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My Grandma Ethel Downey,(nee Hartley) born London England 1879-died 1931 in London Ontario Canada. She visited & stayed with relatives living at- 118 High St, Seven Oaks, Kent. She had 5 sisters in England and 1 brother,all born between 1862 & 1879. The last living relative died in 1962. She went to England to see a doctor,, and I wish to know surname of person(s) living at this address who were related to her. I reside in London Ontario Canada and have no idea how else to obtain this information. Your help in this matter will be greatly appreciated. Janet
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could you post the names of siblings (including married names )?
Did any of the relatives visit Ethel in Canada?
Suz
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Ethel & Leonard returned to Canada from England in September 1930, last address was 127 Perryvale, Forest Hill.
Was this when they went to Sevenoaks
I see the Sevenoaks address was their destination in 1929
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What you need is an electoral register look up for 1929 Sevenoaks. This should be possible as you have the address but would be best posted on the Kent look up board
It would also help us take a different 'route' if you can give us the information Suzard has requested
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I put the address in this format: (118 High Street Sevenoaks) into a google IMAGES search, and a 1901 page of census came up. If it does indeed relate to this particular address, 118 was a drapers shop.
Further down the images page is 116 of 1911 census.
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Hi Susard: 8 children: my Grandma was Ethel B and she was #8. Married name Downey-both deceased by 1961
Child #1. Edith Hartley1862-1956,married Edgar J Allen1908-? 1 child married Cowans & died 1957-- others ??
Child #2-Frederick 1864-1918 living in New Zealand-his children died 1961, 66 & 81.
Child #3-Annie Frances1866-1938 married Wm Whyntie 1859-1948 They lived in Deptford or Seven Oaks KENT 2 of 5 of
their Fred lived in Kent, Olive married Land, Cyril ??,.Doris married a Collins lived in Kent ad Kathleen also in Kent.
Child #4-Florence 1869-1962, married Frank Humpherston 1878-1937 lived London. Their daughter Gladys F married
Frederick Child #4-Florence 1869-1962, married Frank Humpherston 1878-1937 lived London. Their daughter
married R.C Goodfellow 1902-1975-they may have lived Kent and london. Their dhtr,Joyce GE. married James
Smith & Ron Butt.
Child #5-Henry 1871-to about 1910 , children born 1897 to 1904, their deaths ??
Child #6-Kate 1873-1954 married Arthur Smith 1873-?? 2 children Gordon & Eleanor- born between 1904 & 1909,their
marriages & deaths ??
Child #7-Clara 1875-1957 Hornsey, married Claude Obery,1876- ???2 children born 1898 to 1903-Kate, Edith & Muriel.
Edith married Reginald Docwra, they may have lived in Kent. Other two children ??
Hope this is what you need to asertain who my Grandma stayed with. Janet
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Lots of ads in the Sevenoaks Chronicle in the early 1930s for
WHYNTIE & CO. 114,116,118, High St, Sevenoaks
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London Gazette, 24 February 1925
Partnerships Dissolved
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33024/page/1382/data.pdf
London Gazette, 12 March 1937
Winding up of WHYNTIE & CO. Limited
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34379/page/1686/data.pdf
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Hello Johnw65: Thank you so much for the 2 adds. I am so happy to be filling in part of this family. It appears William Whyntie was ready to retire as his wife Annie died the following year. I am thinking that since he was at 114, 116 & 118 his business was very lucrative. In 1937 the war was in its beginnings and a good time to close shop. So nice to know who Grandma was staying with.
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Hi Mowsehowse:That was so interesting and after several tries received the information. I am so thankful for evereyone at rootschat for helping me with my queries. Had no idea all this information was available. I tried google image for the address of 127 Perryvale, Forest Hill but ended up with a street image. So now I would like to know who resided at that address in 1930. It was suggested I post a querie on the Kent board for the electoral register, & will follow up wth that. Many thanks Janet.
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Edith Allen is living at 127 Perry Vale in 1930 also at the address is Clarence Allen and Edna Allen
Also Gerald John Neville and Ivy Sabina Neville
This from the London Electoral Rolls
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Hi Mowsehowse:That was so interesting and after several tries received the information. I am so thankful for evereyone at rootschat for helping me with my queries. Had no idea all this information was available. I tried google image for the address of 127 Perryvale, Forest Hill but ended up with a street image. So now I would like to know who resided at that address in 1930. It was suggested I post a querie on the Kent board for the electoral register, & will follow up wth that. Many thanks Janet.
Glad to help a little.
When you put something into a google search, just under the search box is a list of "All, maps, images" and so on. Click on images.
But I did not find anything for the Forest Hill address..... though you could look on Zoopla for some where close perhaps. All the best.
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Hello Gibel: Thank you for the 127 Perryvale info-Re; Edith, Clarence & Edna Allen- I am assuming the Neville's were boarding there as Ediths Husband was deceased years earlier and the extra income was needed. I had her son Clarence married in 1924 to a Jane Bacon in Mansfield Notts (no other info for them) so was surprised to find him at home with "mom". The BMD had his marriage and his death also in Mansfield Notts in 4thQ 1964. Clarence Edgar Aveling Allen was his name-But I regress.
I really appreciate all the help received. I never knew Grandma Ethel as she died a few yrs before my birth, but I visit her grave alot. Janet
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I think Clarence Edgar Aveling Allen was born on 24 November 1900 and died in the Worthing area December 1973.
According to the Electoral Rolls he was still in Perry Vale in 1939. You could look for the family in the 1939 National Identity Register on Find My Past.
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This helps confirm Annie and William Whynties connection with the drapers at High Street
Probate index entry
Annie Frances Whyntie of 9 Pembroke Road Sevenoaks (wife of William Whyntie) died 6 MArch 1938 Probate to the said William Whyntie retired draper Effects £1188 - 6s 10d
That links in with the sale of the business when he retired.
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Probate index entry
Annie Frances Whyntie of 9 Pembroke Road Sevenoaks (wife of William Whyntie) died 6 March 1938 Probate to the said William Whyntie retired draper Effects £1188 - 6s 10d
Gosh, that amount in 1938 makes them rather wealthy doesn't it?
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That was Annies estate
There is a Probate index entry for William when he dies in 1948. Same address. Executors Kathleen Frances Whyntie, spinster and Doris Nellie Collins, married woman. Effects £7409 12s 8d
If he had sold a successful business, then I am not so surprised they had a degree of capital behind them.
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Hi Susard: 8 children: my Grandma was Ethel B and she was #8. Married name Downey-both deceased by 1961
Child #1. Edith Hartley1862-1956,married Edgar J Allen1908-? 1 child married Cowans & died 1957-- others ??
Child #2-Frederick 1864-1918 living in New Zealand-his children died 1961, 66 & 81.
Child #3-Annie Frances1866-1938 married Wm Whyntie 1859-1948 They lived in Deptford or Seven Oaks KENT 2 of 5 of
their Fred lived in Kent, Olive married Land, Cyril ??,.Doris married a Collins lived in Kent ad Kathleen also in Kent.
Child #4-Florence 1869-1962, married Frank Humpherston 1878-1937 lived London. Their daughter Gladys F married
Frederick Child #4-Florence 1869-1962, married Frank Humpherston 1878-1937 lived London. Their daughter
married R.C Goodfellow 1902-1975-they may have lived Kent and london. Their dhtr,Joyce GE. married James
Smith & Ron Butt.
Child #5-Henry 1871-to about 1910 , children born 1897 to 1904, their deaths ??
Child #6-Kate 1873-1954 married Arthur Smith 1873-?? 2 children Gordon & Eleanor- born between 1904 & 1909,their
marriages & deaths ??
Child #7-Clara 1875-1957 Hornsey, married Claude Obery,1876- ???2 children born 1898 to 1903-Kate, Edith & Muriel.
Edith married Reginald Docwra, they may have lived in Kent. Other two children ??
Hope this is what you need to asertain who my Grandma stayed with. Janet
Hello,
I live in Sevenoaks and am happy to help with look ups etc. Please just let me know what you would like.
I am interested in this family, as a WW1 researcher, because the sons of William and Annie Frances Whyntie, Cyril John and Frederick, both fought in the war. There is a discussion on the Great War Forum where I have posted a photo of Cyril
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=151632
Another researcher has then posted more info on Cyril
http://theauxiliaries.com/men-alphabetical/men-w-x-y-z/whyntie/whyntie.html
Both men died relatively young, in 1935 and 1937
My email is (*) if you'd like to get in touch direct with any requests. If any are buried locally I may be able to find the graves etc
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Of particular interest to me is that Cyril was twice mentioned in dispatches and awarded the Military Cross
1918 Sep 19 . Won the Military Cross. T./2nd Lt. (A./Capt.) Cyril John Whyntie,. 8th Bn., E. Surr. R. For conspicuous gallantry and leadership near Ronssoy on the 18th September, 1918. He held his company well together in the dense mist and kept them straight on their objective. Owing to the failure of troops in front to take the Green Lane the company soon found itself in the front line and met with heavy machine-gun fire. He at' once extended his company and pushed on, thereby gaining two thousand yards
of ground and reaching the Green Line.
I'll try and find an image of the shop but if you look at the postcard section of my website at sevenoaksww1.org you'll see a few images of what the High Street looked like around this time.
Matt
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Hi. My great grandmother was Annie Frances Hartley, born 1866 and died 4 Mar 1938. Married William Whyntie. They lived in the High Street at Sevenoaks. I have photos of her and William if you are interested. Have done a lot of my family tree but mostly on the Whyntie side.
Whyntie remains a rare surname. Origins from Scotland. Do you have details of Annie's parents or photos please?
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Bigfellow: Yes I am very interested in photos of Annie & Wiliam. Which of their 5 children are you related? I have photos of Anne & Henry Hartley and Ethel (my Grandma) who is Annie's sister, also a photo of Frederick who went to New Zealand.
I would be more than glad to share the genealogy of the Hartleys and would also like to hear more of the Whyntie children. I do not know how to forward photos be e-mail, and would prefer actual photos and would also be glad to mail same to you. Our mail people may be going on strike or locked out with a few weeks, so would require mail sent very shortly. How would I get these to you, and vice versa since I do not see a PM listed here for you. Janet in London Canada.
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Wonderful. Am happy to post some photos to you and would love to see the ones you mentioned. Cant private message yet until I have posted 3 times. Will do another soon then we can exchange addresses etc.
My grandfather was Fred Whyntie. His brother Cyril has relatives alive today and I am in touch.
Regards Adrian
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Re: Reply #18
My Grandfather Lt William Hickey MC received the MC whilst serving in the same battle near the village of Ronssoy on 18/9/18. Interested in visiting on the centenary, but can find no events?
Attached to East Surrey Regt, was a surgeon in a field casualty station
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Jon, thanks for post. Has taken me to find out more about Jack Whyntie. I will mention this to an ex army friend of mine who does battlefield tours. I ought to visit one day. My grandfather also fought during WW1.
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Tks,
Just got this reply from Epehy....
Hello sir,
yes a commemoration is planned with an exhibition the weekend of September 15 and 16 in the village hall but it will remain visible all the next week in the big room of the retirement home. On September 18, the three British cemeteries will be honored (a march should join them) before regrouping at the retirement home in front of the exhibition with a small buffet to eat before going to the heights of the village where a fire artifice will recall the battles of today 100 years ago.
A conference should be added to this event as well as a small guided hike to see where were the different combat positions. In addition, we are still interested in anything that could be added to this program.
We keep the quote about your grandfather that could be exposed with his picture if you had it.
Cordially.
Michel Delaire