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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Stuart273 on Tuesday 23 August 16 18:20 BST (UK)
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Hi all
Looking into a Robert Wellcoat (b1868 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland) who seems to have made his way over to Australia at some point between 1881 and 1893. The Wellcott family appear to have scattered themselves across the globe after their parents died in 1887 - twin girls were sent to Canada, another boy ended up in London and I've still one or two to track down.
However Robert could possibly have married a Emmeline Simpson in 1893 - both are buried in Cheltenham Cemetery SA (him 1952 and her 1946) as is a Robert Philp Wellcoat (d. 1950) and a Cora Isabel Wellcoat (d. 1989). Helen Philp was Robert's mother so I'm guessing that the Robert who died in 1950 could be their son.
Allied to this in the West Terrace Cemetery in Adelaide there are graves for Bridget Agnes Wellcoat (d.1962), Hugh Joseph P Wellcoat (d.1942) and Hugh Joseph Simpson Wellcoat (d.1932). Obviously the latter having a "Simpson" in his name leads me to speculate (I got told off for that once!) that all of these might be related.
Unfortunately I live in London, UK and cannot easily access Australian records so if there is anyone out there who can help verify or disprove my musings I will be most grateful.
Cheers
Stuart
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There are a few references in Trove for family members
For Hugh...1945
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iad/
WELLCOAT— In loving memory of our dear son and brother, Hugh, who died Dec. 31, 1931. late 10th Batn. (Anzac)-Ever remembered by father, mother, and Bob.
His service records are here
WELLCOAT Hugh Joseph Simpson : Service Number - 1058 : Place of Birth - Kensington VIC : Place of Enlistment - Morphettville SA : Next of Kin - (Wife) WELLCOAT E
http://www.rootschat.com/links/index.php
Unfortunately, nothing seems to be opening on this site nor the beta site
https://digital.naa.gov.au/discoverylayer/search/results/main-search
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1950
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iaf/
Cora, wife of Robert Phillip
1952
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iag/
Robert's death....husband of Emily...father of Ada also Hugh and Robert deceased
Just putting in Wellcoat on Trove has loads of results from where you can sift through, Cora's maiden name was Williams which does lead to a marriage in 1935 , was going to go back to the archives but I still can't get in!
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Howzat..parents married 1893 Victoria, Robert Wellcoat and Emmeline Simpson
Ada Olive Wellcoat 1893
Birth place Ke Nh
Hugh Joseph Simpson Wellcoat 1895
SA Birth
Robert Philp Wellcoat 03 Sep 1910
Robert Philp Wellcoat & Emmeline Simpson
SA Deaths
Bridget Agnes Wellcoat
Death 21 Nov 1962
Emmeline Wellcoat Death date 19 Aug 1946
Robert Wellcoat Death date 22 Oct 1952
Picked these out to tally with the newspapers, there are more records there too
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Do you have these 2 links?
https://billiongraves.com/grave/person/4699583#
https://billiongraves.com/grave/person/4676971#
When Robert Phillip marries Cora , Robert Phillip's father is as Robert Phillips
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Willsy, you are a complete star! Thank you very much :)
Now to sift through the info....
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That'll keep you busy!
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Here's marriage announcement for Robert and Cora Williams
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92332055
Birth of a child http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article35591741
Another child http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92496389
Another child http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92412853
here is South Australian BDM - free to search https://www.genealogysa.org.au/
Ros
Here is Victoria BDM - free to search http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/
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Another death notices for Hugh Joseph Simpson WELLCOAT
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article74370113
Memoriam gives wife and children http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47773951
Marriage notice for his sister Ada http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5646222
Ros
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Hi,
Victorian Government Gazette February 1890 page 748.
In a roll of members entitled as Engineers to vote for the election of a member under the provisions of the Marine Board Act 1887 there is, No 473, Wellcoat. R.
Gerry
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Service summary for Hugh Joseph
https://aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=318288
Ros
Death of a son http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article45748130 (aged 18 how sad)
an obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article167772936
Marriage of a daughter http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article130231419
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A Robert Wellcoat, disorderly in Sydney Feb 1890.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230612650?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Emmeline's death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article35710880
Ros
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Robert's birth in Scotland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYBF-MMD
There are many links to researching in Australia at the top of the board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
Victorian BDM's are online as are the South Australian.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
From my resource.
Marriage in Victoria
WELLCOAT Robert born Kirkcaldy Scotland
SIMPSON Emmeline born North Melbourne
1893 Reg#3068
The births were at Kensington Hill part of the suburb of Kensington.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington,_Victoria
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article87798119
The Chronicle 16 Jun 1900
Wollowra, steamer, 2,638 tons, John Rees, from Melbourne June. 5. Passengers— Mesdames R. Wellcoat and 2 children................
Outwards Passengers from Melbourne Index at PROV 1900
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iaj/
Is this your person of interest.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article168231149
The Quiz 2 Oct 1908
R. WELLCOAT
(late Steward, -s.s. Warooka), HAM and BEEF SHOP, PARADE, NORWOOD (opposite Bath Hotel).
Dairy Produce Dealer. Sandwiches a Speciality. Ham, Beef, and Small Goods. Butter and Bacon always Fresh.A Call Solicited.
The SS WAROOKA was built in England arrived in Australia in 1883. It was built for the coastal trade.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article195871533
Port Adelaide News 23 Oct 1883
The s.s. Warooka, tbe new vessel for the Yorke Peninsula Steam Shipping Company has arrived at Albany, and may be expected at Edithburgh on Monday next. We offer our congratulations.
Photo taken at the Edithburgh Jetty in 1900
http://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+1373/39/70
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5646222
The Advertiser 29 Nov 1919
DUNSTONE—WELLCOAT.—On the 28th October, at the home of the bride, Reginald Murray,
fifth son of the late John Dunstone, of Largs Bay, to Ada Olive, only daughter of Mr. and
Robt. Wellcoat, of Russell-street, Alberton.
National Archives of Australia website is still down. Info from another source
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=318288
You can search here for the WELLCOAT burial records
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/Records
I'll have a look at my South Australian electoral rolls when I get a moment.
Cando
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Ada Olive DUNSTONE's death notice - she died in Sydney 14 March 1978
notice in SMH 16 March 1978
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Reginald Murray DUNSTONE death notice. He died Sydney 10 sep 1972. Notice in SMH 11 sep 1972
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Maybe sisters born in Kirkcaldy.
The Dundee Courier and Argus and Northern Warder, Tuesday, 22nd October 1878, page 2.
BIRTHS
At 108 High street, Kirkcaldy, on the 16th inst., the wife of Mr Joseph Wellcoat, cab proprietor, of twin daughters.
A brother.
The Fife Herald, Kinross, Strathearn, and Clackmannan Advertiser, Tuesday, 2nd April 1874, page 3.
BIRTHS
At 108 High street, Kirkcaldy, on the 25th ult., the wife of Mr Joseph Wellcoat, cab proprietor, of a son.
Another sister.
The Fife Herald, Kinross, Strathearn, and Clackmannan Advertiser, Thursday, January 19th 1871, page 3.
BIRTHS
At 108 High street, Kirkcaldy, on the 13th inst., the wife of Mr J. Wellcoat, of a daughter.
Gerry
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I've found a crew member R WELLCOAT, Born Scotland, Pantryman on the SS KONOOWARRA arriving Sydney NSW from Melbourne on 16 Aug 1887.
http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/53456
cando
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Problems with my CD's for the early SA Electoral Rolls :(.
Australian Electoral Roll
SA 1939, 1941 Barker/ Mt Barker
WELLCOAT Emmeline Oak Avenue Bridgewater HD
WELLCOAT Robert Oak Avenue Bridgewater Steward
SA 1939, 1941 Hindmarsh/Port Adelaide
WELLCOAT Cora Isabel 9 Radstock Street, Woodville HD
WELLCOAT Robert Philp 9 Radstock Street, Woodville Mechanic
Cando
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1922 Sands South Australian Directory.
YATALA
Russell St, w. side, right side from Queens St.
Wellcoat, R., chief steward.
Gerry
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Same man. Directories are not always accurate with the information being compiled the year prior to publication. I've found entries for a couple of ancestors in Victoria after they were both deceased.
Yatala is a parish hundred not to be confused with Yatala Vale, a suburb today.
http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?c=5680
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article77695332
Border Watch, Mt Gambier 12 Apr 1921
MARKET REPORTS.
SALE OF BOARDING HOUSE BUSINESS.
DeGaris, Sons, and Co., Ltd. (through their Adelaide Office) report the sale of the boarding house, business, conducted in Narracoorte by Mr F Geo MOORE for a number of years, to Mr R WELLCOAT of Gawler, who takes same over on April 21, 1921.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article89656626
The Chronicle 23 Apr 1921
WELLCOAT'S CLEARING SALE.
Matthews & Co report having conducted a small but successful clearing sale of furniture
on account of Mr. R. Wellcoat at Gawler on Tuesday last, 12th inst. There was a good attendance of buyers present and keen competition was received on all lines submitted.
Cando
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Wow, so much information in such a short space of time. That'll keep me busy for the day so thank you all very much for your contributions and time spent.
Just to avoid any duplication, I kept what I posted originally to just the Australian part, but I'll list here what I know about the family as a whole:
Parents
Joseph Wellcoat (1842-1887) and Helen Philp (1839 - 1887) died within a couple of months of each other in Kirkcaldy, Fife.
Children:
Joseph (1865 -1892) died in Scotland.
Robert (1867 - 1952) - the subject of my enquiry here.
John Philp (1868 -1948) died in Scotland
Helen (b. 1871) - no idea what happened to her yet.
Catherine Philp (1873 - 1873)
William Philp (1874 -1926) died in Scotland
Mary (1876 -1876)
James Armstrong (1877 - 1931) died in Battersea, London
Elizabeth and Janet (Jennie) - twins born 1878, both sent to Canada when they were 13 having been living in an orphanage. Elizabeth died in 1935 in New Hampshire, USA and Janet in 1962 in Brockville, Ontario, Canada.
Seems like the family fell apart on the death of their parents - James Armstrong was an "inmate" in the 1891 census and as stated the twins were living in an orphanage. I've not long started with this branch of the family, hence the need to finalise certain things but hopefully I will find all I need on scotlandspeople for most of the above. Edit, have amended above with findings.
Once more, thanks for all the information given. I'm now going to make myself a coffee and process it :)
Cheers
Stuart
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Wow, so much information in such a short space of time. That'll keep me busy for the day so thank you all very much for your contributions and time spent.
Just to avoid any duplication, I kept what I posted originally to just the Australian part, but I'll list here what I know about the family as a whole:
Parents
Joseph Wellcoat (1842-1887) and Helen Philp (1839 - 1887) died within a couple of months of each other in Kirkcaldy, Fife.
Children:
Joseph (1865 -1892) died in Scotland.
Robert (1867 - 1952) - the subject of my enquiry here.
John Philp (1868 -1948) died in Scotland
Helen (b. 1871) - no idea what happened to her yet.
Catherine Philp (1873 - 1873)
William Philp (1874 -1926) died in Scotland
Mary (1876 -1876)
James Armstrong (1877 - 1931) died in Battersea, London
Elizabeth and Janet (Jennie) - twins born 1878, both sent to Canada when they were 13 having been living in an orphanage. Elizabeth died in 1935 in New Hampshire, USA and Janet in 1962 in Brockville, Ontario, Canada.
Seems like the family fell apart on the death of their parents - James Armstrong was an "inmate" in the 1891 census and as stated the twins were living in an orphanage. I've not long started with this branch of the family, hence the need to finalise certain things but hopefully I will find all I need on scotlandspeople for most of the above. Edit, have amended above with findings.
Once more, thanks for all the information given. I'm now going to make myself a coffee and process it :)
Cheers
Stuart
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I am related to the Wellcoat family mentioned and am interested in where you fit into the family tree. I live in Australia and am keen to gather and share info
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Wow, so much information in such a short space of time. That'll keep me busy for the day so thank you all very much for your contributions and time spent.
Just to avoid any duplication, I kept what I posted originally to just the Australian part, but I'll list here what I know about the family as a whole:
Parents
Joseph Wellcoat (1842-1887) and Helen Philp (1839 - 1887) died within a couple of months of each other in Kirkcaldy, Fife.
Children:
Joseph (1865 -1892) died in Scotland.
Robert (1867 - 1952) - the subject of my enquiry here.
John Philp (1868 -1948) died in Scotland
Helen (b. 1871) - no idea what happened to her yet.
Catherine Philp (1873 - 1873)
William Philp (1874 -1926) died in Scotland
Mary (1876 -1876)
James Armstrong (1877 - 1931) died in Battersea, London
Elizabeth and Janet (Jennie) - twins born 1878, both sent to Canada when they were 13 having been living in an orphanage. Elizabeth died in 1935 in New Hampshire, USA and Janet in 1962 in Brockville, Ontario, Canada.
Seems like the family fell apart on the death of their parents - James Armstrong was an "inmate" in the 1891 census and as stated the twins were living in an orphanage. I've not long started with this branch of the family, hence the need to finalise certain things but hopefully I will find all I need on scotlandspeople for most of the above. Edit, have amended above with findings.
Once more, thanks for all the information given. I'm now going to make myself a coffee and process it :)
Cheers
Stuart
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I am related to the Wellcoat family via my mother.
The following are the names of Wellcoat's living in SA that I am aware of
Joseph Wellcoat born 1842 Auchtermuchty, Fife, Scotland married Mary Philp born 1836 same place as husband.
There son Robert born 1867 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland married Emmeline Simpson born 1870 Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
There son Robert born 1910 Exeter, Adelaide, South Australia married Cora Isabel Williams born 1911
There children are Barrie born 1938 and Elizabeth 1941.
I have an extensive Wellcoat tree and are happy to share other information. Where do you fit into the family?
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Hi there.
Thanks for the information. I did send you a personal message earlier on in the year but in case you didn't get it....
Ok, so in a nutshell:
Back in the 1800s the "original" Wellcoat (Joseph 1842-87) married Mary Philp (1839-87). Mary had a brother William (c.1841-1905) who was my 2nd Gt Grandfather. I can bring the Philp line forward for you if you like, and I've also done a lot of research into the Wellcoats, which I'm happy to share.
Cheers
Stuart
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Thanks for the information. Your William Philp married Isabella Smith and I would love any further information you have on the Philp side. My Philp side goes to William 1777 who married Catherine Bell and although I have names I don't have accurate date of births, so anything you can help with would be great. I have a fair bit on the Wellcoat side and am obviously happy to fill in any gaps you may have.
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Hi Stuart, I have gathered an extensive Wellcoat family tree over many years, I see you have had many replies so I can keep this short by inviting you to join The wellcoat Facebook site where you will gain more information, "The descendants of Mary and Joseph Wellcoat"
Gaining information to the Australian war records of Hugh Joseph Simpson Wellcoat is quite enlightening and easy. let me know if I can help you further.
My full family history is on "My Heritage"