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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: LUV on Wednesday 06 April 16 04:24 BST (UK)
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Hi All
At the 'general' Ireland board I had a tremendous amount of help the last few days from some pretty great Rootschat members piecing together the 'adult life' of Alexander Moorhead.
Alexander Moorhead was a National Teacher.
He was married 3x - 1895, 1898, 1906 all in Co. Cork
Wife #1 and #2 each died ...
He had four children with Ellen Kingston (wife #2)
On the 1901 he and wife Ellen are living in Curraheen, Rosscarbery, Co. Cork - ALexander is age 41 born Co. Longford.
On the 1911 he and wife Elizabeth are in Church Quarter, Granard Urban, Co. Longford - Alexander is age 50 born Co. Longford
Alexander dies in 1944 in Moatfarrell, Co. Longford, buried Ballinalee Church Cemetery, and his age at death is listed as 84 ...
All these ages are consistent with a birth year for Alexander Moorhead of 1860.
I'd like to find the family in which Alexander came from - his parents and siblings....
Checked FamilySearch and Irishgenealogy but came up empty :-\
Anybody find him?
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Knowing the father's name and occupation from one of the marriage records would help. For the meantime, just to note until you can rule in or out, an Alexander Moorhead was born on 14 November 1859 and baptised on 5 February 1860 in the Church of Ireland in Clonbroney parish, his parents were farmer John Moorhead and Anne Anderson from Drummeel. This couple also had a son Robert (b. 1862).
Familysearch shows a son John born 8 December 1864 and a daughter Jane Anne born 29 December 1867, also the marriage of John Moorhead to Anne Anderson on 30 December 1858, the fathers' names were Alexander Moorhead and Robert Anderson (Familysearch not working 100% correctly for me when I tried this morning, otherwise I would have posted the links, but they're easily found).
Griffiths Valuation shows an Alexander and Hugh Moorhead in the townland of Drummeel, the local print date is 1854:
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
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No reason to start a new topic- there's lots of information already posted on the on e you started two days ago-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745537.27;topicseen
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wonder is there a connection George Kingston ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hee/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Knockskagh/Kilinga/1157374/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Knockakagh/Killinga/443377/
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No harm to have the name of the school in case records show up somewhere.
George lives close to the National School as you would expect, so his place of work is Corran? National School.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000593670/
1901 Alexander had lived in Rosscarbury National School but there is the word at the end?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000601338/
And 1911 Churchquarter National School, again with a word at the end?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002891910/
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FTR
Alexander MOORHEAD married LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=alexander&namel=moorhead&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&yyfrom=1895&yyto=1910&type=M¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&ddPto=&mmPto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Clonakilty&submit=Search) to records
(1) Sept 05 1895 Margaret DONOVAN - one child
(2) Aug 23 1898 Ellen KINGSTON - five children
(3) Jul 10 1906 Bessie (Elizabeth) BAYLIE - ?
LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=moorhead&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&type=B&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100¢ury=&decade=&exact=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&ddPto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&mmPto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Clonakilty) to Civil Birth Records of Children
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Rosscarbery/Curraheen/1162438/) to 1901 Census with second wife and their eldest child
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Granard_Urban/Church_Quarter/583605/) to 1911 census with third wife and four children from second marriage
LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=moorhead&location=&yyfrom=1896&yyto=1910&type=D&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100¢ury=&decade=&exact=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&ddPto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&mmPto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Clonakilty) to Death Records of first wife Margaret and daughter Maggie Jane in 1896
LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=moorehead&location=&yyfrom=1896&yyto=1910&type=D&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100¢ury=&decade=&exact=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&ddPto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&mmPto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Clonakilty) to Death Records of second wife Ellie and son James from second marriage
I don't see any children to the third marriage
On the 1901 census he has his nephew John J MOORHEAD living with the family
This implies most likely that he had a brother that was married in New York
This may be a place to look for a further marriage to prove a link
It would be unusual at that time to be his sister's child as to have the surname MOORHEAD she would either have been unmarried or married a man of the same surname
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Wonder if this could be the nephew John J. Moorhead in 1901 living in Co. Longford 1911 with an uncle Joseph Burns- except birthplace given as Longford-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Edgeworthstown/Main_Street/585131
Note: can't see any sign of this John Moorhead in 1901 but here's the Burns family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Edgeworthstown/Edgeworthstown/1551489
Added- John J. Moorhead born 28 July 1889 Manhattan (New York City)
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July 1892 "City of Paris" arrived Liverpool, England from New York-
Robt Moorhead (29) mechanic
Mary J. Moorhead (24)
John Moorhead (3)
Birth: Robert David Moorhead 19 Aug.1894 Manhattan
father- Robert, mother Mary Jane (nee Burns)
Birth: Margaret Grace Moorhead 12 Oct.1896 Manhattan
father- Robert (34) b.Ireland, mother Mary Ann (nee Burns) (37) b.Ireland
Sorry FamilySearch links aren't working at the moment
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If my possibility at reply #1 is relevant, then notice mention here of Letters of Administration (with the Will and one Codicil annexed) of the personal estate of Alexander Moorhead (d. 27 October 1859), late of Drumeel, granted to John Moorhead his son:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014884/005014884_00121.pdf
A couple of Moor(e)head families in Drumeel in 1901, including Anne, daughter Jennie and grand son Robert D born New York:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Drummeel/Drummeel/1548620/
And an Anne as the mother-in-law in a Kenny family:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Drummeel/Drummeel/1548624/
Edited to add: Possible Will Calendars entry for son John died 1896, probate to Anne the widow:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00448.pdf
Edited again to add: A Will Calendars entry here for a John Moorehead of Drumeel died 1897, administration of the estate (with the will) granted to Catherine Kenny posted above in the census return:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014910/005014910_00152.pdf
So a couple of Drumeel John Moor(e)heads on the go, one died 26 February 1896 (probate to wife Anne), the other died on 5 January 1897 (administration to Catherine Kenny). Something to tease out, IF my reply #1 is relevant in the first place.
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Marriage: 5 May 1888 Manhattan
Robert Moorhead, 27, single, born Co. Longford, parents John Moorhead & Ann Anderson
Maary Jane Burns, 29, single, born Co.Longford, parents Joseph Burns & Margaret Bloomer
So, the 1911 entry for John Moorhead 'nephew' fits BUT look at the names given for his parents!
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Morning all
Once again I am behind the time (but in my defense I am behind the time literally)
Thank you all :o
I am trying to digest and 'compartmentalize' all this great information trying to see now where we are at.
No reason to start a new topic- there's lots of information already posted on the on e you started two days ago
Sorry if this was not the right way to do it :-\ I started the new topic aghadowey as I was told many, many postings ago on another board that when the focus of the research changes make sure you post it in the appropriate board. Since the post two days ago, I can now prove I have the right ALEXANDER and so I don't need to try and track his every moment through Ireland as a Teacher looking for links to his daughter. I want to move backwards for the time being and look for his parents.
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Marriage: 5 May 1888 Manhattan
Robert Moorhead, 27, single, born Co. Longford, parents John Moorhead & Ann Anderson
Maary Jane Burns, 29, single, born Co.Longford, parents Joseph Burns & Margaret Bloomer
So, the 1911 entry for John Moorhead 'nephew' fits BUT look at the names given for his parents!
Interesting... one of the 1901 census return families was still in Drumeel in 1911 and I'm leaning more towards it (though the 1901 census return with the Kenny family Moorehead mother-in-law is probably still related):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Longford/Drummeel/Drummeel/582379/
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I think you found them aghadowey :o
I had started to follow nephew John J who was with Alexander and family on the 1901 Census but I did not want to go too far down the 'rabbit hole' until I knew I had the right family!
Thank you for following him and that lead through to the end !
Father Robert's marriage in New York gives the parents and with what gaffy supplied ... the parents of my Alexander too!
Thank you guys :)
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Oh this certainly isn't the end... do you want more details?
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wonder is there a connection George Kingston ?
Thanks dathai and Sinann, I am going to track Alexander's wife #2 Ellen Kingston's family too.
Yes, since this George Kingston was a National Teacher you never know!
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Oh this certainly isn't the end... do you want more details?
Absolutely!
I have NEVER had so much luck searching an ancestor in Ireland EVER.
Most had immigrated in the 1840's during the Potato Famine - no trace there and little to follow here - so actually finding this group and will all these records!
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Death: 26 Apr.1909 Manhattan
Robert Morehead, 47, born Ireland, married, address- 533 W. 52nd St., driver, parents John Morehead & Anna Anderson
And sadly the reason young John was probably sent to live with relatives in Ireland-
Death: 13 Nov.1896 Manhattan
Mary Jane Moorhead, 36, born Ireland, married, address 354 W. 12th St., buried 15 Nov.1896 Greenwood Cemetery, parents Joseph Burns & Margaret Burns
Greenwood Cemetery burials- grave 292, lot 14964 section 135
child of Robert & Mary Moorhead- 15 Nov.1896
Mary J. Moorhead- 15 Nov.1896 [died childbirth?]
Robert Morehead- 28 Apr.1909
http://www.green-wood.com/burial_search/
more to come here...
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Robert David Moorhead (born 1894 N.Y.) with grandmother in 1901- as gaffy posted earlier
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Drummeel/Drummeel/1548620
1930 "California" arrived N.Y. 1930
Robert David Moorhead, 35, US citizen, motor-driver, last perm. residence- Ireland (other notiations on manifest at FamilySearch)
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And sadly the reason young John was probably sent to live with relatives in Ireland-
Yes, a sad ending ...
There are a couple of those in this lineage line and likely why no one on this side of the pond has gone looking backwards for family on that side :-\ Until now ;D
gaffy your Letters of Administratin and wills and codicils are clearly relevant!
I am wondering if the first death 1896, is for father John (married to Ann Anderson) and then possibly their son John b. 1854 (oops 1864) is the one who dies in 1897 and was maybe married to that Catherine Kenny?
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Looks like the child buried with Mary Jane is the Margaret Grace born in 1896.
Not sure if this has been found yet-
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/l/e/a/Lawrence-Leach/GENE3-0002.html
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Not sure if this has been found yet-
http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/l/e/a/Lawrence-Leach/GENE3-0002.html
Nope have not seen it! And will need to take time and again 'compartmentalize' as I am now having a hard time seeing the forest for all these MOORHEAD trees!!! :P
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Hi all
So I have sifted and sorted (you guys are good!) :o
But before I get too overwhelmed with information on all these Moorhead/Mooreheads from Co. Longford and try to figure out the branches there, I have a few housekeeping items I would like to see if I can have clarification with. Just to help me stayed focused.
I do not want to post on a different board but some of it is in regards to Alexander's 2nd wife Ellen Kingston b. abt 1868 in Co. Cork.
I have sifted through and I cannot for sure find proof that says Ellen's parents are James Kingston and Mary Sullivan.
What I have is just circumstantial - but there seems to have been a couple of Ellen Kingston born in Co. Cork in the time frame. I know on the 1901 Ellen's widow mother "Mary Kingston" is living with her and Alexander so we know Mary is her mother's first name. And we know Ellen's father was dead by 1901 too.
Have I missed a piece here :-\
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Where did you get James Kingston and Mary Sullivan? I can't see it.
I think at the moment the only thing for certain is her mother is Mary born Cork about 1831 and her father died before the 31 March 1901 Census.
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Hi Sinann
That is what I had written in my copious notes but in back tracking today through all these wonderful tidbits and going through all the stuff in the posts over the past 3 days I cannot see where I got those names either :P
You are right
I think at the moment the only thing for certain is her mother is Mary born Cork about 1831 and her father died before the 31 March 1901 Census.
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Re George Kingston,School Teacher
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hek/
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Yes, that is where I saw it dathai thanks
And why I had put question marks in my notes around the couple to mean possible candidates for Ellen's parents if a connection could be made to that George Kingston, National Teacher.
The George Kingston son of James Kingston and Mary Sullivan is born 1865 however the George Kingston National Teacher 1901 & 1911 is indicating by ages on the census that he was born 1861
You would think a 'teacher' would know their birth year????
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There is actually a tree at Ancestry for the family of James Kingston and Mary Sullivan...
How reliable I cannot say :-\
No real certificates to prove or disprove - just uses indexes and censuses
They lists 7 children for the couple
Has son George b. 1865 as marrying in 1896 in New South Wales, living and dying there.
Has daughter Ellen b. 1868 as marrying Alexander Moorhead
But no proof these are correct assumptions
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you are possibly right re his age as he died Aug 1935 age 74 est birth 1861
probate to his Daughter Mary Isabel Sweetnam wife of Alfred
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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Family search acting up again so no link
A Lotta Savoy died 24 Sep 1915 in the Bronx New York age 39 and a divorcee born 10 July 1876 in Canada to Irish parents James C Kingston and Mary Sullivan
they James and Mary were married in Dunmanway 1848
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Remember this? I'd underlined 'married' because wife Mary Jane (nee Burns) had died previously.
Death: 26 Apr.1909 Manhattan
Robert Morehead, 47, born Ireland, married, address- 533 W. 52nd St., driver, parents John Morehead & Anna Anderson
Well, an online tree (yet to be verified) lists wife as Helena Hegarty (1876-1947) with 1 son & 3 daughters!
22 June 1900 "Lucania" arrived N.Y. from Queenstown, Ireland
Robert Moorhead, 34, lab., in NY 1899 for 17 yrs; Helen Moorhead, 24, servant
1910 Census- W. 52nd St., Manhattan
Helena Morehead, 29, Ireland, widow, to US 1901, cleaner- office bldg, 4 children/4 living
Children: Anna Morehead, 7; Helen Morehead, 6; Agnes Morehead, 4; George Morehead, 1
1920 Census- 229 W. 148th St., Manhattan
Helena Morehead, 41, Ire., to US 1900, wid., matron- NY Tel Co
Children: Anna Morehead, 18; Helen Morehead, 16; Agnus Morehead, 14; George Morehead, 11
1930 Census- W 179th St., Manhattan
Helen Moorhead, 51, Irish Free State, to US 1901, marton- NY Telephone
Children: Helen Moorehead, 26; George Moorhead, 22. Also 1 lodger Charles McKay.
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Is there no end to that particular Moorhead Clan :P
So Robert's two surviving children with his wife #1 Mary Jane Burns, his two sons John J and Robert, went back to Ireland it seems with their Dad and it looks like perhaps stayed? Or we see them on the 1901 in the census with their Uncle and the other with his Grandma.
While their Dad Robert remarried in Ireland and went back to the USA with his new wife Helena and had 4 children with her in the USA before dying in 1909.
Alexander his brother was married 3x after all so ... guess I should not be at all surprised!
Thanks aghadowey
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... mention here of Letters of Administration (with the Will and one Codicil annexed) of the personal estate of Alexander Moorhead (d. 27 October 1859), late of Drumeel, granted to John Moorhead his son:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014884/005014884_00121.pdf
... Possible Will Calendars entry for son John died 1896, probate to Anne the widow:
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00448.pdf
Just to add, the reported age of Alexander Moorhead of Drumeel at the time of his burial in 1859 was 88 and the reported age of John Moorhead of Drumeel at the time of his burial in 1896 was 91.
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Thanks gaffy - yes I do think it is them ;)
I have a question that I am sure someone can answer regarding burials and obits circa 1900 Ireland.
We know Alexander's wife Ellen Kingston-Moorhead died 1905 Co.Cork.
The registration district Clonakilty, but more specifically Rosscarbery.
Would it have been probable that there would have been an Obituary for Ellen in the newspaper of that day and place?
Alexander was a Teacher, so an educated man one assumes but was the presence or absence of obits more because of monetary or simply it was not done in that time period?
I know, and thanks to a Rootschatter I have a copy, that Alexander had an Obit in 1944 ..
And secondly, how easy would it be to track down a grave in this area?
Just wondering if perhaps Ellen and her infant son who predeceased her would be buried with more of her Kingston family given that is where she was born?
Trying to get a handle on which Kingston Family Ellen belonged to!
Should I post on Co. Cork?
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The childrens school records for 'Granard Mixed' (COI) National School are online.
Briefly, it says they have all started in the school in June 1908, their previous school being in Ardrahan Co Galway. They all leave in June 1914 with a note saying 'Gone to Ballina"
All have 'Granard' as their residence and Father's occupation listed as a 'N. Teacher'
Don't know if this is the same school their father is teaching at- 'Church Quarter' see Sinnan's post No 4. Time to pull out the maps !
On FindMyPast. If you don't have access, they do a free trial
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Thanks hasta great find :)
So, clearly he did indeed move for his job and to Ballina, Co. Mayo like I had found (he was there in 1924, 1925 as ships records from 3 of the four kids say so). But interesting they seem to gravitate always back to Co. Longford. So Alexander's home is where the kids thought of as home too...
Yes, I will see abt the trial ... last time I did they hook you but when you want to see those records oops...now they want you to really join ;)
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July 1892 "City of Paris" arrived Liverpool, England from New York-
Robt Moorhead (29) mechanic
Mary J. Moorhead (24)
John Moorhead (3)
Birth: Robert David Moorhead 19 Aug.1894 Manhattan
father- Robert, mother Mary Jane (nee Burns)
Birth: Margaret Grace Moorhead 12 Oct.1896 Manhattan
father- Robert (34) b.Ireland, mother Mary Ann (nee Burns) (37) b.Ireland
Sorry FamilySearch links aren't working at the moment
Margaret Grace Moorhead 12 Oct.1896 Manhattan died aged 1 year.
Elizabeth A Moorhead died 8 July 189(2)?
both daus of Robt + Mary J Moorhead
Born NY, Buried Ballinalee
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Jennie Moorhead d/o George died at residence of her b-in-law Thomas John Hayes, Aynmere, Blackrock, Co Dublin on 31 March 1931. Age 85
On same g/stone
James Moorhead, Drumeel, Ballinalee died 11 Jan 1938, age 94
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SORRY...
Jennie Moorhead d/o George, RHYNE, died at residence of her b-in-law Thomas John Hayes, Aynmere, Blackrock, Co Dublin on 31 March 1931. Age 85
On same g/stone
James Moorhead, Drumeel, Ballinalee died 11 Jan 1938, age 94
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No reason to start a new topic- there's lots of information already posted on the on e you started two days ago-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745537.27;topicseen
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Indeed!!
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Hi would their be any connection to William Moorehead 1874-1941 who married Emily Wright 1884-1955, Co Longford.