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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Kenvyn Davies on Wednesday 20 April 16 03:21 BST (UK)
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Through this young lady b 1863, I am trying to establish the parents of William DAVIES with whom she is living in 1881. I have an 1871 Census of Madeley Shropshire recording an Emma Chadwick, mother Sarah b 1840 (states b at Broseley Shropshire) and was probably Sarah DAVIES and a possible sister of William. Sarah DAVIES married Thomas Chadwick in 1861 at Madeley V6A p 830.
The 1881 Madeley Census includes similar family members apart from Emma, perhaps because she lived with William in Barrow.
I know William's father to be John, deceased before 1869 and mother stated to be Hannah EARLSTONE on his death certificate, but could she be Hannah HURLSTON (Shropshire Marriage 15 Sep 1838 at Benthall p27/A/3/3.
The 1881 Barrow Census also includes a Thomas DAVIES b Broseley living with the SAGGAR family, a name familiar and spoken of by my father. Could he be William & Sarah's brother?
I'd love some help here. Too many possibles and not enough evidence.
Ken
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Hi have we not been here before?
31st March 1861 Broseley
Thomas CHADDOCK 21 occ Brick Burner Father James occ Brick Maker
Sarah Davies 21 Father John Davies occ Bricklayer
Witnesses James Chaddock & George Langford
Keyboard86
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Hi again, Sarah in 1841 census:-
John DAVIS 30 occ Bricklayer
Hannah 25
Sarah 2
Charles 2 months?
Residing Broseley, Harris Green
Census Ref HO107/928/ 3/33/9
1851 looks to be with:-
Sarah Davies 74 Widow b Shropshire
Francis 52 Son b Preston, Herefordshire
Sarah Davies 11 Grandaughter b Broseley
Residing at Tining, Broseley
Census Ref HO107/1989/384/29
1851 Census
John Davies 46 occ Bricklayer b Madeley
Mary 43 b Bilston, Staffordshire
Charles 10 b Broseley
William 6 b Broseley
Joseph 8 months b Broseley
Sarah Darby 76 Mother in Law/Widow b Staffordshire
Residing at Buck Alley, Broseley
Census Ref HO107/1989/364/36
Marriage 24th July 1848 Broseley
John Davies Widower occ Bricklayer Father John Davies
Mary Derby Father Benjamin Derby occ Roller in Iron Works
William/Thomas/Charles in 1861 census:-
Francis Davies 61 occ Bricklayer b Preston, Herefordshire
Ann 55
Charles 20 Nephew
William 16 Nephew
Thomas 8 Nephew
All others shown born Broseley
Residing at Tining, Broseley
Census Ref RG09/1859/46/40
Keyboard86
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Many thanks Keyboard86 for all your hard work.
The last item on your list, the 1861 Census showing the Francis & Ann family, I had seen and considered a possibility on the basis that William is shown as an Iron Works Labourer, a step in the ladder to the engineer he became. So maybe.
There are a couple of things though that don't gell.
Firstly, Emma Chadwick.
I've tried and tried to find Census entries for CHADDOCk without success and I can't see how Emma fits in there whereas I see it fairly clearly within the marriage of Sarah Davies to Thomas CHADWICK. Except my records don't state her parentage.
Secondly, is that in his marriage certificate, William shows his father's occupation as 'Engine Driver.' not bricklayer.
Lastly, the big question still remains, who was Hannah?
It is frustrating looking at the records that are available to me on the internet to find that parents names are rarely given, and where father's names are sometimes shown, mothers appear as Christian name only.
So once again, many thanks, and I think the mystery remains.
Ken
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That marriage on Freebmd v6A p 830 is CHADDOCK not Chadwick, but Chadwick on FindMyPast?
So another Sarah Davies failure, it is that occupation of Engine Driver that puzzles me?
If you want my opinion with the years of birth for William & Thomas/Sarah as examples I really cannot believe what else you feel is necessary to prove that these are the relatives of Emma Chadwick b c 1863 in 1881?
Also what was so wrong with that 1838 marriage for John/Hannah?
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:) So find this marriage, and it is not v6A page 830 on Freebmd, but I think this is the Chaddock family!
1861 census
Thomas Chadwick 21 occ Brick Maker
Sarah Chadwick 21
Both born Broseley
RG09/1859/42/32
This is the CHADDOCK family in 1851 census
James 34 occ Brick Maker
Elizabeth 36 b Kenley
George 14
Elizabeth 11
Thomas 11
James 8
John 3
Residing at back of Mrs Thomas Shop, Broseley
Census Ref HO107/1989/362/33
1861 Same family headed by James CHADWICK 45 occ Tile Maker b Broseley
Census Ref RG09/1859/11/16
So looks like Thomas/Hannah were twins.
Birth registrations:-
June qtr 1839 Madeley
Hannah CHEDDOCK v18 page 90
Thomas CHEDDOCK v18 page 91
So as you can see in possibly the case of William's mother Hannah, Hurlston could also be an Earlston/e?
Keyboard86
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Thank you keyboard86. How can I ever thank you enough for all that you have done.
My mind wouldn't rest last night thinking of the 'engine driver'. I think the explanation must be that the brides father is also quoted as 'engine driver' and whoever provided the info. just thought that it sounded good for both. I'm happy with 'brick layer' or whatever and am amazed at how you were able to unravel all the twists and turns. I figured on the CHADDOCK and CHADWICK and am so pleased that after so long, the searching is done.
We are done and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Ken.
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;D No problem at all, thoroughly enjoyed the chase, if you follow Francis Davies back to 1841 census you will find his father/mother/siblings in Broseley, Joseph on the 1851, dies aged 6 ( burial record for him on FindMyPast)
Finally have you noted in the 1871 census, Charles aged 30 and Thomas aged 18 are shown as "Sons" to a "Widowed" Ann Davies aged 64, who appears to have been the "Wife" of Francis in 1861
Residing at Tining Road, Broseley
Census ref RG10/2757/45/43
In 1881aged 74 Single b Broseley
Census ref RG11/2639/33/16
An Ann DAVIS died December qtr 1883 Madeley aged 76?
So just who was she?!
Keyboard86
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Hi
Think I may be able to help with who Ann Davies could possibly be :)
Look at the lodgers in the 1871 census with Ann, Charles and Thomas, ( on Anc* ) William and Alfred CORFIELD both aged 20.
I went back to the 1851 census, and did a broad search of an ANN , no surname born 1807 Broseley, only one came back ....ANN CORFIELD.
Servant to an Andrew Dodd, barge owner.
Class: HO107; Piece: 1989; Folio: 485; Page: 21
claire
EDIT: there is also a marriage in the Dec. Qtr. 1858 Madeley district of
Ann CORFIELD and John DAVIS
Several possible deaths of a John Davis in Madeley district before 1861 census, where you find an Ann with Francis Davies.
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I know she would never have known it, but Emma Chadwick is like a volcano, one which keeps erupting day after day, bring forth new gems from deep below the surface.
My initial need to find my great grandmother, Hannah, has already gone further than I anticipated and it seems sad to think that she, like so many others, probably died in childbirth.
How my father and his brothers/sister would love to know the story that you and I have developed, but too late for them, but not too late for those who follow me. I've decided to continue now and try to find Emma's later life.
I can never thank you enough for all your help and guidance and I wish that there was something I could do for you to show my appreciation.
If you know of something, don't hesitate to ask.
Ken
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:) Ken if I ever get the chance to get to Australia, I'll bear you in mind!!
Also I do not like loose ends on a thread, Ann Davies aged 74 is Single in 1881, the lodgers in 1871 census with Ann/Charles/Thomas are William Corfield 23 ( on original) b Wolverhampton, and Alfred Corfield 20 b Broseley, at present cannot locate these two in 1851/61 seperate /together?
Keyboard86
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Think this may be them in 1851, though ages are out
Broseley; King Street
Sarah Corfield hd widow 34 Seamstress. Born Broseley, Shrops
Henry son 16 labourer " "
Ann dau 14 scholar " "
WILLIAM son 6 " " Wolverhampton Staffs.
ALFRED " 3 " Broseley, Shrops.
Class: HO107; Piece: 1989; Folio: 437; Page: 24
EDIT: possible baptism for William
CORFIELD: William son of Thomas & Sarah bpt. 15 Jul 1845 of Warwick Street, fathers occ. Labourer
claire
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Mother Sarah remarries a Benjamin SALL, Alfred is with them in 1861 census, no William
Class: RG 9; Piece: 1859; Folio: 46; Page: 40
claire
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Hi Claire, thanks!
1841 census
Thomas Corfield 31
Sarah 25
Henry 7
Ann 4
Thomas 2
Residing Harris Green, Broseley
Census ref HO107/928/ 3/43/ 29
( Same area /address as John Davies)
Baptism Ann Corfield born 9th November 1806 baptism 15th February 1807, baptised same day a Jn Corfield born February 13th 1803
Baptism Thomas Rutland Corfield 1st March 1809 All shown as Broseley Father Wm/Fran or Wm/Fanny
Keyboard86
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You're welcome
Good work :)
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Hi again the Davies/Corfield families must have been well acquainted, as in 1851 census at Buck Alley, Broseley we have next door to John Davies & family :-
Frances Corfield 68
John 46 occ Butcher
William 29 occ China Potter
Buck Alley, Broseley
Census ref HO107/1989/364/37
Davies family HO107/1989/364/36
1841 Census
William Corfield 66
Frances 54
John 34
William 18
Richard 15
Residing at Duke Street, Broseley
Census ref HO107/928/ 5/29 / 18
Keyboard86
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Wonder who the John DAVIS was who Ann Corfield married ? Was he a Davies family member or an entirely different Davis altogether.
claire
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Wonder who the John DAVIS was who Ann Corfield married ? Was he a Davies family member or an entirely different Davis altogether.
claire
;D Only problem is FindMyPast say she married a Thomas Lloyd?!
6a 1221 Madeley 1858 missing lady?
Keyboard86
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OOPS ;)
Well at least the Corfield bit is right, but who was Thomas Lloyd then
claire
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Again FindMyPast say John Davis married a Winifred Henry 6a 1228 Madeley
Keyboard86'
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Right
John DAVIS married Winifred
ANN CORFIELD m Thomas LLoyd
Fanny Ellis m John Barratt..................is that correct
FreeBMD have two missing people
Barratt John
Corfield Ann
Davis John
Henry Winifred
FS them: Fanny Ellis and Thomas LLoyd
Thought I was going mad for a minute, couldn't find Thomas LLoyd
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;D It is a weird scenario, Ann Davies 74 was single in 1881, apparently married to Francis in 1861, and a possible foster mother to her brothers ( Corfield) children along with two of John Davies's by 1871?
Keyboard86
One way or another truly a respected/lovely lady :)
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I'll say :)
Found it weird finding them all so close together ( Corfields and Davies) in the census's and not seeing them first time round when just looking for Ann Davies.
claire
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Seems like you two are enjoying each others company.
I've not added much myself today other than chase down another Census 1901 showing Emma Chadwick and her sister Mary, both domestic servants for a Potts family at Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire.
I haven't come across anything later neither in Census nor Deaths so I'm hoping that my little volcano
married someone nice and enjoyed life to the full.
Pleasant dreams.
Ken
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Hi again Ken, Emma possibly married a John Kershaw December qtr 1901 Barton I 8c 979?
Keyboard86
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I have the details, was her father a Thomas ? Brick & Tile burner
claire
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Hi have we not been here before?
31st March 1861 Broseley
Thomas CHADDOCK 21 occ Brick Burner Father James occ Brick Maker
Sarah Davies 21 Father John Davies occ Bricklayer
Witnesses James Chaddock & George Langford
Keyboard86
Hi Claire, these are her parents, in last census this Sarah S Chadwick is with Emma/John:-
1901 census :-
John Chadwick 39
Emily 41
John T 11
Emily E 10
William F 8
Sarah S 6
Charles E 3
George C 2
Sarah 61 Widow/Mother
All born Broseley
Residing at Foundry Lane, Broseley
Census ref RG13/2529/24/5
I noted on an earlier Census, Sarah b c 1839/40 has added a middle initial "L"
Death Sarah L Chadwick December qtr 1916 Madeley 6a 838 aged 77
PS Mary Chadwick aged 19 in 1901, married a Noah Oakley March qtr 1906 Madeley 6a 892
Keyboard86
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Hi
St Peters Church, Swinton : 9th November 1901 after Banns
John Kershaw 30 bach. labourer of 26 Ellesmere Street. Father: Isaac Kershaw (dec): labourer
Emma Chadwick 37 spins. Domestic Servant of 12 Primrose Hill. Father: Thomas Chadwick (dec) Brick and Tile burner
Both signed register
Witnesses: Thomas Wiston and Ann Wiston
claire
EDIT: At least she married and 'adopted' a son. :)
POSSIBLE DEATH REG: Emma Kershaw
Death March Qtr. 1934 Barton I (Barton upon Irwell)
Age 70
Vol. 8c Page: 689
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Possible marriage for Mary CHADWICK
March Qtr. 1906 Madeley Vol. 6a Page: 892
CHADWICK Mary <<<<<<<<
Leadbetter Eliza Ann
OAKLEY Noah <<<<<<<<
Pinner Robert
claire
EDIT:Oops ~ Keyboard ~ didn't see you'd already found marriage for Mary Chadwick :o
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Gosh Claire, now I owe both yourself and keyboard86 drinks and whatever.
The two of you have become wonderful mates to me and my family through all the work that you have done.
We are coming to the UK next year and hope to visit some of the villages/towns/cities where these ancestors worked, but my feeling is that they didn't play much.
People talk of the 'good old days', but my impression of these families is that they were on the bread line.
Yet, that is not what my father's brothers and sister thought.
They were very humble people themselves having lost, like their grandfather, their parents at a very early age. The world has come a long way since those days and my grandchildren don't have any idea, yet.
I've been captivated by Emma Chadwick, she's been the guiding light in this exercise, and I fell in love with the thought of her. I'm glad to hear that someone swept her off her feet. And her little sister too.
Many thanks again Claire.
I don't know how to add those little smilies but I'll touch one and see what happens.
Ken :-*
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Hi,
Very lovely words, thank-you very much indeed Ken, although I have to recognize that on this occasion Keyboard did most of the hard work and is very thorough :), let's just say I fleshed out the bones a bit :)
It is lovely when you can give your ancestors their 'happy ending' and it looks like Emma and Mary Chadwick achieved that.
I will add that Emma's adopted son was a Joseph Grass born 25th May 1908 Clifton, Lancashire. I feel this is probably the area in Salford, Manchester, rather than Clifton near Kirkham Lancs., (which incidently is where my ancestors are from !!)
I hope on your visit to the UK you get to see some of Shropshire, it's a very beautiful rural place, well worth a visit.
Thanks Ken
Regards
Claire
Edit: Joseph Glass died in the Salford District in 1982
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:) Hi again Ken, beautifully worded response, thought while I was about it would at least find the siblings of Emma's marriages:-
Francis Chadwick 23? Occ Labourer
Elizabeth Goodall 20
Both residing Rock Cottages, Jackfield
Groom Father Thomas Chadwick occ? Fireman
James Goodall occ Engine Driver
Witnesses Hannah Chadwick Mary Ann Goodall
25th December 1895 Broseley
William Edward Evans 32 occ Labourer Father Charles Evans occ Chain Maker
Hannah Chadwick 31 Father Thomas occ Burner?
Witnesses John/Emma Chadwick
19th April 1897 Broseley
John Edwards 26 occ Labourer Father John Edwards occ Labourer
Elizabeth Chadwick 26 Father Thomas occ Burner
Witnesses John Chadwick Annie Edwards
25th December 1894 Broseley
John Chadwick 26 occ Labourer Father Thomas occ Burner
Emily Shaw 28 Father Edwin occ Miner?
Witnesses William Shaw Anna Chadwick
1st July 1888 Broseley
By the looks of it on your visit next year it would seem irresponsible not to visit Broseley, never been there myself, but as Claire stated Shropshire is a beautiful county!!
Keyboard86
PS An online tree states the "Middle name" shown by Sarah b 1839/40 in at least one census is Lucas, no evidence shown?
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Thank you again both. I must admit that when searching and finding names for my trees, I have acted like a fisherman. 'Got one.' But you and Emma have turned me around, and now I'm seeing people, as they were, and reading between the lines, allowing me to understand more about their lives.
I'm not convinced that Emma ended up happy, in fact I think that the miserable life (even by the standards then) probably continued as before. Don't look, you've done so much, but I couldn't find her on later Census after 1911, but there are some John Kershaws died soon after that date. And of course the Great War. One thing I wasn't sure about in your messages, was, whether Ann Davis, wife of Francis, was in your opinions, Ann Corfield. One of my guesses concerns master Thomas Davies born in 1854 of John and Mary. The William Davies family arrived here in 1884 together with, in their party, a W.Davies born abt 1854. My guess is that it was Thomas as other spelling mistakes occured on the passenger list. As to my visit next year (my 3rd attempt) we are bringing one of our daughters and family over for a tour of Europe(granddaughter wants to see Big Ben) and either before or after, my wife and I will try to work our way around through Cornwall and Wales. Shropshire and Staffordshire should be added now, though, from what has been found here, I imagine that Broseley is one great big Davies/Chadwick cemetery. Deepest thanks to you both.
Ken