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Title: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 14 June 16 18:58 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace descendants of;-

Dudley Gerald Snape     born 1886 circa   Islington, London.
Agnes Catherine Gillies  born 1896 circa   Cogan, Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales.

They emigrated to Canada (where they were married ?) and then onto the United States.

I believe they had several Children.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: shellyesq on Tuesday 14 June 16 19:09 BST (UK)
There is a family tree that says Dudley died 1950 in Toronto and Agnes died 1964 in England while visiting her sister.  It also says that their children were Catherine Adela Snape (1922-1980) and Dudley Barrington Snape (3 Nov. 1928-Sept. 1977), who both died in Toronto. 
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 14 June 16 19:16 BST (UK)
Thank you.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 14 June 16 21:08 BST (UK)
The Lethbridge Herald (Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada) 29 December 1950 - If Run Kitty comes along she might be able to find an obituary for Dudley which gives us more information on family.

Sandra

Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 14 June 16 21:22 BST (UK)
Canada Voters List 1968 shows Dudley B Snape - (salesman) and Mrs Kathleen Snape at 34 Child Drive York Ontario.

Canada Voters List 1974 shows Dudley Snape (plant manager) Mrs K Snape (cust clerk) and a possible 2 sons "J" was a student and "G" a printer - 34 Child Dr. York

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 14 June 16 22:04 BST (UK)


They emigrated to Canada (where they were married ?) and then onto the United States.


Dudley Gerald Snape aged 36 years, bacheleor  married Agnes Catherine Gillies aged 26 yerars. spinster on 12 July 1922 York Ontario.
Witnesses Hilda E Smith of Toronto and Alex Gillies of Windsor Ontario.

Copy of marriage - Ontario Marriages

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994V-ZC6Z?i=1094&wc=3NW6-7M3%3A1584308903%2C1584369601%2C1584369901%3Fcc%3D1784216&cc=1784216

Sandra

Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 14 June 16 22:26 BST (UK)
Canadian Passenger List - Liverpool to Montreal on the Montclare - 6 June 1926 - Agnes Snape aged 29 years born Penarth - Catherine aged 2 1/2 years born Cochrane Canada. Father was John Gillies Plassey Sq - No7 Penarth - Agnes had been in Canada from 1921 - 1926 - Returning to her husband D Snape - Pagwa River Ontario -

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 14 June 16 23:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra, great
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 09:44 BST (UK)
Believe this post would benefit the poster more if it was moved to the Canada Board. Sure more info could be found to help.  ;)

Sandra
Title: Canadian & American Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Wednesday 15 June 16 11:44 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace descendants of;-

Dudley Gerald Snape     born 1886 circa   Islington, London.
Agnes Catherine Gillies  born 1896 circa   Cogan, Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales.

They emigrated to Canada (where they were married ?) and then onto the United States.

I believe they had several Children.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Wednesday 15 June 16 11:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra, posed onto Canada board.
Title: Re: Canadian & American Cousins
Post by: manawakian on Wednesday 15 June 16 12:10 BST (UK)
They married on 26 Jun 1922 in Toronto.
Title: Re: Canadian & American Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 12:24 BST (UK)
It would be better if the original post was moved over to avoid further duplication - I have asked Sarah if she could do this for you.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 12:32 BST (UK)
Have asked Sarah if she will move this post to Canada so that we keep everything altogether and it saves duplication.

topics merged

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: sarah on Wednesday 15 June 16 14:20 BST (UK)
Hello Rainbow Rebel,

I have merged your two topics together under Canada for you ;)

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 15:30 BST (UK)
Hello,

Obit for Dudley Gerald Snape is in the Globe and Mail newspaper, on Dec 28, 1950, page 23.  It says he died at his home, 286 Warden Ave, Birch Cliff, on Tuesday.. from a heart attack.  He was 64.  He had been with the Hudsons Bay company for "some years".   

He had been a resident of Toronto since 1932 and had worked for the Ontario Liquor Control Board for a while. He was born in England, father was Bertram Snape, who had been involved with the management of the Hudsons Bay Company.  As a young many, Dudley had gone to South Africa and was a manager of a plantation.  He came back to England at the beginning of WW1 and served in France with the Imperial Army.  After the war, he came to Canada and was the manager of several Hudsons Bay posts in Manitoba, Northern Quebec, and Northern Ontario.  He travelled extensively in Europe and the Orient.

He was a member of the Legion of Frontiersmen, Beaches Post, Canadian Legion, Beaches Liberal Association and St. Nicholas Anglican Church, Birch Cliff. 

Leaves his wife, Agnes C Gilles, daughter Mrs John Sweetman, son Dudley Barrington Snape, all of Toronto.  3 sisters and 2 brothers. 

RK

Shorter obit in the Toronto Star on Dec 28, 1950, page 20.  Has essentially the same information.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 15:51 BST (UK)
There is a family tree that says Dudley died 1950 in Toronto and Agnes died 1964 in England while visiting her sister.  It also says that their children were Catherine Adela Snape (1922-1980) and Dudley Barrington Snape (3 Nov. 1928-Sept. 1977), who both died in Toronto.

Dudley B died in 1978... obit in the Globe and Mail, Sept 12 1978, page 45.  He died on Sept 11 1978 at the Toronto Wellesley Hospital.  He had lived in Aurora (which is just north of Toronto).  Husband of Kay Brown.  Father of G, D (Mrs T Shaw), J, K and S.  (Will PM the names to you, in case they are still living).  Brother of Adela (Mrs J Sweetman).

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:01 BST (UK)
Catherine Adela Snape Sweetman died on Feb 16 1989 in Scarborough (the eastern part of Toronto).  Wife of Jack Sweetman.  Mother of J L Sweetman (male), grandmother of N Sweetman (female).  Sister of the late Dudley. 

Obit in the Globe and Mail newspaper, 17 Feb 1989, page A16. 

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:06 BST (UK)
Great stuff RK - So anc tree was a little out with the death dates for Catherine and Dudley Barrington Snape.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:11 BST (UK)
Yes, dates are a bit off  :)... having trouble finding Agnes's obit.  Perhaps not in 1964??

RK :)
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:13 BST (UK)
John Sweetman died Dec 23 2006 in his 88th year.  Husband of the late Del (Catherine Adela Snape).  Father of J L Sweetman, grandfather of N Anderson (her husband is C).  Great grandfather of E. 

Toronto Star 27 Dec 2006, page B3

RK 
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:16 BST (UK)
Canada Voters List 1957 shows John G Sweetman (salesman) and Mrs Adela C Sweetman - 6 Pell Street

1963 Voters List -  Adela is described as a cost accountant. John Sweetman (sales) - Apt 606 Kennedy Road Scarborough York Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:18 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra... so looking for obit after 1963 for Agnes.

OOPS - misread that... said Adela!!! 

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:20 BST (UK)
Agnes nee Gillies Snape death registered UK - September 1963 - Agnes C Snape - aged 67 years - Chichester - 5 H 502

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Wednesday 15 June 16 16:55 BST (UK)
Thank you for the information. A great help.(brilliant)
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:07 BST (UK)
The privacy laws are quite strict in Canada so Run Kitty has done you proud, trawling newspapers and searching for those obits.

Dudley Gerald Snape seems to have a sister Grace Marguerite Snape born 1894 who immigrates to Canada - Liverpool to Quebec on the Grampain - 1 July 1916. Going to brother manager Hudson Bay Co.

Have you any further info on Grace ? THere is an anc tree which says - passed away 1975 - married - ? Zagar - Toronto  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:07 BST (UK)
You are welcome Rainbow Rebel :) :)

Thanks Sandra... finally found Agnes (didn't work with her name, so had to be creative).. having a narrow date range really helped.  Would never have found the obit without your help :)

Agnes died suddenly on July 11 1963, while visiting in Chichester England.  Agnes (Kit) Snape, wife of the late Dudley G Snape, mother of Adela (Mrs John Sweetman) and Dudley.  Grandmother of L (the J L from other obits), G, D, J, K and S.  Sister of Anne (Mrs S Wellington of Chichester), Phyllis (Mrs R Williams), Charles Gillies of Penarth, Wales, Andrew Gillies of Detroit Michigan.  Cremation service at Chichester, Sussex, England.

Globe and Mail, 16 July 1963, page 35

RK :) :)
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:13 BST (UK)
This looks like the brother of Agnes Gillies - Andrew Gillies - 26 July 1902 - passed away October 1969 - Last Residence 48170 Plymouth, Wayne, Michigan. Gives a link to American cousins perhaps  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:19 BST (UK)
Detroit Border Crossing - Andrew Hay Gillies - born 26 July 1902 Penarth Wales - accompanied by Emily and son John Charles Gillies. Think the date for this is 1952 not 1982. Andrew was a shipper.
Last permanent address was 11326 O Brien Blvd Montreal. Going to cousin John Nolan, 1533 Burlingame Detroit 6 Michigan. Purpose in going to the USA was to be a permanent resident.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:21 BST (UK)
The privacy laws are quite strict in Canada so Run Kitty has done you proud, trawling newspapers and searching for those obits.

Dudley Gerald Snape seems to have a sister Grace Marguerite Snape born 1894 who immigrates to Canada - Liverpool to Quebec on the Grampain - 1 July 1916. Going to brother manager Hudson Bay Co.

Have you any further info on Grace ? THere is an anc tree which says - passed away 1975 - married - ? Zagar - Toronto  ???

Sandra

Hi,

Death of Grace M Zoeger... at Scarborough General Hospital on Friday May 28, 1976.  Wife of the late Edward Zoeger.  Remembered by Zoeger, Snape and Sweetman families. 

Globe and Mail, May 29, 1976, page 52.

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:23 BST (UK)
On a Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30 a for Andrew Hay Gillies arriving 13 February 1923 - Saint Johns New Brunswick - destined to brother Alexander Gillies 430 Vere Place Windsor Ontario. Nearest relative in country from whence came was Jessie Gillies, 7 Plassey Square, Penarth. South Wales.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:25 BST (UK)
Edward Louis Zoeger died at St. Michaels Hospital (Toronto) on Feb 20 1965.  Address 66 Scarborough Heights Blvd.  Husband of Grace M Snape.  Obit lists his siblings.  Interment Pine Hills Cemetery.

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:26 BST (UK)
The privacy laws are quite strict in Canada so Run Kitty has done you proud, trawling newspapers and searching for those obits.

Dudley Gerald Snape seems to have a sister Grace Marguerite Snape born 1894 who immigrates to Canada - Liverpool to Quebec on the Grampain - 1 July 1916. Going to brother manager Hudson Bay Co.

Have you any further info on Grace ? THere is an anc tree which says - passed away 1975 - married - ? Zagar - Toronto  ???

Sandra

Hi,

Death of Grace M Zoeger... at Scarborough General Hospital on Friday May 28, 1976.  Wife of the late Edward Zoeger.  Remembered by Zoeger, Snape and Sweetman families. 

Globe and Mail, May 29, 1976, page 52.

RK

Excellent as usual RK - really pleased I stalk you  ;) ;) Ancestry helped a little - Zager - Zoeger  ::)

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:36 BST (UK)
There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.

I have:-  Grace Marguerita Snape  Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
                                                 Married George Robert Redfearn
                                                 Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England

I will let you know the outcome
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:38 BST (UK)
Attestation Papers for Alexander Gillies (brother of Agnes Gillies/Snape and Andrew Hay Gillies)
Alexander born 1 July 1886

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=421410

Remember to click on pdf format    B3546-S009 to get the full military file

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:39 BST (UK)
There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.

I have:-  Grace Marguerita Snape  Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
                                                 Married George Robert Redfearn
                                                 Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England

I will let you know the outcome

Please do - the Grace obit that RK found does say she was related to the Snape/Sweetman families
 ???

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:47 BST (UK)
Canada War Graves shows another brother of Agnes Gillies - John Nimmo Gillies - 28 th Battalion. Previously reported missing believed killed now for official purposes presumed to have died. Attack near Zillebeke.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/1592464

http://www.canadaatwar.ca/memorial/world-war-i/58690/private-john-nimmo-gillies/

http://www.everymanremembered.org/cemeteries/cemetery/91800/?page=917

http://libgeohistprd01.uwaterloo.ca/items/show/103127

http://www.friendsofstaugustines.org/roll-of-honour/mini-histories/

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=312424.msg5728898#msg5728898

FIND A GRAVE

Private John Nimmo Gillies

Burial Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial  Ypres (Ieper) Arrondissement Ieper
West Flanders (West-Vlaanderen), Belgium
Plot: www.cwgc.org

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=GI&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GScntry=19&GSsr=1481&GRid=12047252&

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 17:55 BST (UK)
Emily D. Gillies (wife of Andrew Gillies) 25 July 1904 Dublin passed away 4 April 1988 - Last Residence 32074 Ormond Beach, Volusia, Florida.  SSN issued Michigan (1952-1953)

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 18:00 BST (UK)
Attestation Papers for John Nimmo Gillies -

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=416090

Don't forget  PDF format B3549A-S058 for the full military file

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Wednesday 15 June 16 18:03 BST (UK)
I have all the details of John Nimmo Gillies. I have in my possession his War Medal, and documentation, they were sent after his death to his parents John & Jessie (nee Nimmo) Gillies in Penarth, Wales.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 18:22 BST (UK)
Only looked at Gillies angle because you mentioned American relatives and Andrew did cross the border into the USA - Perhaps we shouldn't persue the Gillies family for further info - not knowing what you might already have -

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 19:39 BST (UK)
Back to Snape - although we don't know what you have on siblings of Dudley  ???

Brother Cecil Russell Snape born 4 March 1888 passed away in San Diego California  27 February 1953
Mother maiden surname Gant.

Border Crossing from Mexico gives address 4258 Jewel Street San Diego California
Had been in the USA 29/5/1949 arriving New York  - to date which was 13/11/1949

There are a couple of New York Passenger LIst showing Cecil arriving - 31 March 1919 and 22 November 1921

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 19:41 BST (UK)
Wife of Cecil - Helena Florence born 25 August 1894 other country passed away 10 November 1974 - San Diego. California.

Last Residence 92103 San Diego, San Diego, California.

Naturalized 4 November 1954

Helena appears in city directories as the widow of Cecil

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 20:04 BST (UK)
Brother Bertram/Bertrand Snape returned to Canada 17 November 1919 on the Tunisian - had been in Toronto 1912 - 1919

Sandra

Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 20:30 BST (UK)
There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.

I have:-  Grace Marguerita Snape  Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
                                                 Married George Robert Redfearn
                                                 Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England

I will let you know the outcome

Perhaps we have 2 different Graces here??  Found an obituary for Bertrand Heathcote Snape in the Globe and Mail, May 11 1943, page 22. He died May 9 1943 at his residence 139 Danforth Ave.  Husband of Margaret Heniter and father of Mrs E L Zoegler (Grace) and of Roy W Snape. 

Hope this helps figure out where people fit!! 

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 20:38 BST (UK)
Obit for Roy Snape in the Toronto Star on Feb 22 1971, page 30. 

William Roy Dudley Snape, father of B Snape, brother of Grace Zoegler.  Funeral was held in Balmertown on Feb 22 1971.  Doesn't say when he died, but given the name Dudley, he must be related to your Snape family somehow.

Coincidentally, the same page has the birth of L Sweetman's daughter N.

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 15 June 16 20:43 BST (UK)
If I am reading this all correctly (not entirely sure though :) :)), Dudley Sr has a father named Bertram (from his obit) AND a brother named Bertram/Bertrand (posted by Sandra earlier).. perhaps there is a Grace, daughter of each Bertrand?  So, a sister for Dudley Sr and a niece of Dudley Sr??

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:03 BST (UK)
The father of Dudley Gerald Snape 1888 who married Agnes Gillies - was William Heathcote Barrington Snape and mother Adela Gant.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:07 BST (UK)
Obit for Roy Snape in the Toronto Star on Feb 22 1971, page 30. 

William Roy Dudley Snape, father of B Snape, brother of Grace Zoegler.  Funeral was held in Balmertown on Feb 22 1971.  Doesn't say when he died, but given the name Dudley, he must be related to your Snape family somehow.

Coincidentally, the same page has the birth of L Sweetman's daughter N.

RK


Here is the FIND A GRAVE ENTRY for William above born 9 November 1910 - he is not a brother of Dudley Gerald Snape.  :'(

Burial Woodland Cemetery  Balmertown Kenora District Ontario, Canada
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:12 BST (UK)
IOs this a possibility - William born 1910 England could belong to this family - father John Snape Mother Drucilla   ??? (probably Priscilla Coggin) - doesnt seem to fit - Wonder when Grace Snape/Zoegler was born  ???

1921 Hornepayne Algoma West Ontario.

John Snape   35 Drucilla Snape   35
William Snape   11 Annie Snape   9 Jane Snape   1

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:15 BST (UK)
I am rather confused at the moment.

I have been re checking some of the path - here is what I have:-

George Robert Redfearn born 1878 Tower Hamlets, London, England - died 1932 Outremont, Canada
Grace Marguerita Snape born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England - died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England

They had two children

George Barrington Redfearn born 1918 Ontario, Canada - died 2008 Canada
Georgina Catherine Redfearn born 1920 Romford, Essex, England

The "Barrington" middle name fits.
Did this Grace emigrate, but came back home?
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:21 BST (UK)
There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.

I have:-  Grace Marguerita Snape  Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
                                                 Married George Robert Redfearn
                                                 Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England

I will let you know the outcome

Perhaps we have 2 different Graces here??  Found an obituary for Bertrand Heathcote Snape in the Globe and Mail, May 11 1943, page 22. He died May 9 1943 at his residence 139 Danforth Ave.  Husband of Margaret Heniter and father of Mrs E L Zoegler (Grace) and of Roy W Snape. 

Hope this helps figure out where people fit!! 

RK

Sorry I missed this one RK - this is Bertram Heathcote Snape the brother of Dudley Gerald - so Grace Zoegler was his daughter not his sister.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:23 BST (UK)
I am rather confused at the moment.

I have been re checking some of the path - here is what I have:-

George Robert Redfearn born 1878 Tower Hamlets, London, England - died 1932 Outremont, Canada
Grace Marguerita Snape born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England - died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England

They had two children

George Barrington Redfearn born 1918 Ontario, Canada - died 2008 Canada
Georgina Catherine Redfearn born 1920 Romford, Essex, England

The "Barrington" middle name fits.
Did this Grace emigrate, but came back home?

This would be the obit for George Barrington Snape

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2008/09/22/death-notices-10
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 21:57 BST (UK)
UK return passenger list shows Grace Margaret Redfearn aged 39 years, travelling with George B aged 14 years and Georgina C aged 12 years  -n St Johns New Brunswick to Liverpool on the Montclare arriving 6 February 1933 - going to 11 Curtis Road Fernham Newcastle Upon Tyne. Intended future residence England.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 15 June 16 22:00 BST (UK)
Georgina C Redfearn could have married Croydon - September 1943 - John Atkinson - 2a 1602  ???

Georgina apears with Grace M Redfearn at Northborough Road Croydon on the Electoral register for 1964

Georgina C Atkinson marries Arthur W Carter - Q3 - July/August/Sept 1967 - 5a 2619

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 16 June 16 01:41 BST (UK)
Hi again,

So, 2 Grace M Snapes... one (sister to Dudley G Snape) was born in 1893,married Mr Redfearn and ended up in the UK.  She died there in 1986. 

The other Grace M Snape is the daughter of Dudley G's brother Bertram H Snape.  She married Mr Zoeger.  Looks like Bertram H Snape lived in Toronto.  His wife was Margaret and he had 2 children.... Grace M and Roy W (William Roy Dudley Snape).  I have posted information from the obits for this Grace, her husband, Roy, and Bertram H Snape.   I have also found the obit for Margaret, wife of Bertram H Snape.  She died in Toronto on July 30 1943 (just a few months after her husband).  Her name was Margaret Jane.  Her maiden name isn't given here, but it was in her husband's obit.  She is the mother of Mr E L Zoeger (Grace) and Roy Snape, RCAF Vancouver.  Interment Mount Pleasant Cemetery. 

Looks like the tree on Anc... that says that Grace Z... who died around 1975 is the sister of Dudley is incorrect.  Wonder if it is the same tree that is a bit off when it comes to years of death for members of this family??   :P

RK
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Thursday 16 June 16 06:05 BST (UK)
Super information. It goes to show that even with a not common name it is possible to be misled down the wrong path.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 16 June 16 08:48 BST (UK)
Looks like the tree on Anc... that says that Grace Z... who died around 1975 is the sister of Dudley is incorrect.  Wonder if it is the same tree that is a bit off when it comes to years of death for members of this family??   :P

Yes, same one RK - looks like owner is a Snape but no idea which line she might be from.

Sandra
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Thursday 16 June 16 10:15 BST (UK)
Thank you "RunKitty" and "Sandra". I have been trying for a good few months to put together my family tree. My Mother had eleven siblings (so I believe) and I had just about had all their details apart from Agnes Catherine Gillies. I knew she married Dudley Gerald Snape and I had a lot of details of the Snape family, but I could not get past Agnes and Dudley's emigration to Canada.

It would appear you have solved it for me, thank you so much.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: polarbear on Saturday 18 June 16 13:58 BST (UK)
Using unfo from the obits, you may find potential contacts throught this link to the telephone directory. Contact info is usually provided. Put in just the last name and city to start.

http://www.canada411.ca

PB
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: manawakian on Wednesday 12 October 16 15:52 BST (UK)
1939 Register has Grace M Redfearn b 15 May 1893, restaraunt waitress, widowed living at 97 Northborough Road, Croydon C.B., Surrey.  Only adult registered at this address.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: whix on Friday 01 December 17 01:50 GMT (UK)
What a complete and total surprise to find someone looking for my Grandfather!
Out of curiosity I typed his name into google never ever expecting to find anything at all.
Having a unique name, in this case, is a plus.

I am one (of five) of Dudley Barrington Snape and Kathleen (Kay) May Brown children.

My dad died September 11, 1978, Mom moved from 34 Child Drive, Aurora, Ontario into a retirement home two years ago, she is in good health and just turned 90 in November 2017.

I inherited a box of old photos and papers of my Grandfather's when my Uncle Jack Sweetman died and there is nobody alive to tell me anything about them.
I have my Grandfather's Hudson's Bay contracts from the 1920's and his merchant marine log book of his voyages to the Orient. I have WW1 photos of his convalesce in military hospital from a shrapnel wound above his heart and a multitude of photos from his time in Moosenee with the Hudson's Bay Company. There is a letter and family photo from his sister in England about the distribution of his mothers assets when she died. There are a few photos and postcards of his time in Sierra Leone where I've been told he was the manager of a pineapple plantation. I have newspaper stories he wrote for Toronto newspapers and a newspaper article about renting lawn chairs at Cherry Beach in Toronto.
I have a business card saying he was a green grocer supposedly before he joined the merchant marines.

I have never met another soul (expect brothers and sisters) with my last name and know almost nothing of our background.
I can tell you about my immediate family but know little of anything else.

Are we related? I am eager to know more.

John Snape
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Friday 01 December 17 07:24 GMT (UK)
Dudley Gerald Snape (1886-1950) married Agnes Catherine Gillies (1896-1964) 12th July 1922

Agnes Catherine Gillies is an Aunt of mine on my Mothers side of my family. She was born in Cogan, Penarth, Glamorganshire, Wales. She died in Chichester, Sussex, England whilst on a holiday visiting members of her family. Agnes married Dudley in York, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

In my records I have two children from that marriage;- Catherine Adela Snape (1922-1989) and Dudley Barrington Snape (1928-1978). Catherine married John Sweetman (1918-2006), Dudley Married Kay Brown.

In my records I have one child from John and Catherine's marriage and five children from Dudley's and Kay's marriage.

My records are quite sparse for dates and marriage's for these children, I would appreciate any information so that I can update.

My Mother's family is very extensive and was mostly of Scottish and French blood. I have traced records in her family back to Scottish King's and Norman and Danish invaders a long time past.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: whix on Monday 11 December 17 05:07 GMT (UK)
Is there a way to give my information privately?
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: polarbear on Monday 11 December 17 13:41 GMT (UK)
Hi whix and welcome to RootsChat  :).

There is a private message (PM) system here that you can use to communicate privately. One normally needs to have made 3 posts in order to use it so one more to say 'Hi' would be fine. Then you can click on the person's name and under that will see send private message. Click on that.

More info here...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,327529.0.html

PB
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Monday 11 December 17 13:47 GMT (UK)
By e mail or facebook, but it will probably be blocked if you try to communicate that information.
Title: Re: American/Canadian Cousins
Post by: polarbear on Monday 11 December 17 13:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Rainbow Rebel

Our posts have crossed. You and whix will be able to privately exchange email info after they have made one more post.

PB