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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Lleucu on Sunday 13 March 16 17:44 GMT (UK)
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I would be grateful for any information or news of Thomas David Iago born in 1883 ( +/- 1 or 2 years) in Montgomreyshire but residing somewhere in Shropshire during the period 1939 to the late 1950's. I'm trying to pinpoint his occupation and where exactly he was.
Thanks in advance.
Lleucu
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There is a Thomas Lagoe son of Edwin born Birmingham a gold chain maker?
Jennifer
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You could try the 1939 register - Sorry we are not allowed to do look ups on this.
What else can you tell us about him. When / where did he die
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He was in Ellesmere, Shropshire and was a farm carter, widower. How do you know he was born in Montgomeryshire?.
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Thanks Mike,
I was about to say that I found him on the 1939 Register ( in reply to Rosie99) in Ellesmere but I have no idea where he was for the next 20 years and I would dearly like to know. Any other tips friends?
Lleucu
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Is his surname actually Jago, and have you got a death and census entries for him?
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I would be grateful for any information or news of Thomas David Iago born in 1883 ( +/- 1 or 2 years) in Montgomreyshire but residing somewhere in Shropshire during the period 1939 to the late 1950's. I'm trying to pinpoint his occupation and where exactly he was.
Thanks in advance.
Lleucu
Hi, I think it would be best if you told us what you know of Thomas David Iago, like who were his parents/who did he marry, what connection you have to this person ;D
Keyboard86
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Apologies for my absence - this person was a relative. His real name was Thomas David James and one day in the late 1930's he left his family - ostensibly to go to market - and disappeared.
Some 20 years later he reappeared searching for his children, his daughter took him in and looked after him until his death in 1967.
We, the younger generation never found out where he had been apart from the fact that - he told me- that he called himself Iago.
There is no one alive now who can give me any information but I wish I knew where he was and what he did during that time.
Lleucu
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Hi again, so did he marry as Thomas David James if so to who and when, how did you locate he was now called Thomas David Iago, and how certain of a birth Montgomeryshire?
Keyboard86
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Hi,. Thanks for responding.Yes he did marry as Thomas David James and he and his wife had a daughter and two sons.
Yes he was born in Montgomreyshire and I know who his parents, grandparents and siblings were.
Whether he changed his name ( Iago is welsh for James) or kept his original name ,this period in his life is a mystery. One which I would like to solve is possible but I'm not getting very far!
Lleucu
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I would be grateful for any information or news of Thomas David Iago born in 1883 ( +/- 1 or 2 years) in Montgomreyshire but residing somewhere in Shropshire during the period 1939 to the late 1950's. I'm trying to pinpoint his occupation and where exactly he was.
Thanks in advance.
Lleucu
Hi again, if you have him born Montgomeryshire, why show plus/minus 2 for his birth, as I cannot locate one in Montgomeryshire with this proviso? Who did he marry?
A quick look of the 1939 states he was born 19th July 1883 Widowed occ Carter shown as Thomas Jago,? then written in red above David Iago with a C.I.20 reference living in Ellesmere, Shropshire
So what was his birth in Montgomeryshire as Thomas James or David James September qtr 1883?
;D Also when people say "I know his parents etc" it does not help us without names!
When did he die, and under what name, a death in Shrewsbury March 1967 9a 179 David T James b abt 1883 aged 84?
Keyboard86
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Hi keryboard86 - well I've been doing some checking and his 'official' name was David Thomas James ( he was always known as Tom) he was born on the 19th of July 1882 and died on the 2nd of March 1967 at the Royal Salop Infirmary Shrewsbury which ties in with the death you found.
I have my doubts now about the Iago aspect - DTJ certainly was not a widower in 1939 - so it looks a though this period of his life will remain a mystery. That's probably what he intended.
Thanks for your help but do let me know if anything else occurs to you.
All the best,
Lleucu
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He left a Will - maybe getting a copy of that might help? the beneficiaries might give a clue as to who he was in touch with in his latter years?
Probate index entry-
David Thomas James of Bron Hefyn Llangynog Montgomeryshire died 2 March 1967 at Royal Salop Infirmary Shrewsbury . Probate to National Provincial Bank Ltd. Effects £1122
btw - seems he wasn't residing in Shropshire, as his home address at death was a Montgomeryshire address!
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This looks to be his birth reg then, David Thomas James reg Dec qtr Llanfyllin
Jennifer
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Hi his marriage?
David Thomas James to Ellen Jones September qtr 1907 Llanfyllin 11b 296
Keyboard86
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Hi again, wish you either would tell us or locate a David Thomas James in census prior to possibly 1911 and the supposed marriage as Thomas David James? , did he have a daughter Dora b 19th April 1908 who married a David Poole September qtr 1936 Llanfyllin 11b 291?
I just wish you would tell us what you know, it is so frustrating to seek your help with no clues?
Keyboard86
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Yes, all of your observations are correct ( thank you all for your interest) but I don't see how they are of any help with my original enquiry. Appreciate the details about the will, although I doubt that it will throw any light on his "missing"years. However I will look into that further, just in case - you never know in this game do you!
He was in South Wales in 1911 with wife and daughter but they moved back to Montgomreyshire in 1932. He seems to have gone awol after his daughters marriage in 1936. Then, of course it gets difficult with no paper trails to follow.
Still its intriguing ! Where was he?
Lleucu
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Hi,. Thanks for responding.Yes he did marry as Thomas David James and he and his wife had a daughter and two sons.
Yes he was born in Montgomreyshire and I know who his parents, grandparents and siblings were.
Whether he changed his name ( Iago is welsh for James) or kept his original name ,this period in his life is a mystery. One which I would like to solve is possible but I'm not getting very far!
Lleucu
Hi again. look all I have been working on is your statement he married as Thomas David James (He did not), and enquired how you knew his parents etc, where is he pre 1911 with his parents & siblings?
Keyboard86
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All this information that we have found helps to build a picture of the man and may hold a clue in to his later life.
Jennifer
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He seems to have gone awol after his daughters marriage in 1936. Then, of course it gets difficult with no paper trails to follow.
Still its intriguing ! Where was he?
Well, I found you an address at death.
And, lets face it, once you get too recent for census era, for the latter years of someones life between the marriage of their children and their own death, generally there aren't any records to find! Most people just continue to tootle on in life, not doing anything that warrants a record being made (like getting married or having children) until they die and there is a death cert and possibly a Will. Certainly for most of my ancestors (apart from those around 1841-1911) that tends to be a fairly blank period in my understanding of their lives.
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Have you talked to all of the 'younger generation' to see if anyone at all has any extra scraps of information that may give any clues?
You may have to kick yourself for not trying to find out more when the 'elderly generation' were still alive and could answer some questions.
He may have chosen a completely different name to live under in the missing years - if he can just walk out then he can certainly lie - and, as has been said, there are not many records around to search for recent people who are living under different names.
What are you hoping to find - another family?
If he were gainfully employed and living quietly, there are not going to be records on-line. No censuses to search.
The will probably will not help, but you need to get it 'just in case.'
If he went missing in the late 1930's, he would have been in his mid 50's and stayed missing until his mid 70's. What work was he capable of doing - if manual labour he could have been employed anywhere?
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The Will is the only lead.
If he had deserted his family and had no contact - then who DID he leave his estate to? If there was any sort of second family, then the Will may reveal that. Or he may have just left it all to the Dogs home - I guess at least that would tell you something about his latter life - he was unlikely to have dependents and he liked dogs!
Who registered his death?
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As his daughter looked after him until his death, one would hope that she would be mentioned in his will.
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Hi,. Thanks for responding.Yes he did marry as Thomas David James and he and his wife had a daughter and two sons.
Yes he was born in Montgomreyshire and I know who his parents, grandparents and siblings were.
Whether he changed his name ( Iago is welsh for James) or kept his original name ,this period in his life is a mystery. One which I would like to solve is possible but I'm not getting very far!
Lleucu
So as he only had apparently one daughter Dora b 19th April 1908 who married a David Poole think died Oswestry, plus two sons, still awaiting clues re this man from birth let alone death??
Keyboard86
And he married as David Thomas James?
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As his daughter looked after him until his death, one would hope that she would be mentioned in his will.
I'd forgotten that bit, I'd got in my mind that he has disappeared and that is why we were seeking info on his later years.
If there was just this one daughter, no other children, then op must be a descendant (son, grandson?) of her?
Oh - whoops Im losing the plot again, seems there were sons too.
If he told her where he had been, but she kept it to herself and is now deceased, then it will probably remain a mystery, if no one else knew.
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Hi again, will every now and again keep plodding along with this one, still know insufficient about this man from birth, his wife Ellen was born 24th November 1879 and one of the sons was a David M (Maldwyn) James born 29th June 1911, he along with Dora b 1908 (Married David Poole), also died in Oswestry, now next task is when/where did Ellen die?
Keyboard86
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Hi folks,
Ellen died in Anglesey in 1949 - although, unfortunately this has no relevance. His daughter inherited from his will and this is also a dead end. Both the sons are also dead.
There is a vague ( very vague) suspicion that he might have been in the Wellington, Shropshire area .
Thanks for all the comments I've taken them all on board.
Lleucu
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Hi again Lleucu, I ask once again, just who were his parents and siblings, please?
Keyboard86
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John and Elizabeth - both died before he left. As far as his siblings are concerned, they were widely scattered and all are dead . I have no knowledge of their offspring if any. As far as I know he did not contact any of his family until he suddenly reappeared.
Where are you hoping to go with this Keyboard?
Lleucu
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I'm still unsure as to what we can possibly find!
After he married, had children etc (so too late for those certs) , he "disappeared" for a bit. Then he came back , lived with daughter, presumably in Wales, died in a hospital in Shropshire, and left his estate to that daughter.
So, maybe he told the daughter where he had been - but if she is deceased and never passed on the info to anyone else that wont lead anywhere.
What sort of record can we hope to find? Not sure there will be anything if he was just getting on with life and not marrying/having children/commiting a crime/emigrating etc. Other than electoral rolls - but with no knowledge of where he was that is a non starter.
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I have to agree with you lizdb and accept that we will never find where he spent those years. At least he was with his family at the end of his life.
Thank you all for your efforts and suggestions - all much appreciated.
Lleucu
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Hi looking at Google Maps as to the residence of Ellen James in 1939 Hirrhos Hall, Llanfyllin, our man did not run away a real distance if the Thomas/David Iago is to be believed in Ellesmere, Shropshire about 23 miles away, but why the breakdown of marriage, anyone's guess, at least he must have kept in touch with his daughter!
Keyboard86
PS Hirrhos Hall looks to be a great place to visit?
Keyboard86
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Yes, Hirros Hall is very nice and the surrounding area is lovely also. Ellen moved there after he left. I have come to the same conclusion about there being a marital rift ( reasons unknown) and I'm sure that he did not keep in touch with his daughter - it was a big shock to her when he turned up.
Keyboard you have been invaluable and its been great talking to you. Thank you.
Lleucu