certificate.
Would there have been a connection between Brewers and sugar boilers? I am thinking fermentation.....
Evans Thwaites refinery was close by. Also Samuel Abbot brewery.
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In Liverpool Central Library Archive now Ancestry Tracing for my tree.
As I had the 1888 Gores Street/Surname Directory out had a quick look for you.
There is a Carl Schumacher sugar boiler at 24 Barlow St
Daniel Schumacher sugar boiler at 50 Rockingham St
Louis Schumacher sugar boiler at 201 Athol St
Otto Schumacher sugar boiler at 56 Hopwood St
The 1891 Census RG12/2903 En. Dist 4 for 56 Hopwood St Private House 4 rooms shows Otto Schumacher age 34 Married Dock Labourer Born Hamburg, Germany
Wife Jessie age 34 born Liverpool
Son Frederick age 8
Servant: Annie Howard Aged 19
Would suggest your relative Henry Schumacher died at 56 not 55 while staying with a relative.?
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Worth following up certainly. Thanks
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Otto's father was Friedrich
Marriage: 12 Dec 1881 St Peter, Everton, Lancashire, England
Otto Schumacher - 25, Labourer, Bachelor, 24 Barlow Street
Jessie Allen - 23, Spinster, 24 Barlow Street
Groom's Father: Frederick Schumacher, Coachman
Bride's Father: Charles Allen, Butler
Witness: William Garner; Jane Stobie
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Thanks for this....I WILL connect them all one day ;D
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Following up this thread I am thinking out loud to see if anyone can shed some light.
I have lots of leads for Shumackers in Liverpool and Glasgow. At this time I am following up the Cork leads and I am unfamiliar with the Irish records.
Henry Shenmacher Friars Walk, Cork, Griffiths valuation 1852
Henry was a sugar boiler. He died in Liverpool in 1883, probate granted to widow 25 January 1884, in Liverpool.
According to my records a Henry Schumacher married Catherine (Kate) Johnston in St Finn Barr’s 1st December 1844 ( substantiated by subsequent birth certs in Scotland & England and an entry in Cork newspaper under Sochomorker)
If this is the same family I would expect them to have three children born 1846-1852 in this parish, St Nicholas, before moving to England around 1857.
The cathedral tells me that they do not have records for this period. Would there be separate records for St Nicholas?
I seem so close yet cannot find any records for their children born in Cork. Subsequent censuses all give their birthplaces as Cork.