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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: hunkyhywel on Monday 04 April 16 21:07 BST (UK)
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Jane Rees married in 1891 but her life before this is a mystery to me.
Here's what I have till now:
She was born in 1863 in Tal Y Bont
Her Father was David Rees (either a Mariner or Miner, can't read the cert) he had died by Nov 1891.
She married Thomas Williams in Bangor in Nov 1891
Their marriage cert gave her address as Aberystwyth in 1891.
Where do I go next? I'd like to get her in an earlier census but Jane Rees daur of David Rees is very common in these parts and I don't know whether she was in Talybont or Aberystwyth or whether David was sailing away etc? It's tricky.
I was thinking about a birth cert but again, common names?
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and I don't know whether she was in Talybont or Aberystwyth
Her actual whereabouts on a census are immaterial - her birthplace is the best search criteria
Talybont in Breconshire or Talybont in Cardiganshire? Ancestry throws up both locations
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1901 mis-spelt as Talytront Cardiganshire. Husband Thomas was a Baptist Minister
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who were witnesses at marriage???
Her husband seems to have middle initial E on census
Suz
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Where are they in 1911 and is her birthplace still shown as Talybont?
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Have you checked out the 1864 baptism on FS with father David?
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it's not that common a name. If she's being honest about her age, which, given she married a younger man, isn't necessarily so, there are only 2 births registered in the Aberystwyth district at the likely time & one a little earlier.
june qtr 1863 Aberystwyth vol 11b pg 77
sep qtr 1863 Aberystwyth vol 11b pg 60
dec qtr 1861 Aberystwyth vol 11b pg 54
You could try ordering the cert from the registrars and ask them only to issue if the father is David
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01he4/
Could you attach a scan of David's occupation from the marriage cert for another opinion?
Does the cert give an address in Aberystwyth for Jane?
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Thanks so much for the replies everyone!
Jane was born in Talybont Cardiganshire.
Her husband was Thomas Edward Williams 1869-1944 a Baptist Minister, born in Aberystwyth.
The witnesses were both Williams but I struggle to read the forenames.
I am reluctant to use the hits I have from FS as the names are a bit too common.
I'm fairly confident about her age because it was consistent even till her death and is on her gravestone.
I have her and Thomas in 1901 and 1911 censuses.
I also have Thomas in 1891, a few months before they married. He was living on Alma Terr, Llanfairpwllgwyngyll, Anglesey.
I've attached their marriage cert. If it helps with deciphering, I know Jane's Father in law was a master mariner. Sorry it's small, I had to crop it to keep it under 500KB.
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think David was a miner, and the address is Penglais Road, but no sign of a Jane Rees there on the 1891 census, no Rees family at all.
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In one of the notices of the marriage in the WelshNewspapersOnline(NLW),Jane Rees is described as "..late Industrial Trainer of the Aberystwyth Workhouse..."
Regards
Roger
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Well, that makes sense as the workhouse was on Penglais Road, on the site of Bronglais hospital. She didn't come up when I searched before and now I can see why, the road name isn't given as part of the workhouse address. She's enumerated as part of the workhouse staff, Industrial trainer, born Talybont aged 34 which would put her birth rather before 1862.
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1871 census Nantyllain, Llancynfelin RG10/5564 folio 24 pg 26
David Rees head mar 49 miner b. Llanbadarn fawr
Mary wife 54 b. Llanbadarn fawr
Jane dau 14 b. Llanfihangel Geneurglyn
David son 12
Lewis son 9
James son 6
Henry son 1
all sons born Llancynfelin
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Same address in 1861.
Regards
Roger
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eldest child is Margaret aged 10 on the 1861. I think the enumerator may have reversed David & Mary's ages on the 1871 census
1851 Penrhylog, Talybont, Llanfihangelgeneurglyn
David Rees head mar 34 hand loom weaver
Mary wife 27
Mary Davies mother in law 56 labourer's wife
all born Llanbadarnfawr
1881 census Mary is widowed, Lewis & Henry still with her RG11/5447 folio 97 pg 22.
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There's a possible burial for David Rees in the Tabernacle in Llanfihangelgenau'rglyn 26 May 1874, Tabernacle being the Baptist church in Talybont. There's a transcription on FreeReg, no age given, but it would appear to tie in with this death reg
David Rees 58 june qtr 1874 Aberystwyth vol 11b pg 57
The marriage registration for David Rees & Mary Davies looks to be Dec qtr 1850 Aberystwyth vol 27 pg 35
FreeReg has some baptisms to the couple in Llangynfelyn parish church
John bp 31 March 1854
Margaretta bp 31 March 1854
Jane bp 3 March 1856
abode noted as Talybont on all of these
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Thanks again everyone! You've all been great!
I think you're onto it with the workhouse connection. Family lore always said there was a female workhouse officer in this line and the newspaper confirms. I found another article about the arrangement for a successor to J Rees.
The 1891 census must surely be her then? So she must be lying about her age but when? Did she lie to make herself younger to her husband or older to her colleagues? ;-)
Not sure then about the jump to the 1871 census and that Rees family. How do we know it's the right one?
Thanks again everyone!
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she wouldn't have been the first woman to lose a few years on marrying a younger man. I would think that the age she gave on the 1891 census before her marriage would be reasonably accurate. Going by the baptism she should have been 35.
As for the 1871 census, it's the only Jane Rees born Talybont with father David, a miner that seems to be around. Abode noted as Talybont on the baptism.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanfihangelGenaur-Glyn/
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I think you're probably right then, osprey, if it's the only Jane, with a mining David for a father in the area then it's a safe bet. I could get the birth cert to be sure i suppose?
It's a bit funny that she kept up the fake birthdate to the grave. Her gravestone gives her 'updated' birthdate.