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Title: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Monday 12 September 16 20:01 BST (UK)
I would appreciate some assistance in finding any information about my 2nd Great Grandmother, Margaret Presson, born around 1838 in Penbryn, Cardiganshire, Wales according to various Census. She married William Evans around 1859 and I have found both William and Margaret in the Wales Census from 1861 through to 1911. However I have been unable to locate a record of their marriage, or the birth of either Margaret or William. According to the census, William was born about 1834 in Llangranog, Cardiganshire. It would also be helpful if I couldfind them on the 1841 and 1851 Census.
Thanks in anticipation.
Cherryl
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: JJen on Monday 12 September 16 20:21 BST (UK)
Hi Cherryl,

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Is the name Presson on a birth cert of one of William and Margaret's children?

Just wondering if the surname could be Preston.

JJ
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: osprey on Monday 12 September 16 23:23 BST (UK)
possible in 1851
Morfa Cannol, Penbryn HO107/2482 folio 487 pg 30
Evan Howell head single 41 farmer of 165 acres employing 4 labourers b. Penbryn
Mary Ann Howell sister 32 b. Penbryn
Susan Morgans 40 house maid b. Llanbadarn
Mary James 24 farm servant b. Penbryn
Lewis Evans 21 farm labourer b. Blaenporth
William Evans 18 farm labourer b. Llangranog
Anne Evans 14 general servant b. Penbryn
+ 4  lodgers all 'vagrants'  b. Ireland

1841 Cefn Court, Llangranog HO107/1375/26 folio 19 pg 6
Evan Evans 35 farmer
Mary 35
Elizabeth 14
David 13?
John 10
William 7
Evan 5
Thomas 2

possible baptism William Evans son of Evan & Mary 30 Nov 1833 in Llangrannog
& marriage of parents in Llangrannog
Evan Evans of Llandissiliogogo & Mary Rees of Llangrannog 24 April 1827
both from FreeReg
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: osprey on Monday 12 September 16 23:58 BST (UK)
different 1851 at home
Cefn Cwrt, Llangranog HO107/282 folio 518 pg 20
Evan Evabs head 48 farmer of 110 acres employing 2 labs b. Llandysilio
Mary wife 49
Elizabeth dau 23
John son 20
William son 17
Evan son 14
Thomas son 12
Mary dau 6
Mary Jones servant 19 b. Troedyraur
Elias Jones servant 13
all born Llangranog except where noted

If William & Margaret married locally, it should have registered as Newcastle Emlyn. There's a page on FreeBmd with 2 brides & only one groom in dec qtr 1858, one bride being Margaret Harries, but no missing William Evans that I can see as yet.

 :-\
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Tuesday 13 September 16 20:52 BST (UK)
Hi J Jen
Thanks for your email. I have had a quick look through my source material and cannot find anything at this stage to substantiate the Presson surname, only what I heard from my mother many years ago. I am currently away from home and when I return at the end of this month, plan on ordering a number of certificates in the hope of confirming (or otherwise) Margaret's maiden name. In the menatime, I will follow up on the suggestions regarding Evans from Osprey.
Kind regards
Cherryl
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Tuesday 13 September 16 21:27 BST (UK)
Thanks so much, Osprey, for the comprehensive information. It will certainly keep me busy for a while. As you will see from my email to J Jen above, I need to do some more investigating to verify the maiden name of Margaret Evans. Any suggestions in this regard would be very welcome.
Kind regards
Cherryl
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 13 September 16 21:45 BST (UK)
I hve been digging around on welsh newspapers online to see if that would help. Not so far for a marriage, but by searching for Tredwr, llangranog, their address in 1861, I;ve come across a few interesting articles in welsh which suggest William Evans and family were thrown off by their landlord Cadben Jordan, c1869, for not voting as he would wish in an election

this might explain his occupation in 1871 - "formerly a farmer"
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 13 September 16 21:48 BST (UK)
I was just checking for any baptisms for the children of William & Margaret, but nothing showing even though Llangranog baptisms are on one of the main sites.

If you're going to order a birth cert, your best bet would be to go for one of the children with a less common name first name as Evans is not unusual in the area or where you can be more sure of their age. So, on the 1871 census there's a Sarah M who is 5 months old, this registration more than likely

Sarah Miriam Evans dec qtr 1870 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 21
or
David Elias Evans sept qtr 1868 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 20
or
William Owen Evans march qtr 1872 Newcastle Emlyn vol 11b pg 32

I don't know where in the world you are. If you're ordering from outside the UK, order from the GRO as they're the cheapest anyway & there's no charge for postage,
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You can order direct from the registrars in Cardigan, but they may need SAEs.
Hope this helps and post on this thread when you find out her maiden name if you need help to find the marriage registration.

Mabel, that could explain why he moved to Llangoedmore to farm & in a later census was the man from the Pru!

 :o
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 13 September 16 21:51 BST (UK)
Have found an english article - hopefully this link works. The mention is in this report of a political conference - see about halfway down the second column

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4583331/4583341/57/Yredwr
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Tuesday 13 September 16 23:23 BST (UK)
Thanks Mabel for that information - I would never have found that myself as I do not understand Welsh. I am creating a photo book using my parents photo collection and plan on incorporating family tree information and contemporary stories to make it more interesting.  Your comments certainly bring the data to life.
Kind regards
Cherryl
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Tuesday 13 September 16 23:26 BST (UK)
Thanks for the advice, Osprey, I will definitely take that into account. Regarding mylocation, I am currentlyin Cape Town but willbe returning home to Australiain a couple of weeks. A long way from Cardiganshire unfortunately :)
Kind regards
Cherryl
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 14 September 16 11:05 BST (UK)
I won't suggest a quick visit to the archives or NLW then!

 :D
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Tuesday 22 November 16 13:13 GMT (UK)
I am finally back to researching my Evans ancestors and am reasonably confident that I have the marriage certificate for my maternal grandmother's parents on 29 May 1884 at the Capel Mair Chapel in Cardigan. They were William Griffiths (23), a Farmer born in Tifosyficier? Manordivy and Mary Anne Evans (23) born in what looks like Penrallt Eifed Llangoedmore. I am trying to find Mary Anne's birth certificate (I am still not certain of her mother's maiden name but probably Jones) and have found two possibles. One in Cardigan and another in Newcastle in Emlyn, which was mentioned earlier in this thread. I have already obtained the birth certificate for Cardigan (ordered before the previous discussions) but as the father is described as a Police Officer, think this is unlikely to be the correct Mary Anne Evans. Before I invest another 6 pounds with the GRO, I am hoping that someone can confirm or otherwise where a birth in Penrallt Eifed Llangoedmore would be registered.

Thanks in anticipation.
Cherryl
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Tuesday 22 November 16 13:35 GMT (UK)
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/cardigan.html

It appears to be Cardigan.

Click on list at top of page to view other registration districts

Check out the places names in Llangoedmor

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llangoedmor


Cas
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 22 November 16 19:41 GMT (UK)
I've done a welsh newspaper search for Penrallt Eifed which has brought up the report of the death and burial of Evan Evans aged 21, reported on 4 July 1884. He drowned in the River Teifi on June 18. He was buried in Capel y Wig (suggestion is this was the family burial location) and mentions he was a full member of the Capel Isaf independent church in Llechryd, where his father was a deacon. sadly no other helpful family background

The 1881 census confirms Penrallt Eifed as William and Margaret's family home, but also suggests both Evan and Mary Ann were born in Llangrannog. I note you've said "born in..." from their  marriage cert, but in the UK this records their parish of residence not place of birth, so looking for Mary born in the LLangoedmore area would be a mistake, I think..

Llangrannog comes under Newcastle in Emlyn - unfortunately there are quite a few Mary Evanses and Evan Evanses born in that period, and the new GRO indexes have quite a few with mother's maiden name Jones
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 22 November 16 19:51 GMT (UK)
Have found a notice for the marriage. William Griffiths lived in Fos-y-vicar

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3131269/3131279/31/eifed%20AND%20llechryd
Title: Re: Searching for PRESSON and EVANS Families pre 1861
Post by: OnTheRoad on Wednesday 23 November 16 03:14 GMT (UK)
Thank you Mabel and Cas for your assistance again. I will follow up on the information and suggestions. I have also used Google to translate the Welsh marriage notice - isn't today's technology wonderful? So many accessible resources - the problem is my brain goes into melt down every now and then and I forget what I was looking for ::)