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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Elaine-R on Sunday 24 April 16 22:12 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find information on the McGivern family of Blackwatertown, Moy.
Some of the family were adopted or fostered about the 1920's, there was Kathleen who was born 1920, Sarah and Fred. There was an older sister Susan born 1900, married Edward Cranney in 1921 and sttled in Derrycaw.
Kathleen married Thomas Leckey and settled in Banbridge. I'm trying to find out who their parents were and why they had been put into care, not sure if both parents had died.
Fred was in the merchant navy and I think he may have settled in England. Think there was other children as well.
All help would be much appreciated
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You've posted on DOWN board yet Blackwater, Moy and Derrycaw are all in Co. Armagh.
If Susan was born c1900 and Kathleen in 1920 then there were possibly quite a few children in between.
Susan's 1921 marriage certificate should list her father's name and occupation which might help finding details of her parents. I can't find a likely entry for Susan in 1901 or 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Searching through several databases given the following-
Susan McGivern, daughter of James, married 11 Sept.1921 (Banbridge district) to Edward Cranny.
The only Fred McGivern I can find in 1911 census is the son of Joseph in Belfast (born 12 Dec.1905 Belfast district, mother- McIntyre)
Added- meant to mention earlier that Kathleen's birth certificate will list names of both parents.
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HI,
This may help. On 11 Nov 1896 James McGivern married Kathleen Connor in Loughbrickland Roman Catholic Church, Banbridge. Susan and Edward Cranny were also married in Loughbrickland R.C. Church. However there was another marriage of a James McGivern in Loughbrickland R.C.Church on 9 Aug 1900 to Hannah kennedy.
Regards
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However there was another marriage of a James McGivern in Loughbrickland R.C.Church on 9 Aug 1900 to Hannah kennedy.
This looks to be the family of the above couple-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Annaclone/Ardbrin/208675
Births- father McGiv*/mother Kennedy (Banbridge district)-
Margaret born 18 Oct.1901
Hannah born 27 Aug.1903
Mary born 27 Aug.1903
Bridget born 19 Dec.1904
Lizzie born 10 Jan.1907
Patrick born 24 Mar.1909
John born 7 July 1911
Andrew born 3 Feb.1913
Lucy born 20 Dec.1915
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Many thanks Aghadowey and Kingskerswell,
this information will give me something to work with and hopefully get me further with my research :).
Much appreciated x
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Hi,
Was wondering is there any way that I can transfer this information to the Co Armagh Board please.
Elaine
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Just click on 'report to moderator' and asked for the whole thread to be moved to ARMAGH board.
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Many thanks aghadowey :)
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find information on the McGivern family of Blackwatertown, Moy.
Some of the family were adopted or fostered about the 1920's, there was Kathleen who was born 1920, Sarah and Fred. There was an older sister Susan born 1900, married Edward Cranney in 1921 and settled in Derrycaw.
Kathleen ( born 21/04/1920 ) married Thomas Leckey and settled in Banbridge. I'm trying to find out who their parents were and why they had been put into care, not sure if both parents had died.
Fred was in the merchant navy and I think he may have settled in England. Think there was other children as well.
All help would be much appreciated
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Hi,
I've updated DOB for Kathleen which is 21/04/1920
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Kathleen married Thomas Leckey and settled in Banbridge. I'm trying to find out who their parents were and why they had been put into care, not sure if both parents had died.
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Hi,
I've updated DOB for Kathleen which is 21/04/1920
Now that you have an exact date of birth you can order her birth certificate and get names of both parents, search for their death certificates, etc.
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My GG grandmothers name was Sarah Elizabeth McGivern. She was born Cheshire, England in 1879. She married Clinton W. CHASE 10 February 1897 in Edgar Illinois.They had a daughter, my great grandmother Elizabeth Hazel Chase and 6 other children.
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Welcome to Rootschat but I can't see that your Sarah Elizabeth McGivern is connected to this family from County Armagh :-\
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Thank You, I will keep searching.
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Hi Sarah,
My Sarah McGivern born about 1915 married in Banbridge, she married Hugh McCaffery.
The McGivern family I'm researching has
Susan born 1900/1901
Mary born apt 1902/1903
Sarah born apt 1915
James born apt 1920
Kathleen born 1921
There is also Freddie not sure when he was born, he was in the merchant navy and may have settled in England.
Both parents died late 1920's or early 30's as the younger children where brought up by a woman with the surname Trainor and lived in Rathfriland Street, Banbridge.
Tried Groni to see if I could find birth information especially for Susan who was born first but haven't been successful.Also tried this website which is free and has great records,
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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My GG grandmothers name was Sarah Elizabeth McGivern. She was born Cheshire, England in 1879. She married Clinton W. CHASE 10 February 1897 in Edgar Illinois.They had a daughter, my great grandmother Elizabeth Hazel Chase and 6 other children.
Sarah- if you'd like help finding details of your family just start a new topic here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/beginners/
Be sure to tell us what you have already found and what you'd like help with and we'll do our best to find information or suggest where you can search next :)
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could this be Frederick born 1917
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9672174
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Hi Dathai,
Thanks for the information, It's a good possibility that it is him, will research a bit more before adding him to the family tree,hoping to get a birth certificate for Kathleen, then I'll definitely get their mothers name.
Many thanks,
Elaine
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A Margaret McGivern full age from Meenan,Loughbrickland father James''deceased'' married John McAlinden in 1919.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09679/5510667.pdf
while Susan said her father was ''alive'' in 1921
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09230/5339959.pdf
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Wonder could Mrs Trainor be an Aunt ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10305/5751390.pdf
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Hi Dathai,
I came across those marriages as well, I know definitely Susan married Edward.I was also thinking that Catherine who married James Trainor could be an aunt and the Mrs Trainor that they lived with. I noticed with Catherine's marriage that Maggie McGivern was a witness, it gives me something to work with.
Many thanks,
Elaine.
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Hi.
I'm trying to find my nans father.
All I have is that he was a sailor and was adopted in Ireland and his name which my nan said was Frederick Mcgivern.
Unfortunately my nan died a while ago so I had no other details.
He left my great nan when my nan was still young.
But I have found a navy record of a Frederick Mcgivern that says he was born in 1917.
Any chance this could be related?
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Hi Bridiewoo,
I've sent you a personal message. Just check your message box.
Regards,
Elaine x