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Title: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 07:44 BST (UK)
Trawling through NLI RC Baptisms for Armagh - Arthur McDonald (McDonnell - Irish version?) - about 1831.  Unsuccessful so far, but was amazed to see Baptism of quadruplets in August 1831 - Neal, Catherine, Patrick and Francis Toner -children of Neal Toner and Sally Newell.  Quads surviving in 1831 - even just as far as baptism -  amazes me.!!!  One of the sponsors was a Mary McDonnell - as close as I will get looking for my Arthur.!!!
Serious question - My Arthur marries in Glasgow in 1855 stating place of birth is Lough Gelly Armagh - "Loughgilly" is as close as I can find - does anyone with local knowledge know if I am correct or is Lough Gelly somewhere else in Armagh? 
p.s. - anyone interested in the Toner Quads - have the original Bapt. entry if anyone wants a copy - Am I allowed to post it on here?
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 14 August 16 08:15 BST (UK)
Are you sure they are quadruplets?
And not just a "bulk" baptism of 4 children?

There is no mention of Toner family on this website:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_births#Quadruplets_.284.29
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 08:19 BST (UK)
Hi KGarrad,

No, the parish priest has actually written on the side "Quadruplets"... Can I post the original on here, or are there copyright issues re NLI???
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 14 August 16 08:22 BST (UK)
Hi KGarrad,

No, the parish priest has actually written on the side "Quadruplets"... Can I post the original on here, or are there copyright issues re NLI???

Fair enough! ;D
Just post the portion of the register containing the Toner baptisms, and not the whole page.
(I use the Windows Snipping Tool?!)
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 08:25 BST (UK)
Hi Again
Here is the original entry for the Toner Quads
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 08:56 BST (UK)
Repeating my other question - does anyone know if "Lough Gelly Armagh" is the same as parish of "Loughgilly Armagh"????
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 14 August 16 09:20 BST (UK)
Apparently, you're not the first person to find this?! ;D

http://www.ottawavalleyirish.com/tag/toner
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: RosemaryJoan on Sunday 14 August 16 09:50 BST (UK)
Maggbill,  I would say yes that Lough Gelly would probably be Loughgilly Parish, as written by someone unused to the accent.
RosemaryJoan
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 10:18 BST (UK)
Thank you RosemaryJoan
That is what I was thinking - it is amazing how names of people and places vary when apart from the Irish accent, the individuals most likely couldnt' read, write or spell - and the "listener" was maybe a bit more educated, but not always accepting of the "Irish" invasion - so did a Scottish variation!  Thanks for your input
Maggs
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: RosemaryJoan on Sunday 14 August 16 11:11 BST (UK)
Maggbill,Are you looking for someone in Loughgilly?  Can we help?
RosemaryJoan
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 13:03 BST (UK)
Hi there,
Thanks KGarrad for the link to the OttawaIrish with the blog about the NLI records/quads... very interesting.
RoseMaryJoan - I am looking for my Great grandfather Arthur Mc Donald, - his marriage record 1855 Glasgow says born Loch Gelly to James and Margaret McDonald.  On his death record it names parents as James McDonald and Bridget Toal!  - Sure it is the same man, not the first time I have seen conflicting parentage names on Death entries!
Have trawled through the RC baptism NLI records for Loughgilly from 1829 - right through to 1833.  "McDonnell" names are there, but not numerous.  Thought I had found something with a 15 August 1831 birth of "John of Jas. Mc Donnell and Bidy Toal, spn. John Cowan and Rose Toal"...  only time I have found names of James McD and "Bidy" (for Bridget) Toal.... But - hey I want an Arthur - not a John.. and I was more of the feeling that it was a "Margaret" for the mother..  Sorry to be long winded - hope this makes sense - Have gone through the registers at least twice..nothing else.... ?Dead end?
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 13:06 BST (UK)
Sorry of course I meant "Baptism" of a John... not "Birth".
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: RosemaryJoan on Sunday 14 August 16 13:32 BST (UK)
Maggbill.  Have you searched for James and Bidy's marriage.  Who registered Arthur's death?
RosemaryJoan
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 13:44 BST (UK)
Hi RoseMaryJoan
Arthur died when he was only 46 years of age - his wife Julia was the informant, and she knew that Arthur's father was "James.. a Ploughman" deceased, and stated his wife Bridget Toal also deceased - so she seemed to be knowledgeable enough about them I suppose...  I haven't actually looked for the marriage of James and ?Bridgets.  I only know of one sibling of Arthurs - a brother Patrick 7 years younger.. so chance is that the Marriage records might be fruitful - think they are from 1825 to 1844.... will give it a shot and let you know.... Thanks for the idea!
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 14:12 BST (UK)
Hi again RosemaryJOan
Well, have just gone through the Loughgilly marriages - from 1825 to 1844 - Thank God they were generally very readable - much better than many - and I am getting so good at reading them!
Did find the famous Neal Tonner and S. Newell in 1826 marriage!!  But only managed to find two James McDonnells' - first in 1833 to a Margaret Mc Gee - and another in in 1842 to a Margaret Bennett....
Not too hopeful eh? 
My poor eyes have had enough for tonight.... tomorrow is another day -
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: RosemaryJoan on Sunday 14 August 16 17:59 BST (UK)
Nil desperandum!
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: Pauline Loughran on Sunday 09 April 17 15:12 BST (UK)
Hello
I am a McDonnell from Loughgilly. And Arthur who held land there in 1825 is of my family. Son of James and Bidy (Bridget) Toal/Toole. Arthur baptised9th October 1826. I'm just new an RootsChat. A friend showed me this post
Pauline
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: maggbill on Monday 10 April 17 07:15 BST (UK)
Hi there Pauline,
Nice to hear from you.  Can you tell me what connection you have to Arthur McDonald?  I will have to refresh my memory on my Arthur's details - cos there is one vague conflict on his parentage... but will resurrect exact details and get back to you.  Have you actually found the original baptism ?  Talk again soon.
Maggie
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: victorialearmonth on Thursday 16 May 19 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi All,

If you see any McCormicks in Loughgilly (Lisadian Townland) please let me know! I'm struggling!
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 16 May 19 12:42 BST (UK)
You might be better off starting your own thread for them disclosing what details you know, dates, religion etc....
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 16 May 19 12:45 BST (UK)
No need for a new thread- already one here- (with replies)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806178.msg6649704#msg6649704
Title: Re: Loughgilly Armagh Toner quadruplets 1831
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 16 May 19 12:55 BST (UK)
No need for a new thread- already one here- (with replies)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806178.msg6649704#msg6649704


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