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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: maggbill on Sunday 14 August 16 07:44 BST (UK)
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Trawling through NLI RC Baptisms for Armagh - Arthur McDonald (McDonnell - Irish version?) - about 1831. Unsuccessful so far, but was amazed to see Baptism of quadruplets in August 1831 - Neal, Catherine, Patrick and Francis Toner -children of Neal Toner and Sally Newell. Quads surviving in 1831 - even just as far as baptism - amazes me.!!! One of the sponsors was a Mary McDonnell - as close as I will get looking for my Arthur.!!!
Serious question - My Arthur marries in Glasgow in 1855 stating place of birth is Lough Gelly Armagh - "Loughgilly" is as close as I can find - does anyone with local knowledge know if I am correct or is Lough Gelly somewhere else in Armagh?
p.s. - anyone interested in the Toner Quads - have the original Bapt. entry if anyone wants a copy - Am I allowed to post it on here?
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Are you sure they are quadruplets?
And not just a "bulk" baptism of 4 children?
There is no mention of Toner family on this website:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_births#Quadruplets_.284.29
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Hi KGarrad,
No, the parish priest has actually written on the side "Quadruplets"... Can I post the original on here, or are there copyright issues re NLI???
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Hi KGarrad,
No, the parish priest has actually written on the side "Quadruplets"... Can I post the original on here, or are there copyright issues re NLI???
Fair enough! ;D
Just post the portion of the register containing the Toner baptisms, and not the whole page.
(I use the Windows Snipping Tool?!)
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Hi Again
Here is the original entry for the Toner Quads
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Repeating my other question - does anyone know if "Lough Gelly Armagh" is the same as parish of "Loughgilly Armagh"????
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Apparently, you're not the first person to find this?! ;D
http://www.ottawavalleyirish.com/tag/toner
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Maggbill, I would say yes that Lough Gelly would probably be Loughgilly Parish, as written by someone unused to the accent.
RosemaryJoan
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Thank you RosemaryJoan
That is what I was thinking - it is amazing how names of people and places vary when apart from the Irish accent, the individuals most likely couldnt' read, write or spell - and the "listener" was maybe a bit more educated, but not always accepting of the "Irish" invasion - so did a Scottish variation! Thanks for your input
Maggs
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Maggbill,Are you looking for someone in Loughgilly? Can we help?
RosemaryJoan
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Hi there,
Thanks KGarrad for the link to the OttawaIrish with the blog about the NLI records/quads... very interesting.
RoseMaryJoan - I am looking for my Great grandfather Arthur Mc Donald, - his marriage record 1855 Glasgow says born Loch Gelly to James and Margaret McDonald. On his death record it names parents as James McDonald and Bridget Toal! - Sure it is the same man, not the first time I have seen conflicting parentage names on Death entries!
Have trawled through the RC baptism NLI records for Loughgilly from 1829 - right through to 1833. "McDonnell" names are there, but not numerous. Thought I had found something with a 15 August 1831 birth of "John of Jas. Mc Donnell and Bidy Toal, spn. John Cowan and Rose Toal"... only time I have found names of James McD and "Bidy" (for Bridget) Toal.... But - hey I want an Arthur - not a John.. and I was more of the feeling that it was a "Margaret" for the mother.. Sorry to be long winded - hope this makes sense - Have gone through the registers at least twice..nothing else.... ?Dead end?
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Sorry of course I meant "Baptism" of a John... not "Birth".
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Maggbill. Have you searched for James and Bidy's marriage. Who registered Arthur's death?
RosemaryJoan
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Hi RoseMaryJoan
Arthur died when he was only 46 years of age - his wife Julia was the informant, and she knew that Arthur's father was "James.. a Ploughman" deceased, and stated his wife Bridget Toal also deceased - so she seemed to be knowledgeable enough about them I suppose... I haven't actually looked for the marriage of James and ?Bridgets. I only know of one sibling of Arthurs - a brother Patrick 7 years younger.. so chance is that the Marriage records might be fruitful - think they are from 1825 to 1844.... will give it a shot and let you know.... Thanks for the idea!
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Hi again RosemaryJOan
Well, have just gone through the Loughgilly marriages - from 1825 to 1844 - Thank God they were generally very readable - much better than many - and I am getting so good at reading them!
Did find the famous Neal Tonner and S. Newell in 1826 marriage!! But only managed to find two James McDonnells' - first in 1833 to a Margaret Mc Gee - and another in in 1842 to a Margaret Bennett....
Not too hopeful eh?
My poor eyes have had enough for tonight.... tomorrow is another day -
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Nil desperandum!
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Hello
I am a McDonnell from Loughgilly. And Arthur who held land there in 1825 is of my family. Son of James and Bidy (Bridget) Toal/Toole. Arthur baptised9th October 1826. I'm just new an RootsChat. A friend showed me this post
Pauline
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Hi there Pauline,
Nice to hear from you. Can you tell me what connection you have to Arthur McDonald? I will have to refresh my memory on my Arthur's details - cos there is one vague conflict on his parentage... but will resurrect exact details and get back to you. Have you actually found the original baptism ? Talk again soon.
Maggie
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Hi All,
If you see any McCormicks in Loughgilly (Lisadian Townland) please let me know! I'm struggling!
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You might be better off starting your own thread for them disclosing what details you know, dates, religion etc....
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No need for a new thread- already one here- (with replies)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806178.msg6649704#msg6649704
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No need for a new thread- already one here- (with replies)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806178.msg6649704#msg6649704
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