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Title: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Thursday 18 February 16 00:50 GMT (UK)

Silas Locke b about 1714 in Portadown, Armagh, NI married to Letitia Harrison they had at least 2 children,
a)William b 27 Nov 1759 married to Letitia? they had 8 sons and 2 daughters one unknown, he died 16 Sept1846
b) Silas Locke b about 1775 married to Margaret Lee they had 6 sons and 2 daughters, he died Aug 9, 1851

Silas Locke and Margaret Lee's children are as follows
1)Julia Ann Locke b unknown d 25 Dec 1856 in Toronto, On, Canada
2)Alexander Locke no info
3) John Locke no info
4) Robert Locke no info
5)Mary Jane Locke died oct 4, 1878 in Toronto, On, Canada married to Robert Marks about 1854
6) William Locke b 1802 in Armagh, Armagh NI died 19 July 1885 in Simcoe, On, Canada
7) George Locke no info
8)Francis Locke born about 1810 in Armagh, Armagh NI possibly married to Mary Robinson around 1840 no info for her.

Francis came to Canada approx 1846- no record suspected with sisters Mary Jane and Julia Ann
he married Mary possibly Robinson
they had at least two children in Toronto,
i)Silas Robert Locke b 25 Apr 1858 married Margaret Jane Dodds on 22 June 1887 in Toronto
ii)Mary Ann Locke b 13 Jan 1863 married William Dallimore

Any help would be appreciated thnks,
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: ansimi on Thursday 18 February 16 03:21 GMT (UK)
Which is your direct line and what information are you looking for?

From your other post, it sounds like you got this from somebody else and haven't been able to confirm it? So you need to work backwards from your known ancestors.

I was able to make some preliminary connections among the children you listed as belonging to Silas Locke and Margaret Lee but I believe that some of that list from another family.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 18 February 16 09:00 GMT (UK)
Original topic here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=741793.new#new
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: eileenwilson on Thursday 18 February 16 16:56 GMT (UK)
Silas Locke, son of William & Margaret, married Elisa (Elizabeth) Cotton on October 19, 1887 in Hawkestone, Oro Township, Simcoe County, Ontario.  Witnesses were John Cotton of Oro, and Margaret Jane Locke of Flos Township.  Groom was Congregational; bride was Presbyterian.

This Silas was born 23 August 1854 and baptised in January 1859 in Oro.  There was also a Silas Corbett Locke, son of Joseph & Mary Eliza, born February 9, 1854, baptized August 3, 1854 in Barrie, Simcoe County.  Silas Robert Locke, son of Francis & Mary, was born 25 April 1859, baptised 1859 in Toronto, Home District.

There is also a Silas Locke, married to a Caroline, who is having children in the same timeframe: Henry Edmund, born 2 June 1859, baptized 6 July 1860 in Vespra, Simcoe County; Alexander Duncan, born 30 September 1860, baptized 30 December 1860 in Oro; and, Frederick William, born 13 June 1862, baptized 4 January 1863 in Oro.

All of the above baptisms are from the Wesleyan Methodist Baptismal Registers.

Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Thursday 18 February 16 17:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Thanks, I have all this it is older generations I am looking for. These Lockes in Simcoe County are distant from my direct lineage.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Thursday 18 February 16 17:28 GMT (UK)
Ansimi in answer to your question the direct lineage is

Silas Locke gggggrandfather
Silas Locke ggggrandfather
Francis Locke gggrandfather
Silas Robert Locke ggrandfather
Harold Frederick Locke grandfather
Edward Harold Locke father

I have details for many of the family who settled in Ontario from Ireland, I only need help finding the Irish records
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: ansimi on Thursday 18 February 16 20:15 GMT (UK)
I still need more details on what you already have.

It sounds like you can confirm Francis Locke who died 1885 in Toronto as your ancestor which should be pretty straightforward if you've looked at the Canadian records.

Do you have anything with Francis's parents' names? Because his age references are so inconsistent that finding an Armagh baptism for a Francis Locke within a 15-year period would be of little help.

I think Canadian records are key to confirming sibling relationships and ultimately parents.

Francis Locke's wife Mary died 11 Aug 1867 and was buried 12 Aug 1867. She was born about 1829 in Ireland which is consistent with her 1861 census return. The cause of death is listed as Confinement (pregnancy) and her stillborn daughter was buried 25 Jul 1867. I got that information from the Toronto Trust Cemeteries collection on Familysearch.

Mary and her daughter are buried in the same grave (Necropolis O 33) as Julia A Locke who was born about 1822 in Ireland and died 25 Dec 1856. This might be the same Julia who is on the 1852 census in Albion with a Francis along with an Ann Jane who I haven't accounted for. Is that what you have?

Francis Locke was also buried in that grave as was Mary Jane Marks, married woman, born about 1799 and died 4 Oct 1878. There is an 1828 record in the Armagh Diocese marriage licence bonds index for a marriage between a Mary Jane Locke and a Robert Marks.

You mentioned Francis and Mary being possibly married in 1840 but that seems way too early going by the Canadian records. There is a record of a Francis Locke marrying a Mary Robinson in 1840 in the Clogher Diocese but that doesn't look like a match to me. I would think they married around 1855-1858 based on Mary's age and their first known child being born in 1859.

The 1871 census has Francis Locke living with an Irish-born William Locke who isn't a son or brother so nephew is most likely. Have you traced him?

I have a working theory that your Francis was the son of Silas Locke from Derrycorr in Tartaraghan Parish. This Silas had a son William who stayed in Derrycorr but William's widow and most of his children went to Toronto or near Toronto. His son William may have been the William with your family in 1871 but I'm not sure about that.

There was a John Locke born about 1812 who married a Mary Jane Bell and whose 1885 Toronto death record says he was born in Derrycorr. He was a grocer like your Francis but I don't have more linking them yet.

Obviously the William Locke in Simcoe was not a brother of William Locke of Derrycorr so if you have proof that he was a brother of your Francis then that will disprove my theory.



Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: eileenwilson on Thursday 18 February 16 20:36 GMT (UK)
Silus (sic) Locke shows up in the Freeholder Records in Derrycor(r) in 1828.  In 1819, his name is spelled as Silas Lock. His lifelease is in the names of George, Silas & William Lock. In 1818, there is also a George in Derrycor whose lifelease are in the same names, so almost certainly Silas & George are brothers or father and son.



Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Thursday 18 February 16 21:37 GMT (UK)
Ansimi you are amazing, you've uncovered more in a few hours than i did in a few years, the only connection i have to Francis and Mary is that they were recorded as parents of Silas Robert Locke on his Marriage registration to Margaret Jane Dodds. 
Francis and Mary are also the only names on the baptismal record on family search for Silas Robert Locke my ggrandfather.
Since Silas Robert lived a few blocks away from the cemetery Francis is buried in (Necropolis) and the Methodist church was located midway between the house and cemetery I am also assuming that it is the correct Francis and Mary. The Cemetery and church were one of few in the city at the time.
Francis is also supposed to have had a sister Julia Ann and sister Mary Jane who married Robert Marks.
As for Francis having a brother William, I do have a brother William who had a son William as well not sure why i believe they were in Simcoe county Ont as they are buried in Toronto.
William Locke gravestone in Toronto ties him to Armagh county
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Thursday 18 February 16 21:41 GMT (UK)
Eileen Thanks ill look for these records they could be the same family.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: ansimi on Friday 19 February 16 01:10 GMT (UK)
Well the dates you gave for William Locke in Simcoe are correct and that family was from Armagh and used the name Silas so they were probably related. Is that you you're referring to as buried in Toronto?

William Locke of Derrycorr's son William Locke is listed as an insurance agent residing in Cleveland, Ohio on his 1889 marriage record and as a retired medical doctor on his 1936 death record. Both events took place in Toronto but I can't find census records for him and I can't account for his wife. His death record includes the details that he had ceased practicing medicine in 1935 after 50 years in the occupation which would mean he'd started practicing in 1885 (aged about 35), 4 years before his marriage. He's intriguing.

You need to focus on Canadian records and establishing siblings for Francis. As I said, finding a baptism record (if one even survives) for a Francis Locke won't help you at all unless you already have enough information to confirm it's the right Francis Locke. Usually that confirmation comes from already knowing the names of the parents or from knowing the names of siblings and also finding their baptism records so you can match the family.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Monday 22 February 16 15:29 GMT (UK)
Ansimi,
Tartaraghan Parish records are they available on line anywhere? I think this might be the right family, since I seem to be at a standstill in Canadian records I'm trying to reconnect from Irish records. I'm suspecting the marriage of Francis Locke and Mary Robinson is not the correct Francis as dates are off from the birth of their children and from my knowledge he came to Canada single with his sisters. I am hoping to maybe find his baptismal records to confirm the connection.
Since my ggrandfather carried on the Silas name and then Francis was the first born child of his the naming pattern of the firstborn son after grandfather on fathers side seems to fit.
I can't find any proof that William (simcoe ontario) and Francis are brothers, but again the naming pattern seems to follow.
I was able to get some more records from the cemetery for Francis and Mary, but again nothing that connects them to Ireland. No marriage record and |I can't be sure of the census records being the correct ones either. Francis had a nephew William also, but since I can't confirm the relationship to the father it might also be incorrect.
 
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: ansimi on Monday 22 February 16 19:59 GMT (UK)
No, Tartaraghan parish records aren't available online but at least it's a parish with significant surviving records so somebody might be able to help you eventually. Baptismal records don't usually have very much information though and you don't really know what you're looking for yet. Finding a Francis Locke, son of Silas would not prove he was your ancestor.

The Francis Locke who married Mary Robinson in 1840 definitely is not your ancestor but he lived in the same area. You might find his baptism record instead.

What evidence to you have that Francis had a nephew William? Following up on anything establishing siblings is by far your best bet.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 22 February 16 20:16 GMT (UK)
If we are working on the Lockes in Toronto, a birth notice for the birth of a son on the 25th April 1859 to Mrs. Francis Locke.

And a death notice for May 13, 1900, at 240 Sumach Street, Toronto, Rebecca Lester, widow of the late Wm. Locke, Co. Armagh, Ireland, and mother of Dr. Wm. Locke, Rev. John Locke, and Francis Locke. Funeral notice later. Portadown and Belfast papers, please copy.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 22 February 16 20:39 GMT (UK)
Death registration for Rebecca gives her age as 80 years, 11 months, 19 days, so must be born about June 1819.

 Name     William Locke     
 Spouse's Name    Rebecca Lester     
 Event Date     01 Apr 1847     
 Event Place     Killylea, Arm, Ire     
 Father's Name    Silas Locke     
 Spouse's Father's Name    William Lester   
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: eileenwilson on Monday 22 February 16 20:51 GMT (UK)
Death of William above in 1936. Obituary gives siblings as Francis Locke, 65 Elm Street, Toronto; Mrs. W.J.  Hewitt, Boisavain, Manitoba; brother of the late Rev. John Locke, Aurora, and Mrs. A.J. Pollack, Toronto.  Burial at Mount Pleasant. Belfast papers please copy.

This note at the end for Belfast papers suggests that they kept in touch with family in Ireland.

Rev. John was a United Church clergyman when  he passed away in 1935.  Getting in touch with the United Church Archives in Toronto should provide you with more information, including perhaps a place of birth. His obituary says he came to Toronto from Portadown.



On another note, there is a death of a John Locke in Toronto in 1885, grocer, aged 73 years, born in Derry Core (sic), Ireland.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Monday 22 February 16 21:21 GMT (UK)
Ansimi and Eileen thanks attached a copy of the info i got originally online from the person i lost contact with.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Monday 22 February 16 21:23 GMT (UK)
found Ann Davisons Email hoping to make connection again to get copies of records through her.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Monday 22 February 16 21:28 GMT (UK)
page 2 above is correct for all my grandfather Harold Frederick and his siblings information. the problem begins with Francis and his connection to Ireland...nothing here for a marriage to Mary...somehow I think the only one I found anywhere was Robinson which occured in Armagh around 1840...pretty sure this is incorrect Francis and Mary.
Tartaraghan parish seems to be the right Silas if I cannot find the records for Francis form Canada perhaps there is some way to trace descendants from Silas?
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: ansimi on Tuesday 23 February 16 00:19 GMT (UK)
The information you posted is combing (at least) two William Lockes - one who stayed in Ireland and one who settled in Simcoe County. They were very close in age and used similar naming for their children. Finding proof one of them being a brother would be a big step.

Your posts will probably be edited as you have posted names of people who may be living which is not allowed here.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Tuesday 23 February 16 00:23 GMT (UK)
To my knowledge none of them are alive, but if you prefer to edit them out that is not a problem.

I still need help connecting Francis to Armagh and to Silas Locke there. Thought that posting all the original info would help in the search.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: ansimi on Tuesday 23 February 16 00:33 GMT (UK)
You named somebody you plan on emailing so they're probably alive and your longer post names somebody else as a source of information who may well be alive.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Tuesday 23 February 16 00:36 GMT (UK)
Right thanks please delete the posts
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Tuesday 23 February 16 00:42 GMT (UK)
Eileenwilson, you mentioned finding a birth notice for a son of Francis Locke on 25 April 1859, where did you find that? I have his baptismal record only not a birth registration or notice. This would be my ggrandfather Silas Robert Locke.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: margden on Tuesday 23 February 16 01:14 GMT (UK)
also since I know Mary Jane Locke married to Robert Marks in Armagh is Francis Locke's sister, is it best to search for her birth and baptismal records tying her to Silas Locke and Margaret Lee? We have been focused on finding proof of a brother William but forgetting that Mary Jane was buried with Francis here in Toronto
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: eileenwilson on Tuesday 23 February 16 01:41 GMT (UK)
The Birth Notice was in the Toronto Globe newspaper (now the Globe & Mail)
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: MGZ on Thursday 01 December 16 06:50 GMT (UK)
Hi, I believe this family of Silas Locke maybe one I have been researching.  My 3rd great grandfather was Alexander Robinson born 1839 in Lisnaske County Fermanagh to Alexander Robinson and his wife Hester Marie Locke. Alexander was Hester's second husband. I believe her first was a Harrison. Hester was born in March 1795 in Armagh Ireland. The information I have has her father's name as William.  I have not found her mother's name. The senior Alexander died in Decenber of 1848. They  had three other sons and a daughter  that I know . They were Fredrick,  Robert Lock, Thomas , and Alice K. After her second husband died she immigrated to the US with her two youngest children Alexander Jr and Alice. The others had previously come . She came to Mt Erie Wayne County Illinois where her younger brother Francis was living. She died there 27 October 1857. I have been searching for more information on her parents and for Alexander Robinson Sr 's parents as well. Any information  on this family  is appreciated.  Thanks  Mary
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: Marie48 on Tuesday 11 July 17 04:37 BST (UK)
Margden......This is Anne.....please email me.  The one you have is still good.  Hope to hear from you.  I am still researching Locke families from Armagh.  Would like to compare some information.
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: Marie48 on Tuesday 11 July 17 05:13 BST (UK)
I have a whole file on Alexander Robinson of Hester Locke and Alexander Robinson the first.  We may have been in touch years ago.  I made an entire cd for someone and even sent pictures..Was that you?  Anne
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: MGZ on Wednesday 12 July 17 22:41 BST (UK)
Hi Anne, I'm Maryg I would very much like to share with you what information I have on Alexander Robinson and his wife Hester Marie . I am descended from their youngest son Alexander who came to America with his mother and sister after his father's death. I am not 100% sure of the info I have from Ireland, but I believe  what info I have about Alexander Robinson after coming to the US  is accurate. If you would like to share info let me know. Thanks Maryg
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: Marie48 on Thursday 13 July 17 00:49 BST (UK)
Sure...     We have a huge amount of information also so this should be fun!  We followed his sister Alice for ten years and finally found her family too.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Locke, Silas looking for help
Post by: MGZ on Sunday 16 July 17 05:35 BST (UK)
Hi Anne, trying to get started sharing with you. Let me give you my direct lineage from Alexander and Hester Marie Locke Robinson. Their youngest son Alexander and his first wife Sarah P Baylor were my 2ND great grandparents, their son John William and his wife Martha Jane Goble , their son Hobart Clay Robinson and his first wife Florence Bryant Pursell, my Dad, John Waldo
Robinson and my Mom, Mary Catherine Funkhouser, then myself and my siblings. I have birth and death info as well as children info for all of the above, but I do not share living relatives unless I have their permission. Try the personal message feature to see if we can connect through there. Maryg