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Looking for Samuel Shaw and wife Mary. Samuel had a son born 16 Feb 1818 by the name of James. James married Grace Clingan. They came to Wisconsin USA in 1855. On cemetery stone it reads James Shaw Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland. It said on stone for Grace 1824/10/2 for birth. It also mentions Parton,Kirkcudbright,Scotland on some information. I cannot find Samuel or Mary on any documents in Scotland. It states in a book here in USA that Samuel was a livestock buyer in Scotland and died in Scotland.
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Hi Shaw Clingan
What is your source for the names of James' parents?
With Grace, you mention you have a specific birth date from her stone. This was the only Grace I could see so far on the 1841 census before her marriage to James Shaw:
Andrew Clingan 30 grocer and publican
Janet Clingan 20
Grace Clingan 15
Andrew Mcgeorge 14 Days
Robert Armstrong 13 male servant
Address: Village, Kirkpatrick Durham
The 1841 census is the most limited in terms of all the census. Ages for those over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, those under 15 were supposed to show at their actual age. For example, the Grace above could have been been anywhere between 15-19. Relationships within the households were also not given normally.
Monica
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A number of online trees showing for the family on a/try such as here http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/74728293/person/36315211933/facts
Nothing really jumping out so far on the early names of James and Grace's children so far. Looking to see whether there was any form of Scottish naming pattern being used. See here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
From their Scottish 1851 entry before they left for the US, just for ref here:
James Shaw 32 Farmer About 70 Acres Employing 2 Labr
Grace Glover Shaw 26
Nicholas Shaw 5 daughter
James Shaw 4
Jessie Shaw 2 (is a common variant of Janet)
William Shaw 11 Months
Grace Laing 11 visitor b. Cotland, kirkcudbr
...2 labs
Address: Lother Laggan, Parton
Monica
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1841 census has a Samuel Shaw age 50 in Kirkpatrick Fleming - he is farmer. Noting your names in the above census, Monica, I note that Nichlos Shaw 50 also in household as is James Shaw age 20 Address Boghall
1851 has Samuel age 64 at same address, a farmer of 40 acres. Nicholas is recorded as his wife.
They are living at Crocketford in 1861- a niece Grace Laing is also with them ( b Muirkirk Ayrshire)
William
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Thanks William :)
So, James's daughter Nicholas likely called after his mother. The visitor in 1851 with James and wife Grace then connects well with that 1861 census entry you mention with a Grace Laing showing as niece.
Monica
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An entry in Find a Grave gives James Shaw's place of birth as Kirkpatrick Fleming.
Trees on Ancestry have Nicholas Shaw's maiden name as Laing although I cannot yet see her
marriage to Samuel.
William
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Dumfries and Galloway Standard 24 May 1865 has a death notice for Samuel Shaw - on 16th instant at Crocketford late farmer Boghall Kirkpatrick Durham aged 82 years.
William
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Hopefully, from what you have found William, Samuel's death registration will help in confirming his wife's maiden name.
As an aside for a moment to do with Grace Glover Clingan. She certainly liked to use her middle name of Glover. As we know, this the use of a surname as a middle name is often that of an important family member. There is a John Clingan and a Grizzel Glover having children in the right time frame to fit with being potential grandparents to Grace. Or also a Grissel Glover born in 1777. All in Kirkcudbrightshire. Grace and Grizzel are first name variants, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=grace
Monica
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A little more on the Clingan side...Guesses really unless we can find something definitive to firm up.
We had a possible 1841 census entry for a Grace Clingan aged 15. Andrew who showed as head, a brother maybe?
From 1851:
Andrew Clingan 41 Grocer And Innkeeper b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
Janet Clingan 29 housekeeper, sister b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
Andrew C Mcgeorge 8 nephew b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
James C Egan 2 nephew b. Kirkpat, kirkcud
Mary McKen 17 servant
Address: Main Street, Kirkpatrick Village
Wondered whether this could be a possible birth entry for Andrew for example here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMG-C94 Also, Janet sister https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY73-CLZ
I think Andrew married later in life https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTR3-5FS and in 1861, Andrew with new wife and mother Janet:
Andrew Clingan 51 General Merchant
Mary Clingan 40 wife
Margaret J B Clingan 1 daughter
Janet Clingan 75 mother b. Kirkmahoe, Dumfrieshire
Margaret Whitenight 18 servant
James Gibson 37 lodger
Address: Temperance Hotel, Kirkpatrick Durham
Monica
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There is a will on SP for Andrew Clingan - merchant village of Kirkpatrick Durham d 26/04/1877 at Kirkpatrick Durham testate.
And one for Mary Clingan or Grierson, Kirkpatrick Durham d 17/10/1895 at Kirkpatrick Durham intestate.
William
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William, how accurate this is here http://host-92-19-214-26.static.as13285.net/fam50546.htm is hard to say...
Monica
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Monica. There is a Clingan thread in the Kirkcudbright boards - might it be worth providing a link?(Don't know how to do it myself!)
Also courtesy of google there is an old thread from 2007 re Clingans in Kirkpatrick Durham.
William
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These?
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=702244.0
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=221860.0
The first one is really useful as it includes:
Below is a reply I posted yesterday on the Boards at Ancestry regarding the Grace G Clingan.
Is this the same search? The original post was dated 10 January 2013.
Hi
I have just come across your post & may have some info for you.
There is a book of Monumental Inscriptions that relate to the Parish of Kirkpatrick Durham,in Kirkcudbrightshire,Scotland.
I believe that entry No121, shown below may relate to the parents of your Grace Glover Clingan.
John CLINGEN mason (in 1802) in Knockwalloch d 26.6.1853 81yrs.
imo dau Margt d 14.1.1802 13mths, dau Martha d 20.4.1802 4yrs.
Wife Martha HEIGHLE d 17.5.1802 33yrs,
2nd wife Janet WILSON d 9.6.1862 76yrs.
On the reverse of the headstone is the following.
O Death,Youth,Beauty,Virtue,Blooming Hope
Lies here,a Victim to thy Rage.
For here we lie,no human Skill
Nor Medicine could relieve,
Affliction long,with Spirit meek with Patience great we bore.
We lived in Love and died in Hope
To meet and part no more.
James SHAW and Grace CLINGEN, son William d 22.11.1854, 4 1/2 yrs.
Regds Matt
Well spotted, William :)
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Grace Clingan and Andrew Clingan were brother and sister. Grissel is Grace. John and Janet are parents. Grace is a relative to my family of Shaw. James Shaw was her husband and they came to the area I live in 1855.
Well, at least we all reached the same conclusions on the Clingan side, Shaw ;)
Hopefully some new details also too here on the Shaw side to follow up further.
Monica
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Thanks, Monica. Yes those are the ones I saw. The book referred to does come up on Google books but not to view - pity!
William
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Think we need a little more direction now on where the searches need to go on the Shaw side...
This was the original post to get back to basics:
Looking for Samuel Shaw and wife Mary. Samuel had a son born 16 Feb 1818 by the name of James. James married Grace Clingan. They came to Wisconsin USA in 1855. On cemetery stone it reads James Shaw Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland. It said on stone for Grace 1824/10/2 for birth. It also mentions Parton,Kirkcudbright,Scotland on some information. I cannot find Samuel or Mary on any documents in Scotland. It states in a book here in USA that Samuel was a livestock buyer in Scotland and died in Scotland.
From what we have seen, Samuel Shaw was a farmer at Boghall. Livestock buyer would fit with the occupation of farmer. He shows in Crocketford at the time of his death. His death registration will be available to view on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk This should include his spouse(s) names and his parents' names if known to the informant to his death. If Nicholas, wife died in Scotland, her details will also include her parents' names if known to the informant.
We are seeing his wife as Nicholas, not Mary. He may have been married prior to Nicholas.
Going out sideways with siblings can sometimes help with different type of connected info re parents etc ( CAMPBELL, Robert - M11/12/1846 - At Boghall, Kirkpatrick Durham, on the 11th inst., by the Rev. Mr Greig, Mr Robert Campbell, farmer, Duchrae Mains, to Miss Margaret, second daughter of Mr Samuel Shaw, farmer, Boghall. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ainsty/wfp/marriages/3.html)
Monica
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My source for James parents is a source from a biography on our county in USA
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My Wisconsin USA records show 6 children born to James and Grace Shaw in Scotland
Nicholas 4/12/1845, James 10/6/1846, Jessie 9/18/1848, William 4/16/1850 who died 11/22/1864,
Grace 10/3/1852 and Martha 8/12/1854.
Also in USA Wisconsin we have 5 children for James and Grace
William 1/10/1857, John10/31/1858, Samuel E. 3/11/1861, Mary 3/21/1863 and Jane 4/23/1866.
James died in 11/7/1880 and Grace died 1902 (parents)
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Please forgive me if my posting are not great, new at this
Here is a photo of Glover Grace Clingan that was found on Geni sight.
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cemetery stone
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birth date on Geni is wrong for Glover
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Thanks for adding the extra images and info. Also adding this link for a little more details for this post http://forums.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137260044
We naturally have not seen your reference material that you have access to, but just trying to work through with you what is available online on Scottish records.
Are you happy with the Clingan side for the family of Grace? I certainly would be up to the period of her parents, John Clingan and Janet Wilson. Just a note from that gravestone (might just be a type that you had). The Clingan stone states that James and Grace's son died in 1854 rather than 1864.
Regarding the Shaw side for James, hopefully with the details above, you will have greater confidence that you are on the right track for James' parents with Samuel and Nicholas. You have census details now and likely death registration for Samuel to check on to help you further with your research.
Monica
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For James Shaw the 1841census for Samuel Shaw shows James as 20 but it does not add up to his birth for 1818 which is when my James Shaw was born. Am I just reading something Wrong
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Standard History of Waupaca County Wisconsin by John M. Wade 1917 shows Samuel with wife Mary so this is why I get confused about Samuel with wife Nicholas.
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For information-- this is a page from the book "Standard History of Waupaca County Wisconsin by John M. Wade 1917 "
http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/wch/id/43782/show/43607/rec/12
Rgds Matt
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Thank you for this, only had half of it. Could not find death notice for James Shaw. There is a wonder about his parents bring Samuel and Mary or Samuel and Nicholas.
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I found a Samuel Shaw 1841 census Scotland with place of birth as Kirkcudbrightshire. county Kirkcudbrightshire, estimated birth 1791,parish Kirkpatrick Durham.
Also found Mary Shaw, born Scotland,parish Kirkmabreck, county Kirkcudbrightshire and estimated birth 1792.
Could these two be the parents of James Shaw.
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James Shaw and Grace Glover Clingan were my husband's 2nd great grandparents. These are links to their Find A Grave memorials that I posted:
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137260096
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137260044
I have the information that I've been able to find on Ancestry (US). I am trying to find more information on the Shaw and Clingan families.
Does anyone know if Grace's middle name (Glover) is a surname and which family that might be? My husband's family had a tradition of naming every other generation (girls) were named Glover. My husband's grandmother and his sister both are named Glover.
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Re the origin of the Glover name, as Monica pointed out earlier in the thread, there are a couple of baptisms in Crossmichael, an adjacent parish to Kirkpatrick Durham.
e.g William Clingan 28 October 1766 Parents John Clingan and Grissel Glover.
I note that in the 1841 census there is this entry in Kirkpatrick Durham
William Clingan 70
Mary Clingan 55
Grizzel Clingan 18
Alexander Clingan 15
Agnes Clingan 7
This might be the same William Clingan but hard to prove (note that adult ages are normally rounded down to the nearest multiple of five in 1841).
The 1841 census also has in Kirkpatrick Durham
Janet Clingan b 1876 Scotland
John Laurie B 1830 Kirkcudbrightshire
And in 1851 there is
John Clingan b 1773 mason b Kirkaptrick Durham
Janet Clingan b 1778 wife b Kirkmahoe Dumfriesshire
Janet's details in 1851 do match up with the Janet Clingan showing as Andrew Clingan's mother in the 1861 census. I cannot see a death for John Clingan and so suspect his death was between 1851 and 1855 when stat. reg. began in Scotland.
There seem to be two issues which need to be resolved (if possible!)
1. The apparent discrepancy in the birth date of Grace Glover Clingan between the birth date given for the daughter of John Clingan and Janet Wilson and the date showing on her gravestone.
2. The identity of Samuel Shaw's wife. Nicholas/Mary may be one and the same, Mary being a middle name for example but hard to prove. The book from Wisconsin states that Samuel's widow went there after her husband's death and died there. Might it be worth looking at passenger lists for her?
It may also be worth downloading some records from Scotland's People (it is a pay per view site). My suggestions would be
1. Look at baptisms of the children of James Shaw and Grace Clingan from the Old parish Records.
Sometimes there can be more detail than can be found using familysearch.
2. The death record for Samuel Shaw (should give parent's names, wifes name - the informant's name might also be instructive).
3. The death record for Janet Clingan
4. The will for Andrew Clingan might prove that he was Grace's brother if she is named in it.
5. The death record for Andrew Clingan.
Apologies for such a long post. This is an intriguing puzzle!
William
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I am from Wisconsin so have information here for James Shaw family but have been looking for Samuel and Mary Shaw parents of James
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Checked cemetery here in Wisconsin and found picture of new stone for Grace Glover Shaw
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1860 census for Mukwa,Waupaca,Wisconsin shows Jas Shaw for James Shaw and Gris Shaw for Grace Clingan Shaw. And for their daughter Grace it shows Gris.
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Here are 4 more MI's at Kirkpatrick Durham cemetery that relate to the Clingan family.
Hope this is of some help.
No 93
In Memory Of, John Clingan of Pipercroft
died 15 April 1809 age 72 years.
His wife Grizel Glover,died 18 july 1826 age 89.
William Clingan in Pipercroft
died 29 January 1859 age 93.
Wife Mary Duff died 25 December 1856 age 76.
Son Robert died 16 August 1817 age 2 years.
On reverse of stone
Said William Clingan,daughter Grace
died at Maxwelltown 2 May 1897 age 78.
No 94
In Memory of,John Clingan,
died 14 August 1794 age 91.
Wife Janet Todd died 10 November 1798 age 87.
Son Alex died 21 April 1817 age 75.
Son Thomas died 6 February 1829 age 98.
On reverse of stone
Sarah Clingan died Corsehill
17 February 1857 age 81.
Sister Agnes Clingan died Corsehill
17 February 1860 age 79.
No 122
Maggie Jane Clingan died Kirkpatrick Durham
11September 1893 age 34.
Husband Dr John Meggat MB CM
Died 15 January 1896 age 46.
No 123
Erected by
A Clingan.
John Clingan & Janet Wilson
In memory of children
Alex & David Lamont died 12 August 1822
in infancy.
G Daughter Jessie Laurie died 23 May 1830
1 year & 6 mths.
Daughter Martha died Old Green Law
16 June 1830 age 24 (Husband Alex Laurie)
Son James died Annan 30 November 1833
interred here.( wife Mary
Grierson died Kirkpatrick Durham 17 October
1895 age 75.
Son James Grierson died Kirkcudbright
33 March 1934 age 73.)
No 124
James Sanders died Crocketford 10 October 1865
age 46.
His wife Agnes Clingan died 15 October 1865
age 47.
Son James died 19 August 1863 age 18.
Son Andrew died 26 April 1877 age 68.
Rgds Matt
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Very interesting, Matt. The first stone would appear to confirm the Glover connection. The address in the 1841 census I quoted for William Clingan is Pipercroft.
Don't suppose there is an MI for Samuel Shaw?
William
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LovelandCO
The Shaws that I talk about are in my family history and I am doing more research for my mom on this.
I live in the area where James Shaw and wife Grace (Clingan) came to in 1855. Grace died at the home of her son William and James died at the old homestead here in Mukwa,New London Wi. They had all told more than 500 acres here. Most of the graves are at Floral Hill Cemetery in New London Wi.
My Shaw family intertwines with the Sewall family in New London and other areas. I found a map for 1878 Mukwa Wi and it shows the area James and Grace owned. Do not know if you have this information but just wanted to sent it along.
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There is an MI at Urr Cemetery which reads as follows...
No 271
Samuel Shaw died at Crocketford 16 May 1865 aged 78 years.
His wife Nicholas LAING died Oshkosh,West Cousin,
N. America 25 March 1869 age 68 years.
Rgds Matt
PS my records show i have a photo of this stone but it may
be awhile before I can get it.
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Thank you, Matt. Presumably West Cousin is Wisconsin! It would seem to point to this being the correct couple. There cannot be many widows of Samuel Shaw from Kirkcudbrightshire who died in Wisconsin in the 1860's!
William
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How about this for passenger list?
Arrival New York 19 Sep 1868
Mrs N Shaw Scottish
Birth date c 1790
Age 78
Ship Britannia
From Glasgow via Londenderry
Looks to be travelling with Mary Bennett age 54
From the US Censuses
1860 2nd ward Oshkosh City
Mary Bennett 37 f b Scotland
Samuel Shaw 18 m b Scotland
Nickliss Bennett 5 f b Wisconsin
(Wonder if Samuel Shaw is the Samuel McGuffie recorded as grandson of Samuel and Nicholas Shaw in the 1851 census) I believe Mary Bennet is the eldest daughter of Samuel Shaw and Nicholas Laing.
1870 census Oshkosh ward 2
Mary Bennette f 55 keeping house b Scotland
Nicholas Bennette 15 at home Wisconsin ( here showing as male but that could be explained through enumerator error/ assumptions).
1880 census Oshkosh
Mary Bennett 64 widowed Keeping house b Scotland
Lastly just in case you have not seen it the will of James Shaw is on Ancestry in the Wisconsin wills data set. It is a very extensive set of documents.
William
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Thank you so much Matt for the information
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I have a Grace Laing as a niece visiting James and Grace in Scotland 1851 census born Cotland
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Thank you Millmoor.
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picture of Jessie and Glover
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Jessie
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Not really sure if that is Glover,Mr.Thompson was married twice. There is a Glover Furbish and a Clara Furbish on same lot, together
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SORRY-it is Clare for husband. So confusing at times.
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Elrina,daughter of Glover
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William Furbish
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If you google Samuel Shaw Crandon there is a lot of information about him. He is described as the "father of Crandon". His biography states he was born 25 November 1842 in Kirkpatrick village in the lowlands of Scotland and came to the United States in the summer of 1852. He was clearly a driven man and highly successful.
William
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The Samuel Shaw I talk about died in Scotland. Is Samuel Shaw Crandon related.
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I think he is the Samuel Shaw I quoted in the 1860 US census with Mary Bennet and probably her illegitimate son. His occupation is teacher. You can follow him in the further censuses. I think he is the Samuel McGuffie recorded as grandson of Samuel and Nicholas Shaw in the 1851 census in Kirkpatrick Durham.
William
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Thank you
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Just found a hard to read newspaper article on Mary Bennett from Oct.18, 1898 that said of her death and estate. Dealing with that all creditors to be present. Says all claims and demands against her will be received, examined and adjusted before the court, courthouse in the city of Oshkosh. On the application of Samuel Shaw, administrator of the estate of Mary Bennett,late of the city of Oshkosh,in said county, deceased, no one having required the appointment of commissioners on said estate.
This article was for probate in the matter of the estate of Mary Bennett.
Had hard time reading it, not the original article from regular paper. Oshkosh Northwestern
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I think a possible scenario is that his sisters Mary and Janet (note various spellings of her name) and Mary's son Samuel travelled to Wisconsin before James , probably in 1852. Mary married a Mr Bennett and Janet married Henry Poppy.
Page 1773 of the History of Wisconsin has this regarding Henry and Janet's son
Henry Poppy (known as Harry) "... was one of the actual pioneers of Forest County....his first work as a pioneer settler in this vicinity was for his cousin Samuel Shaw in clearing a little farm... Harry Poppy was born at Oshkosh Wisconsin May 10 1858, a son of Henry and Jenette (Shaw) Poppy. His father was born in England and his mother in Scotland and they were married after coming to America."
Henry Poppy senior died in 1890 and Janet Shaw Poppy d April 13 1908 in New London. You can find their graves on Find a Grave. Isn't google wonderful!
William
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Millmoor
I found a tree for Poppy and Jeanette Shaw last night and was wondering about it but think you cleared it up.Thank you. On this Poppy sight it lists Samuel Shaw and Mary(unknown) with children: Mary, Margaret, James and Jeanette. Says Jeanette W. Shaw. Found the graves. . born 1827 Kirkcubbright. No one seems to know much about Samuel's wife Mary. These are records I wish I could find in Scotland but looked on some census and could not find the family. Wonder if I am doing it wrong. I wonder what the W for Jeanette means.
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Millmoor
I went through a 1893 Oshkosh Wi. directory and found Mary Bennett, widow of James, residing at 90 Harney. Also Bennett Sisters,residing at 347 Main,selling notions and dry goods. Names with this place are Jennie M Bennett and Martha B. Bennett. Also Sarah Bennett, widow of Richard, residing at 347 Main. Wonder if this is the Mary Bennett from the Shaw family. What do you think?
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Hi
Very difficult to say if the Mary Bennett in the directory is the correct one. The last record I can see for her is the 1880 census where her address is given as East Pearl Street. ( I don't have your local knowledge !).
Re Henry Poppy senior. He left a will which is on Ancestry and again is very detailed. James Shaw and William Shaw are named in it.
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I think all the evidence that has now been provided for you shows that the parents of James, Mary and Janet Shaw(as well as Margaret who I cannot locate after her marriage) were Samuel Shaw and Nicholas Laing. I feel that Nicholas was also known as Mary - the only other possible explanation is that she was a stepmother (ie Samuel's second wife).
William
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Re Post No 35 I have just entered the photo of the headstone for Samuel Shaw onto Find A Grave,
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Shaw&GSiman=1&GScid=2406466&GRid=158024640&
Also please amend the age of death for Nicholas from 68 to 78 years.
Matt.
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Hopefully some could let me know if this is the correct Samuel and Nicholas Shaw, I feel it is because their is a Grace Laing on 1861 census for Samuel, Nicholas, and a Grace Laing age 18,says niece on record. Shows Samuel age 74 and Nicholas age 70. On 1841 census says Robert Laing age 40 with William 7, Grace 2 and Mary 10.Address is Bridge House,county Ayrshire.
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Thank you Matt
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Also have 1861 census for Samuel Shaw 1787 with Nicholas on it and he is listed as retired farmer.
Said he was born Balmaclellan. This is same as Matt has for cemetery picture.
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Needed to say that all this information is so great I and am so thankful for the people who are helping in this. My mom asked me to do some more history on the Shaw family. She is 91 years old. She found the information I started out with from my grandmother when she passed. She will be so over joyed when she sees what I have now because of beautiful people who are helping on this site.
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sorry for any misspelling or extra words that do not belong in a sentence. My computer is old and buttons stick
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Had some credits for SP - here is the information from Samuel Shaw's death certificate
Samuel Shaw retired farmer married to Nicholas Laing died 1865 18th May at 7 am at Crocketford age 82 Parents Samuel Shaw shepherd deceased and Janet Shaw maiden surname Gibson deceased Cause of death senile decay not certified no medical attendant Informant William Crinie (surname difficult to make out) neighbour present.
There is something written beside the age of 82 years but I cannot make it out .
William
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On the 9th February 1792 the Rev James Thomson, Minister of the parish of Balmaclellan carried
out a census of his parish.
One family living at Barbshalloch No2 is .....
Samuel Shaw age 42
Janet Gibson age 30
William Shaw age 10
Samuel Shaw age 6
Ann Smith age 60.
No further detail given,but this would appear to be Samuel Shaw & Janet Gibson the parents recorded in the death record above.
Rgds Matt
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For parent Samuel Shaw it reads shepard after-what does this mean .Is it a title or name connected to Shaw last name.
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That was his occupation - looked after sheep. Much of the terrain in Kirkcudbrightshire is hilly and, accordingly, there is a lot of livestock farming.
William
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I found Samuel Shaw senior on site that says he was born Jan. 19.1748. Parents: Katherine Fergusson and David Shaw. This Samuel died Oct.28, 1809, age 61. Curry,Balmaclellan. Sons John 5/1/1782 and Samuel 1787. I am going to try to locate David and Katherine.
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Found a David Shaw 12/13/1730 Ayshire. Parents John 32 and Margaret28. Wonder if these are right for Samuel's father David.
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One thing to remember is that the Old Parish Records in Scotland are very patchy in their coverage. I think it might be difficult to prove that David Shaw was the father of your Samuel Shaw. The birth of a Samuel Shaw Jan 19 1748 was in the parish of Kells - it names the father as David Shaw but not his mother. There is a marriage in Kells in 1735 of a David Shaw and a Katherine Fergusson - I suspect it has been inferred from this that they were his parents but as I say the further back you go in Scotland the more problematic it becomes. ( The birth you found in Ayrshire is unlikely as he would be too young).
Which site did you find the information about David Shaw on? I wonder what their source is for Samuel Shaw's death in 1809.
I think you can be confident of having the correct family as far back as Samuel Shaw/ Janet Gibson. As I say anything before that will be difficult to prove (and can I say that this is further back than I have got with my own family and I am a Scot!).
William
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Was hoping to go far back but like you say maybe that is it. Thank you for information.
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Found information for Mary Shaw Bennett, daughter to Nicholas ( Mary) Laing Shaw and Samuel Shaw.. Mary went to Oshkosh in 1852 with son Samuel Shaw. Mary married James Bennett and they had a child Nickliss (Nellie) in 1854. Nellie married Jessie Charles Osborne 23 Dec. 1876. Oshkosh. Nellie died in 1951. Mary Shaw Bennett died 17 Sept. 1898. Nicholas Laing Shaw died in Oshkosh 25 March 1863. Samuel, son of Mary Shaw Bennett, married Laura Webb in Fond du Lac Wisconsin and they lived in Omro until moving to Madison Wisconsin where he was a teacher at the high school. By 1900 they lived in Crandon Wisconsin with children. He founded Crandon Wisconsin. In 1910 Samuel was a lawyer. He also founded the Forest Republican newspaper in Crandon.
On 1860 census for Oshkosh it shows Mary Bennett age 37, Samuel Shaw age 18 and Nickliss Bennett age 5.
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Hi Shaw Clingan,
My line of Shaw came from Parton and Balmaclellan and Kells areas of Kirkcudbrightshire. Not fully read all on this topic.
Regards
Tom Shaw
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Hello Shaw Clingan.
I am going to add my penny's worth and it is probably going to be useless but here goes...
My paternal side - the Murray family - married into the Shaw family at around about 1830 to 1833. James Murray and Elizabeth Shaw; their oldest child James is my 3 X great grandfather. I have traced the Shaw family back to Margaret Paterson, wife of William Shaw. They had several children and those children including a very elusive Samual Shaw. In my research I did come across a Samual Shaw family including the name Nicholas for a wife. My own Shaw family were based in Kirkpatrick Durham but more interestingly I have found them at a place called Corsgate where it seems there was a small stone mason environment. The name Clingan is very much associated with Kirkpatrick Durham. Corsgate is along a now disused road that used to travel north towards Corsock.
When I went up to Edinburgh to look at the kirk minutes I found an entry regarding William Shaw and Margaret Paterson. William may have lived at or near Arkland as did Margaret. When I visited Corsock last year the village people were very kind and helpful and I was introduced to one of the local farmers - Mr Shaw. He told me that his family had lived in this area for many centuries. I think that my William- who I cannot trace - was part of this family. I did toy with the idea that he may have gone with his son abroad with the intention of returning but never got back - a fantastical notion really. Whichever way the Shaw family with the name Nicholas did emigrate but they can be traced for the Dumfried area. Hope this has not clouded the waters too much for you.
NG.
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone has been able to settle the discrepancy in the birth date of Grace Glover Clingan between the birth date given for the daughter of John Clingan and Janet Wilson and the date showing on her gravestone?