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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: nessie12 on Thursday 28 July 16 22:05 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any information about William Percy Finch who married Doris Kathleen Owen in Eastbourne in 1930, I believe they moved to Brighton (William may have been a greengrocer) and had two children but I can't seem to find any more information about them :(
Doris was my Great Aunt
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If you look on the FreeBMD index and put in those surnames 2 possible children come up one in Eastbourne and one in Brighton.
Can't post their names as they may still be living.
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William Percy Finch
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1909
Mar 1975 Age at Death: 65
Brighton East Sussex
Volume: 18 Page: 0269
You should be able to find him in the 1911 census, but we are not allowed to give information from that. They should also be in the 1939 register.
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Sent you a PM - looks as if she died as Doris Kathleen Ansell in 1995.
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Marriage, June qtr 1976
Brighton Registration District vol 18, page 229
Ansell, Doris K
Finch, Doris K
to
Alley, ******
Because Mr Alley could still be alive, I'll leave you the task of a lookup on FreeBMD to find his name ;D
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I don't understand that KG, are you saying that is another marriage? She died as Ansell, there is a probate record for her under that name. She seems to have "adopted" the Ansell name by 1951, quite a few years before she married him.
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1976 has quite a confusing set of marriage partners.
There is also a male Ansell marriage there - to spouse Ansell
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She died as Ansell, there is a probate record for her under that name.
Does it say she is a widow or mention any family?
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1976 has quite a confusing set of marriage partners.
There is also a male Ansell marriage there - to spouse Ansell
I'm pretty sure that is her, judging by information from the 1939! The probate doesn't give any more information so Nessie might need to send for the will.
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What a complicated family this is turning out to be!
June 1976 has a variety of marriages including John Ansell to Doris Finch or Ansell. It also has Doris Finch to Albert Alley.
However I'm pretty sure they are the same couple and that John Ansell was also Albert Alley as we have the following deaths
Albert J V Alley
Born 15 June 1908
died June 1982
Worthing
John Ansell
Born 15 June 1908
Died June 1982
Worthing
There is no birth of an Albert Alley in 1908 but ther is a John Ansell born then.
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Blimey ! yes I think this might be quite complicated lol. Thank you both for the information.
I only knew of my grandad's sister because she was mentioned in a family obituary in the newspaper 😊 And I finally got her marriage certificate from her 1st marriage.
I wonder why they had different names ? This could be an interesting search .....
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I have to agree he is the same person.
Maybe something simple like his mother remarried and Alley was a step surname.
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Very complicated!
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Even stranger, you will have to look for yourself as it's in the 1911, but there is an Alley child with exactly the same names but born two years before the one who died in 1982. Too much of a coincidence?
I can understand if there was a remarriage changing a surname, but unusual not to use at least one of his first names. Why the different birth as well? A family secret to be uncovered I think! ;D ;D
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Confusing myself even more now but there is this birth and death under Allez
Name:
Albert James V Allez
Registration Year:
1905
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:
Southampton
And a marriage inbetween
Name:
Albert J V Allez
Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1933
Registration district:
Kingston
Inferred County:
Surrey
Name:
Albert James V Allez
Birth Date:
17 Jun 1905
Date of Registration:
Jun 1982
Age at Death:
77
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I wonder if that is the one from 1911, with Allez being transcribed as Alley very easy to do as a z and y were written in much the same way? If so, he probaby has nothing to do with this family apart from the coincidences with initials.
If so, we are still no nearer finding out why either John Ansell changed his name from Albert Alley or vice versa!
Just noticed:
Albert JAMES V Allez died June quarter 1982 Portsmouth
Albert JOHN V Alley died June quarter 1982 Worthing
John Ansell died June quarter 1982 Worthing
So I think we can ignore the Allez, it is just a big coincidence. It also explains why John called himself John!
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This is a possible. I think that Alfred John Alley's father was Alfred Alley born 1873. There is no death of an Alfred Alley but there is this death:
ALFRED ANSELL
Birth year 1873
Age 67
Death year 1940 4th quarter
WORTHING
Volume 2B
Page 940
So perhaps the whole Alley family changed their name to Ansell?
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I found this by chance and I know the thread is quite old.
I reached the same conclusion that Albert John Victor Allez b 15/6/1908 in St Helier, Jersey is one and the same person as John Ansell (same birth date) who died in Worthing in 1982. I am a descendent of AJV Allez on the Jersey side of the family and what became of AJV has always been a but of a mystery. My late father tried to research this and came up with Army records in the name of Ansell but then a full stop.
The Allez family did not change their name en masse to Ansell, that much I do know but I am trying to piece some other information together. Unfortunately all of the people who would have known AJV when he was in Jersey are now dead.
I believe that what happened is that AJV left the island just before the occupation and elected to serve in the army under a more "English" name. After WW2 he didn't revert to AJV Allez and made a new life for himself. I am sure there is more to it than that and I wouldn't mind knowing!
As you rightly say there was another Albert James Allez (1906 - 1982?) and this can confuse thing. As far as I can see he was AJV's cousin.
I do have some more information but it's not for publication on a public internet forum.
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Welcome to Rootschat. Good to know that we were on the right track.
If you post on here a couple more times - just say hallo or similar, then Nessie can private message you as it looks as if you could be related.
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OK will do. If we are related then I have a fair amount of Jersey-related material that I can share.
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This is a possible. I think that Alfred John Alley's father was Alfred Alley born 1873. There is no death of an Alfred Alley but there is this death:
ALFRED ANSELL
Birth year 1873
Age 67
Death year 1940 4th quarter
WORTHING
Volume 2B
Page 940
So perhaps the whole Alley family changed their name to Ansell?
If AJV Allez and J Ansell are one and the same then the parents would be Albert Frederick Allez (1871-1941) and Lilian Mary Allez (nee MacDonald) (1875-1973) from St Helier
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Hi there.
My name is Jonathan-Paul Finch. I have been looking for William Percy Finch and typed in the name on Google, as I am looking into my family history using ancestry and Google, and your conversation came up. Doris Finch was my dad's mother (my nan). William was my dad's dad (my grandfather). If there is anyway you can help me with information, please let me know.
Jonny
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Hello Jonny
I understand Doris was my grandad's sister, she was born Doris Kathleen Owen in Eastbourne, I'm sorry I don't know much, if anything about her, but she did have three brothers. Any information you have would be greatly appreciated. I know they lived in Brighton and that all the info I do have came mainly from this post and the helpful people on here
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Nessie - I have sent you a message
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John Ansell/Alley/Allez does seem to be a bit of a mystery !!
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Martyn, hi.
I have been in touch with my aunt's and no one knows anything about John Ansell. All we know is he was a retired railway inspector and he came from Jersey.
There is nothing else that can be told, as he didn't want any thing to do with his "step children", my aunt's and my dad.
Sorry I can't help anymore than this
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Aha, that’s sounds like John Ansell and John Allez could be the same person. Maybe worth looking at the railway records perhaps.
Did your aunts know anymore about Doris?
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Hi Nessie
sorry it's been a while since replying. I'm now as certain as I can be that Albert John Victor Allez and John Ansell were one and the same person. It looks as if he took the name Ansell in about 1940 just before enlisting in the army. He was still in Jersey at the time.
That's about as far as I can take it from the 'Allez' side I think. I'm hoping someone on the 'Finch' side may have some more information or even photos.
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Hi everyone.
Looking for information about my grandfather, Peter Wallace, he died between 2002-2004 in bognor Regis, I think