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I am trying to trace descendants of;-
Dudley Gerald Snape born 1886 circa Islington, London.
Agnes Catherine Gillies born 1896 circa Cogan, Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales.
They emigrated to Canada (where they were married ?) and then onto the United States.
I believe they had several Children.
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There is a family tree that says Dudley died 1950 in Toronto and Agnes died 1964 in England while visiting her sister. It also says that their children were Catherine Adela Snape (1922-1980) and Dudley Barrington Snape (3 Nov. 1928-Sept. 1977), who both died in Toronto.
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Thank you.
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The Lethbridge Herald (Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada) 29 December 1950 - If Run Kitty comes along she might be able to find an obituary for Dudley which gives us more information on family.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1968 shows Dudley B Snape - (salesman) and Mrs Kathleen Snape at 34 Child Drive York Ontario.
Canada Voters List 1974 shows Dudley Snape (plant manager) Mrs K Snape (cust clerk) and a possible 2 sons "J" was a student and "G" a printer - 34 Child Dr. York
Sandra
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They emigrated to Canada (where they were married ?) and then onto the United States.
Dudley Gerald Snape aged 36 years, bacheleor married Agnes Catherine Gillies aged 26 yerars. spinster on 12 July 1922 York Ontario.
Witnesses Hilda E Smith of Toronto and Alex Gillies of Windsor Ontario.
Copy of marriage - Ontario Marriages
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994V-ZC6Z?i=1094&wc=3NW6-7M3%3A1584308903%2C1584369601%2C1584369901%3Fcc%3D1784216&cc=1784216
Sandra
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Canadian Passenger List - Liverpool to Montreal on the Montclare - 6 June 1926 - Agnes Snape aged 29 years born Penarth - Catherine aged 2 1/2 years born Cochrane Canada. Father was John Gillies Plassey Sq - No7 Penarth - Agnes had been in Canada from 1921 - 1926 - Returning to her husband D Snape - Pagwa River Ontario -
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra, great
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Believe this post would benefit the poster more if it was moved to the Canada Board. Sure more info could be found to help. ;)
Sandra
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I am trying to trace descendants of;-
Dudley Gerald Snape born 1886 circa Islington, London.
Agnes Catherine Gillies born 1896 circa Cogan, Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales.
They emigrated to Canada (where they were married ?) and then onto the United States.
I believe they had several Children.
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Thanks Sandra, posed onto Canada board.
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They married on 26 Jun 1922 in Toronto.
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It would be better if the original post was moved over to avoid further duplication - I have asked Sarah if she could do this for you.
Sandra
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Have asked Sarah if she will move this post to Canada so that we keep everything altogether and it saves duplication.
topics merged
Sandra
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Hello Rainbow Rebel,
I have merged your two topics together under Canada for you ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Hello,
Obit for Dudley Gerald Snape is in the Globe and Mail newspaper, on Dec 28, 1950, page 23. It says he died at his home, 286 Warden Ave, Birch Cliff, on Tuesday.. from a heart attack. He was 64. He had been with the Hudsons Bay company for "some years".
He had been a resident of Toronto since 1932 and had worked for the Ontario Liquor Control Board for a while. He was born in England, father was Bertram Snape, who had been involved with the management of the Hudsons Bay Company. As a young many, Dudley had gone to South Africa and was a manager of a plantation. He came back to England at the beginning of WW1 and served in France with the Imperial Army. After the war, he came to Canada and was the manager of several Hudsons Bay posts in Manitoba, Northern Quebec, and Northern Ontario. He travelled extensively in Europe and the Orient.
He was a member of the Legion of Frontiersmen, Beaches Post, Canadian Legion, Beaches Liberal Association and St. Nicholas Anglican Church, Birch Cliff.
Leaves his wife, Agnes C Gilles, daughter Mrs John Sweetman, son Dudley Barrington Snape, all of Toronto. 3 sisters and 2 brothers.
RK
Shorter obit in the Toronto Star on Dec 28, 1950, page 20. Has essentially the same information.
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There is a family tree that says Dudley died 1950 in Toronto and Agnes died 1964 in England while visiting her sister. It also says that their children were Catherine Adela Snape (1922-1980) and Dudley Barrington Snape (3 Nov. 1928-Sept. 1977), who both died in Toronto.
Dudley B died in 1978... obit in the Globe and Mail, Sept 12 1978, page 45. He died on Sept 11 1978 at the Toronto Wellesley Hospital. He had lived in Aurora (which is just north of Toronto). Husband of Kay Brown. Father of G, D (Mrs T Shaw), J, K and S. (Will PM the names to you, in case they are still living). Brother of Adela (Mrs J Sweetman).
RK
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Catherine Adela Snape Sweetman died on Feb 16 1989 in Scarborough (the eastern part of Toronto). Wife of Jack Sweetman. Mother of J L Sweetman (male), grandmother of N Sweetman (female). Sister of the late Dudley.
Obit in the Globe and Mail newspaper, 17 Feb 1989, page A16.
RK
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Great stuff RK - So anc tree was a little out with the death dates for Catherine and Dudley Barrington Snape.
Sandra
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Yes, dates are a bit off :)... having trouble finding Agnes's obit. Perhaps not in 1964??
RK :)
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John Sweetman died Dec 23 2006 in his 88th year. Husband of the late Del (Catherine Adela Snape). Father of J L Sweetman, grandfather of N Anderson (her husband is C). Great grandfather of E.
Toronto Star 27 Dec 2006, page B3
RK
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Canada Voters List 1957 shows John G Sweetman (salesman) and Mrs Adela C Sweetman - 6 Pell Street
1963 Voters List - Adela is described as a cost accountant. John Sweetman (sales) - Apt 606 Kennedy Road Scarborough York Ontario.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra... so looking for obit after 1963 for Agnes.
OOPS - misread that... said Adela!!!
RK
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Agnes nee Gillies Snape death registered UK - September 1963 - Agnes C Snape - aged 67 years - Chichester - 5 H 502
Sandra
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Thank you for the information. A great help.(brilliant)
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The privacy laws are quite strict in Canada so Run Kitty has done you proud, trawling newspapers and searching for those obits.
Dudley Gerald Snape seems to have a sister Grace Marguerite Snape born 1894 who immigrates to Canada - Liverpool to Quebec on the Grampain - 1 July 1916. Going to brother manager Hudson Bay Co.
Have you any further info on Grace ? THere is an anc tree which says - passed away 1975 - married - ? Zagar - Toronto ???
Sandra
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You are welcome Rainbow Rebel :) :)
Thanks Sandra... finally found Agnes (didn't work with her name, so had to be creative).. having a narrow date range really helped. Would never have found the obit without your help :)
Agnes died suddenly on July 11 1963, while visiting in Chichester England. Agnes (Kit) Snape, wife of the late Dudley G Snape, mother of Adela (Mrs John Sweetman) and Dudley. Grandmother of L (the J L from other obits), G, D, J, K and S. Sister of Anne (Mrs S Wellington of Chichester), Phyllis (Mrs R Williams), Charles Gillies of Penarth, Wales, Andrew Gillies of Detroit Michigan. Cremation service at Chichester, Sussex, England.
Globe and Mail, 16 July 1963, page 35
RK :) :)
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This looks like the brother of Agnes Gillies - Andrew Gillies - 26 July 1902 - passed away October 1969 - Last Residence 48170 Plymouth, Wayne, Michigan. Gives a link to American cousins perhaps ???
Sandra
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Detroit Border Crossing - Andrew Hay Gillies - born 26 July 1902 Penarth Wales - accompanied by Emily and son John Charles Gillies. Think the date for this is 1952 not 1982. Andrew was a shipper.
Last permanent address was 11326 O Brien Blvd Montreal. Going to cousin John Nolan, 1533 Burlingame Detroit 6 Michigan. Purpose in going to the USA was to be a permanent resident.
Sandra
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The privacy laws are quite strict in Canada so Run Kitty has done you proud, trawling newspapers and searching for those obits.
Dudley Gerald Snape seems to have a sister Grace Marguerite Snape born 1894 who immigrates to Canada - Liverpool to Quebec on the Grampain - 1 July 1916. Going to brother manager Hudson Bay Co.
Have you any further info on Grace ? THere is an anc tree which says - passed away 1975 - married - ? Zagar - Toronto ???
Sandra
Hi,
Death of Grace M Zoeger... at Scarborough General Hospital on Friday May 28, 1976. Wife of the late Edward Zoeger. Remembered by Zoeger, Snape and Sweetman families.
Globe and Mail, May 29, 1976, page 52.
RK
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On a Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30 a for Andrew Hay Gillies arriving 13 February 1923 - Saint Johns New Brunswick - destined to brother Alexander Gillies 430 Vere Place Windsor Ontario. Nearest relative in country from whence came was Jessie Gillies, 7 Plassey Square, Penarth. South Wales.
Sandra
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Edward Louis Zoeger died at St. Michaels Hospital (Toronto) on Feb 20 1965. Address 66 Scarborough Heights Blvd. Husband of Grace M Snape. Obit lists his siblings. Interment Pine Hills Cemetery.
RK
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The privacy laws are quite strict in Canada so Run Kitty has done you proud, trawling newspapers and searching for those obits.
Dudley Gerald Snape seems to have a sister Grace Marguerite Snape born 1894 who immigrates to Canada - Liverpool to Quebec on the Grampain - 1 July 1916. Going to brother manager Hudson Bay Co.
Have you any further info on Grace ? THere is an anc tree which says - passed away 1975 - married - ? Zagar - Toronto ???
Sandra
Hi,
Death of Grace M Zoeger... at Scarborough General Hospital on Friday May 28, 1976. Wife of the late Edward Zoeger. Remembered by Zoeger, Snape and Sweetman families.
Globe and Mail, May 29, 1976, page 52.
RK
Excellent as usual RK - really pleased I stalk you ;) ;) Ancestry helped a little - Zager - Zoeger ::)
Sandra
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There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.
I have:- Grace Marguerita Snape Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
Married George Robert Redfearn
Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England
I will let you know the outcome
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Attestation Papers for Alexander Gillies (brother of Agnes Gillies/Snape and Andrew Hay Gillies)
Alexander born 1 July 1886
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=421410
Remember to click on pdf format B3546-S009 to get the full military file
Sandra
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There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.
I have:- Grace Marguerita Snape Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
Married George Robert Redfearn
Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England
I will let you know the outcome
Please do - the Grace obit that RK found does say she was related to the Snape/Sweetman families
???
Sandra
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Canada War Graves shows another brother of Agnes Gillies - John Nimmo Gillies - 28 th Battalion. Previously reported missing believed killed now for official purposes presumed to have died. Attack near Zillebeke.
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/1592464
http://www.canadaatwar.ca/memorial/world-war-i/58690/private-john-nimmo-gillies/
http://www.everymanremembered.org/cemeteries/cemetery/91800/?page=917
http://libgeohistprd01.uwaterloo.ca/items/show/103127
http://www.friendsofstaugustines.org/roll-of-honour/mini-histories/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=312424.msg5728898#msg5728898
FIND A GRAVE
Private John Nimmo Gillies
Burial Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial Ypres (Ieper) Arrondissement Ieper
West Flanders (West-Vlaanderen), Belgium
Plot: www.cwgc.org
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=GI&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GScntry=19&GSsr=1481&GRid=12047252&
Sandra
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Emily D. Gillies (wife of Andrew Gillies) 25 July 1904 Dublin passed away 4 April 1988 - Last Residence 32074 Ormond Beach, Volusia, Florida. SSN issued Michigan (1952-1953)
Sandra
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Attestation Papers for John Nimmo Gillies -
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=416090
Don't forget PDF format B3549A-S058 for the full military file
Sandra
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I have all the details of John Nimmo Gillies. I have in my possession his War Medal, and documentation, they were sent after his death to his parents John & Jessie (nee Nimmo) Gillies in Penarth, Wales.
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Only looked at Gillies angle because you mentioned American relatives and Andrew did cross the border into the USA - Perhaps we shouldn't persue the Gillies family for further info - not knowing what you might already have -
Sandra
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Back to Snape - although we don't know what you have on siblings of Dudley ???
Brother Cecil Russell Snape born 4 March 1888 passed away in San Diego California 27 February 1953
Mother maiden surname Gant.
Border Crossing from Mexico gives address 4258 Jewel Street San Diego California
Had been in the USA 29/5/1949 arriving New York - to date which was 13/11/1949
There are a couple of New York Passenger LIst showing Cecil arriving - 31 March 1919 and 22 November 1921
Sandra
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Wife of Cecil - Helena Florence born 25 August 1894 other country passed away 10 November 1974 - San Diego. California.
Last Residence 92103 San Diego, San Diego, California.
Naturalized 4 November 1954
Helena appears in city directories as the widow of Cecil
Sandra
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Brother Bertram/Bertrand Snape returned to Canada 17 November 1919 on the Tunisian - had been in Toronto 1912 - 1919
Sandra
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There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.
I have:- Grace Marguerita Snape Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
Married George Robert Redfearn
Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England
I will let you know the outcome
Perhaps we have 2 different Graces here?? Found an obituary for Bertrand Heathcote Snape in the Globe and Mail, May 11 1943, page 22. He died May 9 1943 at his residence 139 Danforth Ave. Husband of Margaret Heniter and father of Mrs E L Zoegler (Grace) and of Roy W Snape.
Hope this helps figure out where people fit!!
RK
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Obit for Roy Snape in the Toronto Star on Feb 22 1971, page 30.
William Roy Dudley Snape, father of B Snape, brother of Grace Zoegler. Funeral was held in Balmertown on Feb 22 1971. Doesn't say when he died, but given the name Dudley, he must be related to your Snape family somehow.
Coincidentally, the same page has the birth of L Sweetman's daughter N.
RK
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If I am reading this all correctly (not entirely sure though :) :)), Dudley Sr has a father named Bertram (from his obit) AND a brother named Bertram/Bertrand (posted by Sandra earlier).. perhaps there is a Grace, daughter of each Bertrand? So, a sister for Dudley Sr and a niece of Dudley Sr??
RK
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The father of Dudley Gerald Snape 1888 who married Agnes Gillies - was William Heathcote Barrington Snape and mother Adela Gant.
Sandra
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Obit for Roy Snape in the Toronto Star on Feb 22 1971, page 30.
William Roy Dudley Snape, father of B Snape, brother of Grace Zoegler. Funeral was held in Balmertown on Feb 22 1971. Doesn't say when he died, but given the name Dudley, he must be related to your Snape family somehow.
Coincidentally, the same page has the birth of L Sweetman's daughter N.
RK
Here is the FIND A GRAVE ENTRY for William above born 9 November 1910 - he is not a brother of Dudley Gerald Snape. :'(
Burial Woodland Cemetery Balmertown Kenora District Ontario, Canada
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IOs this a possibility - William born 1910 England could belong to this family - father John Snape Mother Drucilla ??? (probably Priscilla Coggin) - doesnt seem to fit - Wonder when Grace Snape/Zoegler was born ???
1921 Hornepayne Algoma West Ontario.
John Snape 35 Drucilla Snape 35
William Snape 11 Annie Snape 9 Jane Snape 1
Sandra
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I am rather confused at the moment.
I have been re checking some of the path - here is what I have:-
George Robert Redfearn born 1878 Tower Hamlets, London, England - died 1932 Outremont, Canada
Grace Marguerita Snape born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England - died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England
They had two children
George Barrington Redfearn born 1918 Ontario, Canada - died 2008 Canada
Georgina Catherine Redfearn born 1920 Romford, Essex, England
The "Barrington" middle name fits.
Did this Grace emigrate, but came back home?
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There seems to be a problem, I will have to re examine my information.
I have:- Grace Marguerita Snape Born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England
Married George Robert Redfearn
Died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England
I will let you know the outcome
Perhaps we have 2 different Graces here?? Found an obituary for Bertrand Heathcote Snape in the Globe and Mail, May 11 1943, page 22. He died May 9 1943 at his residence 139 Danforth Ave. Husband of Margaret Heniter and father of Mrs E L Zoegler (Grace) and of Roy W Snape.
Hope this helps figure out where people fit!!
RK
Sorry I missed this one RK - this is Bertram Heathcote Snape the brother of Dudley Gerald - so Grace Zoegler was his daughter not his sister.
Sandra
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I am rather confused at the moment.
I have been re checking some of the path - here is what I have:-
George Robert Redfearn born 1878 Tower Hamlets, London, England - died 1932 Outremont, Canada
Grace Marguerita Snape born 1893 West Ham, Essex, England - died 1986 Sutton, Surrey, England
They had two children
George Barrington Redfearn born 1918 Ontario, Canada - died 2008 Canada
Georgina Catherine Redfearn born 1920 Romford, Essex, England
The "Barrington" middle name fits.
Did this Grace emigrate, but came back home?
This would be the obit for George Barrington Snape
http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2008/09/22/death-notices-10
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UK return passenger list shows Grace Margaret Redfearn aged 39 years, travelling with George B aged 14 years and Georgina C aged 12 years -n St Johns New Brunswick to Liverpool on the Montclare arriving 6 February 1933 - going to 11 Curtis Road Fernham Newcastle Upon Tyne. Intended future residence England.
Sandra
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Georgina C Redfearn could have married Croydon - September 1943 - John Atkinson - 2a 1602 ???
Georgina apears with Grace M Redfearn at Northborough Road Croydon on the Electoral register for 1964
Georgina C Atkinson marries Arthur W Carter - Q3 - July/August/Sept 1967 - 5a 2619
Sandra
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Hi again,
So, 2 Grace M Snapes... one (sister to Dudley G Snape) was born in 1893,married Mr Redfearn and ended up in the UK. She died there in 1986.
The other Grace M Snape is the daughter of Dudley G's brother Bertram H Snape. She married Mr Zoeger. Looks like Bertram H Snape lived in Toronto. His wife was Margaret and he had 2 children.... Grace M and Roy W (William Roy Dudley Snape). I have posted information from the obits for this Grace, her husband, Roy, and Bertram H Snape. I have also found the obit for Margaret, wife of Bertram H Snape. She died in Toronto on July 30 1943 (just a few months after her husband). Her name was Margaret Jane. Her maiden name isn't given here, but it was in her husband's obit. She is the mother of Mr E L Zoeger (Grace) and Roy Snape, RCAF Vancouver. Interment Mount Pleasant Cemetery.
Looks like the tree on Anc... that says that Grace Z... who died around 1975 is the sister of Dudley is incorrect. Wonder if it is the same tree that is a bit off when it comes to years of death for members of this family?? :P
RK
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Super information. It goes to show that even with a not common name it is possible to be misled down the wrong path.
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Looks like the tree on Anc... that says that Grace Z... who died around 1975 is the sister of Dudley is incorrect. Wonder if it is the same tree that is a bit off when it comes to years of death for members of this family?? :P
Yes, same one RK - looks like owner is a Snape but no idea which line she might be from.
Sandra
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Thank you "RunKitty" and "Sandra". I have been trying for a good few months to put together my family tree. My Mother had eleven siblings (so I believe) and I had just about had all their details apart from Agnes Catherine Gillies. I knew she married Dudley Gerald Snape and I had a lot of details of the Snape family, but I could not get past Agnes and Dudley's emigration to Canada.
It would appear you have solved it for me, thank you so much.
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Using unfo from the obits, you may find potential contacts throught this link to the telephone directory. Contact info is usually provided. Put in just the last name and city to start.
http://www.canada411.ca
PB
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1939 Register has Grace M Redfearn b 15 May 1893, restaraunt waitress, widowed living at 97 Northborough Road, Croydon C.B., Surrey. Only adult registered at this address.
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What a complete and total surprise to find someone looking for my Grandfather!
Out of curiosity I typed his name into google never ever expecting to find anything at all.
Having a unique name, in this case, is a plus.
I am one (of five) of Dudley Barrington Snape and Kathleen (Kay) May Brown children.
My dad died September 11, 1978, Mom moved from 34 Child Drive, Aurora, Ontario into a retirement home two years ago, she is in good health and just turned 90 in November 2017.
I inherited a box of old photos and papers of my Grandfather's when my Uncle Jack Sweetman died and there is nobody alive to tell me anything about them.
I have my Grandfather's Hudson's Bay contracts from the 1920's and his merchant marine log book of his voyages to the Orient. I have WW1 photos of his convalesce in military hospital from a shrapnel wound above his heart and a multitude of photos from his time in Moosenee with the Hudson's Bay Company. There is a letter and family photo from his sister in England about the distribution of his mothers assets when she died. There are a few photos and postcards of his time in Sierra Leone where I've been told he was the manager of a pineapple plantation. I have newspaper stories he wrote for Toronto newspapers and a newspaper article about renting lawn chairs at Cherry Beach in Toronto.
I have a business card saying he was a green grocer supposedly before he joined the merchant marines.
I have never met another soul (expect brothers and sisters) with my last name and know almost nothing of our background.
I can tell you about my immediate family but know little of anything else.
Are we related? I am eager to know more.
John Snape
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Dudley Gerald Snape (1886-1950) married Agnes Catherine Gillies (1896-1964) 12th July 1922
Agnes Catherine Gillies is an Aunt of mine on my Mothers side of my family. She was born in Cogan, Penarth, Glamorganshire, Wales. She died in Chichester, Sussex, England whilst on a holiday visiting members of her family. Agnes married Dudley in York, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
In my records I have two children from that marriage;- Catherine Adela Snape (1922-1989) and Dudley Barrington Snape (1928-1978). Catherine married John Sweetman (1918-2006), Dudley Married Kay Brown.
In my records I have one child from John and Catherine's marriage and five children from Dudley's and Kay's marriage.
My records are quite sparse for dates and marriage's for these children, I would appreciate any information so that I can update.
My Mother's family is very extensive and was mostly of Scottish and French blood. I have traced records in her family back to Scottish King's and Norman and Danish invaders a long time past.
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Is there a way to give my information privately?
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Hi whix and welcome to RootsChat :).
There is a private message (PM) system here that you can use to communicate privately. One normally needs to have made 2 posts in order to use it so one more to say 'Hi' would be fine. Then you can click on the person's name and under that will see send private message. Click on that.
More info here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,327529.0.html
PB
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Hi Rainbow Rebel
Our posts have crossed. You and whix will be able to privately exchange email info after they have made one more post.
PB
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Hello
Anyone know of a Charles Snape who worked for HBC who married an Annie Sinclair Moore? I have a photo of them and they sent a post card to Moosonee in 1912 stating they were safely on there way to England,
Maria Moore
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This is my family. Dudley and Kathleen (Kay) had 5 children. I am the 2nd eldest
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Grace was my father's (Dudley Barrington Snape) cousin. She married Zagar (something close to that). Her brother was Roy. I met her several times in my youth. I met Roy once. Catherine Adela was my father's sister.
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I have the children of Dudley Snape and Kathleen Brown as :- G, D, J, K and S.
The name you quoted is Edward Louis Zoeger.
I would love to have more details names dates etc.